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Anonymous (228 replies)
Can robots theoretically be conscious?
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>>13760606 Bumping the thread with funnyposting? Very cultured.
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>>13758824 I have done quite some introspection regarding this matter, and contrary to you I am not as opposed to or weirded out by the idea of materially explainable consciousness as I once was. So that leaves the two of us with quite opposed viewpoints based on examining our own consciousness. Now what? Have you any arguments?
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>>13732019 IMO, conciousness is the ability to learn from your environment and to truly interact with the things in said environment. Although it isn't a boolean value, and is more of a scale.
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>>13760710 A bit of introspection isn't going to do much. Consider the literal hundreds of millions of years of evolution which have tuned the brain to have certain perspectives. If you were closer to just sheer being you wouldn't be able to survive. As such I really think drugs are necessary, because you need to literally fuck your brain's in-built processing.
In even fish, the brain is already taking information and imposing interpretation on it. Even a fish sees for example food and not-food.
There is an assumption made that more processing = more sobriety. Actually the more processing a brain does the further it gets from the supposed raw data being fed into it. If you want to experience reality exactly as is, you want to experience as close to the raw data as you possibly can... So drugs... The venom of Bufo Alvarius seems to basically destroy vital areas of the brain and stop it from functioning temporarily, ehile memory function continues. Very useful.
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There is this silly schizo over at /x/ talking about 'consciousness teleportation', reverse engineering of the mind and all.
Can someone btfo this guy and give an argument as to why this wouldn't work, ever. Not even in the far future?
>You are informed that breakthroughs in mindmapping and the understanding of human consciousness has allowed scientists to effectively send humans back in time through triggering 'savestates' in the human mind.
>You will retain all memories between the point you are teleported back to and the point you teleport back from. You will therefore effectively be 'overwriting' the consciousness of the earlier point in time with your current one, while inhabiting that same physical vessel and continuing life onward from that point in time.
>If you're still struggling to picture what I'm detailing. Imagine reloading a save in a video game from 3 hours ago. You still remember everything you experienced in those 3 hours. But it didn't technically happen in the savestate.
>So what point in time do you teleport back to. What savestate do you choose?
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>>13760776 Thank you for the answer. It's clearer for me now. So the misconception is in their understanding of what conciousness is?
The thing is though there's still a lot of debate on how consciousness comes to be.
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Models_of_consciousness The most two popular ones are global workspace and the information intergration theory right?
>The past body might reject the teleportation of the brain because the body might see it as completely foreign and kill the past brain, effectively killing the body. Yeah you lost me there. The reason why organs get rejected (I just googled it) is because the HLA pattern (The human leukocyte antigen (HLA) system or complex is a complex of genes on chromosome 6 in humans which encode cell-surface proteins responsible for the regulation of the immune system.) doesn't match. I do not know in what extent the differences in the patterns is. But I assume someone's brain one year difference the HLA pattern wouldn't change supported by this: HLA gene and antigen results do not change unless a person has received a hematopoietic stem cell transplant. However, HLA antibody testing and identification may be done periodically and after events, such as a pregnancy, to see if the potential recipient has developed additional HLA antibodies.
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>>13760796 >So the misconception is in their understanding of what conciousness is? Yes. Some people want to believe in a magic soul or some platonic structure hidden inside the body. Some want to believe "the consciousness" is the brain. The reality is, there's no magic soul hidden in the body and there's no platonic "consciousness" structure in the brain. Its all fusion of functions within the body and the external events.
>Yeah you lost me there Teleportation to past self 1 year early may or may not be different. Human body organ isn't a static one, its an ever ongoing series of changes. I'd reckon there's a period where if you transport the brain to far down, it maybe considered very alien to the body. A 1 day old baby's brain is not the same as 90 year old brain, but 90 year old vs 89 year old may be very similar.
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>>13760812 Didn't even consider young child ages. Yeah that's getting very complex, my undersanding of conciousness is that it's computational, it just comes about because of the way the brain is connected. That it's all a matter of having the right wiring so there's nothing that would stop machines from becoming conciousness. But I don't have much proof for that.
the Global workspace theory one (1984) says it's conciousness is a form of information processing. So when one of your sensories is activated that experience goes to some global workspace in your brain and from there it gets send to other points/centrums. This area is probably in our frontal lobes. This worspace is limited though and and can only hold so much information so that explains why ideas or information drift in and out of our conciousness. According to this theory the conciousness processing is limited to a specific network that makes our conscious brain only capable of 'smaller' thoughts while our subconciouss can handle a lot of things all going past eachother.
Then you have IIT, theory from 2004. This basically says that consciousness comes from the interconnectedness of all your neurons working together in a system (very simplified). A network that influences itself, can experience consciousness. That consciousness is actually a spectrum. Everything that connects information, from an ant to the internet is already somewhat conscious. Within our brains this is probably located in our posterior brain lobe area.
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>>13760812 Didn't even consider young child ages. Yeah that's getting very complex, my undersanding of conciousness is that it's computational, it just comes about because of the way the brain is connected. That it's all a matter of having the right wiring so there's nothing that would stop machines from becoming conciousness. But I don't have much proof for that.
the Global workspace theory one (1984) says conciousness is a form of information processing. So when one of your sensories is activated that experience goes to some global workspace in your brain and from there it gets send to other points/centrums. This area is probably in our frontal lobes. This worskpace is limited though and can only hold so much information so that explains why ideas or information drift in and out of our consciousness. According to this theory the consciousness processing is limited to a specific network that makes our conscious brain only capable of 'smaller' thoughts while our subconscious can handle a lot of things all going past eachother.
Then you have IIT, theory from 2004. This basically says that consciousness comes from the interconnectedness of all your neurons working together in a system (very simplified). A network that influences itself, can experience consciousness. That consciousness is actually a spectrum. Everything that connects information, from an ant to the internet is already somewhat conscious. Within our brains, this is probably located in our posterior brain lobe area.
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Did Henry explain why this video is still up?
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>>13762362 It got 3.5M views which means he got paid $15k.
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>>13763330 You're a fucking retard.
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>>13763330 >"you took ten apples from me" >"no I gave you negative ten apples" Idiot.
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>>13762460 >>13762362 it doesn't matter how you order inverse and not inverse operations. It's just a standard that's based on preserving basic arithmetic properties. especially since we write linearly often. preserving information is important.
Not Enoch (5 replies)
Solving the crux problem in defense of infinite precision (reals (cringe) better known as hitomi dependent rationals)
x/0
0 * x/0
x[h x 0] = x * 1 = x
p/q * h = p/0 :: p
this is the loose idea which propagated the rest of my thought; the following:
This makes sense from an integer based parallelism constructed from lain points, that's trivial.
Much less trivial though is is an infinite injection between integers.
forcing infinities to demonstrate particular behavior is the definition is schizophrenia. But I'm going to attempt it anyways. Asuka's crux problem (aka best girl's problem) has been one of the hardest things I've ever attempted to even attempt to grasp.
p0-{...}-p1 can represent the idea of [h x 0], and 2 = 1 + 1 = 1++
can be C(p0-{...}-p1, ..., p2) = p0-{...}-p1-{...}-p2
now from the most basic idea of a crux: h - c = a, a < h
c is a special number where subtraction still hold a precise meaning outside the elementary field.
relative to h
|h| > |c|: Asuka crux problem is defined by: |h| > |c1| > |c2| > ... > |cn| > the last unique number.
the biggest issue is that the last unique number part for obvious reasons.
for a crux we must then know that [c x 0] < 1
thus we come to the greatest issue: to have precision must we then lack it?
I will always know of 0.5 or 1/2, but I will never knew anything precise about the crux that makes this true only that there exists such one where [c_j x 0] = 0.5, where j satisfies the statement
which means p0-{...}-p1/2 measures to c_j not h
Anyways, so I highly advise you to refer to rationals as hitomi relative and what were poorly understood as irrationals as hitomi dependent (they're still relative but not all rationals are dependent referring the the precision). I would adjust your definitions of reals, rationals, and irrationals to better fit this. I'll call this "Lucy's Harmony"
This is simply an informal thought of mine in defense of reals.
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>>13762663 >x/0 stopped reading there.
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how do I retain my path? why can't they see my fears? why are they so blind? How can they not fear the creation of the antichrist? How can they sustain their delusion?
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>>13762674 You should read more
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How does man create the idea of love, an image, a poem, a thought—yet man creates this idea from nothingness, for if he knew love then why does he suffer without end? Why does man create man to do as man does? Why does he see himself and ask such questions... ones with horrid answers and more dreadful questions. Man is such a beast when he chases his own tail he is running from it in fear of his life. A mother always births. Man seeks his mother... he misses her warmth... the idea is so sweet. That is certain.
Anonymous (19 replies)
FOR FUCK SAKE I TRY YO LEARN THIS STUPID FUCKING SHIT AND NOBODY CAN GIVE ME A FUCKIGN STRAIGHT ANSWER, IT LITERALLY TAKES ME WEEKS TO SLIGHTLY PROGRESS BECUASE EVERY FUCKING PERSON WHOIS IN ANY AUTHORITY TO TEACH DOESN'T KNOW THEIR OWN FUCKIGN SUBJECT AND IS JUST A "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE" FAGGOT RETARD. WHY IS IT SO HARD? JUST TELL ME WTF IS ACTUALLY GOING ON STOP USING GAY FALSE ANALOGIES AND STOP OVERCOMPLICATING EVERYTHING BECUASE YOU FUCKING RETARDS CANT STOP BEATING YOURSELVES OFF FOR 2 FUCKING MINUTES. I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE I FUCKING GIVE UP FUCK ANYONE WHO TEACHES SCIENCE
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>>13761261 stop critically thinking you crazy cook
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>>13762853 >The next logical question is, "if life, the Universe & everything is so simple then why don't you tell me": OP, I'll tell you but like I said you are probably not going to believe it:
The Universe is a single substance, you, me, atoms, galaxies, all of it. And that substance is best thought of a "perfect fluid". It's liquid like, but without viscosity. The the entire Universe is simple the turbulance flows of a perfect fluid. And it's infinite in depth and scope, and recursive, like a fractal. Atoms are galaxies but they have faster rotation time because momentum is always conserved. The Speed of the Universe is always c, light speed; and that is best thought of as a clock speed, as in computer science. 2nd law of thermodynamics is a lie, because the Universe is not fundamentally a heat system, it's an optimization of positive and negative "fluid" flow. This optimization results in a observed complexity including you and me.
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>>13762923 And OP, seriously, do not tell any "authorities", professors, etc... that you know this. They will lie to you because THEY want to be the authority, not you. It's psychology. But listen and observe and think critically and you will see that everything I said is true.
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>>13762923 >>13762933 Oh, and the last think, OP, is that consciousness simply comes out of this natural optimization. Our brains are too simple to naturally grasp that observation logically comes from suitably optimized information systems, but when you follow the logic it's perfect logic that would be the case.
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>>13761300 this
>>13761305 no you didn't. I don't even know what you think 'science' is or who these people are that you hate
>>13761277 >what do you think ive been doing? I don't think you even know what you're trying to do. I see the a lot of generalize raging. Like are you trying to learn how a plane flies? How pigments absorb light waves? How serotonin affects cognition? Or even how serotonin on a most mirco-scale affects the operation of individual neurons? Or the antagonistic nature of Cortisol and Testosterone on the human body? Or how a superconductor might theoretically work?
What "science" are you trying to learn?
Anonymous (24 replies)
Top kek, I just found out that Bertrand Russell was a poltard conspiracy theorist, as this board would say. And all that, despite also being an accomplished mathematician and philosopher, as well as a anti-war activist and progressive.
Apparently, he skeptical of the whole JFK assassination, which we all know was a CIA/Zionist plot to eliminate JFK for interfering with their plans in Cuba and Vietnam, as well as for trying to prevent Israel from stealing the nuclear material they used to start their nuclear weapons program.
I have always respected Bertrand Russell, but I had no idea he was this based.
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>>13761491 >But the filter that keeps most people from moving up beyond a point in any corporate or government structure is personal, moral integrity. >There's always going to be a guy smart and creative and lucky enough to do the job-- but with less integrity than you. At the very top, only complete psychopaths dominate. That's not how it works in any modern country, not in the US anyway, because the US is not a meritocracy.
A psychopath might climb pretty high, but the tippy top does not select for such people. The elite in the US is like the 'magic community' of Harry Potter, it consists of about a thousand 'special families' that go back to the founding of the country and they keep tight control of all the land and all the property, and trade it with each other. There are only a handful of new additions to this clique in each generation. They only add you to the club if you believe in their aristocratic specialness. The new additions might be ruthless psychopaths, but their children probably won't be.
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>>13761577 Those people you're talking about believe that morals and ethics are ways to control populations of small minds.
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>>13761310 Anon, do you realize that any conspiracy worth its salt will throw in some Satan worship simply because it automatically "delegitimizes" accurate reports of its activity? You shouldn't expect xyz to actually function as a marker of false theories once it's become common knowledge that "conspiracy theories involving xyz are all fake schizo rambling".
Although I will admit they probably haven't figured out any way to turn into lizards. Pure schizo nonsense there.
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Was expecting a based thread shitting all over Bertrand Russell but it was just a trojan horse to introduce people to the Dimona thing. Sad!
Anonymous (10 replies)
>birds are supposedly the last dinosaurs
>they don't have teeth
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>>13762918 People are dinosaurs too.
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>>13762918 >geese >HAVE TEETH Anonymous
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>>13763153 The dinosaurs reign again. 250 million years of chickens, hopefully they wont be made about all of the frying.
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>T-Rex >lays eggs I knew dinosaurs were bullshit the second they tried to push this shit on us
Anonymous (5 replies)
/sci/ is the vaccine real or fake?
wtf are magic beans?
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>>13763060 magic beans is a reference to jack and the bean stalk you culturally illiterate zoomer. Read a fucking book every once in a while.
Everyone thought Jack was dumb and naive for trading his pony for some "magic beans"
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>>13763080 >Everyone thought Jack was dumb and naive for trading his pony for some "magic beans" …but it turned out they were all wrong, which is why it makes no sense to call something magic beans in this context
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>>13763060 There's actual science, and there are bureaucratic pundits telling either more "white lies" (like the mask shit) or outright lies. Whatever the case may be, these pundits lost the trust of the American people and should be summarily fired, but the left (like the right in other ways) prioritizes 'owning' the opposition and feeding the opposition's outrage instead of doing what's necessary.
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>>13763093 If you want to find sense, schizo tweets are not the place to look.
Anonymous (5 replies)
is it just me feeling low IQ ever since i got the vaccine?
it's been almost 4 months after my second dose and i still have this lingering residual brain fog
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le typical polarizing and antagonistic comment
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You were born with a low IQ, but never noticed it, because you were dumb. Then you caught the virus, which is asian, and the chinese genes raised your intelligence temporarily. You started to feel intelligent. Now you fucked up by taking the vaxx, which kills 99.9% of the coronavirus bacteria and 9 out of 10 dentists recommend, so you're dumb again. But this time you know it, because you can remember how it felt to actually be intelligent
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>>13762546 two more shots trust the vaxx
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Anonymous (12 replies)
What is a good parameterized representation of the intersection of these two surfaces?
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>>13762701 cosh = hyperbolic cosine
sinh = hyperbolic sine
how could I mess that up
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>>13762591 It's been ages since I did trig, I did not remember them well no. I did see that identity but I couldn't put 2 and 2 together. Thanks anyway!
I have also found out that this can be accomplished with sec and tan with
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>>13762708 you are either not from here, or you are from here and trying to make us deliberately angry. Your posting style is really terrible and you should go back to lebbit
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>>13762504 Hand tossed pizza?
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