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Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 04:37:24 2022 No.14411942 View Reply Original Report

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I'm convinced that the self is the most mysterious thing about the universe.
Like, I've done research and studied this, but what confines a person to a specific bodily unit in a specific time?
There really are no good answers.

If I asked /x/, they could probably give me answers, but probably not the ones I'd be looking for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 04:40:34 No.14411949 Report

Quoted By: >>14411964

i think it's interesting how we are constantly changing but maintain a sense of self over time.

it's like consciousness traces out a line in spacetime like a particle following a trajectory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 04:42:03 No.14411952 Report

Quoted By: >>14411964 >>14415871

It's the same as a moving bacteria, electrochemical impulse. Stop nonsensical woo about some outside observer

bodhi

bodhi Wed 20 Apr 2022 04:45:02 No.14411955 Report

Quoted By: >>14414024

>>14411942
>but what confines a person to a specific bodily unit in a specific time
karma, done /thread

next

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 04:51:11 No.14411964 Report

Quoted By: >>14411973 >>14414027 >>14414599

>>14411952
Its not an outside observer. Its an observer that permeates the totality of everything, including you.
>>14411949
The self that was you as a child is as alien to your present self as a completely different person. This is the reason why I am so convinced that the present self is everywhere, in all bodies (and non-bodies) and at all times, all at once. Time is not real
https://phys.org/news/2022-04-physicists-philosophers.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 04:51:26 No.14411965 Report

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>>14411942
It could be that the specific body unit is the cause of the 'person', or else there's a different cause we can't see.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 04:53:02 No.14411973 Report

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>>14411964
This sounds close to solipsism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 04:57:08 No.14411982 Report

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>>14411973
Its panpsychism. Christoph Koch (possibly the most renowned neuroscientist) subscribes to it. The more you read about it, the clearer it becomes. I was originally a skeptic, too. Now I see that I was just naive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 05:49:54 No.14412066 Report

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>>14411982
That is just a type of solipsism with a different flavor of woo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 06:13:29 No.14412119 Report

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>>14411982
the most renowned neuroscientist is a monkey compared to any talmid chacham

bodhi

bodhi Wed 20 Apr 2022 06:29:56 No.14412158 Report

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>>14412119
nah the hebes butchered the mysteries to near unrecognizable. Just small time plagiarists and frauds. The ORIGINAL scriptures, the Vedas say very distinctly to leave people alone who do not understand or possess the faculties to understand this >>14411982 as we are all on a separate path God set us on for his reasons. People will see the signs when God shows them the signs, never before. If he hasnt showed you yet it is because you arent meant to be shown yet. Jews are always trying to force their bullshit on other people. Not just you however, all Abrahamists do it, you are adharmic. You cant "save" anyone else. Everyone has to do their own great work if they want to leave this purgatory to level up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 06:57:48 No.14412212 Report

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>>14411942
Are you Bangladeshi?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 07:44:22 No.14412262 Report

Quoted By: >>14414051 >>14415829

>>14411942
>I'm convinced that the self is the most mysterious thing about the universe.
You're easily convinced.
the 'self' is just a mental representation fundamentally no different from the mental representations of other people of other groups of people and also 'frames' that contain concepts of both animate and inanimate objects, like how you probably have a frame for what you label 'car' which is comprised of sub-frames for 'SUV' and 'Hatchback'.
I can't think of any reason why anyone would pretend that there is something deep or mysterious about this apart from their lives are so fucking empty that they relish the attempt to be pretentious and wholly vacuous on a fucking mongolian shadow puppets forum.
> I've done research and studied this, but what confines a person to a specific bodily unit in a specific time?
I don't understand the question "what confines this car to this parking spot for this particular time?" That questioning makes no sense to me. I think your question is flawed.
>There really are no good answers.
Judging by the quality of your questions, I think the problem isn't the answers, it's your questioning is looking for pretentiousness.
>>14411965
this

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Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 18:24:37 No.14413551 Report

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>>14411942
Buddha said it dont real

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 18:48:16 No.14413626 Report

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>>14411942
>but what confines a person to a specific bodily unit in a specific time?
Reality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 22:10:52 No.14414024 Report

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>>14411955
Why are you even on this board, retard

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Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 22:13:18 No.14414027 Report

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>>14411964
>time is not real
You understood

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 22:16:15 No.14414031 Report

Quoted By: >>14414043 >>14414636

The complex structure and activity of neurons that exist in the neurons and not in the space outsiide your skull. Everyone wants to entertain the mystical but no one wants to acknowledge logistics.

Logistics is the key to understanding the universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 22:23:45 No.14414043 Report

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>>14414031
Continued and elaborated.

The smallest difference in a particle's position is enough to result in wildly different outcome in the future. How many unfathomable degrees of difference exist between even different molecules at any point in time, let alone the difference between a brain and the surrounding air/water/ground. And within this infinity we think to ask "Why is this not also other stuff".

Logistical materialism is the only correct worldview. Subjectivities are unique Objectivities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 22:29:53 No.14414047 Report

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>>14411942
>but what confines a person to a specific bodily unit in a specific time?
This is meaningless. The person IS the body, your consciousness is emergetic from that body. What "confines" your arm to your body? Nothing except the fact it grew from your body.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 22:32:49 No.14414051 Report

Quoted By: >>14414055 >>14414251

>>14412262
But why am I me and not someone else? There is a big asymmetry. It's as weird as quantum state collapse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 22:34:36 No.14414055 Report

Quoted By: >>14414389

>>14414051
>But why am I me and not someone else
You can't be someone else. If you were then you wouldn't be you. Stop asking nonsensical questions. Do you think there's some kind of lottery where should are matched to bodies?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Apr 2022 23:56:57 No.14414251 Report

Quoted By: >>14414389

>>14414051
>But why am I me and not someone else?
I don't understand this question, why isn't it obvious: Why is the word "funeral" not the words "real fun" - because the letters are in a different formation.
Why is Audioslave a different band to Rage Against the Machine? Because of the different singer/lyricist and style.
Why are you not someone else? Because "you" are a sum of parts.
You should have answered this question when you were three years old and you first learned to distinguish a horse from a Zebra when you learned one has stripes and one doesn't

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 01:04:08 No.14414389 Report

Quoted By: >>14414442 >>14414610 >>14414712

>>14414055
>>14414251
You did not understand my question. What I'm asking is, why is the observer of the universe, why is God, watching the world through me? Similarly, how does God choose how to collapse the wave function of the universe in a specific way? It seems that just like we are in one of many possible universe, I happen to inhabit one specific sensitive vessel. And when I say I, basically I mean God.
And if you go on and say that I don't exist, then who is observing the universe? And if nobody is, doesn't the universe, by Ockham's razor, cease to exist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 01:39:09 No.14414442 Report

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>>14414389
>why is the observer of the universe, why is God, watching the world through me?
Because you didn't take your meds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 02:55:07 No.14414583 Report

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"What is consciousness?" "It's the brain"

An emergent phenomena that can not be defined in a reductionist fashion, as in a true sum of parts.
How peculiar.

So consciousness is produced by disparate entities separated by space. Why is the fact of space important? And if we increase the space between them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 03:01:22 No.14414599 Report

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>>14411964
>This is the reason why I am so convinced that the present self is everywhere, in all bodies (and non-bodies) and at all times, all at once.
If you believe this, you are rejecting empiricism. I can directly observe being THIS human at THIS exact moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 03:08:17 No.14414610 Report

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>>14414389
>You did not understand my question. What I'm asking is, why is the observer of the universe, why is God, watching the world through me
You don't understand we've had an answer for more 5000 thousand years
>12 And God said, “I will be with you. And this will be the sign to you that it is I who have sent you: When you have brought the people out of Egypt, you will worship God on this mountain.”
>13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”
>14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[c] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”

bodhi

bodhi Thu 21 Apr 2022 03:09:43 No.14414611 Report

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>>14414024
Why are you afircan brap sniffer?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 03:10:24 No.14414613 Report

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>>14414611
That's not very Zen of you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 03:22:00 No.14414631 Report

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It is actually very straightforward and only because materialism is presumed do you think it is difficult to grasp. The self is one of the simplest things to understand but there is a lot of feeling required.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 03:24:09 No.14414636 Report

Quoted By: >>14414725

>>14414031
The thing you fail to grasp is that logistics is a construct that exists entirely within a mind. You are attempting to reduce consciousness down to a mere part of consciousness. Because you start from the perspective that consciousness is not real when you should start from "I am"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 04:05:50 No.14414712 Report

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>>14414389
>What I'm asking is, why is the observer of the universe, why is God,
That is not the same question as "why am I me and not someone else" that is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT QUESTION.
It's not that I didn't understand your question, you don't know how to ask question properly.
> why is the observer of the universe, why is God, watching the world through me?
Ohhh you're a fucking narcissist. Why do you think God thinks you, some fucking poster on 4chan is so special that he's watching the universe through you? Why are you so special, not all the other posters in this thread who are also observers of the universe.
This isn't a question about science, this entire thread is you trying to edify your fractured ego, you need to feel like you're cosmically significant?
Well let me tell you: you're not. You are not some sort of necessary on God's great plan, you're just some egotist who can't ask questions clearly. God would make you easier to understand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 04:11:50 No.14414725 Report

Quoted By: >>14415383

>>14414636
Logistics is a result of there being space and time separating particles. It's not just a mind construct, there are very real and consistent patterns that logistics mind constructs refers to. It's the reason why your dick isn't in your mom's appendix this very moment, and why you can't just whim a shipping container full of Teslas into your room.

Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "matieralism" if it's leading you to assume I'm making rejections that I haven't explicitly stated. It's a loaded word and I wish it wasn't. So then let's start at "I am". There's a lot of room to explain "why am I also not everything else". What is so special about consciousness that it warrants a comparison to omniscience? Being a phenomenon local to the material that makes up your body and brain is consistent with any other physical phenomenon being localized. Even quantum mechanics requires a point of prior localization for the entanglement of two particles to occur. That is all I am saying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 05:17:24 No.14414789 Report

Quoted By: >>14415993

>>14411942
>the self is the most mysterious thing about the universe

What was that thing God told you about not sniffing your own farts? There is plenty of time to review all the selves when you exit the simulation. Trying to cheat an exit with suicide is a sin. Making a career out of being a spiritualist wanker is a sin. Visiting the other side with a bunch of hallucinogens isn't a sin if you use the trip as inspiration to advance something within the simulation.

Do something

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 08:17:55 No.14414997 Report

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>>14411942
There are quantum effects measured inside the neurons. If quantum entanglement is to be associated with physicals dimensions beyond the ones our brain lives (and decay) in, we are literally existing and connected to something else. And this is perhaps the "mysterious thing" you are hinting.
That being said, I do believe our memories and the most important thing that makes your "self" only live in the physical matter we understand, and is destroyed for the most part after death.
But I am just a random anon talking out of this ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 09:13:15 No.14415057 Report

Quoted By: >>14415386 >>14415475

You know what fucks with me? Imagine cloning. Perfect cloning. As in the clone of you has a consciousness too, exact same memories and thought processes and everything. And yet, its not YOU. If you died, you wouldn't "respawn" in that clone or change perspectives. You would just die. And nobody in the outside would be able to tell if you were the original or not. Even though everything is identical, there's something about your consciousness making you unique.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 13:08:51 No.14415383 Report

Quoted By: >>14415500

>>14414725
The mind isn't localized though. You assume it is but not really. There is such a thing as a self but the self is not contained in a prison. It is not even possible to exist on your own without other people. I mean that in a deeper way than just learning from them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 13:11:44 No.14415386 Report

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>>14415057
It's because the idea that a mind arises from physical phenomenon is flawed. We all know that a clone can't have the same consciousness as the original yet that implies the process is not purely mechanical. Of course most materialists don't see this because they also don't understand that experience itself implies this too. You can't actually encode blue you can only encode something that evokes blue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 13:49:03 No.14415475 Report

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>>14415057
the game soma explores this in depth. very enjoyable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 14:05:16 No.14415500 Report

Quoted By: >>14415517

>>14415383
You could try to be more specific by what you mean, so we can both try to verify if your underlying assumptions are in fact critical to a meaningful definition of a mysterious non-local self or indiscriminable from a trivializing information barrier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 14:06:12 No.14415505 Report

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>>14411942
just cause

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 14:11:31 No.14415517 Report

Quoted By: >>14415534

>>14415500
It's not that complicated. You cannot exist in a world without others. You need people because they are part of you. It is not true that we live in a box by ourselves. In the same way a world is an extension of the self. What is a human without a world to inhabit? The idea that we are separate in that sense is false. But of course there are selves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 14:25:56 No.14415534 Report

Quoted By: >>14415541

>>14415517
What does it mean for another person to be a part of me? Neurologically, I can certainly agree that there is a unique part of my brain that represents the presence other people that I interact with and derive enjoyment from, without which my mental health would take a toll from the lack of stimulation. But this is not a mysterious omniscient/non-local phenomenon. Let's state formally that the neurological self includes both your bodily senses and the perception of and various others and your interactions with them.

You are not concomitant with those others that produced the photons that gave you the signal to perceive their presence, you are independent from them. You can be by yourself and reflect on your interactions without the participation of those others.

But once again this is not a matter of physically extending yourself beyond the matter in which you inhabit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 14:30:33 No.14415541 Report

Quoted By: >>14416372 >>14416388

>>14415534
No that is not really true. You can be separate in a sense but until death all people in this world are here with one another. You make assumptions that are materialistic. I don't care about photons. You start from the object and work up. I start from the subject and work down. I don't like the idea that I have to play dumb about what it means to be a person. I don't need to formalize what it means to be myself or to have friends. The simple truth about me is the right answer not some complex idea about neurons and photons. It only serves the purpose of validating materialism. Nothing is really gained or said with it except that we are all machines subservient to a god called Atom or nowadays fields. It is not interesting or honest just dismissive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 14:34:54 No.14415553 Report

Quoted By: >>14415559

The idea of "self" as anything other than a reference point is a fiction. There's nothing super natural or mysterious about the idea of the self. Our sense of self is a restrospective placeholder insertion. Nothing more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 14:37:50 No.14415559 Report

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>>14415553
Just because you say it does not make it true. What is more important than the self is the heart. The spiritual heart which of course is connected to the physical. That is really where you are not your head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 14:39:49 No.14415564 Report

Quoted By: >>14415575

>>14411942
Notice how all your questions start to make sense if you suppose that you are your brain rather than some spiritual whatever the ~woowoo/x/.

For isn't it curious how anything that happens to the brain also seem to happen to you?
You drug your brain you change how you experience the world. People harm it - it changes who they are.
Whenever you turn it off your consciousness is gone till it wakes up again. It's destroyed you're dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 14:40:31 No.14415567 Report

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People think the heart is not the location of the soul because you can replace a heart with a mechanical one and still live. Well the same is conceivable for the brain. If you replaced each neuron in your mind one at a time perhaps you would still be you. Well the true heart is not the thing itself it is the beat. The beat of your heart is life it is your frequency.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 14:42:09 No.14415575 Report

Quoted By: >>14415650

>>14415564
The same is true for the entire body. Just because you moved the problem inside the skull doesn't change anything. It does not mean you are a machine it just means a body is important to your being which of course any human would say this is true. I do not believe in a world where I have no form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 15:12:47 No.14415650 Report

Quoted By: >>14415668 >>14415688

>>14415575
>The same is true for the entire body.

No it's not, people lose limbs our any organ we can replace with technology all the time and nothing about their personality or perception of who they are will change (unless we count dealing with the trauma of being various degree of handicapped). But as soon as you even touch the brain something happens to you in very obvious ways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 15:19:46 No.14415668 Report

Quoted By: >>14415695

>>14415650
>unless we count dealing with the trauma of being various degree of handicapped
That is a HUGE impact. But also altered states of consciousness do not prove materialism. If anything they disprove it since you can completely leave material reality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 15:20:36 No.14415672 Report

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What OP thinks of as being "a person" may be as something confined to a bodily unit in a specific time.
Actually, that is exactly OP's problem, isn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 15:25:47 No.14415688 Report

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>>14415650
>people lose limbs our any organ we can replace with technology all the time and nothing about their personality or perception of who they are will change
Wrong. People's personality change through their life. A baby's personality isn't the same as a boy, nor a boy with his teen, nor a teen with his young adulthood, nor adulthood with old age.

Furthermore, they change based on how people dress, their hair style, their friends, etc. A personality of a personality is very dynamic. You're not gonna convince anyone by saying that they won't notice any change if you cut off their limbs and replace it with robotic limbs. People will be different.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 15:27:52 No.14415695 Report

Quoted By: >>14415702

>>14415668
It's just pointing out how all psychological phenomena we can experience and observe in others makes sense if you assume we are our brain. It's only mysterious why you're in your body and nowhere else if you for whatever reason wanna insist we're not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 15:31:39 No.14415702 Report

Quoted By: >>14415742

>>14415695
The brain is actually essentially invisible to us. It only can be seen after death or with advanced technology. It is a fitting representation of the soul in many ways. There is no feeling or sense of a brain that I have. I do have a sense that there is a heart. I can feel my own heart beating. I don't see why you put so much weight in the brain. I am not even denying it can give insight into a person's internal world I am just denying that it changes anything about the mind and body.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 15:42:22 No.14415731 Report

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Psychedelics help a lot to understanding self and the universe. It removes personal bias and other filters and shows only what is

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 15:45:52 No.14415742 Report

Quoted By: >>14415760

>>14413693
>>14415702

>A baby's personality isn't the same as a boy, nor a boy with his teen, nor a teen with his young adulthood, nor adulthood with old age.

Yeah notice how it's like their personality and maturity changes thruout their life as their brain first develop from indolecene to adulthood
and then they may go whimsical as it deteriorates as they reach old age. It's like their whole personality shapes itself to fit whatever state the brain is.

>change based on how people dress, their hair style, their friends, etc. A personality of a personality is very dynamic.

Sure, but the kind of alteration to your personality you have from putting on a different T-shirt is pretty mild no?
While the alteration we see in people who for example have survived a gunshot wound to the head is immense, changes who they are how they behave forever.

> There is no feeling or sense of a brain that I have
Try extending your arms and spin around as fast as you can for a few minutes anon. I promise you will feel something in your brain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 15:53:16 No.14415760 Report

Quoted By: >>14415789

>>14415742
So what? I never said human minds are impervious to being altered. I am saying the brain is a form representing consciousness. Maybe consciousness can be damaged by something even without it having some narrative power like a heart break. But it is also possible that the real person is gone when brain damage occurs and you instead only interact with a false version of them. Where they have gone is not certain. But yes our minds go through changes in this life that does not prove materialism. The brain does not prove materialism it is just a physical form. Yes the form affects the internal world. That is not somehow proof of nonsense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:02:59 No.14415789 Report

Quoted By: >>14415801

>>14415760
So either the brain is a receptor for your soul which has a shape/state that seem to perfectly mirror who you are thruout your life. Or; it is infact what you are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:07:50 No.14415801 Report

Quoted By: >>14415856

>>14415789
That's not true actually. The truth is all is mind. Matter is a reflection of mind and a part of mind. There is no physical vs mind just mind. Also the notion that physics operates on laws is an assumption made by a society of laws. It is not actually true that this physical world follows and obeys laws it is more like habits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:17:16 No.14415829 Report

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>>14412262
Mental representation is the problem though. Categorization is reasonable enough, we can see computers do that. But why does representation carry with it experience? Why is there a quality that I experience to each representation I generate? If this is a natural condition for any organism which generates representations then things like cells must have some experiential capacity as well, as they categorize elements of their environment. And if cells have it, and groups of cells generate really complex forms of this experience, then what about societies. Is there something it is like to be America, or to be Russia? These cultures generate values and frameworks for representation, they amalgamate millions of individual processing units, not unlike our billions of neurons. Furthermore the quality of being is unlike any other quality around me. It’s not like the hard matter of my walls, and it’s not like the thermal energy that warms my bath, and finally, my experience is not like yours, I can’t experience you. It’s strange that someone could not be curious about how strange and wonderful it is to exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:20:51 No.14415837 Report

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ITT: "spiritual" pseuds debating meat husks over the correct flavor of mud worship

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:30:14 No.14415856 Report

Quoted By: >>14415858 >>14415862 >>14415884 >>14415990

>>14415801
Well it is true, and deep down you know it too, just like everyone else. You ask these questions to the crowd here only because you really would prefer it not to be true.
Because you greatly fear your own mortality and can't face the truth that one day you'll no longer exist, and knowing it'll be just like before you where born: absolutely nothing at all.

Returning to that state of nothing scares you, where as it provides people like me with some degree of comfort since I already have not existed - and it wasn't scary at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:31:28 No.14415858 Report

Quoted By: >>14415872

>>14415856
>projecting this hard
Don't you have some meme science immortality thread to post in?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:32:07 No.14415862 Report

Quoted By: >>14415935

>>14415856
That is actually far less terrifying than living in hell. If you want to go there I would argue that you are too scared of the idea that the next life might be far worse than this so you hope for nothingness since it feels more secure to you. I also think you are admitting that nothingness is undesirable compared to a true heaven by calling it terrifying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:32:25 No.14415863 Report

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>>14411942
>what confines a person to a specific bodily unit in a specific time? memories, and the isolated nature of the brain. even if consciousness was a universal and you were technically every conscious thing in the universe simultaneously, forever, memories and stimuli are limited to wherever they are created and stored, ie the brain.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:33:06 No.14415867 Report

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>>14411942
>Like, I've done research and studied this
Can you link us to your research, or give us a QRD?
What are your sources and/or your credentials?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:34:06 No.14415871 Report

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>>14411952
modern research is linking consciousness to microtubules, which are found in all eukaryote cells

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:34:07 No.14415872 Report

Quoted By: >>14415878 >>14415880

>>14415858
>Don't you have some meme science immortality thread to post in?

Uhm, isn't that this thread anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:34:17 No.14415875 Report

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>>14411942
>what confines a person to a specific bodily unit in a specific time?
The fact that they are there in that moment and not anywhere else
What confines your glass cup to your table? The fact it's not in the cupboard at that moment

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:35:14 No.14415878 Report

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>>14415872
>n-n-no u!
Come on. Everyone can see that you and your cult are projecting. No one is more terrified of death than the kind of "people" who shart your beliefs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:35:19 No.14415880 Report

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>>14415872
There's another one up, believe it or not

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:36:56 No.14415884 Report

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>>14415856
>I already have not existed
you have no proof of this. what didn't exist were your brain and your memories. the cut off point of the "start" of your consciousness isn't you being alive, it's your first stable memories.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:54:48 No.14415935 Report

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>>14415862
Pfft. Continuous afterlife or 'Heaven or hell' is super whimsical fairy-tales, If you wanna know what scares me the most I will admit it, it's this:

That this whole thing is somehow cyclical and I will awake in some other form just as I did in this one and it'll keep happening forever.
And for every occasional all-day-blowjobs-by-angels existence I'll get to enjoy I will also be some galactic frogposting hitler type entity.
At some point I'd prob even be you sitting there shaking my fucking head at me typing this text.

I will be every every variation of a jew forced into the gaschamber and every animal that ever gets eaten alive by a predator.
It's a fantasy scenario that feels real enough to me that it's something I entertain might actually happen since somehow I'm evidently here -out of nowhere- right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 16:58:38 No.14415945 Report

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>>14415884
>the cut off point of the "start" of your consciousness isn't you being alive, it's your first stable memories.

I know. Just that the person I was talking to seemed far from the level of worrying about such fine nuances of the argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 17:10:43 No.14415970 Report

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>>14415935
That's not any different than what I meant by hell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 17:18:24 No.14415983 Report

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>>14415970
>It's supra different from what you meant by hell. That is way more different than just super different.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 17:20:49 No.14415990 Report

Quoted By: >>14416408

>>14415856
>>14415884
In a sense, everyone has always exist and will always exist, since the matter and energy making up "us" isn't disappearing at any point, just transforming
In the same sense, the "me" that was born does not exist anymore as "me", since most of that matter has already been discarded and replaced, and the vast majority of "me" wasn't even there
That still has little to do with consciousness though, there will be a moment in which the biological system that is "me" won't be able to perceive its sorroundings or itself anymore - I guess that's what death, or "not existing", is
There's no need to make it complicated, either; we are self-assembling. self-aware machines as long as we function, and we perceive ourselves as being in a specific place at a specific time because our consciousness is confined to where that machine is and what it can perceive

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 17:22:17 No.14415993 Report

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>>14414789
Been there before. Such a strange place it is especially visiting while under going an ego death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 17:29:36 No.14416010 Report

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>>14415993
>when you become aware how you're prob sitting there talking to people into cocaine bukkake who travel to the ~12th dimension to commune with dolphins. nn /sci/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 20:06:24 No.14416372 Report

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>>14415541
I think you are failing to give due dilligence to other points of view. I really urge you to consider not believing in this mutual exclusivity between materialism and your soulfuless. You can be your kind of soulful along the materialistic framework that describes things you're not making the effort to, they are not incompatible, they don't need to invalidate each other. Pick and choose what parts of empirical analysis make sense to you and justify rejecting the others that don't, but be dilligent in doing so. If you don't you're weakening your authority to speak for either viewpoint. You can prioritize your own point of view all you want but this is what's required to communicate and make sense with others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 20:11:08 No.14416388 Report

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>>14415541
What are you even doing in /sci/ anyways if you don't care to understand all of reality with a consistent mental framework

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Apr 2022 20:17:36 No.14416408 Report

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>>14415990
I copied this to a notepad file, hope you dont mind.

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