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Animation general

Anonymous Fri 01 Jan 22:32:23 2021 No.5103199 View Reply Original Report

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Previous Thread: >>5094656
Lazy copy n paste from the previous thread:
>Animation Thread Discord
https://discord.gg/KxKH48h

>51 exercises to try
http://www.animatorisland.com/51-great-animation-exercises-to-master/

>2D Animation Tutorial Youtubers
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqSn708K1qU-nZ74_fvdfRwjLwkBERvsn
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8-UylhAxkcdluQ75pvGkZYbqThFOA7hL
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnwHSDbcd45J_4lXT0GgPHbm4mlXEtAJX

>Books basic program tutorials, etc.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!3p8CwQZD!DR2mC-kw0TyQQ8Uw3T6JYg

>Reference
http://www.referencereference.com/
https://vimeo.com/groups/aniref
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRvspTjApofA2Yg3i10gTdQ
http://www.rhinohouse.com/

>Ideas for the Animated Short
https://virgam.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/anim-draw-48-ssa-ideas-anim-shorts.pdf

>Play YT videos frame-by-frame
http://rowvid.com/
or just pause the video and use the , and . keys (This doesn't always work but worth a try)

>Kinovea video file frame-by-frame analysis
https://www.kinovea.org/

(repost because I forgot the title)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 17:18:42 No.5134996 Report

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>>5134916
It's great, the tools and techniques he uses are in no way outdated. He breaks down and explains the animation process in a way that's easy to understand and easy to experiment with freely. It really is a "survival kit" in that it shows you how to tackle very common animation problems and how to approach challenging, unique shots/scenes. It's an incredible resource through and through

ta-kun

ta-kun Fri 15 Jan 2021 17:27:18 No.5135017 Report

Quoted By: >>5135057 >>5135177

Told you its controversial, you won't even get a discussion if you'd bring up the things that have been far since scientifically pointed out as wrong.
Either way you should always read those teachings loosely, because you want to make sure something given to you checks out instead of taking things in surface value.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 17:35:46 No.5135035 Report

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>>5131220
that mostly relies on trends but yea 2 frames count as animation even if you don't like it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 17:39:57 No.5135049 Report

Quoted By: >>5135075 >>5135119

>>5134966
principles in eastern animation are the same. the rest you talked about like subtlety are just stylistic choices

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 17:41:43 No.5135052 Report

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>>5119664
it`s called follow through in animation
>>5132336
wtf is going on with the exaggeration example

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 17:42:04 No.5135054 Report

Quoted By: >>5135987

>>5134815
Your drawings and compositing really look good in general. But as far as the animation goes it looks really flat. The body movement lacks good timing and the way her limbs move is a bit rigid. As a whole it doesn't look very fluid at all. Maybe work in timing first and draw the body as a whole rather than animating the parts individually then cleaning them up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 17:43:09 No.5135057 Report

Quoted By: >>5135075

>>5135017
>things that have been far since scientifically pointed out as wrong.
Like what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 17:43:42 No.5135059 Report

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>>5134815
cool effect

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 17:46:16 No.5135067 Report

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>>5134966
subtlety is alright but if all your animation is subtle what is the point in animating it? just film actual actor

ta-kun

ta-kun Fri 15 Jan 2021 17:48:46 No.5135075 Report

Quoted By: >>5135094 >>5135153 >>5135177

>>5135049
>subtlety is a stylistic choice
????
>>5135057
I gave three examples in total, can you really not figure out which one I was talking about?

You know, if you just say "no ur wrong" to somebody you are only strengthening the accusation that what you have is a belief. I'm not writing things to be a devil's advocate or anti west, I would learn from anyone, but saying no u is not gonna make people understand your view better, just hate it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 17:57:09 No.5135094 Report

Quoted By: >>5135114 >>5135123 >>5135149

>>5135075
Timing and spacing are crucial. A lot of anime look like shit because they don't have the basics down. The studios that do quality work like KyoAni are the ones that employ the same principles as Western animation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 18:07:26 No.5135114 Report

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>>5135094
a lot of anime look like shit because it is made by overworked, miserable, less than minimal wage japs and on tight deadlines

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 18:09:10 No.5135119 Report

Quoted By: >>5135149

>>5135049
This is right. Ignore that dumb weeb that doesn't even understand the principles. There is a thing called animation style.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 18:10:12 No.5135123 Report

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>>5135094
True

ta-kun

ta-kun Fri 15 Jan 2021 18:21:23 No.5135149 Report

Quoted By: >>5135171 >>5135177

>>5135094
>A lot of anime look shit
Even a lot of the lesser anime look better than what is considered high tier in the west, you are not making a good case here.
>they don't have the basics down
Ignoring the existence of Japanese resources just because you cannot look for them in english is immeasurably stupid
>timing and spacing
Was I talking about timing and spacing? This is literally one of those base factors, there is no animation without timing or spacing, its just a picture otherwise.
>The studios I like worship my teachers as gods
>still hasn't talked about anything I brought up
You could have saved me a lot of time by saying you have no interest in conversing. I can't tell if you gave me a politician answer or you are too stupid to notice what you are doing.
>>5135119
>Yeah, the people who are right are the majority. the guy who suggest that something I believe is wrong and gives points is just a dumb weeb.

If what I am saying is so unfathomably stupid, it won't be hard to just point it out. You realize that by evading discussing anything I brought up you look more like a fanatic than somebody who knows their stuff. art isn't a religion, we examine what we know to check if it is right. even Einstein said he could be proven wrong one day. A man who thinks he is above being proven wrong is a fool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 18:22:56 No.5135153 Report

Quoted By: >>5135170

>>5135075
>I gave three examples in total
You're saying squash and stretch has been... disproved by science?

ta-kun

ta-kun Fri 15 Jan 2021 18:26:09 No.5135170 Report

Quoted By: >>5135177

>>5135153
why do you need me to say things twice? can you not read what I wrote?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 18:27:28 No.5135171 Report

Quoted By: >>5135199

>>5135149
Where have i ever said i wouldn't be proven wrong, dumb faggot? I also never evaded anything from you since i didn't even replied to you at all. I was just agreeing with that other anon about how stupid you sounded. Sakuga animation often use fundamental principles of animation. You would know that if you actually weren't a gullible moron that is claiming to be the law in anime industry. Principles that are used the most in good anime are;
>exaggeration
>overlapping action
>arcs
>ease in/ease out
>anticipation
>secondary action

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 18:28:58 No.5135177 Report

Quoted By: >>5135214

>>5135170
>>5135149
>>5135075
>>5135017
>>5134966
this guy came into the thread looking to fight lol

ta-kun

ta-kun Fri 15 Jan 2021 18:40:05 No.5135199 Report

Quoted By: >>5135201 >>5135210 >>5135394

>>5135171
>throws in namecalling just to be tasteful
>I wasn't talking to you, I was talking with another anon about how stupid you were
>somehow I have drawn myself as someone who claims to be the law for anime, even though I'm disagreeing in the most open and "willing to listen" way possible
>my teachers are gods and any anime that is worth its value uses these
>claims to be open for discussion, but still avoids talking about ANYTHING that I brought up to back up my claim saying it is dated

Not only are you being childish, you are making your own side sound worse.
If what I am saying sounds so stupid, can you not take one of my examples and show that it is not correct?
This is childish, this is getting quite annoying.
anybody wants to actually discuss these and not just saying "no you"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 18:40:59 No.5135201 Report

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>>5135199
Dude, stop talking. You're making a fool of yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 18:44:04 No.5135210 Report

Quoted By: >>5135243

>>5135199
>anybody wants to actually discuss these and not just saying "no you"?
I don't even know what you're trying to discuss or what your points are. You think the Animator's Survival Kit is bad because it talks about squash and stretch and exaggeration?

ta-kun

ta-kun Fri 15 Jan 2021 18:48:47 No.5135214 Report

Quoted By: >>5135224

>>5135177
I have not been saying much fighting words.
I used I see instead of claiming facts in order to establish it as my point of view, I talked about how my point of view is subject to change and how I'm interested in talking about it. So far however just saying that I think something the old animation legends might be false garnered me name calls and spite.
The whole Idea of 4chan is that we can't hide someone else's opinion and we are here to discuss things, yet people have been youing me with ur stupid like it is some downvote.
Maybe I don't notice a mean side to myself, you tell me, I think I've been saying rational things and haven't been petty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 18:56:39 No.5135224 Report

Quoted By: >>5135267

>>5135214
>Maybe I don't notice a mean side to myself, you tell me, I think I've been saying rational things and haven't been petty.
Yeah man, you've been taking people disagreeing with you really personally and saying a bunch of very strange things. Overall just bringing down the quality of the thread, for shame!

ta-kun

ta-kun Fri 15 Jan 2021 19:09:39 No.5135243 Report

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>>5135210
You say that you don't know, but you just wrote it. I also wrote an explanation as to why I think those are flawed in western teachings, like how S&S is a misinterpretation of what the animators saw, and objects don't stretch that way and that exaggeration is a carryover from old cinema and theater, where exaggerating motion from life was a given.
I am seriously not being smug. I am curious about having this discussion.
objects do not stretch as their speed up, so why are so many people defeinding it? am I missing something?
Some of the best examples of animation that I have seen were ones were subtle motion was what sold everything, and some of the worse where a motion was too extreme for what it was meant to be, this is why I think exaggeration is merely tradition, if that is so wrong to say, wouldn't it be easy to disprove me?

ta-kun

ta-kun Fri 15 Jan 2021 19:19:33 No.5135267 Report

Quoted By: >>5135884

>>5135224
what have I been saying that is strange?
Where have I been taking things personally?
Am I really expecting too much asking to talk about the validity of western animation theory? Am I not justified getting annoyed that not a single one of my point has been actually confronted?
I seriously just came here to talk about animation, all I have been getting so far is nonsense.

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Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 19:27:18 No.5135286 Report

Quoted By: >>5135379 >>5135419

sheesh shut the fuck up idiots, im tired of this east vs west gay fights.
post animation or gtfo

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 19:41:43 No.5135313 Report

Quoted By: >>5135335 >>5135419 >>5135884

what do you think of this dancing guy? I was thinking about making a bunch of them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 19:51:44 No.5135335 Report

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>>5135313
cute!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 20:08:04 No.5135374 Report

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>>5131328
>https://motorpen.com/a/RLLMY
Fucking kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 20:10:09 No.5135379 Report

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>>5135286
Based. Also that is some kickass animation. Source?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 20:16:44 No.5135394 Report

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>>5135199
You weebs are mentally ill. I like anime more than western animation but you have to be deluded to think that the fundamental principles aren't being used in anime. That is why people are calling you stupid in this thread. Not to mention you are a tripfag as well which makes you look even more stupid.

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Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 20:24:59 No.5135419 Report

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>>5135313
really cute, i would add some subtle stretch and squash to the hands
>>5135286
no idea, i save all good gifs i see on a big folder

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Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 23:21:03 No.5135884 Report

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Warning: pic related is shrink fetish shit
>>5135313
good, but strikes me as a bit too slow.
>>5135267
u r being too articulate about other peoples flaws. This isn't the 'methods of discourse' general, it's the 'animation' general. Just keep saying things about animation not about the character of people who insult you & maybe u will catch less insults.
>>5134966
I agree with what you say about exaggeration, but I think it is pointing in the direction of managing audience focus, which applies to all visual art, but especially when story elements need to be conveyed. If someone is looking at the wrong place & misses a detail it can ruin stuff. So you gotta make sure. Make sure they see. See what you are trying to make them see.

I think gif loops are a new kind of medium. Like with a still image, the eye can circulate the thing multiple times, but like in animation, there is a flow to elements on the screen...

Anyone got hot resources on managing focus?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 23:28:09 No.5135900 Report

Quoted By: >>5135911

Just a tourist in this thread, but ta-kun is good people. They're just trying to be helpful and they tend to have good takes (I've seen them post in another thread that I actually frequent).

If you're not looking for critique or anything then just make that clear instead. It's rare enough for people to offer actual insight and debatable opinions on /ic/ rather than pure crab and shitposting, and the last thing we should be doing is actively discouraging thoughtful / detailed input.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 23:32:48 No.5135911 Report

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>>5135900
Why does ta-kun have an identity that can be remembered?!? what is this, book-face!?!?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 00:11:45 No.5135987 Report

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>>5135054
Yep, I'm fully aware. This is a "Finish it so mistakes can be made note of and avoided next time" animation. This is my first attempt at animation, so I'm learning a lot of shit as I go along.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 02:52:22 No.5136257 Report

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I copied this scene from Last Dance and took me 8 hours. I didn't save it so I redrawed it.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 09:03:09 No.5136714 Report

Quoted By: >>5136810 >>5136939 >>5136979

Hand animating camera moves is tricky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 10:42:17 No.5136810 Report

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>>5136714
Bahaha, that's not even a difficult camera move! Lol, jk, maybe try a bit of the old ease in ease out, eh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 12:02:08 No.5136939 Report

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>>5136714
I hear it's easier to just draw the full thing in something like 4K then just use a 1080p resolution and you can pan through the image way easier then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 12:31:00 No.5136979 Report

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>>5136714
soulfull.
on the pan up the critter's trail slides up along the camera instead of staying locked where it is relative to the tower, which breaks the effect of the pan.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 18:52:21 No.5137533 Report

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 22:07:01 No.5137989 Report

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whew lads this shit is hard, gonna keep at it.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 23:01:16 No.5138152 Report

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 23:27:32 No.5138223 Report

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Made in Krita at 24 fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZ2RQ25Vnk

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 06:25:33 No.5138998 Report

Quoted By: >>5139019

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 06:51:03 No.5139019 Report

Quoted By: >>5139082

>>5138998
Too fluid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 07:42:39 No.5139082 Report

Quoted By: >>5139196

>>5139019
ur fluid

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 09:19:02 No.5139196 Report

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>>5139082
lol

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