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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 00:36:09 2021 No.12590667 View Reply Original Report

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>25 errors
>"I will just ignore your command..."
>25000 warnings
>Sorry, latex couldn't put the image where you wanted
>2020 and you can't fucking add a table easily
>Literally anything can be done in 80 different ways with 900 different packages but none of them are nice or intuitive and you will be looking at fucking stackexchange at least 5 times every time you write a new big document.
>It's easy to just change templates bro.
I doubt a single one of you ever tried passing a paper from one journal template to another one.

Please, o wise ones, tell me this was just a meme and this is the dark souls of text editors where it's all about you sucking your own dick after you "beat" it. I'm tired of wasting my time. I know you have something better hidden there.

What should I use to write?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 00:37:40 No.12590679 Report

Quoted By: >>12590748 >>12595257

>>12590667
Microsoft Word.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 00:54:28 No.12590748 Report

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>>12590679
>t. biologist

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 00:57:21 No.12590757 Report

Quoted By: >>12591922 >>12592219 >>12592522 >>12594385

>>12590667
>What should I use to write?
LaTeX edited with vim.
It's not dark souls of text editors if you programmed at least once in your life. It's a shitty html wrapper. And if you're complaining about lack of documentation, then oh my dear friend you never used any niche scientific programming software like ROOT or Geant4. The implementation logic there makes you gouge your eyes out and then accelerate towards a nearest wall. LaTeX is piss easy in comparison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 01:31:45 No.12590991 Report

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>>12590667
>What should I use to write?
SATySFi https://github.com/gfngfn/SATySFi

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 01:37:03 No.12591017 Report

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>>12590991
WoW dUDe, tHaNKs A buNcH

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 01:39:40 No.12591036 Report

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>>12590667
>text editor
latex isn't a text editor retard. since you apparently don't even know what latex is you intelligence is too low to ever write it. just drop out and go to industry and work a job where they use microsoft word instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 02:32:56 No.12591230 Report

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>>12590667
Can /sci/ pool its massively underutilized intellectual resources and write a better latex one line at a time? I'll start.
>for (int i=0:length(document)){system.out.print(document.page(i))}

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 02:36:37 No.12591243 Report

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>>12590667

as i understand, it works and nobody wants to fuck with it. it's not too bad desu. at least it isn't some shitty online service.

>$ brew install latex
>Error: No available formula for latex
>Installing TeX from source is weird and gross, >requires a lot of patches,
>and only builds 32-bit (and thus can't use >Homebrew deps on Snow Leopard.)

>We recommend using a MacTeX distribution: http://www.tug.org/mactex/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 02:37:32 No.12591244 Report

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>>12591230
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 03:28:44 No.12591357 Report

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>>12590667
HTML

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 08:37:15 No.12591922 Report

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>>12590757
shut the fuck up retard
>>12590667
try texstudio

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 08:39:25 No.12591927 Report

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>>12590667
Unless you're a math of physics faggot all you need is word. Plug and play, move on with your life. Better than being subject to the opinions of autists on the internet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 08:44:35 No.12591937 Report

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>>12591927
>t. brainlet

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 09:21:59 No.12591988 Report

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>>12591922
Anon, have some style!
$S^Hu_T \qquad T^HE\qquad _FU^CK\quad u^P\quad\rightarrow R._E.^TA_RD \leftarrow$

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 11:32:50 No.12592132 Report

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\Box \phi ={\frac {8\pi }{3+2\omega }}T

G a b = 8 ? ? T a b + ? ? 2 ( ? a ? ? b ? ? 1 2 g a b ? c ? ? c ? ) + 1 ? ( ? a ? b ? ? g a b ? ? ) {\displaystyle G_{ab}={\frac {8\pi }{\phi }}T_{ab}+{\frac {\omega }{\phi ^{2}}}(\partial _{a}\phi \partial _{b}\phi -{\frac {1}{2}}g_{ab}\partial _{c}\phi \partial ^{c}\phi )+{\frac {1}{\phi }}(\nabla _{a}\nabla _{b}\phi -g_{ab}\Box \phi )}

G_{{ab}}={\frac {8\pi }{\phi }}T_{{ab}}+{\frac {\omega }{\phi ^{2}}}(\partial _{a}\phi \partial _{b}\phi -{\frac {1}{2}}g_{{ab}}\partial _{c}\phi \partial ^{c}\phi )+{\frac {1}{\phi }}(\nabla _{a}\nabla _{b}\phi -g_{{ab}}\Box \phi ),

where

? {\displaystyle \omega } \omega is the dimensionless Dicke coupling constant;
g a b {\displaystyle g_{ab}} g_{ab} is the metric tensor;
G a b = R a b ? 1 2 R g a b {\displaystyle G_{ab}=R_{ab}-{\tfrac {1}{2}}Rg_{ab}} G_{{ab}}=R_{{ab}}-{\tfrac {1}{2}}Rg_{{ab}} is the Einstein tensor, a kind of average curvature;
R a b = R m a m b {\displaystyle R_{ab}={R^{m}}_{amb}} R_{{ab}}={R^{m}}_{{amb}} is the Ricci tensor, a kind of trace of the curvature tensor;
R = R m m {\displaystyle R={R^{m}}_{m}} R={R^{m}}_{{m}} is the Ricci scalar, the trace of the Ricci tensor;
T a b {\displaystyle T_{ab}} T_{{ab}} is the stress–energy tensor;
T = T a a {\displaystyle T=T_{a}^{a}} T=T_{a}^{a} is the trace of the stress–energy tensor;
? {\displaystyle \phi } \phi is the scalar field; and
? {\displaystyle \Box } \Box is the Laplace–Beltrami operator or covariant wave operator, ? ? = ? ; a ; a {\displaystyle \Box \phi =\phi _{\;\;;a}^{;a}} \Box \phi =\phi _{{\;\;;a}}^{{;a}}.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 11:33:52 No.12592138 Report

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The field equations of the Brans–Dicke theory are

:<math>\Box\phi = \frac{8\pi}{3+2\omega}T</math>

:<math>G_{ab} = \frac{8\pi}{\phi}T_{ab}+\frac{\omega}{\phi^2}
(\partial_a\phi\partial_b\phi-\frac{1}{2}g_{ab}\partial_c\phi\partial^c\phi)
+\frac{1}{\phi}(\nabla_a\nabla_b\phi-g_{ab}\Box\phi)</math>,

where
:<math>\omega</math> is the dimensionless Dicke coupling constant;
:<math>g_{ab}</math> is the [[metric tensor]];
:<math>G_{ab} = R_{ab} - \tfrac{1}{2} R g_{ab}</math> is the [[Einstein tensor]], a kind of average curvature;
:<math>R_{ab} = {R^m}_{a m b}</math> is the [[Ricci curvature|Ricci tensor]], a kind of [[trace (linear algebra)|trace]] of the curvature tensor;
:<math>R = {R^m}_{m}</math> is the [[Scalar curvature|Ricci scalar]], the trace of the Ricci tensor;
:<math>T_{ab}</math> is the [[stress–energy tensor]];
:<math>T = T_a^a</math> is the trace of the stress–energy tensor;
:<math>\phi</math> is the scalar field; and
:<math>\Box</math> is the [[Laplace–Beltrami operator]] or covariant wave operator, <math>\Box \phi = \phi^{;a}_{\;\; ;a}</math>.

The first equation says that the trace of the stress–energy tensor acts as the source for the scalar field <math>\phi</math>. Since electromagnetic fields contribute only a [[traceless]] term to the stress–energy tensor, this implies that in a region of spacetime containing only an electromagnetic field (plus the gravitational field), the right hand side vanishes, and <math>\phi</math> obeys the (curved spacetime) [[wave equation]]. Therefore, changes in <math>\phi</math> propagate through ''electrovacuum'' regions; in this sense, we say that <math>\phi</math> is a ''long-range field''.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 12:03:11 No.12592219 Report

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>>12590757
Are you a fellow particle physicist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 12:33:41 No.12592307 Report

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>>12592132
>>12592138
$F^{A^{I^{L^{\qquad _{M_{O_{R_{E}}}}}}}}$

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 14:02:59 No.12592522 Report

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>>12590757
>like ROOT or Geant4
Ahah fuck this. It is my and my colleagues belief that there isn't a single person in the world who managed to install Gate and link it to Geant4 on a Windows system. The doc says you can do it but it is a bald-face lie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 14:05:28 No.12592531 Report

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>>12590667
t. undergrad brainlet forced to use a proper text creation system for assignments the first time

lamo, what a shame, no more microdick offise for you kek
off with the training wheels for faggots that teach bad habits and welcome in the real world

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 14:08:55 No.12592543 Report

Quoted By: >>12592553 >>12593251

>>12590667
Scientific papers are among the least fancy things you can design.
Once you found a proper template on overleaf you literally only have to plug your own text and figures to create a paper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 14:12:35 No.12592553 Report

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>>12592543
Very wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 14:17:42 No.12592568 Report

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>>12592553
Name situations where you can't just plug text and figures into a functional template to create a standard paper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 14:19:01 No.12592576 Report

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>>12592568
>making excuses for being a brainlet

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 14:19:16 No.12592578 Report

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>>12592568
Chances are you'll have to modify your text accordingly to make it typeset well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 14:25:10 No.12592591 Report

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>>12592576
I see, no counter examples. Go fuck yourself.

>>12592578
You mean translate equations into latex formulas? That's hardly problematic.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 14:26:13 No.12592594 Report

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>>12592591
>Go fuck yourself
i prefer fucking your whore mother
see webm related, me in your moms POV

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 14:29:43 No.12592606 Report

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>>12592594
I'm quite the master memer myself
< me and your mom/sis/gf

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 14:31:18 No.12592613 Report

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>>12592606
>I'm quite the master memer myself
try me, newbie
training for your mom zoz

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 14:44:28 No.12592651 Report

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>>12592591
>You mean translate equations into latex formulas? That's hardly problematic.
No, I mean modifying the text.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 14:45:43 No.12592654 Report

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>>12592591
>>12592651
Here's an example of what happens when you switch templates on a paper:
https://cr.yp.to/writing/visual.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 18:39:07 No.12593251 Report

Quoted By: >>12599090

>>12592543
>Once you found a proper template on overleaf
You have no idea what you're talking about. OP mentioned journals. You send them your initial version of the paper, if it is accepted, you have to modify everything according to their template, including tables, units, figures, etc.
It's horrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 23:41:21 No.12594356 Report

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>>12590667
Use Groff you mongoloid

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 23:54:11 No.12594385 Report

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>>12590757
>ROOT
Fucking minecraft enchantment table. The first time I had a problem with it I asked an older dude to help and he handed me a script to Uninstall and reinstall it. Lo and behold it worked

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jan 2021 04:09:58 No.12595165 Report

Quoted By: >>12596017

>>12592219
yes. Had to deal with it in undergrad research when I did HEP experiment. Thankfully I'm doing theory now.
>>12592522
using Windows for these is asking for trouble. Just install Ubuntu. I don't know why they even bothered with the Windows version. All servers run on Linux anyway.
>>12594385
>The first time I had a problem with it I asked an older dude to help
literally me. That shit is impossible to learn on your own. It's like some arcane Warhammer 40k mechanicus knowledge that is passed on like religious canon. And every time you modify the code you pray to the Omnissiah that it better fucking compile and not segfault.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jan 2021 04:53:01 No.12595257 Report

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>>12590679
Jesus Christ man. No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jan 2021 07:34:49 No.12595588 Report

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>>12590748
CS grad student working in a bio lab, this is the truest post in this thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jan 2021 12:16:51 No.12596017 Report

Quoted By: >>12596441

>>12595165
>yes. Had to deal with it in undergrad research when I did HEP experiment. Thankfully I'm doing theory now.
What did you do?
ATLAS reporting in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jan 2021 15:08:58 No.12596441 Report

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>>12596017
I worked on DUNE. Did simulations for one of the detectors in their muon alcove.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jan 2021 17:25:56 No.12596826 Report

Quoted By: >>12597159

>>12590667
Use Word and spend less time formatting text and more time working on the subtance of your article instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jan 2021 18:59:58 No.12597137 Report

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>>12590667
I literally look down on anyone who doesn't use R-markdown with latex+ knitr
-write intro + everything down that I did as I go for methods (doesn't matter what, I use google docs for scratch since I open it anywhere without worrying about where its saved)
-do all analysis in R, given that ggplot + various packages and color brewer is the best fucking graphing software period, even seahorse isn't that great. For full points, make your own custom plotting functions (I have my own "brand" of type, size, color scheme, so its easy to tell what graphs I did. Very aesthetically pleasing)
-Transfer all words over to final markdown document, write/copy code and analysis into document. Work and finish the living document which is best of all word: markdown + latex + R-analysis.
publish with knitr, I always have the time-stamped word document + PDF generated for all projects.
Even when I'm doing a fuckton of work in python (RDKit is a bread-and-butter tool for me), I export everything to R for final documentation and writeup. Easy as fucking pie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jan 2021 19:03:37 No.12597159 Report

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>>12596826
that is the exact reason why capable people choose latex over word.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 03:32:59 No.12599090 Report

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>>12593251
What? Use the journal's TeX template. Read their author guidelines when designing figures. That's it. The only thing I've ever had to do is rename figures in their order of appearance

El Arcón

El Arcón Tue 19 Jan 2021 03:42:59 No.12599125 Report

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Knuth's computer modern is the best font though.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 06:22:56 No.12599447 Report

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A good font makes it easy to tell these apart:
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