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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 01:50:08 2019 No.108690337 View Reply Original Report

He’s too powerful for the team, they gotta do some serious hand waving

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 01:53:20 No.108690411 Report

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>>108690337
>pretending mcu cares about consistent or logical power levels
nah

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 01:54:48 No.108690444 Report

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>>108690337
I think they’re gonna have Adam Warlock, he could be stronger than Thor

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 01:58:01 No.108690522 Report

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>>108690337

Not really, you could easily write your way around him being overpowered.

>Opening has Thor going ham on their enemies, making Quill jealous and everyone else fall in love with him
>Has to split up from the group somewhere in the third act for some vague reason (i.e. excuse for him to meet up with & befriend Beta Ray Bill)
>Shows up in the third act to Captain Marvel shit

Easy enough.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 01:58:35 No.108690534 Report

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Star lord is half god tho.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 01:59:19 No.108690554 Report

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>>108690337
Thor holds back in the comic.

Why should it be any different here?

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 03:34:36 No.108693039 Report

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>>108690534
He gave that up in Vol. 2

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 03:43:12 No.108693266 Report

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>>108690337
I hope I am wrong but pretty sure they are going to have him in the film for maybe 15 min if we are lucky. They will write him off as going on his own space adventures.

But let's say Gunn doesn't go that route. They could make Drax a big threat like he is or was in the comics. A subtle buff if you will. Groot as an adult is a heavy hitter, and Warlock is as powerful if not more so than Thor. What they need to do is up the ante for the villain. Look at the avengers Captain America is the leader and yet they take on Thanos level threats and bigger often enough.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 03:53:52 No.108693561 Report

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>>108690337
Just come up for a plot reason for siphoning away 90% of his power (and putting it inside a horse alien, so two birds one stone)

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 03:57:12 No.108693650 Report

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>>108690337
I'm sure he'll just run across some asgardians or sif in the opening and decide he should leave the team to go tell any stray asgardians that their new home is earth.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:10:13 No.108694015 Report

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>>108693266
>I hope I am wrong but pretty sure they are going to have him in the film for maybe 15 min if we are lucky. They will write him off as going on his own space adventures.
Isn't the point of having a shared Universe so different heroes can work together?
It also works in the comics and comic Thor is usually stronger amd it works so why not here?

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:11:21 No.108694062 Report

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>>108690337
Hopefully Thor fucks off since he's to big of a character and will take to much focus

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:13:09 No.108694126 Report

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>>108690337

He's going to leave the team by the end and be replaced by Beta Ray Bill

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:14:11 No.108694181 Report

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First third of the film had Thor one snorting everything and a montage of Quill looking pissed off that the adventures are over in five minutes and the crew Love him.

Then BAM, they head to a distress call and Thor gets BTFO by Beta Ray Bill, who steals his powers leaving Thor effectively on par with his depowered Thor 1 state. Could have some cool comedy moments like Thor trying to pry off a door and forgetting he can’t, or losing an arm wrestle to drax

Later turns out Bill is a good guy and needed the closest source of cosmic energy to try and stop insert villain here, but knows he has no chance now so he tries to give it all back to Thor

Thor tells him to hold on to a little, then you have Thor, Bill and the guardians attacking the bad guys

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:16:05 No.108694257 Report

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>>108694015
That's what I said when I brought up Cap America. He is on the avengers team with ultra powerful people but it still works. So Thor can be on the GoTG.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:19:51 No.108694388 Report

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>>108690337
Pretty sure Thor will die in the first 15 minutes of the movie

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:23:17 No.108694509 Report

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>>108690337
I imagine Thor showing up the rest of the Guardians, especially Starlord, will be part of the plot.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:26:45 No.108694623 Report

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>>108690522
Your "easy" solution has a pretty big drawback: it's lazy and would make the Guardians' efforts feel pointless. Easy writing is typically easy because it's not compelling or engaging.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:30:08 No.108694766 Report

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Why not have Thor kidnapped at the beginning and have the guardians needing to rescue him from a clearly vastly more powerful enemy be the main plot?

Raises the stakes high too, since if this dude can kidnap Thor, the guardians are gonna have a hell of a hard time

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:30:30 No.108694778 Report

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>>108694388
this is the worst case scenario for in my opinion.It would suck to see this character we've known for a decade die early in a film just to get the plot rolling

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:31:04 No.108694793 Report

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>>108690337
Maybe the rest of them could get upgrades

Or they could introduce Quasar, Nova, Darkhawk, Adam and other cosmic heavy hitters to keep up with Thor

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:32:03 No.108694827 Report

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>>108690444
They'd better. They only teased it at the end of 2.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:36:20 No.108694958 Report

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Needs a montage of Quill and Thor getting in shape after Adam becomes everyone's hero and flirts with 2014 Gamora.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVY8SbQGW-Y

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:38:00 No.108695004 Report

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>>108690554
Because people are still going to complain about why he couldn't one shot kill every threat.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 04:51:12 No.108695316 Report

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>>108694778
Well as Endgame proved; they can't get it right when they kill people halfway through or at the end of the movie, so let's see what happens when they waste yet another character at the start.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 05:11:56 No.108695941 Report

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>>108694778
Nothing is sacred in MCU. Anyone can be killed off and it does not seem to matter. Plus Thor needs to be taken out to get rid of that last lingering phase one character.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 05:17:02 No.108696121 Report

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>>108695941
>Sacred
I'll rather have them die instead of being consistently revived like a zombie.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 05:17:22 No.108696129 Report

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I want him to get yoinked by Beta Rey Bill in the first five minutes and they have a superfluous yet enjoyable C story.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 05:43:41 No.108696949 Report

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>>108694766
That would upset thprfags. You should never elevate your hero by shitting on another's hero.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 06:31:46 No.108697830 Report

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>>108696121
The answer is to not kill off a character for random shock value

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 06:45:29 No.108698018 Report

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>>108690337
>He’s too powerful for the team, they gotta do some serious hand waving
Three Words. Beta. Ray. Bill.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 06:54:32 No.108698171 Report

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>>108690337
The Guardians are almost as powerful a team without Thor as the Avengers are without Thor.

Strength wise Drax would rival Iron Man and Rocket could probably match him in ranged weaponry, Groot, Nebula and Gamora would out strength Cap. Widow and Clint would take down Star Lord (post Ego's death) and MCU Mantis mind you, but the power gap isn't that wide.

The only thing that makes the Avengers stronger than the Guardians is Hulk. If we look at The Avengers without Thor and The Guardians of the Galaxy WITH Thor, they're actually pretty evenly matched. Unless you bring Wanda, Vision and the others in...

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 07:10:02 No.108698417 Report

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I think they're going to be stupid and pad out the "Beta Ray Bill appears to be a villain" part of his origin. So Bill and Thor are going to spend most of the movie fighting on even terms.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 08:01:34 No.108699299 Report

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>>108690337
>Thor exists the movie to run a quick errand in the first 10 minutes
>Guardians get distracted and leave him there
>post-credits scene, he shows up with a golden arm and Beta Ray Bill
>"GUYS, YOU'LL NEVER GUESS WHAT HAPPENED."
>Thor 4 is just the story of what happened while Guardians 3 was happening

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 08:08:45 No.108699375 Report

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>>108693039
I see no reason he couldn’t get back to that level

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 08:09:11 No.108699382 Report

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>>108690337
DnA run on guardians of the galaxy was always a mix between cosmic heavy hitters and normal people.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 08:43:06 No.108699762 Report

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>>108690337
He's been "too powerful" since the start. His whole purpose is to job.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 08:44:43 No.108699771 Report

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>>108690337
nah, Adam Warlock is gonna shit all over him.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 08:46:05 No.108699779 Report

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>>108694623
I agree but it could clearly be a moment where Thor (and hopefully Beta Ray Bill) can’t defeat bad guy so the OG crew has to stop him at the source and break the McGuffin giving the climax enough moving parts to create a full scene for it

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 08:49:50 No.108699807 Report

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>>108699299
I could actually live with that. except for the golden arm part. that golden arm look he had was fucking terrible.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 09:00:52 No.108699912 Report

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>>108690337
Thor will fight Adam and the Guardians will save Rocket from the High Evolutionary

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 09:49:33 No.108700217 Report

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>>108690337
Not too hard, just need to build the action scenes around everybody's strong suit.
>have Thor, Drax, and Rocket storm the gates of something to draw attention away from the rest of the team infiltrating, almost like that one star wars TOR cinematic about the sack of coruscant
>Have Thor act like a tank, with Mantis maybe using her mind manipulation to keep a big monster's attention on him while everybody else sets up explosives
>Have a straight starship fight, where everybody is frantically repairing damaged systems, Thor spends the entire time acting as a backup generator

or my favorite idea
>if Thor is to be believed and he is the only one that can wield Stormbreaker without it destroying his mind, have him get knocked out early in the fight because Stormbreaker is the only thing that can damage the antagonist. To win the rest of the team has to use Thor's body as a puppet to get hits in with stormbreaker

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 09:58:30 No.108700250 Report

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>>108699375
his power was tied to Ego, they explain it in the movie

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 10:43:35 No.108700476 Report

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>>108700217
>To win the rest of the team has to use Thor's body as a puppet to get hits in with stormbreaker
I'd watch that. Weekend at Thor's, I like that.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 10:45:55 No.108700492 Report

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I just want more Ayesha in some way

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 10:50:50 No.108700517 Report

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>>108694388
That's doubtful. Thor is still pretty well-liked by general audiences and Hemsworth by all evidence both gets along well with the rest of the cast of Guardians and has gone on record to confirm that he's happy to keep playing Thor for the foreseeable future.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 11:14:52 No.108700626 Report

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>>108690337
>first big fight of the film
>everyone looks to Thor to be the muscle
>Thor turns back to them
>"I must go now, my planet needs me"
>*note: Thor died on the way back to his home planet*
There, problem solved, OP

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 11:22:26 No.108700668 Report

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I agree that Thor's existence largely makes Drax and Groot' roles mostly redundant.

So either they drop off Thor at Space McDonald's quite early on?
Or Thor has to be depowered to some extent.

I would like to think that Alternate Gamora will somehow be involved which will take up some time.

Don't know much about cosmic characters so outside of the Sufer or Galactus, etc, I'm not sure what they'll be up against.
Quill being the son of the Emperor of Spartax or whatever is obviously not a thing anymore. Thanos is gone so Drax's opinion of the matter should at least be addressed.

I'm really not sure. But at least based director dude is back. So it should be a mostly fun ride.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 11:23:28 No.108700674 Report

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I just don't want Chris Hemsworth to act like a retard for another 2 full hours. He's being that so much in the last few years.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Jul 2019 15:28:42 No.108702489 Report

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He won't be that big of a part

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