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Johns on Doomsday Clock

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 14:35:06 2017 No.95511861 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>95512306 >>95512462 >>95512807 >>95516737 >>95521564

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jFwhIjlR5g

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 15:06:47 No.95512306 Report

Quoted By: >>95519819

>>95511861
Perfect. So it is more a clash of tone and narrative than Watchmen comes to the DCU. That's exactly what I expected and hoped for.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 15:16:29 No.95512462 Report

Quoted By: >>95519819

>>95511861
I'm pretty hyped, if nothing else, for the amount of discussion threads /co/ is going to have

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 15:35:15 No.95512759 Report

Quoted By: >>95512814 >>95512833 >>95513959 >>95514483 >>95520784 >>95521013

Which of the two possible outcomes would be worse?
>It's straight-up shit
>It's shit but panders enough so that fanboys think it's good

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 15:38:44 No.95512807 Report

Quoted By: >>95519580

>>95511861
Oh baby, this is going to be some shit lads. Can't wait

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 15:39:28 No.95512814 Report

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>>95512759

The latter.

It's slightly more fun if EVERYBODY is screaming "THIS IS BULLSHIIIITTTT!!!"

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 15:40:31 No.95512833 Report

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>>95512759

Adversely...

What is the best possible outcome?

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 15:56:11 No.95513068 Report

Quoted By: >>95513150 >>95513426 >>95515685

>>95512833
>What is the best possible outcome?

That in the end those ten years that were stolen, those relationships lost, legacies, and missing heroes are remembered and / or returned to continuity. Everything pre-flashpoint.

I'm not saying that the characters should age, they can stay young but with their lost memories of another time.

Some things that I'd like to see addressed:

> 3 Jokers
> Legion
> PRIME TIME
> Cyborg remembering the Titans (even if he stays in JL)
> Wally remembering his kids, for FUCKS SAKE
> JSA
> Parallax Hal Jordan (I realize this has nothing to do with Rebirth, but he's out there and I miss him).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 16:01:32 No.95513150 Report

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>>95513068
>Parallax Hal Jordan
Only if he's written as his Zero Hour incarnation (no fear bug)

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 16:11:24 No.95513318 Report

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>>95513150
>Only if he's written as his Zero Hour incarnation (no fear bug)

That fear bug was such bullshit...but I've learned to live with it,there was still a big part of Hal in control.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 16:19:29 No.95513426 Report

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>>95513068
Why do people get invested in big 2 capeshit when this is the kind of struggle it puts them through?

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 16:30:15 No.95513571 Report

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>>95513426
>Why do people get invested in big 2 capeshit when this is the kind of struggle it puts them through?

1: Not that big of a "struggle",more like an annoyance, unless you're an autistic faggot.
2: Some stories are very solid entertainment (not deep or groundbreaking, just fun).
3: Escapism.
4: Nostalgia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 16:54:16 No.95513959 Report

Quoted By: >>95514320

>>95512759
The latter is worse because idiots will be defending it forever with "Woah, Ozymandias met Lex? They're both so smart!!! EPIC!!" and because I have autism it will frustrate me

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 17:15:02 No.95514320 Report

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>>95513959
>"Woah, Ozymandias met Lex? They're both so smart!!! EPIC!!"

Other than that, I think the concept of Manhattan creating the DCU because he was so tired or jaded from his own, is an interesting idea. And he made a universe with several super powered beings, no less. A universe with heroes that save and help mankind almost on a daily basis.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 17:22:00 No.95514435 Report

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Dark Days actually worth reading?

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 17:24:46 No.95514483 Report

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>>95512759
The second one. Casuals still fawn over how great infinite crisis was and how Johns is a genius for Superboy prime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 18:27:05 No.95515685 Report

Quoted By: >>95516287

>>95513068
> 3 Jokers
Hopefully
> Legion
Given Saturn Girl and Emerald Empress appearing in Batman and Supergirl, this is probable
> PRIME TIME
Unlikely, but that would be super
> Cyborg remembering the Titans (even if he stays in JL)
That would be cool but I doubt it
> Wally remembering his kids, for FUCKS SAKE
If he remembers Linda, this is inevitable
> JSA
Given Johnny Thunder and Jay Garrick's brief appearances, this is also inevitable
> Parallax Hal Jordan (I realize this has nothing to do with Rebirth, but he's out there and I miss him).
I could do without

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 18:53:21 No.95516199 Report

Quoted By: >>95522250

I just told my LCS today that I want this on my list. Hearing him double down on the election thing is a bit disconcerting honestly. If issue one has Trump renaming the Keene act the Trump Act or some shit like that I'll lose it. Or I bet we see Baldwin-impression trump with his finger on "the button" and Manhattan wanting to restart it all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 18:57:19 No.95516287 Report

Quoted By: >>95522533

>>95515685

So that's it, for me, good enough outcome.

I mean, this whole Watchmen thing is quite clearly a gimmick to fix some things they fucked up with the New 52 relaunch. They've all but acknowledged that by now.

> How do we explain so many erased storylines, characters and compressed bullshit,?
> Manhattan messed with reality.
> The end.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 19:20:25 No.95516737 Report

Quoted By: >>95517118

>>95511861
Day 1. The asshurt Moorefags just make it all the more appealing.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 19:38:33 No.95517118 Report

Quoted By: >>95517141 >>95517722

>>95516737
>The asshurt Moorefags

I hope Moore himself comments on it. That's always a blast to read.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 19:39:36 No.95517141 Report

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>>95517118
>Where are the snakes and the sex
I agree

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 20:06:39 No.95517722 Report

Quoted By: >>95517851

>>95517118
>mfw he says he actually kinda likes it

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 20:12:23 No.95517851 Report

Quoted By: >>95518276 >>95519861 >>95520196 >>95520846

>>95517722

>Moore liking anything DC does.

>(...) This was said with the kind of understanding that if they gave me back the rights to WATCHMEN, then I would in return sign over the rights to secondary properties such as, oh I don’t know, Rorschach comic books, sequels, prequels, all of these things…

TV series, things like that?

>Yeah, all of these things, potentially, when you think about the different mediums these could be exploited in. Potentially endless properties that could be spun off of WATCHMEN. Now, I stepped in and said to Dave that actually, no I had grown so sick of WATCHMEN over these last 18 months that I didn’t want the rights back anymore. If they had offered them back to me back when I wanted them, ten, twenty years ago, then maybe this could have all been resolved in a friendly fashion. But no, I wasn’t going to take the rights back at this stage after they had pretty much, in my opinion, raped what I had thought to be a pretty decent work of art. I didn’t want them throwing me back the spent and exhausted carcass of my work and certainly not under terms that would apparently allow them to go on producing witless sequels and prequels ad infinitum.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/09/09/alan-moore-speaks-watchmen-2-to-adi-tantimedh/

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 20:34:36 No.95518276 Report

Quoted By: >>95518399

>>95517851
anon, where the fuck do you think you are. Do you think you've provided me some new information?

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 20:41:50 No.95518399 Report

Quoted By: >>95518413

>>95518276

Calm your tits, dude. It's a very fun read, even if you've read it before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 20:42:48 No.95518413 Report

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>>95518399
the point was you took a sarcastic post to unload your favorite moore interview.

Everyone know's Alan Moore's feelings about DC, and american comics in general.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 21:44:44 No.95519580 Report

Quoted By: >>95519747

>>95512807
I haven't been this excited to hate-read something in a loooong time.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 21:52:37 No.95519747 Report

Quoted By: >>95519844

>>95519580
>I haven't been this excited to hate-read something in a loooong time.
Not even for America? Fuck out of here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 21:56:15 No.95519819 Report

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>>95512306
>>95512462
>DC interns

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 21:57:28 No.95519844 Report

Quoted By: >>95520760

>>95519747
I don't care enough about that fucking bullshit character to read that trash. I love DC and Watchmen and this is going to be a steaming dump all over both of them. I'm a fucking masochist so I can't look away.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 21:58:54 No.95519861 Report

Quoted By: >>95519909

>>95517851

Man, Moore is such a savage dick. I love his work though even if he doesn't.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:01:26 No.95519909 Report

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>>95519861
This is how a fucking writer acts. Petty, vindictive, furious. Take note, Scott Snyder, you company man camp counselor "EVERYONE IS MY BEST FRIEEEEEND" hack mother fucker.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:16:39 No.95520196 Report

Quoted By: >>95520846

>>95517851
>At the end of the day, if they haven’t got any properties that are valuable enough, but they have got these ‘top-flight industry creators’ that are ready to produce these prequels and sequels to WATCHMEN, well this is probably a radical idea, but could they not get one of the ‘top-flight industry creators’ to come up with an idea of their own? Why are DC Comics trying to exploit a comic book that I wrote 25 years ago if they have got anything? Sure they ought to have had an equivalent idea since? I could ask about why Marvel Comics are churning out or planning to bring out my ancient MARVELMAN stories, which are even older, if they had a viable idea of their own in the quarter-century since I wrote those works. I mean, surely that would be a much easier solution than all of this clandestine stuff? Just simply get some of your top-flight talent to put out a book that the wider public outside of the comics field find as interesting or as appealing as the stuff that I wrote 25 years ago. It shouldn’t be too big an ask, should it? I wouldn’t have thought so. And it would solve an awful lot of problems. They must have one creator, surely, in the entire American industry that could do equivalent work to something I did 25 years ago. It would be insulting to think that there weren’t.

And they still haven't done equivalent work.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:33:37 No.95520503 Report

Quoted By: >>95520538 >>95520551 >>95520566

Do you fucking people ever just read comics for enjoyment? You know, for fun? I must be a very small percent of people who think stories like this are interesting. It's not going to ruin watchmen, the story still exists by itself and it doesn't have to be part of any canon continuity if you don't want it to be

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:35:17 No.95520538 Report

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>>95520503
Your problem is assuming this board reads comics.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:35:29 No.95520546 Report

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Johns' resume is only filled with action comics, why does anyone think he's capable of writing this well?

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:35:42 No.95520551 Report

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>>95520503
>Do you fucking people ever just read comics for enjoyment? You know, for fun?
Yes, and when comics are written which are very bad fanfiction of much better ones, I will have fun reading them for the purposes of mockery.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:36:23 No.95520566 Report

Quoted By: >>95520587 >>95520626

>>95520503
>it doesn't have to be part of any canon continuity if you don't want it to be

but DC wants you to think exactly the opposite

otherwise why would they make such a being push about these specific characters

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:37:25 No.95520587 Report

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>>95520566
*big push*

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:39:43 No.95520626 Report

Quoted By: >>95520692

>>95520566
It's only Manhattan so far, and the real hook is what's going to be the effect on the DCU once this is over. Doc will fuck off somewhere else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:42:31 No.95520692 Report

Quoted By: >>95520741

>>95520626
If they can use them once, they can use them as many times as they want.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:45:00 No.95520741 Report

Quoted By: >>95520830

>>95520692
And that still won't affect the source material. Cry more though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:46:03 No.95520760 Report

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>>95519844
Honestly would anyone miss you if you died tomorrow? Think about that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:46:47 No.95520784 Report

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>>95512759
I think the more likely outcome is that it starts off strong then peters out at the end. Nearly any big story Johns does does not live up to its potential.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:49:06 No.95520830 Report

Quoted By: >>95520867 >>95520904

>>95520741
It won't affect it... but it will keep DC stuck in 1986.

Meanwhile Vertigo dies a slow death and Image receives all the books that DC could have published.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:49:50 No.95520846 Report

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>>95520196
>>95517851
I'm sorry, not to interrupt the Circle-Jerk but even fucking Moore struggles to leave behind those comics from years ago considering people barely give a crap about his other stuff nor do people find his other stuff as appealing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:50:50 No.95520867 Report

Quoted By: >>95520904

>>95520830
Vertigo has been dead since Karen Berger left.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:52:13 No.95520904 Report

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>>95520830
Image is killing Vertigo because it's more tantalizing for writers knowing that they'll make money if it eventually gets adapted.

>>95520867
Vertigo's been dead even before that. The last good thing Berger probably did was scouting King.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:53:29 No.95520937 Report

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OH BOY I CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT UPCOMING V FOR VENDETTA/ANARKY/BATMAN CROSSOVER

YOU KNOW IT'S COMING SOONER OR LATER

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 22:57:16 No.95521013 Report

Quoted By: >>95522075

>>95512759
The latter, by far. If it's pure shit, it'll be forgotten/ignored eventually, and straight up disliked. Any discussion about it would be about how much is sucks (see: Identity Crisis, America, etc).

If it's pander-polished shit, you'll have enough people unironically liking it that it will be genuinely defended. It will still get brought up years down the line by these same people as a recommended read, even though it's complete trash. Sides will be taken and everyone loses.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 23:27:53 No.95521564 Report

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>>95511861

Can't wait for based Cereal King to feed me a juicy steak from the rump of a sacred cow!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Sep 2017 23:56:52 No.95522075 Report

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>>95521013
>Identity Crisis

I like it =)

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Anonymous Sat 23 Sep 2017 00:07:28 No.95522250 Report

Quoted By: >>95522316

>>95516199
I think Johns was more referencing what happened after the election. I.E the left losing their collective shit.

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Anonymous Sat 23 Sep 2017 00:11:44 No.95522316 Report

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>>95522250
I sincerely doubt it but sincerely hope it. if he gives a modak moment I'll be very likely to drop that shit instantly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Sep 2017 00:15:36 No.95522382 Report

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>>95513426
>Why do people get invested in big 2 capeshit when this is the kind of struggle it puts them through?

Its only a struggle for spergs. Normal people just accept it and are still fine with it because reasons, and other people give up because they're too poor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Sep 2017 00:18:16 No.95522427 Report

Quoted By: >>95522483

Grant Morrison is the Alan Moore of comic books.

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Anonymous Sat 23 Sep 2017 00:21:14 No.95522483 Report

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>>95522427
Jeph Loeb is the Alan Moore of Grant Morrisons.

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Anonymous Sat 23 Sep 2017 00:24:09 No.95522533 Report

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>>95516287
I mean… that was pretty much the basis for Infinite Crisis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Sep 2017 00:31:43 No.95522653 Report

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Does anyone think the watchmen characters will stick aorund after doomsday clock is over? I think it's pretty obvious most of them if not all will be erased from the continuity again.

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