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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 06:25:27 2017 No.94005724 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>94005817 >>94006189 >>94006221 >>94007846 >>94009019 >>94009726 >>94010640 >>94012896 >>94014460

Is the general agreement that MCU Captain America is legitimately superhuman, with the Ultimate Universe's strength and durability and 616's morals? The man managed to punch Loki and throw around Ultron.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 06:32:47 No.94005817 Report

Quoted By: >>94005865 >>94006221

>>94005724
>The man managed to punch Loki
Jane slapped him.
The Mcu Asgardians are the weak link.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 06:37:21 No.94005865 Report

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>>94005817
You can react to something hitting you without actually feeling it that much, like a styrofome ball hitting you. It's all about reactions and being surprised and that stuff.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 07:08:29 No.94006177 Report

Quoted By: >>94006204 >>94008035 >>94011416

He is clearly well beyond peak human, but perhaps not quite at ultimate Cap's level. Ultimate cap was able to go to to toe with the hulk for a short bit.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 07:09:55 No.94006189 Report

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>>94005724
Not Ultimate Cap's level of strength, or racism, but a few tons at the very least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 07:11:09 No.94006203 Report

Quoted By: >>94006300

Peak humanity is an impossible standard in the first place. There's effectively no difference between being peak and being super.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 07:11:14 No.94006204 Report

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>>94006177
hulk just wasn't that mad

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 07:13:10 No.94006221 Report

Quoted By: >>94009291 >>94012930

>>94005817
Loki is bullet proof. Jane may have slapped him but it sure as hell didn't hurt him

>>94005724
The dude threw a motorcycle. Harley Davidsons tend to range between 500 and 900 pounds on average. And he threw it. Hard. Hes super human. Not Spidey level strength, but certainly stronger than peak human.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 07:15:17 No.94006243 Report

Quoted By: >>94013031

I never got the feeling Loki was all that strong.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 07:19:02 No.94006280 Report

Quoted By: >>94006496 >>94007725 >>94007745

>>Best Cap uniform in best MCU movie
How did we get so lucky?

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 07:20:53 No.94006300 Report

Quoted By: >>94007905 >>94013031

>>94006203
This. If you're as strong as the world's strongest man, while being as fast as the world's fastest man, while having the endurance of a marathon runner, you're superhuman, because no actual fit person can achieve so high in all the measures of human fitness.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 07:40:27 No.94006496 Report

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>>94006280

Based russo bros

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 07:54:22 No.94006607 Report

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 09:27:37 No.94007406 Report

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What if he had every mutant power as a result of being peak human?

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 09:35:53 No.94007471 Report

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 09:55:45 No.94007618 Report

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>>94007406B
Mutants aren't human.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 10:12:01 No.94007725 Report

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>>94006280
>Hydra? I am America.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 10:14:34 No.94007745 Report

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>>94006280
>How did we get so lucky?
Cause based Russos

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 10:30:43 No.94007846 Report

Quoted By: >>94007882 >>94008503 >>94010827

>>94005724
He seems to get gradually stronger with every movie. In the first film he was barely more impressive than the soldiers. Literally any 80s or 90s action hero did way crazier shit. But in in the Civil War he hold back a helicopter with one hand and went toe to toe with Spider-Man for a while.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 10:32:04 No.94007858 Report

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>>94007618
that's racist

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 10:34:43 No.94007882 Report

Quoted By: >>94007911

>>94007846
> and went toe to toe with Spider-man for a while

To be fair Spidey is know for pulling his punches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 10:37:43 No.94007905 Report

Quoted By: >>94007959 >>94010723

>>94006300
>while having the endurance of a marathon runner

Actually, Comic's Cap is better than peak in this category. Canonically, his muscles don't produce fatigue poisons. Figure that shit out.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 10:38:45 No.94007911 Report

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>>94007882
Peter also gets stronger with age. He didn't start at ten tons.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 10:45:17 No.94007959 Report

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>>94007905
>Canonically his muscles don't produce fatigue poisons

There are guys in real life who are almost like that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3588109/Super-human-marathon-runner-Dean-Karnazes-jog-350-miles-without-stopping-thanks-rare-genetic-condition.html

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 10:50:35 No.94007998 Report

Quoted By: >>94008022

I have a theory that his superhumanity is tied to his heroism due to the superserum's weird ruleset that it "makes you more of what you are." Basically every time Captain America does the hero thing, especially when it is hard and morally trying, he gets a power boost. Civil War was Captain America getting a MASSIVE power boost from saving his friend and sticking up for his morals. That whole "you tell the world to move" speech is like a power mantra to him.

That is why stuff that would have steamrolled him in The First Avenger he can just shrug off by Age of Ultron. Steve will only get more powerful until he betrays his morals.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 10:54:09 No.94008022 Report

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>>94007998
I actually really like this idea and hope they do something like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 10:56:08 No.94008035 Report

Quoted By: >>94011285

>>94006177
So did Blonski in Incredible Hulk and his serum was supposedly super-soldier serum or a derivative.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 11:58:09 No.94008503 Report

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>>94007846
You should watch the Cap/Spidey fight again. Cap doesn't beat him with strength. It's all leverage and angles.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 12:08:29 No.94008577 Report

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>>94007618
FUCKING NORMIES GET OFF MY /CO/
It's 2017 you fucker, you think you can get away with this kind of shit? Mark my fucking words, I'm assembling a strike team of fellow Homo SUPERIOR to crush you like the disgusting outmoded big you are.

Remember Genosha!

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 12:56:55 No.94009019 Report

Quoted By: >>94009223 >>94010962

>>94005724
>MCU Captain America is legitimately superhuman
Fuck off
If he was superhuman then he would have been able to take out that guy on the boat in Winter Soldier in a single punch rather than having to do that choreographed ninjutsu bullshit

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 13:16:39 No.94009223 Report

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>>94009019
Wasn't he wearing some kind of ninja armor?

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 13:23:17 No.94009286 Report

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Strength levels in the MCU are severely nerfed when compared to the comics.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 13:23:43 No.94009291 Report

Quoted By: >>94009664

>>94006221
This right here.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 13:40:23 No.94009457 Report

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>>94006607
I just want a captain america game done in the style and gameplay of MGS

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 13:55:51 No.94009664 Report

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>>94009291
Nah he's Peak Human, Peak Humans can throw Motorcycles.
Hard.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 14:00:52 No.94009726 Report

Quoted By: >>94011407

>>94005724
>Is the general agreement that MCU Captain America is legitimately superhuman
I'm not exactly sure...

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 14:06:19 No.94009795 Report

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No one knows where peak human ends and super starts.

So no.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 15:07:49 No.94010640 Report

Quoted By: >>94010672 >>94010872

>>94005724
He is a superhuman well beyond ultimate level. But fuck off, 616 would call this Steve a fascist.

Mcu Steve isnt a bad guy, but 616 would hate him in civil war.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 15:09:47 No.94010672 Report

Quoted By: >>94011985

>>94010640
>But fuck off, 616 would call this Steve a fascist.
OR WOULD HE

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 15:14:01 No.94010723 Report

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>>94007905
Peak human isn't peak out humans, peak humans are a fictional limit not based o. Reality, Olympic level is based on reality.

Peak humans are fiction al limits established in every fictional universe, in the case of dragon ball they can fly and make the moon explode, in the case of Popeye he can move planets. Peak humans are a meme older than capeshit.

Batman and Captain America would be superhumans in our universe but in their own they are not (616 was only superhuman after getting extra power and up until heroes reborn and then again during bru's run, but he was considered enhanced human like deathstroke), Tarzan, Conan, doc savage, all of them were the basis for what capeshit calls peak human.

So stop comparing them with real humans.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 15:20:55 No.94010827 Report

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>>94007846
>He seems to get gradually stronger with every movie. In the first film he was barely more impressive than the soldiers. Literally any 80s or 90s action hero did way crazier shit.

Dude, what. He left a fist-sized indent in metal, tossed a guy twenty feet vertically with one arm, routinely killed people with single blows, held a motorcycle with three people on it over his head for several minutes, outran a car, punched through submarine glass UNDERWATER, and tons of other crazy shit.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 15:24:24 No.94010872 Report

Quoted By: >>94010909

>>94010640
Why exactly?
Cap's stance and actions in MCU were much less radical than his stance in the comics.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 15:26:27 No.94010909 Report

Quoted By: >>94011070 >>94011234

>>94010872
Interventionism is radical, 616 would never shat on sovereignty or freedom as mcu

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 15:30:19 No.94010962 Report

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>>94009019
I think the better argument is that if he was superhuman he'd have punched Tony's armor in Civil War and the fight would have been over like that.
Steve and Bucky definitely can do damage to it, but it clearly takes exertion.
Meanwhile someone like Spider-Man and Hulk who are superhuman appear to require very little effort to do equal or more.

I think people just find it hard to believe the things Cap does are human because our standard for human is fixed in the averages we come across. If we look at the highest capabilities of human achievement and start blending them that's when you have a better idea of where someone like a Super Soldier should be, but it's hard to do because as some anons have already demonstrated here once you begin imagining someone with that much capability your mind immediately shifts to thinking them superhuman because it's so far from what's the average.

I wish I could find that image of a letter dictating the solo accomplishments of a soldier that on superheroic, it's what convinced me that just because something sounds unbelievable doesn't mean it isn't true, it just means we have little belief.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 15:37:24 No.94011070 Report

Quoted By: >>94011179

>>94010909
Isn't that pretty much what he does whenever he goes to another country or saves the whole planet?
Plus given the context 616 would be completely alright with Cap going into other countries to stop hordes of killer robots and capturing rogue Hydra agents.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 15:46:22 No.94011179 Report

Quoted By: >>94011291

>>94011070
Thing is your morality isn't the same and his. Even ultimate cap was against interventionism after the ultimates 2 fuck up. 616 holds freedom and sovereignty higher than you, and the context of 616 includes that when there's killer robots those countries ask for help or the teams are already invited. That's why wakanda and latveria are a big deal. As for other planets in the context of war sovereignty is actually secundary and some planets may not value it. Think of democracy, democracy is a western value that other cultures don't give a shit about, some cultures place order over freedom and equality over self determination, society over individual, etc. Sovereignty is one of the extremely few things everyone in the planet wants outside nations without countries like the gypsies or multi regional tribes.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 15:50:27 No.94011234 Report

Quoted By: >>94011272 >>94011384 >>94011410

>>94010909
"What if they send us somewhere we shouldn't go?"
Steve was fighting AGAINST interventionism. The Accords would have turned the Avengers into the USA's black ops. No more stopping terrorists from stealing biological weapons in Lagos. It's all toppling African governments.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 15:52:55 No.94011272 Report

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>>94011234
>Steve was fighting AGAINST interventionism.
At least type the entire quote:
>What if this panel sends us somewhere we don't think we should go? What if there's somewhere we need to go and they don't let us?

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 15:53:40 No.94011285 Report

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>>94008035
Blonski wasn't able to sweep the leg

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 15:53:54 No.94011291 Report

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>>94011179
>Already invited
Korea sure as fuck didn't invite Cap to Best Korea to fuck up their K-Men program.
And then there's AvX...which really I'd rather not mark Cap with but well he got all up in Utopia's shit.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 16:00:07 No.94011384 Report

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>>94011234
No, he was against interventionism that isn't his. Just like America wouldn't intervene in Gaza.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 16:02:03 No.94011407 Report

Quoted By: >>94011424 >>94011618

>>94009726
Who would win

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 16:02:12 No.94011410 Report

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>>94011234
The accords were not American. The Irak war was 100% American doing what is right, and telling those UN fags to fuck off.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 16:02:23 No.94011416 Report

Quoted By: >>94011449

>>94006177
How do we even know what "peak human" is?

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 16:03:31 No.94011423 Report

Quoted By: >>94011467

The thing people don't understand is that Steve is the overman and he gets to make the rules

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 16:03:32 No.94011424 Report

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>>94011407
Gaston, Steve doesn't have a good record against peak humans and Gaston is peak human as fuck.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 16:04:53 No.94011449 Report

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>>94011416
Read the thread, there's a long post about that. It's pretty much the accepted limit for humans in a fictional universe regardless if out wimpy humans can reach those peaks.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 16:06:03 No.94011467 Report

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>>94011423
He isn't, he is far from an ubermensch. He is just a good guy. It's just that his particular universe is shit.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 16:13:07 No.94011577 Report

Quoted By: >>94014399

>It's a "people try to muddy up the ethics of an individual who prevented the world from being taken over by a secret terrorist organization, who had infiltrated and sabotaged every level of security due to the corrupt and inept practice of the authorities put in place by the populace, because he happens to be a patriotic American" episode
Anyone else take pride in their country and it's admirable, not an American though. Nuh-uh. They're not allowed to be a good guy in this modern media atmosphere.

Funny, I recall another group of countrymen who faced similar ostracization just before and after a certain sequel to a certain war. I'm sure though there won't be any repeat circumstance, after all it's not like history repeats itself or anything when we fail to learn from it.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 16:14:55 No.94011618 Report

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>>94011407
Steve can literally put his fist through Gaston's chest. He is absolutely, ludicrously superhuman, while Gaston is only slightly superhuman by virtue of being a cartoon character.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 16:15:10 No.94011622 Report

Quoted By: >>94015595

Why do casuals like Iron Man and Spider-Man more than Cap?

https://youtu.be/QDhAyA3djWQ

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 16:39:17 No.94011985 Report

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>>94010672
he'd mean it as a compliment

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 17:18:51 No.94012896 Report

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>>94005724
We didn't know this already then he was lifting a motorcycle with girls on it for fun and holding a helicopter in place with his hands?

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 17:19:52 No.94012930 Report

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>>94006221
The man was slapped around against a marble floor for a while and only came out of it really sore.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 17:23:53 No.94013031 Report

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>>94006243
Thor seemed to have a lot of trouble wrestling with him in Avengers.

In 616 all asgardians are in that class 50 range so they are really strong compared to humans.

>>94006300
It's not brought up much but his brain is also peak human. He can fling his shield and have it bound each corner just perfectly to hit his target exactly where he wants because he does all the calculations in his head. Mix that with perfect hand-eye coordination and muscle control and he can throw the shield with the exact level of force in the perfect angle to make it bounce three times and whack something from behind.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 18:18:22 No.94014399 Report

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>>94011577
No one is saying that. Literally no one in this fucking thread said that.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 18:20:59 No.94014460 Report

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>>94005724

I liked the Loki fight but hated him being able to box with Ultron. Took a direct punch to the ribs and only groaned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 18:42:51 No.94015014 Report

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>>94007471
The best stinger I've seen in a while

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jul 2017 19:05:45 No.94015595 Report

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>>94011622
They are cooler. They are funnier. Cap's too serious for casuals to care.

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