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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 18:12:06 2016 No.78953212 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>78953269 >>78953607 >>78953898

What's the general consensus on the Snyder Batman comics(and I guess the other batman series ongoing)? I recently bought all 7 volumes in hard cover because they're cheap as fuck on Amazon. Currently finishing up on Zero Year and loving it.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:13:02 No.78953233 Report

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I like it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:14:42 No.78953265 Report

Quoted By: >>78953282 >>78953306 >>78953881

Dogshit. Snyder writes incredibly boring stories featuring an even more boring Bruce. Factor in his absolutely atrocious dialogue, recycled Morrison plots, and his ridiculous hard on for the joker and you've got,one of the worst Batman runs of all time. Only good thing about it is Capullo. Also consider suicide for enjoying it, Snyderfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:15:06 No.78953269 Report

Quoted By: >>78953300 >>78953306

>>78953212

>general consensus

There fucking isn't one, you're on /co/.

I like most of his stuff, but I think he is too fond of using the Joker--my favorite story of his was Court of Owls, and the Clown was nowhere to be seen. Death of the Family was lackluster, but Endgame was pretty okay.

inb4 the Snyder hate brigade
inb4 Snyder Defense Force
Welcome to /co/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:15:58 No.78953282 Report

Quoted By: >>78953320 >>78953336 >>78956290

>>78953265
What are some good collections I should pick up then? I'm new to actually collecting and reading comics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:17:25 No.78953300 Report

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>>78953269
Yes I agree. I enjoyed the Court of Owls way more. I'm so tired of the joker being shoved into every plot. AKA The Arkham games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:17:53 No.78953306 Report

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>>78953265
>>78953269

Dammit, so close.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:18:34 No.78953320 Report

Quoted By: >>78953362 >>78953381

>>78953282
Have you not read Morrison's bat run? And the only good Snyder book is Black Mirror,,

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:18:58 No.78953336 Report

Quoted By: >>78953381 >>78953384

>>78953282

If you want a really good Batman run, get Grant Morrison. If you don't mind it not being Bruce under the cowl, read his Batman & Robin run. Dick and Damian best dynamic duo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:20:18 No.78953362 Report

Quoted By: >>78953416

>>78953320
I have not. The only "comic book" Batman material I'm familiar with is the animated movies and Arkham games. So guess Miller and Snyder would be all I know about in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:21:07 No.78953381 Report

Quoted By: >>78953449 >>78953463 >>78953881

I don't like any of his Joker stuff aside from maaaaybe Endgame because there was an actual mystery going on with actual detective work.

Court of Owls is pretty good, even if its similar to the Black Glove. Its one of those concepts that'll work really well in new non-canon Batmedia unlike the Black Glove.
Night of the Owls flubbed it since Snyder can't into endings
Death of the Family was shit.
Zero Year I absolutely loved, especially the art work. The colouring was perfect for the almost Silver-Age-esque tone
Endgame, see above.
And GordonBats is a nice, relaxing little escapade where I don't have to worry about Snyder flubbing a "WILL BATMAN OR THE FAMILY DIE?"

>>78953320
>>78953336
>telling a newbie to read Morrisons run
Stop.
Morrisons run is at its best after you've read a lot more Batman stories and more Morrison stories

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:21:26 No.78953384 Report

Quoted By: >>78953449

>>78953336
I'll have to check it out. I love the Damian Wayne Robin.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:23:01 No.78953416 Report

Quoted By: >>78953461 >>78954121

>>78953362
Get on it. All you need to really read are the Batman, Batman and Robin, Return of Bruce Wayne, and Batman Inc parts. Rest is negligible. Batman and Robin in particular is probably my favorite run ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:24:50 No.78953449 Report

Quoted By: >>78953848

>>78953381

Court of Owls is fucking nothing like the Black Glove, unless you boil it way the fuck down to "evil secret society."

Also Morrison's run reads perfectly well for someone who wants to get into the Bat, stop being an elitist.

>>78953384

Damian best Robin. --tt--

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:25:26 No.78953461 Report

Quoted By: >>78953482

>>78953416
I'll definitely have to. I'm just slowly picking up collections every few weeks when I finish what I have. Most likely going to buy Knightfall and Hush soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:25:32 No.78953463 Report

Quoted By: >>78953934

>>78953381
Stop babying newbies, Morrisonfag. Morrison is fine for beginners and the run is annotated online anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:26:32 No.78953482 Report

Quoted By: >>78953496

>>78953461
>Hush
>Knightfall

Anon, just stop. Please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:27:08 No.78953496 Report

Quoted By: >>78953555 >>78953642 >>78953727 >>78956418

>>78953482
Everyone says they're good. Are they not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:27:46 No.78953505 Report

Quoted By: >>78953555 >>78954054

His run on 'Tec with Dickbats was his best batman work

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:29:55 No.78953555 Report

Quoted By: >>78953814

>>78953505
>'Tec
Stop

>>78953496
Mediocre, but if you e'njoy Snyder you'll probably enjoy those too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:32:25 No.78953607 Report

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>>78953212
It's really good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:34:13 No.78953642 Report

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>>78953496
They're not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:37:49 No.78953727 Report

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>>78953496
I haven't read Knightfall, but Hush is one of those stories you shouldn't read twice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:40:21 No.78953798 Report

Quoted By: >>78953887 >>78953899 >>78954287 >>78954534

Newbie Batman material:
Year One
Year Two
Zero Year
Court of Owls
Knightfall
Black Mirror
Long Halloween
Dark Victory
Hush
Dini's Detective Stories

Intermediate Batstories:
Dark Knight Returns
O'Neil and Adams Batman run
Batman Black and White

Advanced Batman stuff:
The Dark Knight Strikes Again
Batman Golden Age Omnibus
Morrison Bat Epic

There's definitely others, but that's what came to mind off the top of my head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:41:01 No.78953814 Report

Quoted By: >>78953840

>>78953555
>Stop

why? Black Mirror is legitimately the best Batman story he wrote

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:42:16 No.78953840 Report

Quoted By: >>78953957 >>78953962

>>78953814
I'm not denying that "'Tec" sounds fucking stupid though.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:42:33 No.78953848 Report

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>>78953449
>Damian best Robin
My man. Wish I could find more cute art of Damian, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:43:26 No.78953881 Report

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>>78953265
This

Morrison was better

Shouldn't use Joker for more than 1 big story

>>78953381
Yeah, Owls ending was cheap

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:43:39 No.78953887 Report

Quoted By: >>78953928

>>78953798
>DKSA
Ehhhhhh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:44:04 No.78953898 Report

Quoted By: >>78953952

>>78953212
>>78953212

Awful. Dumbing down for the Nolan audience. Laughable, cringe-worthy exposition. "OMG JOKER I HATE YOU SO MUCH." Just a retread of better past stories.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:44:05 No.78953899 Report

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>>78953798
I'd bone up on all the media too, there's a lot. The serials, The Adam West show and movie, The Burton films, the Joel Schumacher movies, the Nolan films, Batman: The Animated Series, Batman Beyond, Justice League (Unlimited), The Batman, Batman: The Brave and the Bold. All worth checking out. I never saw the new CGI Bat show they did, don't know if that was good or not, but you should check that out too.

It's all part of the hyperverse that is Batman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:45:10 No.78953928 Report

Quoted By: >>78954062

>>78953887
Give it another read, it's pure art.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:45:29 No.78953934 Report

Quoted By: >>78954086

>>78953463
>Morrison is fine for beginners and the run is annotated online anyway.
No, Morrison's run is about the history of Batman and relies on the reader knowing that history

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:45:43 No.78953940 Report

Quoted By: >>78954125

This is the best batman run on in the last 20 years
Snyder has taken Batman and made a modern day primetime tv show out of the comic

He's a great Batman writer one of the best

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:46:21 No.78953952 Report

Quoted By: >>78954030

>>78953898
Are you talking about Snyder or Morrison?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:46:31 No.78953957 Report

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>>78953840
And?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:46:39 No.78953962 Report

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>>78953840
Are you five?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:49:00 No.78954024 Report

Quoted By: >>78954114 >>78954125

I wouldn't recommend Morrison's run to anyone who is just getting into Batman
That's the problem with Morrison fans they think everyone is a super hardcore leet comic reader like myself type when some people just want a cool story about batman

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:49:05 No.78954030 Report

Quoted By: >>78954101 >>78954112

>>78953952

Snyder. Morrison's run was one of the medium's, and certainly the character's best. A masterclass.

Snyder's is the same derivative shit with BIG moments that amount to nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:50:01 No.78954054 Report

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>>78953505
It used to be
Then he wrote Zero Year and that became his best

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:50:16 No.78954062 Report

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>>78953928
It all seemed weird,, with the Dick thing based off of something that was mentioned once, Hal coming out of fucking nowhere (he's also bigger than a planet) and did nothing, and the art was pretty awful compared to Miller's older stuff. Also, the news segments were awful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:51:02 No.78954086 Report

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>>78953934
No, it doesn't. Everything is explained and Morrison alters things so much a lot of elements are in-name-only.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:51:43 No.78954101 Report

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>>78954030
>what about joe chill
>NOTHING

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:52:12 No.78954112 Report

Quoted By: >>78954148 >>78954829

>>78954030
>the same derivative shit with BIG moments that amount to nothing.

Again, Snyder or Morrison?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:52:18 No.78954114 Report

Quoted By: >>78954185 >>78954215

>>78954024
I'm up for reading anything. I was the type that wanted to read from the very beginning and go through everything but that's just impossible. That's just because I'm used to mediums where a story is told from start to end. Sour finally just said fuck it and started with the new 52 stuff. But I want to get collections of the "big" or good stuff. There's just no realistic way I could read everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:52:31 No.78954121 Report

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>>78953416
Were Batman #684-#699 done by a fill-in or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:52:45 No.78954125 Report

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>>78954024
>I wouldn't recommend Morrison's run to anyone who is just getting into Batman

I would. It's a perfect starting point and you can go back and check out what he's referencing from there.

>>78954024
>That's the problem with Morrison fans they think everyone is a super hardcore leet comic reader like myself type when some people just want a cool story about batman

A Nolan casual. That's fine. Snyder gives you easy stories of Batman grunting and punching his way through Gotham.

>>78953940
>Snyder has taken Batman and made a modern day primetime tv show out of the comic

Yes because primetime network television is the epoch of quality media where working within the confines and opportunities of graphic arts is somehow inferior.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:53:46 No.78954148 Report

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>>78954112
>Again, Snyder or Morrison?

Cuuute

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:54:51 No.78954185 Report

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>>78954114
If you like that, I'd recommend moving outside capes altogether, although there are a few cape characters/runs that are possible to read in that format.

But, yeah, it'd be really damn difficult to read Batman that way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:55:08 No.78954196 Report

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>its a "Morrison is the be all and end all of *character*" thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:55:38 No.78954215 Report

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>>78954114
Morrison's run is good, but massively overhyped. It's not particularly complex, people just attach too much significance to his callbacks and references.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:57:24 No.78954263 Report

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I just got into Batman too, here's what I've read.
Year one
The killing joke
The dark knight returns
Bqtman: Hush (like others' said its not that good but when you're new it's pretty cool seeing all the villains and even a fight with superman in one book)
The Long Halloween
Arkham Asylum

I thought they were all pretty good and easy for a beginner. I'll probably start reading Morrison's run now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 18:58:09 No.78954287 Report

Quoted By: >>78954585

>>78953798
>recommending TDKSA without ASBAR
Come on

Also
>Year Two
Absolutely not. It was shit and unnecessary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:07:12 No.78954534 Report

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>>78953798
Put Killing Joke in Intermediate, the Man who Laughs in beginner, Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader in Advanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:08:40 No.78954585 Report

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>>78954287
I forgot ASBAR, to be honest. I'd put that in Advanced too. As for Year Two, I think it's fine for newbie material.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:09:46 No.78954621 Report

Quoted By: >>78954677 >>78954712

The faggots in here saying Morrison's Bat Epic is too hard to read for beginners...none of the references to past works are even remotely confusing. You guys are fucking dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:11:44 No.78954677 Report

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>>78954621

Same people that say All-Star's too complex or confusing for most.

Morrison, on capes, works on the surface as a satisfying action adventure romp and leave it up to you how deep you wanna go. You could think about it, analyze it, find meaning, go back and check out his references, or just enjoy it for a surface level fun story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:13:09 No.78954712 Report

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>>78954621
I don't think its too hard because of the references. In fact its don't think its that hard at all. If you miss something on your first read-through, just read it again and you'll see tons of things you never noticed.

I just think its more effective if you read it after other Batman stories because its tone feels so final, and that what Morrison was going for up until New52 fucked it hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:17:39 No.78954829 Report

Quoted By: >>78955133

>>78954112
At least put some effort into it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:30:12 No.78955133 Report

Quoted By: >>78955183

>>78954829
Morrison's Bat run literally ends with someone else defeating the villain before calling Batman childish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:32:05 No.78955183 Report

Quoted By: >>78955527

>>78955133
How is that a big moment that amounts to nothing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:46:57 No.78955527 Report

Quoted By: >>78955616

>>78955183
It'd be like if ASS ended with Ron Troupe beating Solaris, then leaving to fix the Sun while calling Superman a faggot.

Reading the last issue of Morrison's run left me with the impression that he really doesn't like his fans, possibly even superheroes. Something I've noticed about Grant's more recent works is that they can be interpreted in a very negative fashion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:50:12 No.78955616 Report

Quoted By: >>78955680

>>78955527
He was mad at New52

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:52:37 No.78955680 Report

Quoted By: >>78955722 >>78955837

>>78955616
That's pretty fucking childish of him then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:54:31 No.78955722 Report

Quoted By: >>78955798 >>78955800

>>78955680
No one fucking liked the New52.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:57:56 No.78955798 Report

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>>78955722
Yes, they did. You're not everyone, sorry to say.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:57:57 No.78955800 Report

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>>78955722
I'd say the ratio of good-to-average-to-shit was better post-Flashpoint than it was pre-Flashpoint. Sure, there were shitty books and shitty decisions with the Nu52, but pre-Flashpoint was approaching a goddamn trainwreck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 19:59:40 No.78955837 Report

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>>78955680
It majorly fucked up his plans since he was in the middle of his run. Dick was meant to be the Batman of Gotham and Bruce was meant to be the JL Batman but because of New52 he was forced to put Bruce back in the spotlight, retcon Steph out of the story, put Dick back to Nightwing and not have the ending he wanted.

The cherry on top is that he was ready and waiting to do something like this after Final Crisis, alongside Multiversity but DC said no

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 20:18:19 No.78956290 Report

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>>78953282
Pick up Morrison's run on Batman, it's honestly what Snyder's based his whole run off of, except not with such lackluster endings. A lot of people think Morrison can get too heavy into the meta side of comics, but his Batman run was pretty tame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 20:23:33 No.78956418 Report

Quoted By: >>78956670

>>78953496
Hush is one of those books that non-comics fans think is great. In practice, it reads like a kid telling you this cool dream he had where Batman beats up Killer Croc and then Catwoman shows up and then there's the Riddler and then and then and then

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2016 20:31:47 No.78956670 Report

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>>78956418

sensibly chuckled, true

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