>>96220511That's why you discuss through feats, or you ended up like those Hulk fanboys (His strength equals is rage, so is infinite, he's the strongest fictional character), or the DBZ fanboys (his powerlevel, reeee)....
Oh well, Saitama fanboys already exist tho...
The only way to discuss fictional (no toon force ) characters is through feats... You can say; He's a joke character, his strenght is infinite, and whatever masturbatory argument like that, but at the end of the day, there's only one way to have a real nerdy discussion about it, through feats...
Everything that you said, can be applied to a Hulk fanboy argument; We don't know his real limits, we don't know how strong he really is, and that's the problem to put him against characters from other franchises.