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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 12:22:30 2020 No.4858690 View Reply Original Report

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Previous Thread: >>4773795

>Animation Thread Discord
https://discord.gg/KxKH48h

>51 exercises to try
http://www.animatorisland.com/51-great-animation-exercises-to-master/

>2D Animation Tutorial Youtubers
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqSn708K1qU-nZ74_fvdfRwjLwkBERvsn
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8-UylhAxkcdluQ75pvGkZYbqThFOA7hL
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnwHSDbcd45J_4lXT0GgPHbm4mlXEtAJX

>Books basic program tutorials, etc.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!3p8CwQZD!DR2mC-kw0TyQQ8Uw3T6JYg

>Reference
http://www.referencereference.com/
https://vimeo.com/groups/aniref
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRvspTjApofA2Yg3i10gTdQ
http://www.rhinohouse.com/

>Ideas for the Animated Short
https://virgam.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/anim-draw-48-ssa-ideas-anim-shorts.pdf

>Play YT videos frame-by-frame
http://rowvid.com/
or just pause the video and use the , and . keys (This doesn't always work but worth a try)

>Kinovea video file frame-by-frame analysis
https://www.kinovea.org/

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 18:48:13 No.4899563 Report

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>>4899531
Sure. With a slight focus on furries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 19:03:25 No.4899592 Report

Quoted By: >>4899657 >>4904071

How do learn to do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4gAQXRFVX0

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 19:31:08 No.4899657 Report

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>>4899592
I dunno. Copy it. Add other things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 03:00:33 No.4900380 Report

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>>4898720
I'll keep that in mind when I flesh it out

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Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 08:48:43 No.4900642 Report

Quoted By: >>4900644 >>4900708 >>4900735

>>4858690
Does no one seriously have the crack to TV Paint?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 08:52:17 No.4900644 Report

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>>4900642
i dont know if it s even possible because it requires a physical usb dongle to run which is unusual for software and a pain the the ass because i've effectively lost one of my usb ports

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 10:17:57 No.4900708 Report

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>>4900642
10 is in the pastebein
11 hasn't been cracked

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 10:45:03 No.4900735 Report

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>>4900642
I have but only TV PAINT 10
I couldn't find 11
but still, 10 is decent
here:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/qh3wencowu3oz7h/TVPaint_Animation_10_Pro.rar/file

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 17:12:46 No.4901359 Report

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>>4898702
>everything just bursts into cubes
lmaoo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 18:45:22 No.4901514 Report

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>>4899489
if you're half decent and put out work resembling the work you want to make, it's actually a really good market. for example, if you want to make animated music videos, put out pieces that look like music videos / cinematic. if your work is decent and you use appropriate hashtags you'll have people contacting you pretty fast asking for work.

The biggest advice for animation commissions is put out a product, something someone else would commission you for, but do it for yourself. i've had a lot of luck recently doing animated loops which got people asking for me to make them animated album covers, best money i've been making in a long while

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Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 18:47:24 No.4901522 Report

Quoted By: >>4902015

New major version TVPaint 11.5 confirmed in development boys, should be some good new features coming

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 23:05:24 No.4902015 Report

Quoted By: >>4902205

>>4901522
did you buy it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Sep 2020 01:17:38 No.4902205 Report

Quoted By: >>4902235

>>4902015
yeah i got it with a huge student discount, actual price is insane so i'm glad i got it back then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Sep 2020 01:55:07 No.4902235 Report

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>>4902205
I really wish I could buy it. but it's not affordable. I run v10 and love it

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Anonymous Thu 01 Oct 2020 03:19:24 No.4904055 Report

Quoted By: >>4904318 >>4904322

>>4896791
Hell fucking no, I hate this guy's work. Every single motion, no matter what it is, has the exact same timing. And it's always floaty as shit, like what is even happening here

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Oct 2020 03:29:55 No.4904071 Report

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>>4898720
No they don't, they're clearly animating a trot. It is way too slow though, it's walking speed.
>>4899592
All straight-ahead animation; gotta meticulously plan out what you want to happen ahead of time because I'm guessing they drew it, drew over it and moved things slightly, and then drew over it again and again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Oct 2020 04:31:51 No.4904184 Report

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>>4876175
I’ll slide the robot from the right to the left. I find it confusing that the robot digs into the ground to preserve its position, yet doesn’t slide for the slightest bit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Oct 2020 05:53:30 No.4904318 Report

Quoted By: >>4904322

>>4904055
i used to really like the guy a couple of years ago, but i took a look at his stuff a few months ago and i noticed a lot of the same stuff, mostly with his floaty faces and how they always look around in a circle in the exact same annoying way

i think the biggest offender is how crazy overpriced his animation course is, $400 is just ridiculous when everything he teaches is right there on youtube for free.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Oct 2020 05:56:32 No.4904322 Report

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>>4904318
>>4904055

also he's kind of hard to listen too, he hasn't got a very natural script reading voice, somehow making generally interesting talking points feel like a drag to listen through

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Oct 2020 08:36:20 No.4904479 Report

Quoted By: >>4904529 >>4905983 >>4906221

How would you guys recommend animating stuff like freckles or stray hairs in frame by frame?
When I redraw it every frame it looks too jumpy and noisy, but when I copy and paste it between frames it's jarring and really noticeable. I could redraw them precicely each frame but I'm only one man.

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Anonymous Thu 01 Oct 2020 09:11:22 No.4904509 Report

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>>4897086
I just fixed mine with pressing tab to hide all panels, works on both 'Play in real time' and 'Play all frames'.
It looks like the playback slows down when several panels are open.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Oct 2020 09:41:04 No.4904529 Report

Quoted By: >>4905758

>>4904479
dont freckles are gross

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Oct 2020 09:42:09 No.4904530 Report

Quoted By: >>4904536

>>4904509
thats cool. who made it?

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Anonymous Thu 01 Oct 2020 09:46:27 No.4904536 Report

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>>4904530
uzura3026

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Anonymous Thu 01 Oct 2020 22:02:25 No.4905758 Report

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>>4904529
Fuck you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Oct 2020 00:30:52 No.4905983 Report

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>>4904479
You can copy and paste them and then distort them into place, but even that won't look quite as good as just drawing the dots. Kinda made your own bed there.

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Anonymous Fri 02 Oct 2020 03:57:36 No.4906221 Report

Quoted By: >>4908276

>>4904479
come up with a simple arrangement of dots that are easier to manage. if you've designed your characters with the initial intent of animating them, then any randomness like freckles and hair should be planned out for every single view. relying on your rendering skills and nice brushes will not yield good results when it comes to keeping consistently good animation, since great animation comes from the lines and form.
use basic shape markers to help you out rather than trying to inconsistently eyeball it every shot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Oct 2020 02:17:08 No.4908276 Report

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>>4906221
I feel like making a box/grid connecting some facial features and placing them relative to that would be easier than your pic related. There's nothing to reference and I can't imagine keeping the distances between things consistent over many frames like that.

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Anonymous Sat 03 Oct 2020 03:54:09 No.4908401 Report

Quoted By: >>4908523

>>4858690
I did a commission for The Minute Hour that was published today. I think it came off well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYmB2i-QP80

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Oct 2020 05:48:14 No.4908523 Report

Quoted By: >>4908552 >>4908559

>>4908401
How do you go about your prices for animation comissions? How much money did they pay? And how much time they gave you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Oct 2020 06:21:08 No.4908552 Report

Quoted By: >>4908587 >>4908632

>>4908523
Since it was like a minute of half of animation, I asked for two months since I take my time. (I should work harder and faster though) He paid me $500 and while that seems low for professional animators, I think it was fair for the level of commitment. The guy seems pretty chill and I respect that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Oct 2020 06:24:17 No.4908559 Report

Quoted By: >>4912468

>>4908523
Also he contacted me so I don't usually put myself out there for commissions

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Oct 2020 06:51:22 No.4908587 Report

Quoted By: >>4908684 >>4910822 >>4912468

>>4908552
That's very low for professional animators, starting salary for a studio job in Canada is a little over $900 a week

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Oct 2020 07:32:35 No.4908632 Report

Quoted By: >>4908684 >>4908705 >>4910248 >>4910822

>>4908552
That is ridiculously low. Im kind of annoyed its people like you who are making studios believe they can get away with paying animators nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Oct 2020 08:35:29 No.4908684 Report

Quoted By: >>4912468

>>4908632
>>4908587
For someone who is managing their own channel, I can understand a low rate; Individual youtubers can't pay ridiculous prices for animators no matter how much they deserve a higher pay. Look, I'd love to be paid thousands of dollars for this shit, but no one is willing to put out that kind of money for that kind of work unless you prove yourself on a real professional level. No one is going to pay you thousands of dollars for animation work unless you're popular enough to ensure you'll garner them views.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Oct 2020 08:51:11 No.4908705 Report

Quoted By: >>4910248 >>4910822

>>4908632
I understand you're point though. I'm no professional but I maybe could have asked for more and I'd be entitled to it. I just have a feeling, especially with youtube being a cesspit for animation at this point, that most people willing to commission animation are doing the best they can and probably can't afford the kind of rates animators deserve

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Anonymous Sat 03 Oct 2020 12:48:57 No.4909005 Report

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>>4863777
No, actually just sell your soul

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 00:43:11 No.4910248 Report

Quoted By: >>4910392 >>4910822

>>4908632
>>4908705
I think is kind of a fair price, for the quality of that animation they gave anon a lot of time i’ve been in situations where i had to shit out similar things to that video in less than 2 weeks for way less money but that’s because my country isn’t used to hiring animators yet and i was really dumb back then

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:14:58 No.4910392 Report

Quoted By: >>4910822

>>4910248
Honestly it was my first commission and I'm very new to this. Two weeks sounds really short though for a minute and a half but maybe my work eithic is just really terrible. That being said, I might be wrong, maybe I should have asked for more but I dont know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:21:38 No.4910822 Report

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>>4908587
>>4908632
>>4908705
>>4910248
>>4910392
The main difference between the professional industry and general YouTube work is that the rates are just so vastly apart from one another. Most average YouTube channels with 100k-500k subscribers barely make the amount of money most people expect it would. Websites like Socialblade also exaggerate these numbers into astronomical values because they just go by the raw numbers regardless of whatever individual channel's CPM rates are. This makes it seem like they're earning way more, but they could possibly be making just a fraction of it.
Most YouTube channels can usually afford the bare minimum, and the wages I've seen go from $5/sec-$10/sec. These rates are typically measured in the amount of seconds or minutes the animation rounds up to in the end and doesn't count for individual drawings; so things like holds, 2s, 3s, and camera pans don't matter, just as long as the animation is done.
For example, I've done animation work for Pencilmation, and I've worked at barely 1/4 industry wage. Although I have also animated entire 4 minute shorts for them. The low animation rate makes sense the further you scale the length of the animation itself. Wages in the professional animation industry are calculated by the fact that animators are assigned specific shots and the rates are usually accounted for the shot's length. $50+/sec makes a lot of sense when you're always animating shots that average about eight seconds in length. Whereas a lot of YouTube "studios" could hire a specific animator for an entire short, so the wage is reduced. Working at $50/sec for a 2min-3min short would be an incredibly huge loss on the commissioner.
YouTube work is what it is. It's not industry, so therefore it wont be able to afford industry wages. Although YouTube has slowly become a good place for small online studios to spread their wings and create good animation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:47:23 No.4912154 Report

Quoted By: >>4912440

>>4895655
his animation is weird, floaty and disturbs me
https://youtu.be/hDRMeeuP3F0 this in particular gives me nightmares

but i guess the book is ok as a starting point to teach you some principles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:10:38 No.4912440 Report

Quoted By: >>4912467

>>4912154
>his animation is weird, floaty and disturbs me
I think Richard Williams is a great animator but his stuff really does look floaty. He likes to put everything on 1's. I think a mixture of 1's and 2's works best. On 3's just looks bad.

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:28:46 No.4912467 Report

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>>4912440
ive seen great animation on 3s, even 4s. if its done well its can work

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:29:36 No.4912468 Report

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>>4908587
>>4908559
>>4908684
Sorry, I didn't mean to be too aggressive with my post, I just wanted to confirm your statement that $500 is fairly low for professional animators. For the client and for the easy going time frame, the price is as reasonable as you are comfortable taking it. It seemed like a fun job, and for what it's worth the video is actually pretty well done, so good on you for that. If it didn't feel like too much work, you just got paid $500 to practice making something

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:44:23 No.4912495 Report

Quoted By: >>4913823 >>4914414

>>4896818
Can I have a link to the previous discussion?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 15:38:26 No.4913823 Report

Quoted By: >>4914414

>>4912495
it's on the previous thread. Just check the archives

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 20:30:17 No.4914414 Report

Quoted By: >>4914419

>>4912495
>>4913823

nah it was this thread, but the Richard Williams fanboy got his posts deleted, not sure why since they were way past the 'delete yourself' timeframe, maybe he got banned or the mods disagreed lmao

>>4870496
>>4870484
>>4870346

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 20:32:56 No.4914419 Report

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>>4914414
also funny to note, the anon was hard denying that he was same-fagging but somehow this happens lmao >>4872406

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 22:36:58 No.4914724 Report

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>>4898720
it is literally impossible to tell, in fact you can flip it back and forth using your mind only

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Oct 2020 02:22:52 No.4915118 Report

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>>4872555
Please make one, you have such a cute style

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