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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 05:48:36 2017 No.97016703 View Reply Original Report

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Let's talk about Jim Shooter's opinion about current Marvel

https://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2017/11/19/interview-legendary-marvel-comics-editor-in-chief-jim-shooter-on-the-current-state-of-marvel-creator-incentives-and-more/

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 05:49:40 No.97016717 Report

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we already did

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 05:52:55 No.97016778 Report

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He's right, but that doesn't mean he's right.
Oh wait yes it does.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 05:55:13 No.97016816 Report

Quoted By: >>97016834 >>97016854 >>97017131 >>97018893 >>97019902

If Marvel is so bad, why don't you guys just ignore them until they get better and read Image comics?

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 05:55:54 No.97016834 Report

Quoted By: >>97017066

>>97016816
>why don't you guys just ignore them until they get better

I do

>and read Image comics?

Image is also bad

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 05:56:52 No.97016854 Report

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>>97016816
I'm doing that

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 06:09:50 No.97017066 Report

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>>97016834
Yeah, but Image is the right sort of bad.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 06:10:28 No.97017079 Report

Quoted By: >>97017212

Marvel has been a dumpster fire since Shooter left. Not because he left, but because of the same reasons that caused him to leave.

A good EIC and good lineup of creators still wouldn't solve the real problems plaguing both Marvel and the industry.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 06:11:53 No.97017110 Report

Quoted By: >>97017308

>jim
>shooter
>has never actually shot anyone

wtf is this bullshit

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 06:12:49 No.97017131 Report

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>>97016816
its hard to when you love the characters but hate the stories.

>tfw there will probably never be another good spiderman story

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 06:17:33 No.97017212 Report

Quoted By: >>97017491

>>97017079
He may or may not have been an asshole but he made Marvel great again.

Claremont X-Men
Frank Miller Daredevil
John Byrne Fantastic Four
Simonson Thor
Roger Stern Amazing Spider-Man
George Perez Avengers...

And then that's not even talking about the great new stuff he introduced under his reign as EIC... Tomb of Dracula, Moon Knight, New Mutants, Shang-Chi, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Werewolf by Night, Ghost Rider, GI Joe, ROM Spaceknight, Micronauts, Conan etc.

Not a single title would sale less than like 100k back then.

Marvel is utter shit now

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 06:18:55 No.97017235 Report

Quoted By: >>97017398 >>97017491

>Marvel is run by financial people. The place is infamous for its political atmosphere. Artists are considered commodities. Readers are regarded as zombies.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 06:23:41 No.97017308 Report

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>>97017110

He's a straight shooter.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 06:28:58 No.97017398 Report

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>>97017235
That's pretty great, actually

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 06:35:15 No.97017491 Report

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>>97017235
Yet people still think Marvel only recently became bad or that SJWs are behind all the problems.

>>97017212
>Not a single title would sale less than like 100k back then.
But the fact that this is no longer the case isn't because Marvel is shit now (though it is), but because the entire market has shrunken. Just a couple years ago Marvel was selling extremely well yet they still had only one or two books that could be lucky enough to sell 100k.

If someone like Shooter or another great EIC came back, got all great creators who were really enthusiastic and loved the material, even if they managed to create work on par with those legendary runs, Marvel would still have maybe one or two non-events that could sell over 100k or even close to that. Just look at DC, where readers and creators seem very happy right now, yet the only non-event to approach 100k is Batman.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 08:05:30 No.97018794 Report

Quoted By: >>97019829

>>97017491
That's the fault of the restrictive distribution system that fails to make comics easily accessible to anything other than hobbyists that either or both of the massive corporations that own DC/Marvel could easily change or break entirely out of, but don't because they see the comics as just IP farms for their film franchises.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 08:16:38 No.97018893 Report

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>>97016816
The vocal majority of /co/ may do that, but that's only like 50 people.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 10:06:08 No.97019829 Report

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>>97018794

This is correct, it is Diamond Distribution and the specialist comic shop model that needs to die in order for the comics industry to really grow and live. It is a hard fact to swallow for us nerds, but the stereotypical neighborhood comics shop has been a dead end for almost 30 years now and is not a viable way to sell a product and expand a customer base.

Fucking Archie sells more than pretty much every DC and Marvel book because it can be bought at the check out line at the grocery store. Imagine a Spider Man book, or a Super Friends book there instead? DC did very well for a long time pushing Vertigo titles and graphic novels into book stores, surely that can be seized and expanded upon, especially as book stores have been seeing a resurgence after a long downturn? How many people might buy a Batman book if it was on the magazine rack at the convenience store? All of these other avenues of distribution need to be explored and utilized, but there are many obstacles to that as long as Diamond keeps their grip on things.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Nov 2017 10:14:52 No.97019902 Report

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>>97016816
Because shitting on them is enjoyable and makes companyfags like you butthurt.

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