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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 01:46:33 2021 No.5735371 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>5736089

Talk about your mind's eye, if and how you apply it to your art, and your explorations in training/improving it.

Links that could possibly be useful:
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BKyhc0poh6OhTBRz3ONQQAv3HfY-s-DbOFW-mn1CWNk/view
>https://archive.org/details/drawingfrommemor00cavm
>https://archive.org/details/133_20200605
>https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=AD85D3B890ED32A66CE2AC8BA8EC9087
>https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5215763/
>https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5225037/
>https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5238628/
>https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5364887/
>https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/links-to-art-of-memory-resources/76
>https://neurosciencenews.com/mental-imagery-neurons-16345/
>https://www.youtube.com/c/AphantasiaMeow/videos

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 01:58:12 No.5735386 Report

Quoted By: >>5735400

Not sure if I'm understanding anon. Personally, I never draw from references, and almost never draw the same piece twice or try to improve it. I feel like it loses it's spirit when I do that. I just like putting down whatever comes then toss it into a book and forget about it, my aim isn't to end up at some final perfected idea, the harder I try the emptier it feels. Getting the picture/feeling out of my head matters more. The odd time I draw from references, it doesn't feel like it's mine.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 02:07:11 No.5735400 Report

Quoted By: >>5735410

>>5735386
>Not sure if I'm understanding anon.
Sounds like you have a good grasp on the thread. Do you usually start with a defined image in your head for a piece and bring it to life on paper? Or do you wing it and incorporate whatever might end up popping in your head? I'm the latter because my imagination is pretty dull.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 02:07:22 No.5735401 Report

Quoted By: >>5735411 >>5739532

drawing is the fastest way to improve your visualization skills

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 02:14:46 No.5735410 Report

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>>5735400
I just start drawing, not really seeing a picture first. Typically I will be tripping or in meditation and see something strange in my head or want to visualize what I'm feeling and I have to put on paper (picrel). Often I just pencil on page light sketch then build it up from there. I used to paint but too much is lost in the process, for me I can't be free enough to get it out on a canvas like I can on paper. I also use Verithin pencils almost exclusively. They can't be erased, but don't smudge like pencil, allowing for really loose action on the page.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 02:14:49 No.5735411 Report

Quoted By: >>5735419 >>5735420

>>5735401
What you say sounds correct but personally i've only noticed significant improvements from specifically focusing on visualization exercises. Recently I saw a thread asking about whether or not anons used visualization in their drawing process, surprisingly people were saying they didn't. I think the only way to make the muscle of your imagination stronger is to exercise it, not that you don't do that while you're drawing.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 02:22:52 No.5735419 Report

Quoted By: >>5735440

>>5735411
Do you think some people just haven't practiced the ability to pull pictures up in their heads? My partner is a writer and for the most part does not see pictures in her head, rather she hears her thoughts (how she describes it). For me it's a steam of images always.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 02:24:06 No.5735420 Report

Quoted By: >>5735425 >>5735440

>>5735411
i dont' know, but the more i draw the less i need construction. I can just trace what I see in my head. Maybe it's different for different people

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 02:28:58 No.5735425 Report

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>>5735420
I think there is value in exercising that connection between the picture in your head and putting it on paper, but you can't really learn how to visualize in the other direction (by just drawing). That said, I did some college courses in industrial design that helped me lay perspective grids in my mind, it was very valuable training.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 02:48:19 No.5735440 Report

Quoted By: >>5735453

>>5735419
>Do you think some people just haven't practiced the ability to pull pictures up in their heads?
I do, I definitely fall under that category, but there are people who are incapable of that (aphantasia). Most people have strong visual associations with concepts and words but for some reason I just never developed that growing up, i've never daydreamed before either.
>>5735420
Have you been frequently imagining things since you were a child? Do you recall your imagination ever being weaker back then or the same as it is now? As with anything relating to people imagination is different for everyone.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 03:00:53 No.5735453 Report

Quoted By: >>5735477

>>5735440
So if you say, want to draw a cow, you'd prefer to see a picture of it as you draw? What about without a reference?

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 03:19:07 No.5735477 Report

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>>5735453
I would prefer to see a picture but i'm working pretty hard on improving my imagination. Without a reference I pretty much have only the vague concept of a cow to go off of because most of the time my imagination isn't distinct enough to actually observe shapes forms or outlines in, think of it as looking at an object in a dark room in the corner of your eye. Oddly I can still tell if the vague and unrecognizable image looks correct to whatever i'm imagining even if I can't actually make it out and analyze it.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 03:22:15 No.5735478 Report

Quoted By: >>5735822

is it possible to gain art passive skills through gnosis
old connection with masters that will help you...

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 05:31:47 No.5735654 Report

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We have these threads all the time, has anyone actually improved their visualisation to a vivid level yet?

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 09:08:26 No.5735822 Report

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>>5735478
I think it'll help your visual skills for sure. I think experimenting with that stuff, lucid dreaming and such really helped me

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 15:46:44 No.5736089 Report

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>>5735371
you guys are fucking stupid

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Anonymous Sun 14 Nov 2021 15:54:33 No.5736096 Report

Quoted By: >>5737338 >>5737911

i have godlike imagination i can look at anything and make a whole scene out of it or whatever, in fact im fukin your mom rn op.

But its worthless in art there is a wall // visualization is a meme you need solid fundamentals to do anything in art because life is bullshit and thats it

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Anonymous Mon 15 Nov 2021 11:37:50 No.5737338 Report

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>>5736096
Seething Soulless automaton

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Anonymous Mon 15 Nov 2021 20:48:04 No.5737911 Report

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>>5736096
Of course you need solid fundamentals but with a good enough imagination you could literally just make the final piece in your head and copy it 1:1 to paper. I don't understand how that's a meme at all, you could even have the "image" ready to copy in seconds if you really know what you want it to look like.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Nov 2021 19:49:49 No.5739532 Report

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>>5735401
Yes

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Anonymous Thu 18 Nov 2021 01:07:11 No.5741694 Report

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