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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 02:49:43 2017 No.93035463 View Reply Original Report

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>The Flintstones gets completely snubbed at Eisner's
>Mockingbird gets nominated for Best New Series

What did they mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 02:53:46 No.93035546 Report

Quoted By: >>93035578 >>93035670 >>93036268 >>93045128

Political agenda shit beats out actually decent comics to people who don't read comics in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 02:55:29 No.93035578 Report

Quoted By: >>93035629 >>93035649 >>93037217

>>93035546

Flintstones is like five times the political agenda but written five times as well!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 02:56:18 No.93035588 Report

Quoted By: >>93037234

>>93035463
Jews control the comics too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 02:58:30 No.93035629 Report

Quoted By: >>93035695

>>93035578
>five times the political agenda

I think you'll find that Flintstones is an 8 on the Agenda scale and Mockingbird is a solid 37

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 02:59:25 No.93035640 Report

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>>93035463
Neither of them deserve anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:00:08 No.93035649 Report

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>>93035578
Less agenda, more commentary.
Flintstones has an angle, but it was presented with nuance. It wasn't "I'm writing this to tell you that X is wrong and Y is right", it was "I'm writing this to show you how X is wrong, but in a way that doesn't make you uncomfortable or preached at."

Or something like that. Anyways, Flintstones didn't make headlines, so of course it's getting snubbed. The Eisners tend to snub anything non-Vertigo from DC; they nominated Multiversity: Pax Americana and passed on it, but gave an award to Silver Surfer for presenting the same themes of infinity but in a more superficial manner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:01:00 No.93035670 Report

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>>93035546
I don't even think it's that. The Eisners just seem to love fellating "real" authors over straight up comic writers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:02:36 No.93035695 Report

Quoted By: >>93036125 >>93036268

>>93035629

There's literally an issue where a character can't stop talking about how stupid capitalism is and it's 10 times better than the entirety of Mockingbird!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:04:21 No.93035734 Report

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it's politics man, Flintstones wasn't bashing trump hard enough for an award

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:07:35 No.93035792 Report

Quoted By: >>93035843

>>93035670
Also
>2017
>giving a shit about industry awards

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:10:06 No.93035843 Report

Quoted By: >>93036297 >>93038700 >>93039867

>>93035792
Thanks for outing yourself as a pleb. All the minor categories are given out based on actual merit. It's only the major awards that are driven by agendas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:24:01 No.93036078 Report

Quoted By: >>93036159 >>93036268

Normies didn't get it. Tumblr made fun of it cause "Serious Flintstones" and Newsarama gave it a 3/10 because it didn't get it. "They set up this character and he dies and it's treated like a joke? How disrespectful"
THAT IS THE POINT!!!!
It's like they think good political commentary is just there to make them feel warm and fuzzy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:26:47 No.93036125 Report

Quoted By: >>93036204

>>93035695
Because
>>A Bloo Bloo Bloo, why is it so hard to be a woman? If women ran the planet, there would be peace for all-Wait, is that bitch talking to my boyfriend?! Oh, I'm going to bust her ass open!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:28:32 No.93036159 Report

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>>93036078
I really don't understand how, it wasn't exactly subtle

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:29:46 No.93036190 Report

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>>93035463
How... how could they snub fucking FLINTSTONES? That's like the best fucking book in years!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:30:23 No.93036204 Report

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>>93036125
Name three wars in the last century that were started by women/a woman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:34:14 No.93036268 Report

Quoted By: >>93036325 >>93036383 >>93036562 >>93037210 >>93037866 >>93038772 >>93039221 >>93039751 >>93049511

>>93035546
>people who don't read comics in the first place.

The Eisners are exclusively voted on by people who work in comics, whether they're artists, writers, editors, or store owners.

They see more comics in a single year than you'll read in your life; they're better at telling from the first few pages whether to give something a shot than you'll ever be. Sometimes, because they're human, they get it wrong, but even then - for all of them to get it "wrong" implies that the book was badly put together.

Honestly, I didn't read either title. Neither appealed to me as a premise, and for the same reason: they're rehashes of something that's been done. Who gives a shit? Life's too short for reboots on reboots.

>>93035695
Ah, but that's simply revealing *your* agenda and priorities, not placing either title higher or lower on this fictive scale.

>>93036078
Many years ago there was a reboot of a popular cartoon franchise. A series of live-action movies followed; nobody much liked them, everybody agreed they were garbage, but they kept getting made.

Am I talking about The Transformers or The Flintstones?

It's not enough to say something has great writing so we should all watch it. That's the kind of shit that bronies say all the time; nobody believes them, and nobody believed you about the Flintstones, because it was a cartoon made to sell cigarettes that has lost pretty much all context over the years as the ads have been cut out and the jokes have become irrelevant dead air. It's the skeleton of a comedy, long after the flesh has rotted away; you can put new meat on those bones, but that doesn't make it appropriate or worth your time to do so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:35:42 No.93036292 Report

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>>93036204
well

Hitler was a dickgirl

everybody knows Galtieri was Eva Peron in drag

and...

shit, alright, you got me

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:35:50 No.93036293 Report

Quoted By: >>93037592

>>93036204
There have been numerous waifu wars, which by default are driven by women.

I actually read the Mockingbird stuff, just to be sure I wasn't hopping on a bandwagon of hate... it's pretty bad. They retcon out Bobbie's WCA rape into an affair for REASONS, and it's just embarrassing all around. Also the first 6 issues, I think, gave her super powers... but then they never come up again. It feels like a really pretentious "you bring your OWN interpretation!" bullshit things, but that's also why Marvel started dropping hints that the whole series was noncanon in the letter's page. The regular artist was pretty good, but I don't know if she can really do action because the script NEVER called for it. It was a waste of any degree of talent involved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:35:57 No.93036297 Report

Quoted By: >>93036423

>>93035843
How is it pleb to not give a shit about a committee of community insiders all patting themselves on the back? I'll go form my own opinions on what is and isn't good, thank you very much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:37:14 No.93036325 Report

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>>93036268
>Honestly, I didn't read either title
That's a lot of fucking talking for being so uninformed on either book. It's like you wrote your whole life story just to tell us your opinion doesn't matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:40:39 No.93036383 Report

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>>93036268
that's a lot of words for "I have no idea what I'm talking about, please ignore me."

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:41:35 No.93036402 Report

Quoted By: >>93049058

>>93036204
And you name three wars started by a man/men

You can't. because in the last century people don't start wars, capitalism does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:42:44 No.93036423 Report

Quoted By: >>93036593 >>93036647

>>93036297
So what, in your opinion, were the year's best comics for readers aged 9-12? What were the chief choices for graphic albums? What were the top of the line reality-based works? Can you tell me your thoughts on archival collections of works that are at least 20 years old? What stands out in the US editions of international material?

I don't mean to bully you, I'm just curious what opinions you might have formed about these.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:44:38 No.93036453 Report

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>>93035670
It's that self hatred

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:46:06 No.93036480 Report

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>>93035463
I'm just gonna say I love how they're absolutely fucking SHREDDED because Cavemen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:51:52 No.93036562 Report

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>>93036268
>That's the kind of shit that bronies say all the time; nobody believes them, and nobody believed you about the Flintstones, because it was a cartoon made to sell cigarettes
of all the retardation in your post, that is by far the most retarded thing because even the biggest fucking mongoloid could tell you that's not fucking true. Flintstones was just attempt for Hanna-Barbera to break into adult sitcoms also so they could rip off the Honeymooners as hard as humanly possible

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:53:19 No.93036593 Report

Quoted By: >>93036643

>>93036423
>age 9-12
probably DC Superhero Girls
>graphic album
I liked Terminal Lance and Dark Night: A True Batman Story
>archival collections
those Doom Patrol reprints and the Sandman Mystery Theatre collections were aces even if DC cancelled the SMT reprints
>US editions of international material
Fantagraphics did another run of The Eternaut after the first printing lasted slightly longer than a sneeze which is great for people who missed it the first time, and Humanoids continues to print Jodorowsky's bibliography including a new Metabaron series which is always top tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:54:15 No.93036606 Report

Quoted By: >>93036673 >>93036706

>>93035463
It doesn't matter. We had a good time and will always remember it. Didio kept is alive for us as long as he could. It's been a good run and I supported the official release at every point I could.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:56:27 No.93036643 Report

Quoted By: >>93036659 >>93036687 >>93038840

>>93036593
>Fantagraphics did another run of The Eternaut after the first printing lasted slightly longer than a sneeze which is great for people who missed it the first time
So you're nominating a comic that doesn't qualify, good to know.

I'm glad you're not on the committee.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:56:38 No.93036647 Report

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>>93036423
>bully
I don't feel that's bullying, but perhaps your protesting of it belies intent.
Honestly I have no opinions on these because they feel like arbitrary distinctions being made merely to inflate the ego of the critic. "Ooh, look at ALL these categories I've compartmentalized art into!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:57:34 No.93036659 Report

Quoted By: >>93036725

>>93036643
you asked what was good, not what I would nominate for an Eisner

so see previous image, I guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:58:35 No.93036673 Report

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>>93036606
and Mark Russell will continue to write for DC, so all is relatively well

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 03:59:38 No.93036687 Report

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>>93036643
I don't think you were curious at all, anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:00:42 No.93036706 Report

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>>93036606
Same. Pulled the singles, and I picked up the first trade. Plan to get the second as well; the trades are great to get people to read it.

If they put out an omni, I'd buy that, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:02:02 No.93036725 Report

Quoted By: >>93036743

>>93036659
I think it should be assumed on your part that when I'm asking you about the past year that I probably want to know about the past year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:02:55 No.93036743 Report

Quoted By: >>93036758

>>93036725
and Fantagraphics did a second printing of The Eternaut in the past year, which was good because the first printing was miniscule.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:03:34 No.93036752 Report

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>>93035463
>shell phone

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:04:02 No.93036758 Report

Quoted By: >>93036765

>>93036743
Printing more copies doesn't make it qualify a second time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:04:30 No.93036765 Report

Quoted By: >>93036790

>>93036758
I know, but you didn't ask what I'd nominate for an Eisner, did you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:06:18 No.93036790 Report

Quoted By: >>93036853

>>93036765
We're in a thread about the Eisners. I assumed you knew. My apologies.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:10:27 No.93036853 Report

Quoted By: >>93037426

>>93036790
it's actually a thread about how The Flintstones is better than Mockingbird and was unfairly denied its deserved recognition

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:18:32 No.93036982 Report

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>tfw it's over after today
We had a good run, lads

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:26:29 No.93037132 Report

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>>93035463
>thinking our god is a just one

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:30:44 No.93037210 Report

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>>93036268
>See more comics in a single year
If only they actually read them

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:31:06 No.93037217 Report

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>>93035578
This.
>the comic is good
>i read it

Plain and simple

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:32:09 No.93037234 Report

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>>93035588
This should surprise no one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:33:11 No.93037253 Report

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>>93036204
there's about three women who've had the authority to start wars in the last century.

there is too severe a lack of opportunity for your point to be reasonable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:44:41 No.93037426 Report

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>>93036853
Thank you, ceiling cave man for that insight.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:50:29 No.93037500 Report

Quoted By: >>93037523 >>93037526 >>93037620 >>93037672 >>93037781 >>93048793 >>93048830

Is a surprise?, come on Anon!, the number 11 of The Flintstones critize the hypocrisy of the self called libertarians, democrats, and the "left"...

1) Dont give a fuck about normal people like Fred
2) Be a rich asshole boss but talk about tolerance for others
3) Live in "nice" place for the diversity but give zero fucks about the real people
4) Even Gazoo become more based and gentle calling for this bullshit, nd even saved the humankind
5) The (((owners))) become richer with the pain of others also control the (((media)))

Fucking great comic..but you know, Shut it down!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:52:12 No.93037523 Report

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>>93037500
So fucking true!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:52:45 No.93037526 Report

Quoted By: >>93037591

>>93037500
this is about gentrification, not whatever you're talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:57:29 No.93037591 Report

Quoted By: >>93037629 >>93037672 >>93037703 >>93037709 >>93038105

>>93037526
Yeah...and who become more rich with the gentrification? Who demand more gentrification with public money and then become private?, yeah! The same people who control the (((media)))

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:57:33 No.93037592 Report

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>>93036293

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:59:21 No.93037620 Report

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>>93037500
Fucking hipster & (((gems)))

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 04:59:53 No.93037629 Report

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>>93037591
Not hipsters

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:02:29 No.93037672 Report

Quoted By: >>93037749

>>93037500
>>93037591
>((()))
This is the world's most clever emoji. It disguises itself as mere parentheses, but in reality it represents protective layers of tin foil, designed to keep taboo words away from the attention of dire forces.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:04:06 No.93037703 Report

Quoted By: >>93037770

>>93037591
Real estate slumlords?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:04:25 No.93037709 Report

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>>93037591
Agree...makes sense, Oh Vey!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:06:16 No.93037748 Report

Quoted By: >>93037889

>>93035463
>Awards
All of them are bullshit, I don't trust them.
Hell I go out of my way to avoid anything that won an award, as far as I'm concerned 9/10 times it's undeserved

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:06:17 No.93037749 Report

Quoted By: >>93037801 >>93038241

>>93037672
Do you say the same people who predicted the election of Donald Trump & Brexit?, Yeah! What know these dudes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:07:45 No.93037770 Report

Quoted By: >>93037785

>>93037703
Do you mean (((sulmlords)))?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:08:46 No.93037781 Report

Quoted By: >>93037816 >>93037969

>>93037500
where could I read this issue?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:08:50 No.93037785 Report

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>>93037770
No.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:09:39 No.93037801 Report

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>>93037749
...what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:10:15 No.93037816 Report

Quoted By: >>93037941

>>93037781
at your local comics shop, Comixology, or in the trade that comes out in October

also someone might do a storytime of the whole run tomorrow or Thursday now that it's ending

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:11:37 No.93037841 Report

Quoted By: >>93037870 >>93037944 >>93038019

Priest's nomiination this year for deathstroke, is I believe his first. It means that his entire black panther run, didn't rate a single nod..

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:12:05 No.93037845 Report

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>>93037785
>Real estate slumlords
In the comic they maybe are (((Real estate slumlords))), loook the clothes, somekind of old trophe

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:13:07 No.93037866 Report

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>>93036268
>Honestly, I didn't read either title.
>because it was a cartoon made to sell cigarettes

I think you need to use a tripcode so everyone can ignore you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:13:13 No.93037870 Report

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>>93037841
surprise, the Eisners are bullshit

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:14:06 No.93037883 Report

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>>93037801
We owe you ass!, now tell me what do you dont undestand little bad horny warner <3

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:14:24 No.93037889 Report

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>>93037748
That just makes you an auto-contrarian sheep, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:17:07 No.93037941 Report

Quoted By: >>93037958

>>93037816
I tried to get em at my local comicbookshop but it's closed now and I have no idea where in my city is the last surviving one. It's pretty sad really.

Mexican Spic here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:17:15 No.93037944 Report

Quoted By: >>93037963 >>93038019

>>93037841
Let's see what the nominees were for 1999 (since it'd be covering stuff from 1998, when Priest started writing Black Panther):

Best New Series

Age of Bronze, by Eric Shanower (Image)
Colonia, by Jeff Nicholson (Colonia Press)
Inhumans, by Paul Jenkins and Jae Lee (Marvel) *
Lenore, by Roman Dirge (Slave Labor)
Young Justice, by Peter David, Todd Nauck, and Lary Stucker (DC)

Best Continuing Series

Acme Novelty Library, by Chris Ware (Fantagraphics) *
Planetary, by Warren Ellis and John Cassaday (DC/Wildstorm)
Preacher, by Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon (DC/Vertigo)
Promethea, by Alan Moore, J. H. Williams III, and Mick Gray (ABC)
Top Ten, by Alan Moore, Gene Ha, and Zander Cannon (ABC)
Transmetropolitan, by Warren Ellis, Darick Robertson, and Rodney Ramos (DC/Vertigo)

Best Writer

Kurt Busiek, Kurt Busiek's Astro City (Homage/WildStorm/Image); Avengers (Marvel) *
Jeph Loeb, Superman for All Seasons (DC)
Greg Rucka, Whiteout (Oni Press)
Steven Seagle, "Drive By," Oni Double Feature #10 (Oni Press); Sandman Mystery Theatre (DC/Vertigo)
Matt Wagner, Grendel: Black, White, and Red (Dark Horse)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:18:12 No.93037958 Report

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>>93037941
Dont worry spic!, they are a lot of torrents of this comic

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:18:29 No.93037963 Report

Quoted By: >>93038019

>>93037944
quite a year

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:18:50 No.93037969 Report

Quoted By: >>93039460

>>93037781
At a comic book store or Comixology, and you better fucking buy it, you mong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:21:10 No.93038019 Report

Quoted By: >>93038059 >>93038096 >>93038414

>>93037841
>>93037963
Ignore >>93037944

I fucked up because I had the 1999 and 2000 listings opened at the same time

1999 (since Priest started writing Black Panther in 1998 and the 1999 awards would cover 1998 stuff)

Best New Series

Age of Bronze, by Eric Shanower (Image)
Colonia, by Jeff Nicholson (Colonia Press)
Inhumans, by Paul Jenkins and Jae Lee (Marvel) *
Lenore, by Roman Dirge (Slave Labor)
Young Justice, by Peter David, Todd Nauck, and Lary Stucker (DC)

Best Continuing Series (now that I think of it, it wouldn't qualify for this because it was still a new series)

Avengers, by Kurt Busiek, George Perez, and Al Vey (Marvel)
Kurt Busiek's Astro City, by Kurt Busiek, Brent Anderson, and Will Blyberg (Homage/WildStorm/Image)
Preacher, by Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon (DC/Vertigo) *
Sandman Mystery Theatre, by Steven Seagle and Guy Davis (DC/Vertigo)
Transmetropolitan, by Warren Ellis, Darick Robertson, and Rodney Ramos (DC/Vertigo)

Best Writer

Kurt Busiek, Kurt Busiek's Astro City (Homage/WildStorm/Image); Avengers (Marvel) *
Jeph Loeb, Superman for All Seasons (DC)
Greg Rucka, Whiteout (Oni Press)
Steven Seagle, "Drive By," Oni Double Feature #10 (Oni Press); Sandman Mystery Theatre (DC/Vertigo)
Matt Wagner, Grendel: Black, White, and Red (Dark Horse)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:23:01 No.93038059 Report

Quoted By: >>93038097 >>93038414

>>93038019
2000:

Best Continuing Series

Acme Novelty Library, by Chris Ware (Fantagraphics) *
Planetary, by Warren Ellis and John Cassaday (DC/Wildstorm)
Preacher, by Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon (DC/Vertigo)
Promethea, by Alan Moore, J. H. Williams III, and Mick Gray (ABC)
Top Ten, by Alan Moore, Gene Ha, and Zander Cannon (ABC)
Transmetropolitan, by Warren Ellis, Darick Robertson, and Rodney Ramos (DC/Vertigo)

Best Writer

Ed Brubaker, Scene of the Crime (DC/Vertigo)
Warren Ellis, The Authority, Planetary (DC/Wildstorm); Transmetropolitan (DC/Vertigo)
Mark Millar, Superman Adventures (DC)
Alan Moore, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Promethea, Tom Strong, Tomorrow Stories, Top Ten (ABC) *
Greg Rucka, Whiteout: Melt (Oni)

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:25:13 No.93038096 Report

Quoted By: >>93038248

>>93038019
>Preacher beat Astro City and Sandman Mystery Theatre
it seems the Eisners were always bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:25:15 No.93038097 Report

Quoted By: >>93038128 >>93038414

>>93038059
2001:

Best Continuing Series

Age of Bronze, by Eric Shanower (Image)
Berlin, by Jason Lutes (Drawn & Quarterly)
Eagle, by Kaiji Kawaguchi (Viz)
Promethea, by Alan Moore, J. H. Williams III, and Mick Gray (ABC)
Top 10, by Alan Moore, Gene Ha, and Zander Cannon (ABC) *

Best Writer

Brian Michael Bendis, Powers (Image), Fortune and Glory (Oni), Ultimate Spider-Man (Marvel)
Mike Carey, Lucifer (Vertigo/DC)
Garth Ennis, Preacher (Vertigo/DC)
Mark Millar, The Authority (Wildstorm/DC), Ultimate X-Men (Marvel)
Alan Moore, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Promethea, Tom Strong, Top Ten, Tomorrow Stories (ABC) *

2002:

Best Continuing Series

Finder, by Carla Speed McNeil (Lightspeed)
100 Bullets, by Brian Azzarello and Eduardo Risso (DC/Vertigo) *
Planetary, by Warren Ellis and John Cassaday (DC/Wildstorm)
Queen & Country, by Greg Rucka and Steve Rolston (Oni)
Ruse, by Mark Waid, Butch Guice, and Michael Perkins (CrossGen)

Best Writer

Brian Azzarello, 100 Bullets, Hellblazer (DC/Vertigo)
Brian Michael Bendis, Powers (Image); Alias, Daredevil, Ultimate Spider-Man (Marvel) *
Grant Morrison, FF 1234, New X-Men (Marvel)
Greg Rucka, Queen & Country (Oni); Detective Comics (DC)
Mark Waid, Ruse (CrossGen)

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:25:41 No.93038105 Report

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>>93037591
(((you)))

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:26:53 No.93038128 Report

Quoted By: >>93038414 >>93039380

>>93038097

2003:

Best Continuing Series

Age of Bronze, by Eric Shanower (Image)
Daredevil, by Brian Michael Bendis and Alex Maleev (Marvel) *
Fables, by Bill Willingham, Lan Medina, Mark Buckingham, and Steve Leialoha (DC/Vertigo)
Louis Riel, by Chester Brown (Drawn & Quarterly)
Strangers in Paradise, by Terry Moore (Abstract Studio)
True Story, Swear to God, by Tom Beland (Clib's Boy Comics)

Best Writer

Brian Michael Bendis, for Powers (Image); Alias, Daredevil, Ultimate Spider-Man (Marvel) *
Ed Brubaker, for Catwoman, Detective Comics, Gotham Central (DC)
Bruce Jones, for Incredible Hulk (Marvel)
Greg Rucka, for Queen & Country (Oni) Gotham Central, Wonder Woman: The Hiketeia (DC)
Bill Willingham, for Fables (DC/Vertigo)

2004 (because they'd cover stuff from 2003, the year Priest stopped writing Black Panther):

Best Continuing Series

Alias, by Brian Michael Bendis and Michael Gaydos (Marvel)
Daredevil, by Brian Michael Bendis/Alex Maleev and David Mack (Marvel)
The Goon, by Eric Powell (Dark Horse)
Gotham Central, by Ed Brubaker, Greg Rucka, Michael Lark, Brian Hurtt, and Stefano Gaudiano (DC)
100 Bullets, by Brian Azzarello and Eduardo Risso (Vertigo/DC) *
Queen & Country, by Greg Rucka, Jason Alexander, Carla Speed McNeil, and Mike Hawthorne (Oni)

Best Writer

Brian Azzarello, 100 Bullets, Sgt. Rock: Between Hell and Hard Place (Vertigo/DC); Batman (DC)
Brian Michael Bendis, Alias, Daredevil, Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate X-Men (Marvel); Powers (Image)
Ed Brubaker, Catwoman, Detective Comics, Gotham Central (DC); Sleeper (WildStorm/DC)
Warren Ellis, Orbiter (Vertigo/DC); Global Frequency, Red, Planetary, Planetary/Batman: Night on Earth (WildStorm/DC)
Alan Moore, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Promethea, Smax, Tom Strong, Tom Strong's Terrific Tales (ABC) *
Greg Rucka, Queen & Country (Oni); Gotham Central, Wonder Woman (DC); Wolverine (Marvel)

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:32:44 No.93038241 Report

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>>93037749

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:33:04 No.93038248 Report

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>>93038096
In 1998 there were only three issues of Astro City out which probably hurt its chances. That year Preacher also had the "War in the Sun" storyarc which was a major one:

http://comicsalliance.com/preacher-maam-war-in-the-sun/

I forgot what was going on in SMT at the time, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:35:12 No.93038293 Report

Quoted By: >>93038588

>>93035463
They're an award show. It's not about who is best. It's about who will make the award look the best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:36:59 No.93038330 Report

Quoted By:

>>93038241
christ I didn't want to go down this rabbit hole again

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:41:07 No.93038414 Report

Quoted By: >>93038455

>>93038128
>>93038097
>>93038059
>>93038019
This just makes me sad for Rucka. Did he ever actually win one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:43:33 No.93038455 Report

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>>93038414
>2000 Eisner Award for Best Limited Series (for Whiteout: Melt)
>2002 Eisner Award for Best New Series (for Queen & Country, with Steve Rolston)
>2004 Eisner Award for Best Serialized Story (for Gotham Central #6-10: "Half a Life", with Michael Lark)
>2011 Eisner Award for Best Short Story (for "Post Mortem" from I Am An Avenger #2, with Michael Lark).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:51:13 No.93038588 Report

Quoted By: >>93038598

>>93038293
Do nominations for Faith, Mockingbird, Erica Henderson, and I assume America Chavez will be a shoo in next year, make the awards look good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:51:51 No.93038598 Report

Quoted By:

>>93038588
I dunno, people seem to be turning on America even outside /co/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:53:40 No.93038626 Report

Quoted By:

>>93035463
Mockingbird was mostly dull, peppered with extra crappy low points almost designed to cause controversy, and played the Gamergate-warriors/Girlbusters slapfighters for hot clicks.
It rode a wave of controversy into think pieces that got it nominated.

Flintstones, while brutal and generally left leaning (if I were picking a side) never really pissed in anyone's cereal and got the divisive angry voting blocks going.
Essentially, by never having goddawful shitshows with unneccesary references to tampons, Flintstones was too good to be nominated.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:55:34 No.93038653 Report

Quoted By:

>flintstones snubbed and mockingshit fellated

I shouldn't be suprised but I'm still dissapointed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 05:58:05 No.93038700 Report

Quoted By:

>>93035843
industry awards are shit anon. It's just a massive circlejerk for people with inflated egos. No one with an actual interest in these awards respective fields actually gives a shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:02:26 No.93038765 Report

Quoted By: >>93038844 >>93038984 >>93039015

>>93036204

Name one war in the last 100 years not started by russia. Quit blaming men when one country is to blame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:02:44 No.93038772 Report

Quoted By:

>>93036268
>N-No! The Eisners are insider people, they know what theyre talking about!

And yet they nominate blatantly shitty writing like mockingbird. Opinion discarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:07:24 No.93038840 Report

Quoted By:

>>93036643
>This much dickriding

Why do I get the feeling that you're a part of this committee that no one cares about

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:07:41 No.93038844 Report

Quoted By: >>93038895 >>93038907

>>93038765
how is Russia to blame for World War 2?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:11:16 No.93038895 Report

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>>93038844
Communists supported by Russia were pivotal in German politics. They started a violent revolution. The facists got into power significantly on their promise to fight the communists. This same pattern occurs in quite a few other places in Europe, most notably spain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:12:30 No.93038907 Report

Quoted By: >>93039062

>>93038844

WWII is a result of WWI. If germany was given realistic reparations it wouldn't have needed to go to war. Russia is totally responsible for WWI.

This is also pretty enlightening.

https://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2009/09/04/did-russia-really-start-wwii/

Remember history is written by the winners and germany lost, russia won

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:18:00 No.93038984 Report

Quoted By: >>93039067

>>93038765
>RUSSIA IS A COUNTRY OF EVIL

I'm curious to know what your opinion on the progressive middle east is

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:20:24 No.93039015 Report

Quoted By:

>>93038765
Falklands?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:23:41 No.93039062 Report

Quoted By: >>93039178

>>93038907
World War I is way too complicated to blame on one country

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:23:57 No.93039067 Report

Quoted By: >>93039161 >>93039298

>>93038984

The middle east would be fine if people would leave it alone

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:33:17 No.93039161 Report

Quoted By:

>>93039067
The rest of the world would be fine if the middle east left them alone

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:34:20 No.93039178 Report

Quoted By: >>93039312 >>93039408

>>93039062

It's really not. Russia was ready for war before the war. Its pretty fucked up to arm and move in when there's no reason to. There would not have been a war if russia just let austria and serbia work things out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:38:39 No.93039221 Report

Quoted By:

>>93036268
Fuck off Gary Groth, go beat off Clowes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:39:39 No.93039235 Report

Quoted By: >>93039426

>>93036204
The Trojan War was one. Someone else can get the other 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:47:11 No.93039298 Report

Quoted By:

>>93039067
Lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:48:04 No.93039312 Report

Quoted By: >>93039397 >>93039408

>>93039178
that's a drastic oversimplification that ignores so much of the geopolitical situation at the time.

that leaves out Germany being cut off from the ocean by Britain, and it leaves out the naval arms race between Germany and Britain after the Franco-Prussian War, and it leaves out France pissed off at Germany for the Franco-Prussian War, and it leaves out Kaiser Wilhelm trying to get into the imperialism game late after everyone had pretty much settled on who owned what, and it leaves out Bismarck retiring while the Kaiser refused to renew treaties with Russia, and it leaves out pre-existing tensions between Austria-Hungary and Russia because of disagreements over Balkan states AND it leaves out the Ottomans pissed off because of the First Balkan War (which also contributed to tension between Austria-Hungary and Russia).

the ENTIRE CONTINENT was champing at the bit for war, not just Russia, hence why it got so fucking big.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:50:51 No.93039344 Report

Quoted By:

>>93036204

All of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:55:36 No.93039380 Report

Quoted By: >>93039842

>>93038128
Moore should sweep these awards every year
that's how you know they're bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:56:24 No.93039397 Report

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>>93039312

no one wanted a war, they wanted more and not to be challenged and maintain their power. There's a reason there was peace for all those years. France could have not backed Russia, Russia could have.....not moved in for war. Russia had very little reason back Serbia, you know of a damn good reason to do it other than for a war?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:57:11 No.93039408 Report

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>>93039178
>let Austria and Serbia work things out
By that you mean "do nothing while an unfriendly government curbstomps the serbians", remember Russia has historically been the protector of serbians and claimed blood kinship with them. And it was close- an invasion of Serbia would mean a ton of Austrian troops right near the Russian border. Raising a defensive force would have seemed at least prudent.

>>93039312
There was a weird dichotomy- On the one hand, Great power diplomacy was all about machismo and shows of strength, on the other, most people didn't want a major war because it would cost more than anyone could possibly gain (and that was when they thought the worst effect would be a disruption of trade!)
Hence there were a lot of half-actions, ultimatums and bluffs- Russia's partial mobilization is one, and the Czar even tried to cancel it partway through.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 06:58:46 No.93039426 Report

Quoted By:

>>93039235
>Last century

Falklands War. With both a female PM and a Queen, no less. Don't give that tumblrite much mind, anyone with the barest understanding of history can name female leaders and the wars they were involved with. Ironically, since there were so few of them, progs don't count them as meaningful figures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:02:00 No.93039460 Report

Quoted By:

>>93037969
>buying (((media garbage)))

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:15:41 No.93039625 Report

Quoted By: >>93039709

>>93035463
Tell me /co/. Does Japan have better taste in western comics with more worthy awardings than the Eisners.

http://www.gaiman.jp/top/2016.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:17:48 No.93039651 Report

Quoted By: >>93039834

>>93035463
Eisner's are shit in a lot of the big categories. Squirrel Girl's art got nominated in 2016.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:22:05 No.93039709 Report

Quoted By: >>93039724

>>93039625
Eh about the same. Some good shit on there, but also Spider-Verse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:23:30 No.93039724 Report

Quoted By: >>93039813

>>93039709
They love their Spider-man. Has Blacksad ever won an Eisner?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:26:18 No.93039751 Report

Quoted By:

>>93036268
CORGIS! xD

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:28:05 No.93039770 Report

Quoted By: >>93039786

>>93035463
The Eisners, as the Oscars and basically everything, are the award show equivalent of a pageant model making a speech about how she really, really cares about the environment and peace in the world, gotta look like you're daddy's precious smart girl even if all you do behind the stage is coke and cocks

Wasn't there a scandal a few years ago about the sci-fi books awards where some authors and fans openly accused the judges of shoving away noteworthy works for the sake of focusing on politically acceptable ones that talked about gays and whatnot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:29:19 No.93039786 Report

Quoted By:

>>93039770
I think it was the Hugos right at the height of Gamergate. It was a real shitshow, as far as I remember

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:32:09 No.93039813 Report

Quoted By:

>>93039724
When is the next Blacksad releasing by the by? There's only so many times I can thumb through Amarillo.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:34:30 No.93039834 Report

Quoted By: >>93042810 >>93043140 >>93043158

>>93039651
>Squirrel Girl's art got nominated in 2016.
Squirrel Girl's artist has nominations for 2 different books in 2016. (She's also up for Jughead)

pic related: Eisner Award Winning Art.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:35:02 No.93039842 Report

Quoted By: >>93039875 >>93040037

>>93039380
That's because his output was really sporadic in the 00's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:38:34 No.93039867 Report

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>>93035843
Industry awards are shit. The Grammies are based on peak chart sales - top 4 of the year wins. The Academy Awards was outed by 2 of the panelists who revealed the voting process is based purely on "who's been here but hasn't won it yet" rather than performance/execution and genuinely have a disdain for genres they considered childish. It's pretty widely-known that the Academy breathed a sigh on relief when Babe didn't win Best Picture and Beauty and the Beast (the original Disney Animated) was veto-ed out of a legit win because it "would damage the integrity of filmmaking".

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:39:28 No.93039875 Report

Quoted By:

>>93039842
Quantity over Quality, eh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:43:50 No.93039908 Report

Quoted By: >>93040045 >>93043130

>>93036204

The Falklands (Thatcher left the islands unguarded despite intelligence about the Argentine Junta); Indira Gandhi: the "State of Emergency" where she basically conducted a purge of the opposition, and "Operation Blue Star" where she ordered a violent crackdown on the Sikh population; Benazir Bhutto launched a Jihadi attack on government forces in Afghanistan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:58:20 No.93040037 Report

Quoted By:

>>93039842
>Top 10
>Tom Strong
>Promethea
>LOEG volume 2
those are some of his best works, nigga

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 07:58:49 No.93040045 Report

Quoted By: >>93041890 >>93043023

>>93039908
...ever notice how /pol/ didn't really begin to flourish until after the FBI started monitoring 4chan?
Thanks, Moot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 10:56:49 No.93041890 Report

Quoted By:

>>93040045
>Flourish

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 11:01:46 No.93041936 Report

Quoted By:

Great /pol/ thread, guys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 12:11:02 No.93042659 Report

Quoted By:

>>93035463
Any mega for the Flintstones comics?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 12:20:22 No.93042808 Report

Quoted By:

>>93035463
The Flintstones is a terrible comic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 12:20:24 No.93042810 Report

Quoted By:

>>93039834
>That bottom text
I'll never get over how much it shocked me when I realized Ryan North only has one joke. The emperor had no clothes the whole fucking time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 12:33:15 No.93043023 Report

Quoted By:

>>93040045
Cellphones are what really killed /pol/. They encourage low effort comments due to the random time constraints people have when using them. I wish I had it saved but theres an image around showing how at specific intervals the number of phone posters goes up significantly and the quality of the comments across the board tanks horribly

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 12:41:04 No.93043130 Report

Quoted By:

>>93039908
Nice. There we go. Women making a difference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 12:41:55 No.93043140 Report

Quoted By:

>>93039834
Holy shot did they just steal a line from galaxyquest?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 12:42:51 No.93043158 Report

Quoted By:

>>93039834
How was this even ... I can't even ... CONSIDERED?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 14:40:37 No.93045128 Report

Quoted By:

>>93035546
Fpbp

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 14:47:57 No.93045255 Report

Quoted By: >>93046260

I think the Flintstones book is pretty overrated. Not bad, but not amazing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 15:01:22 No.93045439 Report

Quoted By: >>93045462

>>93035463
America had the most believable and realistic depiction of a person with antisocial personality disorder I've ever seen in any work of fiction, so it deserves it.
In case if some of you are thick-headed, I'm being facetious. Mostly, at least, because it's scary how realistically sociopathic Bobbi actually is in the comic

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 15:02:24 No.93045462 Report

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>>93045439
Mockingbird, not America.
Oops, I'm retarded.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 15:40:41 No.93046099 Report

Quoted By: >>93046406 >>93047225 >>93048961

Fuck off!, is over

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 15:49:46 No.93046260 Report

Quoted By:

>>93045255
>I think the Flintstones book is pretty overrated.
What you think is wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 15:58:13 No.93046406 Report

Quoted By:

>>93046099
The (((media))) hate!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 16:38:35 No.93047210 Report

Quoted By:

Where can I read this Flintstones comic? Looks interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 16:39:27 No.93047225 Report

Quoted By:

>>93046099
I"m just glad Suicide Guy didn't die for nothing now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 17:59:11 No.93048793 Report

Quoted By:

>>93037500
Reading this vignettes it's no surprise at all it wasn't considered

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 18:00:50 No.93048830 Report

Quoted By:

>>93037500
Reading these vignettes it's no surprise at all it wasn't considered

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 18:08:41 No.93048961 Report

Quoted By:

>>93046099
Is there a complete set somewhere? I really enjoyed it when it was storytimed, but I'm sure I missed a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 18:13:27 No.93049045 Report

Quoted By: >>93049613

>>93035463
That quality ain't important as long as you have a vagina

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 18:14:29 No.93049058 Report

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>>93036402
not capitalism, but ideology

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>>93036268

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 18:44:27 No.93049613 Report

Quoted By: >>93049649

>>93049045
They could at least nominate good female created books like Shade then

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jun 2017 18:47:03 No.93049649 Report

Quoted By:

>>93049613
There are vaginas, and Vaginas

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