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Why every "cape" universe tries to have their own Supes/bats?

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 09:57:07 2016 No.87293736 View Reply Original Report

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People always talks about Red Batman, Black Batman, not-Batman, blonde superman, other blonde superman, aliener-superman, white batman etc.

Why does Marvel feel the need to have so many clones of the World's Finest?
Aside from joke characters, DC doesnt really care or tries to have their own "spiderman" or "wolverine".

Why does Marvel suffers from Capeenvy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 09:59:09 No.87293748 Report

Quoted By: >>87293773 >>87300121

>>87293736
Sentry is a far cry from Supes lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 09:59:24 No.87293749 Report

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>>87293736
Because you're a fagget.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:01:09 No.87293758 Report

Quoted By: >>87293768 >>87293824 >>87298793

>>87293736
>DC doesnt really care or tries to have their own "spiderman" or "wolverine"

Is this bait?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:02:37 No.87293768 Report

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>>87293758
It's a company wars thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:03:00 No.87293773 Report

Quoted By: >>87295561 >>87297421

>>87293748
Just like gladiator, hyperion, or sun god right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:03:37 No.87293781 Report

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>>87293768
Oh, of course.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:06:07 No.87293791 Report

Quoted By: >>87293799 >>87293825 >>87293854 >>87294863

>>87293736
Who the fuck is Red Batman?

And if you're referring to Black Panther as Black Batman, while it's a nice meme it's really not true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:07:09 No.87293799 Report

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>>87293791
Oh, wait I guess you mean Daredevil. That's a reach also.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:07:27 No.87293803 Report

Quoted By: >>87293854 >>87294697 >>87294738 >>87295366

Moon Knight isn't Batman. The only similarities between them is that both might not have any powers, they both operate at night, and they both use gadgets off their belt. Everything else is different. Marvel hasn't built their brand around Moon Knight, and he barely ever even appears.

I like Batman. Moon Knight is the only Marvel comic I read because the rest is filled with feminist propaganda. Maybe I like it because it reminds me a little bit of Bats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:08:57 No.87293810 Report

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>>87293799
They literally called him Red Batman in a book, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:10:35 No.87293824 Report

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>>87293758
which hero is DC's Spider-Man? which one Wolverine

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:10:49 No.87293825 Report

Quoted By: >>87293902 >>87294892

>>87293791
>>87293799

Yeah, a total reach.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:11:06 No.87293828 Report

Quoted By: >>87296464

>>87293736
Marvel hasn't really built their brand around two characters

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:13:11 No.87293841 Report

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>>87293824
>Spider-Man?
Black Spider, but he is a joke character i guess

Or Ted Kord in that one 90's cover from Extreme Justice?
>which one Wolverine
Probably some character that is older than Wolverine and totally irrelevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:15:12 No.87293854 Report

Quoted By: >>87294832

>>87293791
>>87293799
>>87293803

Why are people looking at this so superficially when they're obvious homages?

Also

DC:
Black Spider (Young Justice) = Spider-Man
Commander Steel/Gaurdian = Cap
Aquaman = Namor
Doctor Polaris = Magneto

There are more but both companies have homages to one another. OP is just being a faggot.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:16:27 No.87293866 Report

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:18:55 No.87293878 Report

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>>87293824
Jamie Reyes Blue Beetle and Hawkman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:23:09 No.87293902 Report

Quoted By: >>87294886 >>87294905

>>87293825
I forget, was it DD who inspired Nightwing or the other way around?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:27:13 No.87293928 Report

Quoted By: >>87293946

>>87293878
>and Hawkman

KEK

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:27:18 No.87293930 Report

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>>87293736
Schizophrenic superman and Schizophrenic batman team up? this shit looks awesome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:29:15 No.87293946 Report

Quoted By: >>87293973 >>87294026

>>87293928
Look, I don't give two shits about Hawkman but there's no denying DC was trying to push him as their Wolverine in the New 52. Did it work? Of course not. No one likes or cares about Hawkman. But they tried it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:32:37 No.87293973 Report

Quoted By: >>87293998

>>87293946
>there's no denying DC was trying to push him as their Wolverine in the New 52

Actually it can be denied. Being a jackass, is hardly a "wolverine thing".

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:36:20 No.87293998 Report

Quoted By: >>87294026 >>87294489

>>87293973
Huh, guess it was just a coincidence they labeled his book the Savage Hawkman then...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 10:40:23 No.87294026 Report

Quoted By: >>87294375

>>87293946
>I don't give two shits about Hawkman

Well, clearly.

>>87293998
There was a "savage wolverine" book?

Hawkman is a BARBARIAN type, and has been a BARBARIAN type since well before Wolverine even existed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 11:03:54 No.87294201 Report

Quoted By: >>87294241 >>87294606 >>87295227

>>87293736
>Sentry
>Not Marvelman

Hahahahah, what a fucking clueless nigger faggot you are.

Why don't you try actually READING comics?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 11:06:47 No.87294229 Report

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he is right, they even used Sentry as a stand-in for Superman when they were mocking the Justice League in Marvel Zombie

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 11:08:36 No.87294241 Report

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>>87294201
>Marvelman
>not Captain Marvel

Miracleman was a different take on marvelman. and more important you casual pleb. Sentry was more like pic related you dumbass.

But pretending Sentry isnt yet another Superman proxy is being just a pathetic marvel fanboy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 11:14:16 No.87294277 Report

Quoted By: >>87294317 >>87295227

>>87294241
Are you retarded?

Marvelman not only predates Triump, but Sentry v1 is a clean rip off of Moore's first arc in Marvelman.

Not sure how you could be so clueless, but oh well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 11:20:11 No.87294317 Report

Quoted By: >>87294361 >>87295227

>>87294277
I didnt said Triumph is older than Miracleman you dumb pleb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 11:25:30 No.87294361 Report

Quoted By: >>87294582 >>87295227

>>87294317
No but you seem to think that Sentry is based off of Triumph like the dumb fucking nigger that you are.

Neck yourself you pathetic loser.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 11:26:59 No.87294375 Report

Quoted By: >>87294489 >>87294582

>>87294026
>There was a "savage wolverine" book?

Yeah, this bruh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 11:42:31 No.87294489 Report

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>>87293998
>>87294375
Nigga Savage Hawkman came out before Savage Wolverine stop being fucking retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 11:55:00 No.87294582 Report

Quoted By: >>87295227

>>87294361
You dumbass, you should check who triumph is and his interactions with the rest of the universe.

He was a more direct "inspiration". Also, you are a sad person, Sentry was another Superman and Marvel didnt even tried to hide it. If Jenkins openly calls Sentry a Superman proxy why is hard for you to accept it?
>>87294375
Cool, i liked Savage Namor back in the day.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 11:59:29 No.87294606 Report

Quoted By: >>87296574 >>87298465

>>87294201

Are you autistic?

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 12:16:37 No.87294697 Report

Quoted By: >>87294721 >>87295960 >>87297479

>>87293803
>Moon Knight doesn't have any powers

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 12:20:00 No.87294721 Report

Quoted By: >>87294735

>>87294697
>>Moon Knight doesn't have any powers
Not him, but sure, usually he doesnt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 12:22:31 No.87294735 Report

Quoted By: >>87294778

>>87294721
Most of his incarnations have increased physical stats (at different levels) and some vague type of magic, what are you talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 12:22:56 No.87294738 Report

Quoted By: >>87294778

>>87293803
Moon knight is was basically a funny parody of batman. but later developed into a real character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 12:27:45 No.87294778 Report

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>>87294735
Not all the time that was his gimmick

>>87294738

70's Moon was GOAT

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 12:32:24 No.87294805 Report

Quoted By: >>87295981

>>87293866
What the fuck is even going on in this what panel? What are they punching exactly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 12:37:10 No.87294832 Report

Quoted By: >>87294885 >>87297494

>>87293854
>>87293854
Guardian doesn't count because he's LITERALLY Jack Kirby's Captain America prototype. And YJ Black Spider is pushing it since it's an adaptation and Black Spider is nothing like that (the creators just wanted to have a Spiderman reference since they made Spectacular.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 12:41:01 No.87294863 Report

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>>87293791
>Who the fuck is Red Batman?
He's more sad Spider-Man

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 12:43:34 No.87294885 Report

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>>87294832
And Joe Simon's. As for Black Spider, sure, it was a Joke character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 12:43:40 No.87294886 Report

Quoted By: >>87294891 >>87294905

>>87293902
DD is earlier, but I don't know if he directly inspired Nightwing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 12:44:40 No.87294891 Report

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>>87294886
He inspired Kyle Relationships.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 12:44:42 No.87294892 Report

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>>87293825
at least they're acknowledging it. good on ya, Mark Waid

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 12:46:48 No.87294905 Report

Quoted By: >>87294949 >>87295024

>>87293902
>>87294886
There was no ''inspiring'', Nightwing straight up ripped-off Daredevil. That's, of course, after Miller used everything that made his Daredevil run good to reboot Batman. So, Batman ripped-off Daredevil too., the modern gritty incarnation at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 12:53:54 No.87294949 Report

Quoted By: >>87295018 >>87295303

>>87294905
If DC done it, they done it first.
If Marvel done it better, it doesn't matter because DC done it first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 13:03:36 No.87295018 Report

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>>87294949
>Marvel done it better

literally never happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 13:04:17 No.87295024 Report

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>>87294905
>., the modern gritty incarnation at least.

Said by any idiot that never touched any O'neil book from the 70's, the same books that inspired Miller.

As for the " Nightwing straight up ripped-off Daredevil". Aside from probably some shared elements about Bludhaven i can't think about anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 13:25:02 No.87295227 Report

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>>87294201
>>87294241
>>87294277
>>87294317
>>87294361
>>87294582
Relax girls, it's just comics

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 13:34:36 No.87295303 Report

Quoted By: >>87295342

>>87294949
>If DC done it, they done it first
Except, you know, Batman, who is literally just a rip-off of Sherlock Holmes, The Shadow and Dracula.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 13:40:03 No.87295342 Report

Quoted By: >>87295416

>>87295303
>Casuals are so casual that they don't even name the real inspirations

My casual friend, Batman was inspired by the shadow, Doc Savage, and ZORRO.

Look, just shut up, read more comics

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 13:42:07 No.87295366 Report

Quoted By: >>87295410

>>87293803
Reading early Moon Knight runs, he was always a crazy version of batman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 13:47:20 No.87295410 Report

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>>87295366
Not him, but while i like modern moon, i will always like crazy white batman more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 13:48:08 No.87295416 Report

Quoted By: >>87295444 >>87295461 >>87295500

>>87295342
>My casual friend
I can taste the euphoria.
>Batman isn't a rip-off of Sherlock Holmes
>genius detective learned in many sciences, skills and martial arts who has mental problems
>Batman isn't a ripoff of Dracula
>entire bat motiff
If forgot about Zorro and Doc Savage, but how exactly is that disproving my point?
>Batman was inspired
>just taking things from other characters and mix and matching them without adding anything of your own is ''inspiration''
Topkek, Batfags should just end themselves.

>read more comics
Seek sunlight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 13:51:14 No.87295444 Report

Quoted By: >>87295490

>>87295416
>dracula because bats

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 13:52:53 No.87295461 Report

Quoted By: >>87295480 >>87296533

>>87295416
Dude. Dude. You're making a fool of yourself.

Batman started out as a ripoff of the SHADOW. Come on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 13:54:17 No.87295480 Report

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>>87295461
Read the whole chain then, i mention Shadow in my previous post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 13:55:22 No.87295490 Report

Quoted By: >>87295585

>>87295444
>Literally wearing the iconic Dracula cape
>DUDE IT'S JUST A COINCIDENCE

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 13:56:03 No.87295500 Report

Quoted By: >>87295566

>>87295416
>>Batman isn't a ripoff of Dracula>entire bat motiff

Bats were a satanic symbol, an OMEN of evil.
Same origin you dumbass.

As for Sherlock just shot yourself. No one will make you like batman, or force you to learn shit, but don't repeat crap you heard, it just makes you sound retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:01:18 No.87295561 Report

Quoted By: >>87300121

>>87293773

Yeah you inbred

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:01:40 No.87295566 Report

Quoted By: >>87295611

>>87295500
>As for Sherlock just shot yourself
>literally can't even deny it so just rages
Beautiful.
>Same origin you dumbass.
So was prowling the night from rooftops, i'm sure.

>No one will make you like batman
I actually love Batman. I'm just not a delusional retard. I love Superman too, and he's just a rip-off of Moses, Hercules and Samson and the like. Well, at least the alien part is original.

>but don't repeat crap you heard
It takes more then two brain cells to figure out on your own that all Batman ripped-off all these famous characters that came before him and have his core traits, so i can't blame you.

>it just makes you sound retarded
Literally everything you write makes you look like an angry manchild, and it's pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:02:34 No.87295577 Report

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>>87293736

>DC doesnt really care or tries to have their own "spiderman" or "wolverine".

spiderman = blue beetle, black spider.

wolverine = Timberwolf, timberwolf is older than wolverine but they have been stealing from each other as years goes by, also lobo is a parody of wolverine and punisher.

also warblade belongs to DC now, another copy of wolverine.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:02:59 No.87295585 Report

Quoted By: >>87295685

>>87295490
>>Literally wearing the iconic Dracula cape

1. In 1939 there wasnt such a thing as "dracula cape"
2. In the book he doesnt even wear a cape
3. The cape designe had nothing to do with Batman's, even a casual like you should know about Leo's story

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:05:27 No.87295611 Report

Quoted By: >>87295639

>>87295566
>So was prowling the night from rooftops, i'm sure.

Dracula never did that. Your Sherlock claim is just insane, he was on a book called DETECTIVE comics, the entire 30's decade had hundred of DETECTIVE protagonists in comics. Sherlock wasnt a influence on Batman.

You clearly don't know shit about Sherlock or Dracula.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:07:41 No.87295639 Report

Quoted By: >>87295718

>>87295611
>he was on a book called DETECTIVE comics, the entire 30's decade had hundred of DETECTIVE protagonists in comics
I'm sure all of them were also genius scientists and master martial artist with mental problems and a thief lover.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:11:02 No.87295685 Report

Quoted By: >>87295738

>>87295585
Hell on top of that Batman's always been depicted with a scalloped cape while Dracula's is usually shown with a straight trim and a high collar. There's no resemblence other than both are capes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:14:19 No.87295718 Report

Quoted By: >>87295772

>>87295639
Sherlock wasnt a martial artist, he was a good boxer, 4 out of 6 if i recall correctly, as for scientist he was great with chemistry, and little more.

The Mental problems? What are you talking about? Batman was result of a trauma, but doesnt have any "mental problems" before the bronze age. While Sherlock's adiction to drugs wasnt considered a problem by Doyle neither his peculiar personality. At least no more than any other popular character from the Era. You are forcing connections that didnt existed in 1939, just like you did with Dracula

If you knew anything about Doc Savage you would know that what you said describes him, not Sherlock, he was the original peak human.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:15:33 No.87295738 Report

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>>87295685
He first said Batman copied D

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:19:04 No.87295772 Report

Quoted By: >>87295925

>>87295718
>he was the original peak human
I never said Sherlock was peak human.
>herlock wasnt a martial artist, he was a good boxer, 4 out of 6 if i recall correctly
>as for scientist he was great with chemistry, and little more
Yea, they're totally not gonna enhance all of that, nope, if somebody does a rip-off it has to be literally copy-paste.
>but doesnt have any "mental problems" before the bronze age
One could argue that a freaking billionare dressing up as a bat to beat thugs in allies half to death at night points to quite a bit of mental problems, but that would be reaching.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:28:17 No.87295883 Report

Quoted By: >>87295910 >>87295972 >>87296160

>>87293736

>Moon Knight is Marvel's Batman
You want to know how I know you're a filthy casual?

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:30:24 No.87295910 Report

Quoted By: >>87295967

>>87295883
Well he is rich enough to afford themed vehicles, has mental problems, and throws fuckin' boomerangs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:31:46 No.87295925 Report

Quoted By: >>87296066

>>87295772
>One could argue that a lawyer dressing up as a devil to beat thugs in allies half to death at night points to quite a bit of mental problems, but that would be reaching.

This is why the "batman is crazy" meme is one of the best ways to detect a casual, Calling him paranoid is a safe second.
>Yea, they're totally not gonna enhance all of that, nope, if somebody does a rip-off it has to be literally copy-paste.

Actually they did copy pasted... FROM DOC SAVAGE, not from Sherlock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:34:01 No.87295960 Report

Quoted By: >>87296036 >>87296038

>>87294697
Hadn't he just dropped out of his helicopter or something onto that jeep?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:34:25 No.87295967 Report

Quoted By: >>87296077 >>87296160

>>87295910

Comparing Moon Knight to Batman is like comparing Donald Trump to Hitler

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:34:43 No.87295972 Report

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>>87295883
>Marvel literally paired Sentry and Moon Knight for that very reason

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:35:03 No.87295981 Report

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>>87294805
Clearly they both went for the cross counter but fucked it up

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:39:13 No.87296036 Report

Quoted By: >>87296065 >>87296077 >>87301088

>>87295960
He pulverized that fucking jeep without any damage to his legs whatsoever, is this normal to you?

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:39:22 No.87296038 Report

Quoted By: >>87296065 >>87296077

>>87295960
A normal human would've shattered their legs landing like that onto a car

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:41:52 No.87296065 Report

Quoted By: >>87296083

>>87296036
>>87296038
comics

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:41:58 No.87296066 Report

Quoted By: >>87296211

>>87295925
>This is why the "batman is crazy" meme is one of the best ways to detect a casual
>dresses like a bat and has everything bat-themed
>believes Batman is his real self and Bruce Wayne is the mask
>literally regressed back to a child when shown an illusion of his parents
Yup, just a completely normal, sound of mind person here.
And his relationship with Joker is a whole nother subject.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:42:33 No.87296077 Report

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>>87296038
>>87296036

Guys. Moon knight doesnt have above peak powers most of the time. And by time i mean most days.

>>87295967
More like Superman and Prime.

>b-but captain marvel

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:43:00 No.87296083 Report

Quoted By: >>87296179 >>87296225

>>87296065
Not really. Comic humans are skilled aim-dodgers and can take some pretty nasty bumps, but this is clear superhuman territory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:45:04 No.87296109 Report

Quoted By: >>87300159

>>87293824
Lobo is literally a Wolverine Parody

And current Blue Beetle is pretty close to Spider-man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:48:02 No.87296160 Report

Quoted By: >>87296190 >>87296223

>>87295967
>>87295883
I mean I love Moon Knight, but let's be real here, the parallels are there
>Motivated by vengeance - Moony is the avatar of the god of vengeance, Batman wants to avenge his parents deaths - I am vengeance, I am the night etc.
There's also a fair bit of atonement to their characters
>Batman "is" the night, MK's motif is of a dominant feature of the night
>Both have rich playboy personas that mask their true selves
>Both have a variety of gadgets, vehicles and weapons shaped or themed around their motif
>Mental illness plays a large part in both characters, although in different forms
>Both are considered creepy/intimidating/plain crazy by many of their peers

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:49:37 No.87296179 Report

Quoted By: >>87296290

>>87296083
He's not a superhuman at that point so it's not
It's comic physics at work. Probably bad writing, sure, but still comic physics

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:50:41 No.87296190 Report

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>>87296160
Oh yeah, and both had a young sidekick that turned bad

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:52:09 No.87296211 Report

Quoted By: >>87296346

>>87296066
>>This is why the "batman is crazy" meme is one of the best ways to detect a casual>dresses like a bat and has everything bat-themed
So, spiderman and superman are crazy too?
>believes Batman is his real self and Bruce Wayne is the mask
Nice job, i watched cartoons too, i didnt took my canon from that tho, but nice, keep showing how casual you are

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:53:09 No.87296223 Report

Quoted By: >>87296294 >>87296558

>>87296160
>Mental illness plays a large part in both characters
I don't think DC has ever admitted batman is legitimately nuts

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:53:25 No.87296225 Report

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>>87296083
Moon is SOMETIMES superhuman.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:57:58 No.87296290 Report

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>>87296179
There is only one character in comics that can do shit like this but isn't consider superhuman, and that's Batman. Batman constantly does shit like dodge bullets, rip through steel and concrete with little effort and take stuff that would outright liquify any man. It's because he's the only non-powered street leveler who maxed out literally every stat available. Everyone else is
>master or grandmaster of martial arts
>maximum strength/speed/agility for their size
>slightly superhuman durability/stamina
with Batman it's:
>god of martial arts
>better at every single physical discipline then the world record holder by a good margin (faster then bolt, stronger then the strongest strongman, more agile then a chinese acrobat etc.)
>can fight for days and survive things that would outright kill any street-leveler

So yea, what Moon Knight did here is at least Batman-tier superhuman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 14:58:18 No.87296294 Report

Quoted By: >>87296331

>>87296223
Well, you have stuff like Arkham Asylum as a central fixture, the Joker as his antithesis, and so on. That and people (as well as Bats himself) question his sanity like five times a week, same as Moon Knight. Moon Knight's stories these days are just more centered around it as a feature of his actual character, rather than an element of the story which is how I always see it presented with Batman

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:00:22 No.87296331 Report

Quoted By: >>87296371 >>87296382

>>87296294
>Well, you have stuff like Arkham Asylum as a central fixture
That wasnt about him being mentally ill, but about the crazyness of being batman
>the Joker as his antithesis
Casual shit.

Batman has personality disorders, he isnt crazy, he is anti-social.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:01:20 No.87296346 Report

Quoted By: >>87296386

>>87296211
>So, spiderman and superman are crazy too?
Superman is a god, he can dress however he wants.
Spiderman was a scared kid that needed to protect his identity, while at the same time living out his hero fantasies.
How are you this retarded?

>Nice job, i watched cartoons too, i didnt took my canon from that tho
Maybe you should try reading a comic sometimes then. Bats doesn't particularly care about the Wayne persona and would just come up with a new one if he was ever compromised, while being Batman is the most important thing in his life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:03:11 No.87296371 Report

Quoted By:

>>87296331
I mean Arkham Asylum the actual in-story asylum, not the Morrison comic. My original point was that mental illness is a large part of Batman's stories as it is Moon Knight's, but they take different forms. With Moon Knight, it's a core feature of his character. With Batman, it's a core feature of his world and his villains and *sometimes* his character

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:03:47 No.87296382 Report

Quoted By: >>87296451

>>87296331
anti-social in terms of personality disorders means he's sociopathic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:04:01 No.87296386 Report

Quoted By: >>87296417

>>87296346
>Bats doesn't particularly care about the Wayne persona

Bruce Wayne not caring about the legacy of his PARENTS is one of the most retared things you had said so far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:04:45 No.87296397 Report

Quoted By:

>>87293736

Because Superman and Batman are the first and greatest heroes and literally every other character is a derivative copy of them, intentionally or unintentionally.

It's not really a problem because characters will feel different but at the end of the day you're either a super powered god or a tech hero.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:06:02 No.87296417 Report

Quoted By: >>87296465 >>87296556

>>87296386
His parents' legacy is Batman, dumbass. You are seriously trying to tell me that Bruce could, if he was forced, change his gimmick permanently and be completely content with it? Because Superman and Spider-Man sure as shit could.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:07:42 No.87296441 Report

Quoted By: >>87296556

>>87293824

Spiderman is Marvel's Superman. Nerd, works at newspaper, red and blue, insane power set that is a little of everything. Has a iconic symbol on his chest. Literally obvious.

Wolverine is a rip off of Timber Wolf. Wolverine became wayy more popular but Timber Wolf is more of a real character and isn't shoehorned onto every team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:08:06 No.87296451 Report

Quoted By: >>87296545

>>87296382
>anti-social in terms of personality disorders means he's sociopathic

Not at all.

>Antisocial personality disorder is specifically a pervasive pattern of disregarding and violating the rights of others and may include symptoms such as breaking laws, frequent lying, starting fights, lack of guilt and taking personal responsibility, and the presence of irritability and impulsivity.

Bruce is also Obsessive-compulsive and Narcissist. But retarded shit like "paranoid" not by any definition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:09:13 No.87296464 Report

Quoted By: >>87298803

>>87293828

Spiderman and Hulk were their only big characters for decades that normies were aware of for decades. Wolverines bigger now but my buddy's fiance literally had no idea who Wolverine was yesterday and shes almost thirty. I think we are insulated at /co/ in reality most people only know characters that have been in recent movies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:09:20 No.87296465 Report

Quoted By: >>87296502

>>87296417
Clark could never hang up the cape and be happy knowing he could be helping as superman
Peter is a borderline sociopath who hates what he is and functions only out of a sense of crushing guilt

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:10:16 No.87296481 Report

Quoted By:

>>87293866

Comic book artist has never gotten into a fight and is lazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:11:48 No.87296502 Report

Quoted By:

>>87296465
>Clark could never hang up the cape
Not what i said. At all. What i said was ''change his gimmick'' meaning he could stop being Superman, and if he had to, start wearing a fucking garbageman suit and make terrible puns about ''cleaning up the world'', and he'd do it in a heartbeat.
Same thing with Peter, he could easily become ''knit-man''.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:13:50 No.87296533 Report

Quoted By:

>>87295461

Just like Superman is a rip off of Doc Savage and Flash Gordon.

All comic characters fit into one of these roles. Pulp hero or sci fi/fantasy hero. Batman and Superman are easy things to draw off of because they represent the two halves of superhero story telling. It's not surprising most characters share similarities to them because they all do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:14:25 No.87296545 Report

Quoted By:

>>87296451
Antisocial personality disorder is the actual medical term for psycho/sociopathy. You're describing Bruce as a sociopath.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:15:28 No.87296556 Report

Quoted By: >>87296581 >>87296666

>>87296441
>Has a iconic symbol on his chest

The spider isnt iconic.

>>87296417
Look, you were wrong about Sherlock and Dracula, and you are still pretending you know anything about the character. Bruce Wayne, just like Clark Kent, have real personalities they share with their friends and families, Bruce Real persona is the one that trained and studied most of his life, the guy that watches movies with his kids and that goes to dinner to the kent's house. Bruce spending time with dick and tim for a year in one year later is his real personality, who he is. The whole "Bruce is a mask" is bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:15:44 No.87296558 Report

Quoted By:

>>87296223

DC has implied Batman is sick and crazy since the 70s you baby.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:16:48 No.87296574 Report

Quoted By:

>>87294606
Oh shit that's funny

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:17:21 No.87296581 Report

Quoted By: >>87296647

>>87296556

Maybe not to you but my fucking grandma knows who Spiderman is. Like Superman and Batman he is one of the biggest superheroes of all time like it or not. I think Parker is a faggot but I won't pretend he's not iconic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:21:39 No.87296647 Report

Quoted By: >>87298830

>>87296581
>Maybe not to you but my fucking grandma knows who Spiderman is

Sure, in my opinion the Spiderman Mask is the most "iconic" thing he has, the spider fails to be iconic since it's just a spider. I don't believe Spiderman would benefit from a stronger looking logo, since the web in the suit it's already too much

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:22:48 No.87296666 Report

Quoted By: >>87296956

>>87296556
You did not answer my question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:39:07 No.87296881 Report

Quoted By: >>87296932

Isn't Lobo a hyper parody of wolverine after marvel stole slade?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:42:12 No.87296932 Report

Quoted By:

>>87296881
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 15:44:41 No.87296956 Report

Quoted By:

>>87296666
Bruce has stopped being batman before and was a vigilante before being Batman.
He was also willing to sacrifice his life as Bruce Wayne but was considered a sacrifice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 16:15:02 No.87297421 Report

Quoted By: >>87297477

>>87293773
He can fly and is strong. Must be a superman clone. A human with plot device powers must b batman. Does he run fast? Flash clone . Lobo?definitely not a wolverine knocc off. That's not winter soldier that's the new badass red hood. Kys anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 16:19:30 No.87297477 Report

Quoted By: >>87300121

>>87297421
>He can fly and is strong. Must be a superman clone

>Even Marvel says those are proxies
>Marvelfag somehow denied it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 16:19:31 No.87297479 Report

Quoted By:

>>87294697
Physics is not a super power his suit is a exo skeleton. Read a comic book one time or go bacc to /v/ or /t/ or wherever you came from

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 16:21:07 No.87297494 Report

Quoted By: >>87297712

>>87294832
That doesn't make him less of a homage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 16:25:42 No.87297559 Report

Quoted By: >>87297712

Moon Knight is only superficially a Batman knock off. Some of his early stuff is indicative of this, but he really grows into his own with time.

The main difference, IMO, is that a good Moon Knight story and a good Batman story read entirely differently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 16:37:33 No.87297712 Report

Quoted By:

>>87297494

Black Spider? Sure,
The Guardian? No. The characters are not similar and are not used on a similar way. Heroes with shields is not something exclusive to Cap, specially in that hera, and makes no sense to homage a character that is barely 2 years old. Like the guy talking about dracula's cape, when batman was "new" Draculad had have a long cape for 8 years. What is know iconic now isnt the same stuff that was iconic in the 40's. Also, the shield > Guardian > S and stripes > cap

>>87297559
This. Just like Daredevil fans just won't get mad about the red batman thing, the final product is different.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 17:26:11 No.87298391 Report

Quoted By:

It's okay it happens in universe too

Green Arrow is just Green Batman afterall

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 17:31:11 No.87298465 Report

Quoted By: >>87298723

>>87294606
are you?

did you read marvelman?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 17:47:14 No.87298723 Report

Quoted By: >>87298778

>>87298465
You really saw that image are still deny Sentry is one of many supermen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 17:50:37 No.87298778 Report

Quoted By:

>>87298723
Do you really have no fucking clue what you're talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 17:51:17 No.87298793 Report

Quoted By:

>>87293758
Valiant has ninjak for batman, but there really isnt a superman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 17:51:43 No.87298803 Report

Quoted By: >>87298816

>>87296464
This is only because the Spider Man cartoon and the Hulk TV show were their only huge hits and some of the only projects they could get off the ground before the TV shows. Also, X-Men was huge amongst kids in the 90's. Also

>normies

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 17:52:46 No.87298816 Report

Quoted By:

>>87298803
Not the TV shows, I mean the movies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 17:53:27 No.87298830 Report

Quoted By: >>87298966

>>87296647
I can draw the spider chest logo and normalfags get what it is 100 percent of the time. It's as iconic as the s shield or bat symbol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 17:57:52 No.87298906 Report

Quoted By:

>>87293736
Cause when you are the prototype of all heroes you get homaged. Simple as that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:00:46 No.87298966 Report

Quoted By:

>>87298830
>I can draw the spider chest logo
There's like a million ones, my bet is that you are talking about rami's.

>It's as iconic as the s shield or bat symbol

It's not. and you are stupid if you belive that

Both his belt and mask are easier to recognize. As for the spider people would say is a spider, not the logo of spiderman

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:08:51 No.87299108 Report

Quoted By: >>87299155 >>87299279 >>87299286 >>87306035

Even though Sentry has since been used as a superman pastiche, Jenkins very clearly intended for him to be inspired by Marvelman.

The similarities between their stories are so similar.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:11:26 No.87299155 Report

Quoted By: >>87299220

>>87299108
Among the similarities are
>amnesia
>journey to rediscovery of their powers
>the references to in-universe comics about them
>light/atomic powers
>their alternate persona having an inferiority complex
>their origin turning out to be much more sinister than they initially suspected

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:14:23 No.87299220 Report

Quoted By: >>87299244 >>87299388

>>87299155
This mostly concerns V1 and V2.

Eventually people just starting focusing on the superficial similarities between Sentry and Supes.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:15:27 No.87299244 Report

Quoted By: >>87299388

>>87299220

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:17:08 No.87299279 Report

Quoted By:

>>87299108
>Miracleman recolors
Marvel owes us an original color omnibus

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:17:22 No.87299286 Report

Quoted By: >>87299328

>>87299108
Can you stop the autism? stop calling him marvelman, you sound like a dumbass that just discovered the name change, no one usually calls him that way since it's easier to call the silver age stories marvelman and moore/gaiman's Miracleman. No one is denying the FIRST mini had Miracleman elements but it was closer to Triumph, that was the very same reason Jenkins idea was rejected at DC and had to do it in Marvel where Marvel forced the Superman angle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:19:45 No.87299328 Report

Quoted By:

>>87299286
I'm autist for accidentally calling him marvelman instead of miracleman, but not you for flipping out about it?

You can do better than that.

He sure as shit isn't based off of triumph.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:22:43 No.87299388 Report

Quoted By: >>87299435

>>87299220
>>87299244

Miracleman and Sentry are not obscure indie minis, everyone and their mothers had read both

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:24:59 No.87299435 Report

Quoted By: >>87299515

>>87299388
Not the ones who keep claiming that Sentry is based off of Superman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:29:15 No.87299515 Report

Quoted By: >>87299604 >>87299667 >>87300574

>>87299435
Or they are not autistic? And also know that miracleman is in fact a superman?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:34:13 No.87299604 Report

Quoted By: >>87299684

>>87299515
Don't waste your time, the idiot will say that is based on captain marvel and that Billy isn't a superman

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:37:47 No.87299667 Report

Quoted By: >>87299684 >>87299695 >>87299896

>>87299515
Miracleman is captain marvel
Cap may be a Superman but nothing in MM is specifically Superman

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:38:40 No.87299684 Report

Quoted By: >>87299943

>>87299604
>>87299667

KEK

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:39:26 No.87299695 Report

Quoted By: >>87299943

>>87299667
Holy shit

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:52:18 No.87299896 Report

Quoted By: >>87300652

>>87299667
>NOTHING

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 18:55:50 No.87299943 Report

Quoted By:

>>87299684
>>87299695
Except I specifically said that Captain Marvel is a Superman expy (which I find highly debatable in the first place, people mainly buy into it because of the retarded lawsuit)
How about you actually cite something from the story that is similar to Superman rather than just making declarative statements and brushing off claims against them? Being an expy of a Superman expy doesn't automatically make it a Superman deconstruction. Miracleman gas more in common with Mar'vel (the Qys being nased off of the Kree) than he does Kal El

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 19:09:02 No.87300121 Report

Quoted By:

>>87297477
>>87293748
>>87295561
>is very specifically meant to be a Superman parody/expy
>marvel fans so retarded they have to deny it

holy shit im laffin

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 19:11:15 No.87300159 Report

Quoted By: >>87300270

>>87296109
idk Blue Beetle doesnt quip and has all this alien/magic shit going on, and rarely has the whole "I can't live both lives at once" thing Spider-Man has.

If anything, Batman Beyond is their Spider-Man.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 19:17:58 No.87300270 Report

Quoted By:

>>87300159

Ted Kord looked like spiderman in EXTREME JUSTICE covers. and Jaime was a Teen... That's pretty much it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 19:36:32 No.87300574 Report

Quoted By:

>>87299515
out of curiosity, what makes someone a superman?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 19:42:25 No.87300652 Report

Quoted By:

>>87299896
>Hurr because the word is de same its based on Superman the kryptonian
Do you have any evidence besides that?
Considering "last child of a fallen world" is such a common origin you'd think Moore would have gone with that were he going for a Superman deconstruction
Let's look at the original character, who was based on Captain Marvel because Captain Marvel was more popular than Superman at the time.
Moore also gets cheeky and half bases it off the other Captain Marvel, the Marvel one
None of this points to Superman besides shallow conflating of Nietzsche with DC and the incredibly weak argument that "because Captain Marvel is a Superman (if you can call giving a character flight and super strength being a copy) it means Miracleman is!! Fuck actual evidence"
Frankly the best argument is his color scheme
Let's review
>Specifically magic word transformation: Captain Marvel
>Dual identity being separated into two distinct minds: Captain Marvel (inb4 casuals don't know original Billy is distinct from Cap)
>Association with the Divine: Captain Marvel
>power derived from an existing alien race lead by a hivemind, that race is at war with a rival race: Mar'Vell (Captain Marvel)
>Female version and evil version with same abilities: Captain Marvel (Mary Marvel predates Supergirl by 15+ years)
>Archenemy: Captain Marvel

In summary: get fucked

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 20:09:02 No.87301076 Report

Quoted By: >>87301285

ITT: autists

And I just want based Bob to come back and nuke the current Marvel to fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 20:09:35 No.87301088 Report

Quoted By:

>>87296036
His suit is a exoskeleton. Fuccing read a comic book

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 20:21:39 No.87301285 Report

Quoted By: >>87301361

>>87301076
Based Bob? Harras? Who reportedly doesn't do anything at DC, is never at the cons or makes any comments?

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Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 20:26:46 No.87301361 Report

Quoted By: >>87302069

>>87301285
I'm talking about Sentry ya melon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 20:30:23 No.87301410 Report

Quoted By:

>>87293824
>which hero is DC's Spider-Man?

Terry McGinnis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 21:13:23 No.87302069 Report

Quoted By: >>87304299

>>87301361
O-oh
My bad
Remender seemed to have a cool arc planned

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 21:29:15 No.87302337 Report

Quoted By:

>>87293824
lobo design copy wolverine

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Oct 2016 23:12:29 No.87304299 Report

Quoted By:

>>87302069
yeah, "Rising Sun" iirc.

Shame almost everything cool was scrapped and we're left with this pile of steaming shit Marvel is right now. World War Bob when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Oct 2016 00:52:04 No.87306035 Report

Quoted By:

>>87299108
No anon can fly and is strong must be supes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Oct 2016 00:58:34 No.87306155 Report

Quoted By:

>>87293736
I liked the worlds nuttiest.

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