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Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 17:14:03 2020 No.4948717 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>4948722 >>4948724 >>4948734 >>4949149

Should I take the "just make finished drawings" pill? It feels like the people who don't worry about studying and just draw what they want to draw no matter how bad it is get better at drawing way faster than the people who make tons of unfinished figures and studies and grind boxes or whatever else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 17:19:50 No.4948722 Report

Quoted By: >>4948727 >>4948729

>>4948717
There's some truth to this. I think it's a balance between the two - do the studies in digestible chunks, and apply them to finished pieces so that the knowledge gets extended beyond rote practice. It's too easy to fall into the trap of just drawing straight lines and boxes without considering how they're applicable to a finished piece.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 17:21:14 No.4948724 Report

Quoted By: >>4948726 >>4948730

>>4948717
show me the work of people who just drew and got better

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 17:22:34 No.4948726 Report

Quoted By: >>4948742

>>4948724
this 13 year old
https://twitter.com/Achoooshi/status/1317775074087165957
she posted her progress here
https://twitter.com/Achoooshi/status/1318078224597880837

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 17:22:45 No.4948727 Report

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>>4948722
this, based af

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 17:24:27 No.4948729 Report

Quoted By: >>4948737

>>4948722
I think being on /ic/ has instilled me with a mindset of "you aren't allowed to draw anything other than exercises until you can do it perfectly the first time".

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Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 17:24:44 No.4948730 Report

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>>4948724

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Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 17:27:04 No.4948734 Report

Quoted By: >>4948738

>>4948717
Who made that image? It's so comfy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 17:30:20 No.4948737 Report

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>>4948729
Every single figure drawing class I've taken in a classroom had the following structure:

1-2x 20 min 1-2 minute gestures
2-3x 20 min 5 minute figures
Remaining time split between 10-20 minute poses

If the class was a long pose class we'd still do some sort of warmup before going back to a 2-5 hour pose. Structurally they've always been aimed at learning how to take things to a finish, which is what I think is missing in a lot of self-taught/online learning systems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 17:31:13 No.4948738 Report

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>>4948734
stardustjarr on twitter i think
which, looking through their instagram, is another example of someone improving over time by just making drawings instead of grinding loomis and drawabox

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 17:35:02 No.4948742 Report

Quoted By: >>4948751 >>4948752

>>4948726
her drawings are shit anon, she just have a candy-eye rendering, when you want to know the true level of an artist look at their sketches and lineart, those things never lie
>>4948730
i can too put a low efort drawing i made 2 years ago and then put a drawing that spend hours making and everybody will think i'm the new murata

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 17:41:54 No.4948751 Report

Quoted By: >>4948799

>>4948742
Pyw

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 17:42:26 No.4948752 Report

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>>4948742
>her drawings are shit anon
post ya work

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 18:09:24 No.4948799 Report

Quoted By: >>4948847

>>4948751
>>4948752
lmao, not gonna psot my work on this shitty board, but i'll tell you something, if in less than a year you can't get on that shitty anime level just by grinding rendering you are either doing something wrong or your are not cut to be an artist, take it or leave it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 18:37:22 No.4948847 Report

Quoted By: >>4948896

>>4948799
>lmao, not gonna
Stopped reading there, pablo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 18:47:37 No.4948875 Report

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who the fuck cares? just draw already

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 18:51:55 No.4948886 Report

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Making art is itself a skill or "fundamental" that needs to be practiced. It's a mistake to think if you learn enough of fundamentals, the creative part will come easy. That leads to a perpetual study loop, because there's always something you don't know. The creative part is hard enough when you're really trying, constantly. So yes start sooner than later. Theory is useful too but it doesn't beat directly practicing the real thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 19:01:42 No.4948896 Report

Quoted By: >>4949167

>>4948847
stay ngmi then

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 21:43:12 No.4949149 Report

Quoted By: >>4949160

>>4948717
Yes. In nearly all aspects of life even.
Just fucking doing it carries a lot of weight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 21:48:24 No.4949160 Report

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>>4949149
this. always this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 21:52:15 No.4949167 Report

Quoted By: >>4949181

>>4948896
>stay [HEADCANON]
See?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 22:04:52 No.4949181 Report

Quoted By: >>4949284

>>4949167
damn you really are a fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 22:43:07 No.4949261 Report

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>should i have fun drawing?

in my opinion enjoying the process, regardless of the outcome, is infinitely more valuable than sheer techincal grinding. you might (might) actually improve faster too by having fun vs just grinding and grinding

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 23:05:33 No.4949284 Report

Quoted By: >>4949286

>>4949181
>damn you really are a [HEADCANON]
I can do this all day

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 23:06:16 No.4949285 Report

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Saitou Naoki, the illustrator for the Pokemon TCG and a bunch of other stuff says never to do aimless practice, but instead analyze your art to figure out what it is that you need to improve most at at your current level. Then do some practice of that thing in preparation for a finished picture. Then analyze your finished picture to see what you did well and what needs work, then repeat the process.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 23:06:19 No.4949286 Report

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>>4949284
thank you for proving my point

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2020 23:33:54 No.4949332 Report

Quoted By: >>4949738

My system currently is that every day I do one set of exercises from a course or book I'm currently reading, then mixed studies like figure drawings or portraits, then I finish off by drawing an original image of something I want to draw. I was originally one of those people waiting until I was good enough to tackle the content I wanted, but now I attempt it daily. Honestly it's been a massive motivator, it's not that large a requirement but every day just trying to draw something I want to draw to the best of my ability is really satisfying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Oct 2020 04:48:42 No.4949738 Report

Quoted By: >>4949744

>>4949332
im trying to get to this point, but i feel like i dont have any cool ideas. is it easy for you to think of ideas?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Oct 2020 04:59:24 No.4949744 Report

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>>4949738
It doesn't have to be anything that complicated really. I want to draw lewd art so mine are always characters I like in poses that I reference from photos or other artworks (when I base it on an artwork I significantly change the proportions so I still have to make my own decisions on stylisation), or occasionally try from imagination as a test. It's probably worth keeping an inspiration folder or a list of stuff that comes to mind that you can just grab a random one from whenever you want. All that really matters about these is that they're not done as studies, just as a genuine attempt at drawing something for enjoyment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Oct 2020 05:47:44 No.4949801 Report

Quoted By: >>4949811

ok i want to take the "I want to OCD analyze my behaviour, plot graphs, and figure out what are the best C O N D I T I O N S for generating a good work environment/mood for drawing with the least amount of drug use possible" pill

SECTION 1 - SKIP IF YOU ARE NOT A DRUG USER

1-are you on drugs (y/n) ?
2 - do you feel drugs make you more creative (y/n) ?
3 - Have you gotten bored of getting high?
4 - Have you gotten bored of drawing?
5 - Have you exhausted all opportunity to draw high and augment your style and state of mind?
6- Have you considered getting sober (one step, one drawing, one day at a time) by yourself?
7 - Are you currently aware relapse is sometimes a part of the recovery process for some people?

SECTION 2 ART AS A HOBBY VS AS A DISCIPLINE

1-Is art fun for you (currently) ?
2-Was art always fun for you until recently (recently can be probably be defined as young as 13 to as old as 30)?
3- Should art be fun?
4- Art school is a waste of time (I _"strongly"__(agree)/disagree)/neutral
5- Art is a hobby for most people, whereas to me it feels like work. (this applies to me/ this does not apply to me)

SECTION 3 MISCELLANOUS

1- Time is a construct and subjective. (True/False)
2- Gender is a social construct (True / false)
3 - I spend most of my time thinking about my gender and the challenges currently facing it. ("strongly" agree/disagree) /neutral

SECTION 4 POST YOUR WORK

1- >pic related is one of my works
2- In one word I would say this work is _______
3 - If i could improve one thing about it, it would be ___________
4 - My favorite part about this piece is ________
5 - My least favorite part about this piece is ________

SECTION 5 BLOG?
>post link to blog here

boxman

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boxman Wed 21 Oct 2020 05:52:40 No.4949811 Report

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>>4949801
>SECTION 1 - SKIP IF YOU ARE NOT A DRUG USER
>1-are you on drugs (y/n) ? yes
>2 - do you feel drugs make you more creative (y/n) ? no
>3 - Have you gotten bored of getting high? no
>4 - Have you gotten bored of drawing? no
>5 - Have you exhausted all opportunity to draw high and augment your style and state of mind?
lordy i hope so, but not really
>6- Have you considered getting sober (one step, one drawing, one day at a time) by yourself? yes, and i suck at it
>7 - Are you currently aware relapse is sometimes a part of the recovery process for some people? yes
>SECTION 2 ART AS A HOBBY VS AS A DISCIPLINE
>1-Is art fun for you (currently) ? ehhh video games are more fun to be honest
>2-Was art always fun for you until recently (recently can be probably be defined as young as 13 to as old as 30)? it stopped being fun in college (age 18)
>3- Should art be fun? That depends on the task at hand.
>4- Art school is a waste of time (I _"strongly"__(agree)/disagree)/neutral
I strongly disagree
>5- Art is a hobby for most people, whereas to me it feels like work. (this applies to me/ this does not apply to me) this applies to me
>SECTION 3 MISCELLANOUS
>1- Time is a construct and subjective. (True/False) false
>2- Gender is a social construct (True / false) true
>3 - I spend most of my time thinking about my gender and the challenges currently facing it. ("strongly" agree/disagree) /neutral
neutral
>SECTION 4 POST YOUR WORK
>1- >pic related is one of my works
>2- In one word I would say this work is boobies.
>3 - If i could improve one thing about it, it would be to consider finishing it, idk maybe watching some vilppu and learning how the abdomen actually works LOL
>4 - My favorite part about this piece is the attention to form and detail
>5 - My least favorite part about this piece is the ears
>SECTION 5 BLOG?
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/1551752

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