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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 22:25:42 2015 No.77929469 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>77929544 >>77929568 >>77929579 >>77929610 >>77929664

>Superman has no good villains

This is a complaint normies often levy against Superman when they call him boring.

Yet while Superman has plenty of recognizable big-name villains (Metallo, Lex, Brainiac, the whole Intergang crew), movies always exclusively use only Lex or Zod.

Why?

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:27:32 No.77929500 Report

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>normies

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:30:17 No.77929544 Report

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>>77929469
>calls other people normies
>cares about what villains Superman faces in live-action movies

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:31:34 No.77929568 Report

Quoted By: >>77930137

>>77929469

normie here. who the fuck is metallo?

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:31:43 No.77929570 Report

Quoted By: >>77929608 >>77929670

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it's because Lex and Zod are the easiest to stick on the screen cheaply. They just look like normal guys.

Metallo and Brainiac are both robots, Bizarro needs to look like Superman with a zombie-coating over him, Myxzptlk is a magic elf who would require all kinds of special effects to do impressive shit, Parasite, Atomic Skull and Doomsday are all basically monsters, Livewire is a living lightning bolt.

Underlying theme here is that they all require a ton of make-up and/or CGI to do well on the screen.

Lex only require a business suit and a shaved head

(They could probably do Toyman, but no one would take that seriously)

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truteal !hlnuDLeBD2 Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:32:00 No.77929579 Report

Quoted By: >>77929611 >>77930217

>>77929469

Because they are the most iconic (Zod only because he appearing in the early Superman movies)

You forgot Darkseid (I'm not really sure why they haven't used him)

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:33:50 No.77929608 Report

Quoted By: >>77929632 >>77930116 >>77930314

>>77929570
But they never even make Lex bald in the movies

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:33:51 No.77929610 Report

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>>77929469
Tim Burton wanted to use Brainiac.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:33:55 No.77929611 Report

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>>77929579
Darkseid is like Thanos....why waste him in a Superman movie when you can blow your load with a Justice League movie?

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:35:02 No.77929632 Report

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>>77929608
Well, that just confirms the notion that they were super cheap, doesn't it? They couldn't even get LEX right, what chance would they have of doing anything else right?

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:35:32 No.77929644 Report

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Batman's villains are mirror images of him.

Supermam has no relation to his villains. They're just people for him to hit

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:36:24 No.77929664 Report

Quoted By: >>77930269

>>77929469

It's a shame. Brainiac and Metallo hell even Mr. Myxytpltk (fuck it i can't spell it and don't wanna at the moment) would be cool to see.

Atomic Skull and Parasite would be sweet, hell even Bizzaro.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:36:51 No.77929670 Report

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>>77929570
But intergang is literally just a gang

And they could lead into a Darkseid JLA movie

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:38:12 No.77929698 Report

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The reason they used Zod in Man of Murder was because they wanted Superman to punch somebody.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:56:29 No.77930088 Report

Quoted By: >>77930193

Lex is good so Superman can bully him with his powers. Zod is good so Superman can beat up someone of equal power. Getting in to Metallo or Parasite or any of the villains where Superman has to actually think things through fucks up the power fantasy.

Conversely, Batman gets his menagerie because Batman is all about the tools.

Superman's rogues gallery is better for ongoings anyway, because superman is such a powerhouse that it's kind of boring to see his villains plot and plan and then lose anyway. You can pull that off in an ongoing by having all the setup happening before the thing starts, do a bunch of scenes of Supes getting pushed around/apparently beaten, and then have him come back in the last bit to pull the win out. Films basically require establishment and a work down from the climax.

Now, if they could figure out a way to get around that, all the other villains would be great. Like in the upcoming film, they didn't NEED to use Zod to establish Bruce's antipathy towards superman. It could have just as easily been him any other villain stirring shit up and getting innocents killed on the sidelines. They went with Zod to establish continuity though, so that's kind of a shame.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:58:27 No.77930116 Report

Quoted By: >>77930220

>>77929608
He was bald in ALL OF THEM

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 22:59:46 No.77930137 Report

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>>77929568
Cyborg with a kryptonite heart.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:03:15 No.77930193 Report

Quoted By: >>77930736

>>77930088
>Getting in to Metallo or Parasite or any of the villains where Superman has to actually think things through fucks up the power fantasy.

Yeah but the number one complaint about Superman is that he's too powerful. Why is having somebody who is a threat to him bad?

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:04:44 No.77930217 Report

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>>77929579
Darkseid isn't exclusive to superman you normie.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:04:46 No.77930220 Report

Quoted By: >>77930246 >>77930283

>>77930116
Gene Hackman

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:06:00 No.77930246 Report

Quoted By: >>77930284

>>77930220
Not bald, wore a wig.
Several scenes were he was shown bald

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:07:12 No.77930269 Report

Quoted By: >>77930359

>>77929664
>we'll never get a full on Silver Age Bizarro in a Superman movie

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:08:08 No.77930283 Report

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>>77930220
He was wearing a wig. That's revealed in each and every movie. Watch them.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:08:08 No.77930284 Report

Quoted By: >>77930291 >>77930313 >>77931839

>>77930246
He refused to shave his head and act bald, so they gave him a bald cap for a couple scenes.

Lex Luthor has literally one consistent physical trait and the movies can't even get it right.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:08:38 No.77930291 Report

Quoted By: >>77930324

>>77930284
Except they did.
He was bald

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:09:41 No.77930313 Report

Quoted By: >>77930345

>>77930284
>one consistent physical trait
nigga you what

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:09:42 No.77930314 Report

Quoted By: >>77930956

>>77929608

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:10:20 No.77930324 Report

Quoted By: >>77930347

>>77930291
No, they didn't. He had hair in most scenes.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:11:23 No.77930345 Report

Quoted By: >>77930363 >>77931514 >>77932817

>>77930313
>this level of cherry picking
Nigga YOU what

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:11:30 No.77930347 Report

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>>77930324
A wig.
The character was still bald.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:12:15 No.77930359 Report

Quoted By: >>77930735

>>77930269
Bizarro would be the sweetest villain, I want him in a live action movie pretty badly.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:12:26 No.77930363 Report

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>>77930345
nigga you what

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:30:04 No.77930735 Report

Quoted By: >>77931406

>>77930359

But which version? Malformed clone or Earth-29?

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:30:06 No.77930736 Report

Quoted By: >>77930805

>>77930193
Because they're not really a threat. Superman's not going to lose in his own movie. You basically have to have a world threat, and Superman's job is to stop it or reduce collateral damage. Metallo showing up cackling "I will KILL Superman with my Kryptonite heart!" doesn't really mean much aside from Superman having to figure out a way around his weakness. That type of thing works in an episodic format, or during a team up to keep Superman from handling everything himself, but it doesn't really work as a primary form of conflict.

MAYBE we'll see that more with future team up movies, but for BvS, they needed a larger world threat for the inevitable team up.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:32:40 No.77930805 Report

Quoted By: >>77931008 >>77931824

>>77930736
>Because they're not really a threat. Batman's not going to lose in his own movie.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:34:03 No.77930847 Report

Quoted By: >>77930999

Parasite, Metallo, and Atomic Skull would be great non world threat level villains that we'll probably never see. A man can dream though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:35:02 No.77930874 Report

Quoted By: >>77930956 >>77931254

Did Jesse Eisenberg refuse to shave his head?. It's so simple and easy and your hair grows back, then you have that actor stand next to Henry Cavill whi exercised constantly and drank 5000 calories worth of protein shakes to become Superman.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:38:23 No.77930956 Report

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>>77930874
See
>>77930314
The theory is by the end of the film Lex will have Kryptonite cancer and less of the eccentric public figure we saw in the trailer.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:40:27 No.77930999 Report

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>>77930847

Ever read Supermam For All Seasons, where after Superman shows up Lex starts developing a robot police force so that he can prove he can do a better job than Superman?

That's what a Superman origin movie should be.
>supermam shows up in metropolis
>lex gets jelly
>they clash
>lex makes metallo

There. Now you get a story that makes sense, can stand alone as a movie, and wide audiences get to see somebody get punched

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:40:47 No.77931008 Report

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>>77930805
Technically neither of them are going to lose. They'll fight to a stand still with Batman pulling a bunch of shit that surprises even Superman, Superman will go off about how Batman can't hurt him, Zuckerberg will release the Abomination so they can put their differences aside and Wonder Woman can inexplicably show up.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:51:53 No.77931254 Report

Quoted By: >>77931576

>>77930874
Actually a leaked BvS lego set shows Lex with 'removable' hair. So yeah, he probably is bald and uses wigs.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:55:03 No.77931322 Report

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I just realized that I'd love a big budget Superman movie with Mr. Mxyzptlk as the villain.

Also, did they actually canonize the Anti-Life Equation to be Mr. Mxyzptlk + Bat-Mite = Anti-Life?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2015 23:58:35 No.77931406 Report

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>>77930735
It's been a while since I read any bizarro story, but I do love the one that rules Bizarropolis or something, I think it's the earth-29 version.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2015 00:04:32 No.77931514 Report

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>>77930345
Luthor has hair all the time in the comics

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2015 00:07:43 No.77931576 Report

Quoted By: >>77931649

>>77931254
>lego mini-fig has removable hair

You don't say?

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2015 00:11:33 No.77931649 Report

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>>77931576
I know someone was going to be this dumb
As in, the hair is an accesory.
The normal appearance is without hair.
He doesn't even appear with hair in the front of the box.
Happy?

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2015 00:22:06 No.77931824 Report

Quoted By: >>77931874

>>77930805
I won't say it's not hypocritical, but I feel like it works more for Batman because, while he himself never loses, Batman takes hits. Batman takes losses. Losing Dick (as a friend/son, for awhile), losing Jason (literally), Barbara being shot, Harvey getting scared etc. Superman, to my knowledge, never really takes any hits. Lois, Jimmy, and Perry always make it out well. The only instance I can think of is losing Pa Kent, and I don't think that's ever been villain related but always more of an example of human mortality and how Clark can't save everyone.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2015 00:23:06 No.77931839 Report

Quoted By: >>77931860

>>77930284
>he refused to act bald
>act bald
Wut

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2015 00:24:07 No.77931860 Report

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>>77931839
Not pretend to be bald, act while in the state of being bald

Literacy, friend.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2015 00:25:12 No.77931874 Report

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>>77931824
Supwrman just has a smaller cast

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2015 00:25:52 No.77931888 Report

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Mongul and Metallo are my favorites.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2015 01:12:24 No.77932817 Report

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>>77930345
he's had hair a ton of times you dummy

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2015 01:46:31 No.77933640 Report

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Mongul and Warworld
Brainiac and the bottled cities
Darkseid and the New Gods concept

They are really good villians, but at the same time, the scale of such villians is too damn high.
Every single of these concepts would require a lot of time, effort, and money to achieve on screen.

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