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A. Harlow (7 replies)
For the purposes of this thought experiment, let's assume that consciousness is an emergent property of our brains and sensory organs. When you plus our senses into a processor, consciousness is created. This is broken down into the formula : inputs + processing = consciousness (i + p = c)
Now, if you were to create a clone of yourself with exactly the same memories and physical properties as you in that moment in time, then your consciousness should also be duplicated. However, it stands to reason that you and the clone would not have a shared consciousness. The obvious reason why is that the formula has been broken. Despite the clone sharing your sensory organs, memories and brain chemistry, the real world input is different. "i" for the clone is different, causing "c" to change too. As the clone stands looking at you, all of its sensory inputs are mismatched to yours. But, what if the sensory inputs were matched? If the clone emerged in exactly the same space and time as you, would you both share a consciousness?
The end result of this may seem pointless as no matter where or when the clone is positioned, it's sensory inputs will never match the original you. Unless the clone exists in a parallel universe. If the clone and you exist in two separate but identical universes, only then will the inputs and processing both match. Meaning that if this equation is assumed to be true, the consciousness of the two entities would be shared. Of course if the parallel universe altered from the original, then it's fair to say that the shared consciousness will split as well.
If parallel universes do exist, this logic asserts that a shared consciousness between universes is at least logically
Possible
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>>13444954 *can't functionally interact with them
is what I meantHXPTS
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>>13444892 Mass>light>consciousness
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>>13444892 you are the shared consciousness of your neurons
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>>13444892 Have had this exact same idea as well. The question is whether two true clone consciousnesses are really one consciousness expressed in two places, or just two separate but identical consciousnesses.
Also, the parallel universe can be altered from the original without splitting the consciousness as long as sensory input remains the same. For example, your consciousness could be shared over two universes, one of which has, say, a rock in Alaska where the other does not, so long as you remain unaware of it. This also leads the the interesting question of what happens to your consciousness when you DO become aware of the rock.
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>>13444892 >shared consciousness Not possible. Regardless of what the mysterious subjective aspect of consciousness is, the fact is that memories are physical structures in the brain. For me to be conscious in two places would mean my neurons are recieving information through some magical dualist substance.
Anonymous (34 replies)
Theory:
M x 0 = M
M/0 = M
7 x 0 = 7
7/0 = 7
I don’t believe you are performing a valid operation when you multiply by zero. After all, aren’t we just taking “7” and not multiplying it at all?
If so 7 x 0 = 7
When we divide by 0, aren’t we just dividing something zero times?
If so 7/0 = 7
Pretend the line segment below is 15cm long.
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What happens when we divide it Zero times? Well the line segment is 15.
There is a multiplicative inverse of “Zero” shown in the OP picture. There is a multiplicative inverse of “Zero”. The multiplicative inverse of “Zero” equals 1 given these parameters.
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>>13447116 anon please study rings and fields before saying shit like this
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>>13447116 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory Ffs what is it with you midwit high school students? Go read an abstract algebra book.
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This is stupid because by your logic, 7/1 = 3.5 because we're dividing seven one time. You're just assigning 2 -> 1 & 1 -> 0.
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>>13447116 If you you find yourself wanting to divide by zero, you might want to try expanding your mathematical structure.
You are likely working in a quotient space that was obtained by quotienting out a subgroup/ideal.
If you can undo the quotient, you can recover some structure from zero.
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>>13447116 Anon you do know meds exist for schizos... wtf are you on about
Anonymous (18 replies)
Are plastics partly responsible for rise of autoimmune diseases?
I have Crohn's and am planning to go for a diet without preservatives, so should I look for food without plastic packaging as well?
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>>13448173 >Are plastics partly responsible for rise of autoimmune diseases? The problem is children no longer live in filth and contract parasite infections that cause the immune system to tune itself down during ontogeny.
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>>13448173 no. autoimmune diseases are the result of a zinc deficiency.
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>>13450753 This is just a hypothesis I have. I think it's why a people claim carnivore diets fix autoimmune issues, I think they are just ameliorating a zinc deficiency and possibly other nutrients as well. I've noticed that many people who develop autoimmune diseases have had restrictive diets (like they are models who try to stay skinny or ex-vegans) that would make one prone to zinc deficiency. Also zinc deficiency is very common generally. I think some vegans are at specific risk because of phytates, but it's definitely possible to be vegan without developing a deficiency.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/anti-nutrients/ Zinc is also very important in regulating the immune system. Here's some links you fags can read:
https://www.nature.com/articles/1601479.pdf?origin=ppub https://www.bbc.com/news/health-21372790 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1568997214002808 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9701160/#:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20zinc,neutrophils%20and%20natural%20killer%20cells .
Read the BBC link especially. Has obvious connections to autoimmune shit.
Also people with autoimmune diseases like scleroderma have zinc deficiency and other deficiencies related to zinc deficiency:
https://www.healio.com/news/rheumatology/20151130/micronutrient-deficiency-may-be-common-among-patients-with-systemic-sclerosis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6115799/ https://acrabstracts.org/abstract/deficiency-in-micronutrients-is-a-frequent-burden-in-patients-with-systemic-sclerosis/ Notice in those studies that selenium and folate deficiency are also common. Both selenium and folate absorption is dependent on zinc.
https://www.nature.com/articles/1602844 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2746373/ You fags can dig through that if u want. Obviously this is all some internet autist's autistic idea, but if this info resonates with any autoimmune fags out there you should get blood zinc levels checked and post on /sci/ about it.
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>>13450904 Also, more directly related to Crohn's and IBD, I know a lot of you say meme diets don't work, but maybe look into the Specific Carbohydrate Diet
https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/service/inflammatory-bowel-disease/services/ibd-nutritional-therapy ?
This is just an anecdote, but this chick says it fixed her shit:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9qH077QmIdExV7lxy72aHQ
Anonymous (9 replies)
/sci/, I need to know what the optimal time is to take frozen milk out of the freezer, so I can start drinking it exactly when it finishes thawing.
1 kg of frozen milk at -18c is put into a +4c fridge. How long does it take before it thaws?
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>>13450755 I've never heard of that either. Does it not change the flavor?
Anonymous
>>13450786 >>13450797 I've been doing it for a while, tastes just as good as non-frozen milk. It works better the less fat is in it, and it helps to shake violently when it's almost done thawing. Useful if you're not shopping very often.
Anonymous
>>13450805 I can't imagine it tasting good. Few articles I found say that milk doesn't last longer than month in the freezer and that it is not drinkable (taste) after frozen.
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>>13450728 Why not just cool it to just abbove freezijg point.
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>>13450841 Nonsense. If it's pasteurized milk it will last at least 3 months. The fat part of the milk thaws first, so if you drink it before it's completely thawed then it will taste weird. Sometimes you get unlucky and it separates more, but the times I've done it it's been fine. Once thawed you should drink it within 2-3 days though.
Anonymous (5 replies)
Suppose for the sake of conjecture that anon is a time traveler. He travels back in time to the 60s and starts making bets-- horse races, boxing matches, etc., with perfect knowledge of the outcome every time. To avoid suspicion, anon makes a wrong bet every now and then, whenever he feels like it.
Looking at the distribution of his total history of betting, how can /sci/ calculate the likelihood of anon being a time traveler?
If the question is ill-posed, how can a sketch of this situation be phrased into a mathematically interesting way?
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>>13447712 I feel like they'd kill that guy pretty early on into the whole thing. The only way to not get killed would be to lose most bets and only win every once in a while to slowly come out ahead on profit.
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>>13447712 Well, statistically speaking theres only so many low likelihood events which can happen before the person who would experience them is never born.
I'll rephrase it in a different way, suppose there are X genes that increase intelligence in a population, but all of them exist at a frequency of 1%. However, if you inherit all of them homozygously you become a genius, how big does X need to be before a genius will never be born in human history? Let's say 300 billion humans have ever lived, and your probability of being a homozygote for one gene is 1 in 100x100 so 10k.
Already when X = 3 the chance someone is a genius becomes impossible, assuming randomness in inheritance and mating that is. So to answer your question, yes, we would just need to look at the probabilities in a similar fashion to root out the time traveler.
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>>13447712 Just make one very large bet on a very unlikely event and no one will suspect you.
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>>13447712 Travel around, at that time they didn't get the connection between the events.
Anonymous (5 replies)
I know you guys are Physics fags but is there an equation for when I can expect a certain star to be in my field of view in the night sky? That or a wine or cosine equation for the rising of the Sun above the eastern horizon.
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>>13450649 yes, there are such equations
>wine or cosine equation why should take the path of the sun such a form?
Anonymous (29 replies)
what can we expect from the lambda variant when it arrives?
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>>13446840 SOMEBODY EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS FUNNY IM RETARDED AND WANT TO BE IN ON THE FUNNY
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>>13446833 I already got my lambda variant vaccine on the black market. get fucked, plebs.
https://rumble.com/vhb537-i-remember-wen.html
Anonymous (6 replies)
What is identity? It appears as though it is determined by your surroundings, and that it is not something you choose. I think of dissociative hallucinations as being hallucinations of identity. They occur when what you perceive as being your identity doesn't reflect reality. The scariest dissociative hallucinations I've had were when I believed my position was at an infinitely distant point away from what I was looking at. I perceived myself as being someplace at the other edge of the universe, and just looking at the stuff in front of me. I perceived everything I saw in front of me as being infinitely far away, while still maintaining cognizance of the distances between the objects I saw.
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>>13450175 When I was 18, I found a joint on the street, and I impulsively (OCD) decided to smoke it. That's when I had those weird hallucinations.
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>>13450204 I know how to spot homosexual scum.
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>>13450092 If you are talking about using dissociative anesthetics to induce hallucinations I can kind of get what you mean, but I don't really think you are using the term Identity clearly.
The other day I was using a disso (methoxphenidine) and the physical effects of numbing your body has pretty significant effects especially when you are not moving and eyes shut. Your brain constantly tries to have a sense of the relative positions of your body parts and it feeds that into your consciousness so you just "know" where they are at all times. Then using your vision you generate a 3d? model of the your environment and place yourself within it. When your physical senses start to numb this process just doesn't work and trying to map yourself to any environment doesn't make any sense. You close your eyes and your eyelids are infinitely large, your torso doesn't exist, arms are stretch across the entire earth, and you feel like you are flying through space.
It is impossible to map yourself to any environment and you might think your brain only works by mapping things in relation to others things. If you cant map yourself to an environment the idea of your identity breaks down. but is it gone? I don't think so. There is still thoughts coming from your mind and you are still experienced sensation (however from within). This action of sensation has to happen to someone so there must still be a "you" under the hood.
There is a sense of ego death when using disso's so this is probably it, but i don't think its real ego death. Your ego just manifests itself as something you are not use to it manifesting as. I can definitely see what you mean tho. The medium that you use to generate your sense of self is gone, but you really don't need a medium for it. Since you can experience it directly. In its purist form. That is why holing can be considered "introspective"
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>>13450430 If your ego gives you your sense of position, then wouldn't this imply that even insects have egos, or are their brains so simple, they don't even have to determine position?
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I think there might be some relationship between how large this mapping of your environment is and your sense of self. The size of your map is greatly determined by long and short term memory. Its not just positionally either. The state of your being compared the state of the people around you and the world in general. Its a much more abstract higher dimensional map that also includes your physical position in the environment. For an ant I'm sure they have some circuits for generating a physical sense of the world, but the state of there being is much more simple. The map in their mind has fewer dimensions and these dimensions span a far smaller magnitude than ours. Another thing they can use is chemical breadcrumbs that help them navigate to where they need to be like a compass. The map is your ego (memories), but the compass is something a little different. Some of your compass is printed out on your map and some of it is just your base instincts. This compass can kind of be thought of as cognition or intelligence. The map and compass is interlinked. An ants compass is simpler and more rudimentary, but it gets the job done for what the ant needs. Our compass is so complex that it controls are map and are map is so complex that it controls our compass. They both dance together.
Eventhorizon !ScX9e2LWA6 (56 replies)
Our black hole theory is wrong.
Take any transformation of the Schwarzchild metric. Substitute the event horizon coordinate 2GM. If the coordinate system contains a variation of the term (1 - r/2GM) as a multiplier or denominator the coordinates collapse.
This is true for both Kruskal Sezekeres and Eddington Finkelstein.
Singularities mean that geodesics cannot pass the coordinates and since the event horizon is a singularity of time, timelike geodesics (world lines) must terminate above the event horizon.
I conjecture that when this change is made, physicists will discover the workings of asymptotic Darkness, dark matter, galactic formation, and the big bang as well as a mathematical unification of physics through string theory.
In any event, it's fun to know that disproving black hole theory is something you can do at home.
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How much more of a case do I have to make?
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>>13445178 >After about ten years of just poking holes I arrived at the conclusions that black hole interiors are gravitationally repulsive, that massive particles cannot cross event horizons, that black holes are not hairless, in fact they are hair balls composed of asymptotic darkness, that asymptotic darkness can form wormholes between distant black holes, and that before the big bang the entire universe was asymptotic darkness. makes sense to me. just need to calmly refute the objections and your theory will gain momentum. science is cool that way
Eventhorizon !ScX9e2LWA6
>>13448324 Ok, well, the metric is singular at the event horizon thus no transformations satisfy coordinations of particles onto 2GM, every analogy of falling through the event horizon is flawed, all null geodesics converge at the horizon, making it a lightlike surface, the Kretchman scalar should have no problem with a lightlike surface, the interior has more volume than a flat space two sphere of the same volume, meaning that the curved space inside should be negatively curved, our current big bang model collapses into a singularity and this model would not permit that.
I've got a big package to deliver here, and somebody just had to open it up.
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>>13448771 >a flat space two sphere of the same radius* Eventhorizon !ScX9e2LWA6
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>>13442245 This is really hilarious because they argue an entire position and then confirm that the metric that could prove it does not exist, then demands that I present it, when I don't even endorse it.
No. A metric that includes the event horizon singularity as anything but a light like null surface does not exist. That's what I'm proposing not what I intend to disprove.
Anonymous (81 replies)
What steps could a state do to make a nuclear war winnable with less than 95% casualties and conquering the opposing side?
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>>13433112 Multiple 100 kw lasers in orbit
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>>13433112 Put lead in the water supply to increase radiation durabilty among the populace.
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>>13447243 >will collapse and/or be occupied by the countries strong enough to participate in the war. Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, and maybe Egypt will be casualties of this. > But I expect France and Turkey to come out ahead no matter what. France will increase its control over Africa, and Turkey will gobble up the many failed states of the middle east. Hey i remember that happening in some manner 100 years ago. Funny.
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>>13433517 Yes, of course.
It won't though because they're too jewish to spend the necessary resources on it. It's not "worth" it.
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>>13438104 >>13438080 ill spare myself quoting the other people in this thread who are mostly retards who prolly think the americans stole the nukes from the germans or something else equally retarded, but:
Leo Szilard wrote a science fiction piece about something like this, mostly intended as a proof of concept and citizens education, where he took the twist of the latter posts and inverted it once atop by declaring those underground cities as soviet american cultural exchance programs that you get integrated into through a lottery so that these sheltered communities, directly underneath vital spots in the countries infrastructure, not able to withstand annihilation could serve as hostage loads.
if i ramble or am even incoherent idgaf suck my balls i wont proofread on thi garbage board.
btw this topic is /lit/ not /sci/