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Old Republic, But [Current Year]

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 12:08:04 2021 No.120083997 View Reply Original Report

You are pulling this sure-to-be-magnificent book, aren't (you) /co/mrades? I mean, the wrtier comes off such acclaimed series such as... uh... yeah, and the cast looks stellar!

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 12:16:37 No.120084065 Report

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>>120083997
I don't get why they didn't put Soule on it.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 12:19:07 No.120084086 Report

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>>120084065
Or why they didn't make the blondie the MC. I'd have given it a shot if it starred her and the white guy. Or some cool-looking alien. But I'm not trying
>sidecut "fiery and noble" brown grlll padawan going against authority to "do the right thing"

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 12:24:01 No.120084120 Report

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>>120084086
Oh, welp, time to take ti off my pull

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 12:52:42 No.120084297 Report

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>>120084065
Soule's on just the main novels (the first is already out) retard

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 12:55:15 No.120084309 Report

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>>120084297
How was it?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 12:57:01 No.120084319 Report

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>>120083997
That lightsaber on the far left is so badass.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 12:58:11 No.120084326 Report

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>>120083997
I don't get the anti-fans that flock to these series, if it's bad it's bad and if it's good it's good.
Why blow a gasket over it?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 13:16:21 No.120084487 Report

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>>120083997
I'm not that interested in it because the time period is a tediously conservative setting and it will almost certainly backfire. But even if it is shit, why care? 95% of Star Wars comics are shitty.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 13:17:19 No.120084499 Report

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>>120083997
Muslim Mando on the right?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 13:21:13 No.120084525 Report

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I'm looking forward to the High Republic stuff desu. Star Wars has been stagnant as hell because none of the side stuff can do anything outside of the movies so I'm hoping this is breath of fresh air.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 13:34:28 No.120084604 Report

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>NOOOOO YOU CANT USE THE WORD REPUBLIC WITHOUT RIPPING OFF KOTOR EVEN THOUGH ITS TERMINOLOGY THE PREQUELS AND OT USED
Retard

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 13:39:54 No.120084661 Report

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>>120084297
>>120084309
It's not out yet. It comes out later this week.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 13:44:42 No.120084711 Report

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Theres a launch event livestream in 3 hours.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 13:45:43 No.120084719 Report

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>>120084711
What's it gonna be about? It says you can buy it tomorrow

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 13:48:10 No.120084735 Report

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>>120084719
I imagine not much, probably just a roundtable from the creators
https://youtu.be/uILPgvzj708

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 14:03:30 No.120084906 Report

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>>120083997
It's different in terms of not really having an MC, but that makes the whole thing feel a bit directionless. The whiteboard said the writers wanted High Republic to have a true ending though so maybe I'm wrong.

Aesthetically it does really remind me of the Knights of the Old Republic comic though.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 14:24:19 No.120085116 Report

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>>120083997
Will only be good if they potray the Jedi as the ill-judged little shits they really are.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 14:31:02 No.120085186 Report

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>>120085116
>Dealing this much in absolutes
You stink of sith. Don't forget to sleep with an eye open, expendable meat.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 14:40:04 No.120085273 Report

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>>120085186
You know the whole absolutes thing was meant to show how hypocritical the jedi were right...

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 14:42:09 No.120085299 Report

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>>120084319
Why? The purpose of a weapon like that would be to trap something which is pointless with a lightsaber and if it were a solid blade it would be weaker and prone to shattering against a solid blade.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 14:57:38 No.120085495 Report

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>>120085273
And I suppose they wanted to drive the point home by having it said to a guy who just murdered a room full of children in cold blod, who just threatened his closest, most faithfull friend for disagreeing with him. I guess it is trully hypocritial and intolerant of Obi-Wan to not like genocide, number one practice for dark side aligned characters.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 14:59:18 No.120085510 Report

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>>120084906
Is this a miraluka on the left?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 15:00:51 No.120085533 Report

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>>120085495
Bro people shat on that line for years because they thought it was nonsense. The line itself is inherently hypocritical. It doesn't mean Obi Wan is the same as fucking Anakin, you retard. I am honestly so tired of prequel fuckers that just like the big flashy scenes without actually understanding what the movies were saying.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 15:00:59 No.120085535 Report

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>>120085273
It just showed how bad Lucas is at dialogue.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 15:11:26 No.120085672 Report

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>>120085510
Yes.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Q%27Anilia

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 15:29:29 No.120085880 Report

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>>120085672
Fuck, togrutas really need some kind of a headband or something, that's disturbing.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 15:32:03 No.120085909 Report

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>>120085273
No, it was a dig at George W. Bush.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 16:03:11 No.120086300 Report

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 16:03:17 No.120086302 Report

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>>120085880
They don't look so bad in Clone Wars. The elongated heads make it look less weird imo.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 16:06:26 No.120086347 Report

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>>120085880
Desu Ahsoka is a very poor example of a Togruta. They are supposed to look like aliens not just gypsies sporting county fair level make up job with added DSL. Hell I remember the times when people used to theorize Ahsoka was actually part human.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 16:07:44 No.120086372 Report

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>>120086347
Nu-Ahsoka looks awful in every medium. Ahsoka during the Clone Wars period looked fine.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 16:08:49 No.120086390 Report

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I WANT TO BANG AHSOKA. SHE IS SO HOT AND CUTE. I WANT HER TO DATE ME.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 16:14:34 No.120086476 Report

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>>120086347
Yeah Ahsoka has always had a very inconsistent design that's not really in line with any other Trogruta we've seen. You could make the case she's a member of some kind of subspecies since we know they already come in multiple colors anyway, but it's a bit flimsy.

Evidently Filoni wasn't fond of her looking like a traditional adult Togruta with the big forehead and long montrals, although the latter was just for practical reasons in Mandalorian. They could've just CGI'd longer montrals onto Rosario for stunt purposes and have the longer parts detach, but I guess they didn't want to pay for all that.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 16:20:20 No.120086561 Report

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>>120085273
Anakin has just gone through several scenes shrieking autistically that you either obey him unconditionally or you're his enemy, the line is a perfectly sincere example of Lucas' clunky dialogue.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 16:40:55 No.120086885 Report

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>>120084065
Disney prefers their star wars to be souleless.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 16:47:50 No.120086999 Report

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>>120086347
>Hell I remember the times when people used to theorize Ahsoka was actually part human.
Nah, only her children.

Hey, oyakodon is fucking a mother and her daughter. So if Ahsoka fucked Anakin and Luke, is that still oyakodon, or a different term?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 16:50:42 No.120087041 Report

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>>120086476
>>120086302
Still better when they wear some headband, or these ritual teeth, or whatever the fuck it is, like Shaak Ti and Ahsoka. Without them, it looks unnatural.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:01:19 No.120087225 Report

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>>120086885
HA
i'm tuning in lads

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:02:53 No.120087253 Report

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>kennedy

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:05:05 No.120087287 Report

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yikes

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:05:29 No.120087303 Report

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>>120087041
True. Most Twi'leks wear headbands too, at least Aayla.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:05:56 No.120087311 Report

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>>120087287

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:08:36 No.120087357 Report

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>>120087311

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:13:31 No.120087427 Report

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>>120087357

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:14:42 No.120087452 Report

Quoted By: >>120087832 >>120088362

>>120087427
oh no, they are not retconning those shitty sequels

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:18:29 No.120087522 Report

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>>120085273
>the prequels were smart and great actually
lol no, that's just cope over how shitty the new movies are, dialogue still sucks ass in the prequels

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:38:36 No.120087832 Report

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>>120087452
For now

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:47:34 No.120087982 Report

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>>120087522
No the prequels were pretty bad but there were some neat ideas there.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:56:07 No.120088124 Report

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What a load of garbage, desu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:56:32 No.120088132 Report

Quoted By: >>120088148 >>120088261 >>120088293 >>120090749 >>120096385

So The High Republic is just a flat-out replacement/retcon of The Old Republic or are they different eras?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:57:21 No.120088148 Report

Quoted By: >>120088293

>>120088132
Different eras. High Republic is like 300 years before the Phantom Menace.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 17:57:53 No.120088157 Report

Quoted By: >>120088229 >>120088336 >>120097184

>>120083997
The author literally bragged about putting satanic messages in this series. Can’t wait until that starts spreading around more, Disney would probably have to fire him if the general public hears about that.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:00:06 No.120088199 Report

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>>120087287
She does look like some kind of SW alien
But I thought she had gotten the boot or something

>>120087311
Based chat

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:01:55 No.120088229 Report

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>>120088157
No one cares about satanic panic except a handful of crazies anymore, it's a boy-who-cried-wolf type of thing.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:03:54 No.120088261 Report

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>>120088132
It looks Old Republic-y but this is more of a set up for the prequels in the same way stories like Jedi Fallen Order, Solo, Rogue One and Rebels are in an era that sets up the originals. Basically High Republic showcases the height of the Republic like the era between the PT and OT is the height of the Empire.

Disney haven't touched anything prior to 1000 years before the prequel trilogy when the Jedi and Sith were at war, that's probably reserved for future movies somewhere down the line.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:05:41 No.120088293 Report

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>>120088132
Skeptical anons swear that High Republic is Disney maliciously replacing the Old Republic.

Nevermind the fact that Revan has been made canon again, that Disney is selling Revan merch, and that they have flat out acknowledged the Old Republic in The Secrets of The Jedi, and acknowledged it being and era thousands of years in the past.

As anon (>>120088148) said, High Republic is meant to be a clean storytelling slate set hundreds of years before the movies and completely disconnected from them.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:06:31 No.120088315 Report

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>>120083997
Is that a muslim jedi on the far right? Insha'Allah

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:07:42 No.120088336 Report

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>>120088157
What?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:08:59 No.120088358 Report

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>>120084326
>Why blow a gasket over it?
No one is "blowing a gasket" over it. It is just when they constantly make products which are "anti-fan", long term fans react: some of them are bemused, some are angry, some want to laugh at the dumpster fire. Most people don't have a problem with people making new media that caters to loads of people. They do have a problem when established media veers off in odd directions.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:09:03 No.120088360 Report

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>>120083997
Is that a black lightsaber? wasn't the Mandalorian one the only one?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:09:11 No.120088362 Report

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>>120087452
of course they aren't you fucking idiot
why do you take tv memes seriously

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:12:57 No.120088420 Report

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>>120088362
because they killed star wars, that's why

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:15:42 No.120088471 Report

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>>120088358
Pretty much everything Disney is putting out with Star Wars lately is pure fan service though. In what world is CGI young Luke mercing a bunch of motherfuckers and Temeura Morrison coming back to play Fat Fett anti-fan? Even High Republic is pretty far away from "anti-fan", whatever the fuck that means.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:16:11 No.120088480 Report

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>>120088362
They should, there is nothing worth saving from that era.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:16:54 No.120088501 Report

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>>120088358
Most of this makes sense given Star Wars tries to keep a modified form of Taoism as its central truth.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:19:18 No.120088540 Report

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>>120088471
>In what world is CGI young Luke mercing a bunch of motherfuckers and Temeura Morrison coming back to play Fat Fett anti-fan?
Because that's Filoni and Favreau, people who actually love and understand Star Wars, and one of them is literally Lucas' protégé.

High Republic looks absolutely wrong, gay and cringe. Plus, it's some worthless books and comics. Literally 1% of the fanbase is going to bother with them.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:19:18 No.120088541 Report

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>>120088471
anti-fan means they released one (1) thing that had a woman or dark skin human (or god forbid, a combo of both!) and it triggered me, so now everything else those characters aren't even in is automatically ruined by association and make me hate it; aka anti-fan.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:20:55 No.120088575 Report

Quoted By: >>120088993 >>120090011

>watching the liverstream start, the trailer
>AN INTERCONNECTED MEGA EVENT
>across books, comics, and magazines!
And? They did this with Shadows of the Empire in the 90s? Comic, book, toys, video game.

>>120088471
I am talking about comics/books more so than The Mandalorian. The new canon of books have been very bad. The problem with Star Wars is this:
>TFA was popular.
>Disney annouce loads of new stuff.
>Some good.
>TLJ is awful.
>Rise of Skywalker is awful.
>Plans are put on hold.
>The mandalorian is popular.
>People like it.
>Disney annouce loads of new stuff.
>???????
I like The Mandalorian but it doesn't mean Star Wars is saved.

>>120088501
I'm worried about who is doing this High Republic stuff. Yeah some of it makes sense but other bits.

>>120088541
Anti fan means: the books, comics and games have been incredibly bland. Story wise. Don't be an idiot.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:22:26 No.120088605 Report

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Meh, I'm just glad that the mouse is not touching KotoR (for now).

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:22:38 No.120088608 Report

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>>120088540
>Plus, it's some worthless books and comics. Literally 1% of the fanbase is going to bother with them.
Anon, stop and think about how many fans haven't forgiven Disney for taking the former EU and making them Legends. Can we agree that we might be talking about more than 1%?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:24:42 No.120088652 Report

Quoted By: >>120088705

>>120088608
In comparison to movies/tv-shows audience? Yeah, like 1-5%.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:24:50 No.120088655 Report

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>>120088608
>Anon, stop and think about how many fans haven't forgiven Disney for taking the former EU and making them Legends.
Eh real fans of the EU know that it has always been a bit hit and miss. The thing is, even the miss shit would sometimes be memorable. I think my problem with this new shit is it treads old ground while also be thoroughly boring.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:25:51 No.120088677 Report

Quoted By: >>120090011

>>120088471
>Pretty much everything Disney is putting out with Star Wars lately is pure fan service though.
The Sequels were fan service?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:27:35 No.120088705 Report

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>>120088652
Well shit. That is a very loud 1-5%.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:33:43 No.120088839 Report

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>>120088229
DC cancelled a Vertigo book over Jesus’s depiction, you really think Disney would let something as in the spotlight as Star Wars be associated with satanic shit?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:35:15 No.120088870 Report

Quoted By: >>120089026 >>120090471

>>120088541
>anti-fan means
So are you saying that EAs use of the license has been pro fan? Bland multiplayer shooters, Fallen Order which was expensive/short and cancelling all the good sounding projects (1313, another RPG sounding thing). Compare that to how loved the old Lucasarts games are.

Do you think the Aftermath books were pro-fan? Making post-ROTJ so incredibly boring there is a reason people REALLY like the Mandalorian universe building. Far more boring than the Thrawn trilogy. Some terrible writing, some terrible passages that make people cringe.

Do you think the Marvel comics are pro-fan? Vader, Star Wars, Doctor Aphra. Hey look Han had a wife that turns up and shit happens. The original Marvel comics from decades ago were better. Most of this new stuff does nothing new as well.

When I say "anti-fan" I don't care about diversity or your culture war. I am saying a lot of multimedia for Star Wars is bad right now. The Mandalorian has won back a lot of fans because it was back to basics. But it makes me worry that they are using that fan capital to now expand rapidly again. What happens if those new shows are bad? Where are the good comics, games and books? They need different writers.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:40:52 No.120088993 Report

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>>120088575
It’s crazy how KK absolute lack of planning has done more damage than what literally anyone thought was possible

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:42:10 No.120089026 Report

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>>120088870
>Hey look Han had a wife that turns up
Not that I disagree with your point, but that was actually a bait and switch.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:47:26 No.120089142 Report

Quoted By: >>120089286

Alright lorefags here's a question. Are there any significant differences in technology between SW eras? These all seem like they're been taking place in the same time period except for characters. I mean what's the point of calling 1000 years ago or later when nearly all time periods have the same technology?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:48:23 No.120089158 Report

Quoted By: >>120089358

>>120089026
Yeah I know. I just found the bait and switch to be boring. A lot of those comics just throw up stuff like that. It doesn't really interest me. I find some of the bizarre older Dark Horse stuff to be awful but it still has more interesting moments.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:51:09 No.120089195 Report

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>>120088541
weak bait

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:55:04 No.120089286 Report

Quoted By: >>120089461 >>120089650

>>120089142
In Dawn of the Jedi (set between 25,000-15,000 years BBY) they don't have hyperdrives but there is a race called the Kwa with infinity gates. They don't have lightsabres but some evil race called the Rakata had forcesabres (activiated by hate). So ancient races like the Kwa and Gree had good technology. The Rakata had technology literally powered by force users and stole tech form the Kwa.

Then eventually there are hyperdrives and shit. But it seems like the universe technology has been stagnant for 15,000 odd years. Sometimes it seems like more technology is lost than created. People constantly create new doomsday weapons. Or really good communication (didn't the Sith Emperor command all his forces from one base around a star?) In the older EU post-ROTJ you had shit like the Sun Crusher (which was like a Starfighter that could make suns go supernova).

Somehow the galaxy has been stagnant for all that time. Well maybe not stagnant. But it seems things get invented and forgotten about. But a good blaster, armor, lightsabre or hyperdrive is forever.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 18:57:42 No.120089358 Report

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>>120089158
>A lot of those comics just throw up stuff like that.
While I totally agree, and generally dismiss the comics for that reason, there are the occasional diamonds in the rough, like this scene, or *that* issue of Vader.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:02:05 No.120089461 Report

Quoted By: >>120089536 >>120089564

>>120089286
EU lore was not requested

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:05:21 No.120089536 Report

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>>120089461
>Alright lorefags here's a question.
Okay?
>I mean what's the point of calling 1000 years ago
Then why did you ask this? High Republic isn't 1000 years ago. You have to talk about the EU to answer your question. Unless you just want me to say: SWs technology doesn't seem to change much over the movies unless maybe you want to say Starkiller base because that could destroy multiple planets? I guess.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:06:38 No.120089564 Report

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>>120089461
Why does that matter when the answer remains more or less the same?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:10:39 No.120089650 Report

Quoted By: >>120089907

>>120089286
Aren't there also supposed to be like hyper technological celestial stuff that's millions of years old?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:14:16 No.120089737 Report

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New graphic novel

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:15:39 No.120089765 Report

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>Supreme Chancellor Lina Soh, who leads the Republic during the High Republic era

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:16:41 No.120089785 Report

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oh no no no no, just look at this

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:20:50 No.120089875 Report

Quoted By: >>120090013

>>120083997
I'm making my way through the old EU before I even touch Disney Star Wars again. Surely by the time I've read all the best EU stuff some decent Disney stuff will have accumulated.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:21:20 No.120089886 Report

Quoted By: >>120090006

>>120088471
>Pretty much everything Disney is putting out with Star Wars lately is pure fan service though.
To its detriment. I don't expect this to change, though. Star Wars has had this problem for decades.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:21:53 No.120089897 Report

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>>120089765
Do white girls really?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:22:17 No.120089907 Report

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>>120089650
>celestial stuff
The Tho Yor things that did the Great Migration look just like the thing Anakin/Ahsoka/Obi Wan encountered before going to Mortis and meeting The Ones in the Clone Wars. The Tho Yor brought people to Tython and established the Je'daii. It was either Celestial made or Kwa made (and I think the Kwa had dealings with Celestials?) So they were made like 25,000 BBY.

I forget but there is also that book where The Ones (from Mortis) asked some races to build that base in the Maw to trap their Mother (Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse). The Ones/Celestials are often used interchangeable but who knows if they are the same. And that station trapping mother was one of the oldest known artifacts at 100,000 BBY.

The problem is every artifact or location in SW from original movies is used in so much EU stuff. Like Sith Temples on Yavin IV and stuff like that.

>>120089737
>>120089785
Isn't this a YA graphic novel?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:22:49 No.120089924 Report

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>>120083997
I miss when star wars was allowed to have heroic white male protagonist instead of only seeing feminist power fantasies again and again for over 6 year snow

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:24:50 No.120089974 Report

Quoted By: >>120090621 >>120090763 >>120090937 >>120095840

>>120089737
wow, there seriously is zero things with male protagonist.
the other 2 comics also only have female protagonist and the one 1 book with a male character also has a black "strong wyman" who will be written as better then him in every way with him just being side cast as "stupdi white male comic relief"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:25:39 No.120089988 Report

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>>120089907
>25,000 BBY.
They are actually older by like 10k years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:26:41 No.120090006 Report

Quoted By: >>120090218

>>120089886
The problem is Star Wars can either do "back to basics" simple shit that fans like. Or ridiculous new crap that somehow still treads over older ground. One or the other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:27:03 No.120090011 Report

Quoted By: >>120090109 >>120090133

>>120088575
>Anti fan means: the books, comics and games have been incredibly bland. Story wise. Don't be an idiot.
Why not just say it's bland instead of prescribing some weird malice to the creators? You sound psychotic when you say "everything star wars is ANTI FAN".

>>120088677
Why quote me if you're going to omit shit from it? I said everything lately. They've been going full pure fanservice since TROS, and even Mando couldn't escape it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:27:19 No.120090013 Report

Quoted By: >>120090132

>>120089875
>Surely by the time I've read all the best EU stuff some decent Disney stuff will have accumulated.
There was already decent stuff right out the gate. Unlike the EU, most canonical material has been decent to good. The only real definitively bad content so far has been the Sequel Trilogy. Most of the rest is very enjoyable. You can just stop going through the EU (if you want) and just star picking up decent Star Wars stuff now because there's more than enough that's accumulated after 8-9 years now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:32:26 No.120090109 Report

Quoted By: >>120091289

>>120090011
>Why not just say it's bland instead of prescribing some weird malice to the creators? You sound psychotic when you say "everything star wars is ANTI FAN".
Where did I say everything is anti-fan? Why are you strawmanning me and omitting shit? I clearly said that I was talking about comics, games and books. Why are you so intent on assigning me random labels simple for disagreeing with you? Nothing I said was "psychotic" I clearly told you my position. Where did I give any malice to the creators? I didn't. Wanting different creators is not malice but a question of taste. I don't hate the current writers as people.

I get that you are reading me as a "hater" who dislikes this new Star Wars shit and reading what I am saying in that tone. But I very thoroughly and calmly expressed my position about how a lot of new SW media is bad. The Mandalorian is the exception not the rule. I have no quarrel with you but I hate when people go across pretending like others are being "psychotic" when they are clearly just furthering a discussion.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:33:27 No.120090132 Report

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>>120090013
Even if that's true (I've also heard the opposite) I'd still rather wait till after I've read more EU stuff because I don't want to get the two timelines too mixed up in my brain. Also the movies just left a bad taste in my mouth, I don't really want to see anything associated with them for a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:33:28 No.120090133 Report

Quoted By: >>120091289

>>120090011
>Why quote me if you're going to omit shit from it? I said everything lately. They've been going full pure fanservice since TROS, and even Mando couldn't escape it.
The Mandalorian is the only fan service product you can accurately name. And the only other recently main Star Wars content has been the sequels. Don't say everything is fan service when you're factually wrong.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:37:30 No.120090218 Report

Quoted By: >>120090463

>>120090006
There's a lot you can do so long as you get out from under established characters and the movies. Darth Vader didn't need to be the product of a virgin birth, we didn't need to see the Emperor again, we didn't need the Empire Lite. I'm not saying prequels and sequels couldn't have been good, but it's not that surprising that they fucked up the way they did. Fanwank is a hard impulse to resist even if you're a sincere creator.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:49:05 No.120090463 Report

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>>120090218
The problem is SW is: the force, Jedi/Sith, criminal scum. ANH was like a DnD party with a Princess, Hero, Rogue, Old Wizard, side kicks. The Mandalorian worked because it went back to basics, taking influences to do simple morality tales/adventures with characters people like (hey this episode he saves a village). TLJ failed because it tried to be more complex (and failed at it), and all it did was make it such a narrative dead end with no real satisfaction. So the solution they have is to at least have fan satisfaction.

When you don't use established characters they always fall into the same archetypes. Hero, villain, jedi, sith, criminals & rogues. I remember when Shadow of the Empire had Dash Rendar who was basically Han 2.0. Some of the old EU tried to go off in odd directions. Some books felt more sci fi Star Trek-y than science/fantasy. Sometimes I think people who touch Star Wars end up a bit creatively bankrupt. There is an impetous to constantly go over and reuse the same stuff for synergy and expand on top of it. At least things like the Thrawn trilogy introduced a few characters who people still like to this day.

I dunno I am not really responding to you at this point and more rambling on. I really don't know what they can actually do now? Because business wise they will only ever go back to the things that people like. As a universe it will never really get out from that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:49:25 No.120090471 Report

Quoted By: >>120090564 >>120090848 >>120092517 >>120093291

>>120088870
I don't know why fans have to be a part of the conversation in the first place. Don't act like the fans are always right and the 90s and 00s were some golden era where everything was shining and universally acclaimed. Do we really need to have the old conversation about the reception of the prequels? If someone told me just seven years ago that Jon Favreau would be "saving Star Wars" by dropping AotC references in his show, I'd laugh at the idea. For every KoTOR II, there was TFU2. The EU lost its plot long ago and everything after New Jedi Order (itself a polarizing series) was a laughing stock.

Fan capital. Great. Star Wars fans don't know what they want and are such a diverse moloch of competing interests across three generations that to appeal to them all, you just have to go for the lowest common denominator. Ghoulish CGI Luke Skywalker slicing up droids in a hallway and a writer/director's pet character dropping references to a villain from a cheap licenced novel that came out thirty years ago. Wonderful artistry.

The problem is exactly that they care too much about the fans. The only moderately transgressive thing they did was The Last Jedi and even that ends with sweeping every issue it raised away and declaring HOLY SHIT LUKE SKYWALKER IS A GOD AND EVERYONE LOVES HIM FUCK YEAH JEDI FOREVER. TFA was fine-tuned to be exactly what the focus groups told them. TRoS was hastily trying to reassure Reddit that no, actually, nothing we said in TLJ was meant seriously. RO and Solo were nothing but exercises in worldbuilding hung upon weak plots and shallow characters. All the novels are inconsequential, the best comics are Vader books, all of which retell the same story, following the same themes and character arc for their protagonist, Rebels became a TCW sequel after the first season and Fallen Order is a lukewarm mashup of stories we've seen before. The entire Disney era is nothing but pandering. Top to bottom.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:53:07 No.120090552 Report

Quoted By: >>120090639

>>120089785
>NO YOU CAN'T HAVE CUTE IN STAR WARS ANYTHING BUT CUTE
Grow up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:53:33 No.120090564 Report

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>>120090471
Honestly, the only good EU content was RPG sourcebooks and the earlier content which built off them. The later EU content merely used Star Wars as the inspiration for Star Wars and it just got really circular and crappy, like with the whole Infinite Empire and Celestials and the Tho-Yor and all this other crap that didn't need to fucking exist. Also the only good KotOR content is the comic, the games are crappy CRPGs based of a mediocre TTRPG with a non-character that gets wanked to hell and back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:56:47 No.120090621 Report

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>>120089974
At least these are alien chicks and not another brown girl like everything else. It’s a step in the right direction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:57:05 No.120090634 Report

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>>120085909
But he believes the fish and man can coexist.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:57:27 No.120090639 Report

Quoted By: >>120090683 >>120090691 >>120090737 >>120090756 >>120091613

>>120090552
It's not cute, it's retarded.
Also
>lightsaber whip
>HOODIE IN STAR WARS

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:57:35 No.120090644 Report

Quoted By: >>120090752

>>120083997
Is that a fucking darksaber?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:58:19 No.120090658 Report

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>>120088358
How are any of these bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:59:18 No.120090683 Report

Quoted By: >>120090785

>>120090639
>HOODIE IN STAR WARS
Wew, Lad.
>hooded robes okay
>attaching a hood to a long sleeve piece of upper body clothing is too far

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:59:26 No.120090684 Report

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>>120087287
https://www.piratesandprincesses.net/rumor-lucasfilm-and-disney-writers-livid-over-luke-skywalker-and-white-male-leads/

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 19:59:48 No.120090691 Report

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>>120090639
>it's retarded
Why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:02:42 No.120090737 Report

Quoted By: >>120090812

>>120090639
>not knowing about lightwhips
Check out the newfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:02:59 No.120090745 Report

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>>120089785
oh hell yes lightwhips are back

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:03:05 No.120090749 Report

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>>120088132
From what I understand High Republic is basically retconning the era of Lord Hoth, Darth Bane, and the backstory of the Katarn games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:03:10 No.120090752 Report

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>>120090644
Well, it is a black lightsaber, but that is not all the Darksaber is, so no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:03:10 No.120090756 Report

Quoted By: >>120090812

>>120090639
>https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lightwhip/Legends
You guys just keep exposing yourselves.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:03:22 No.120090763 Report

Quoted By: >>120090918

>>120089974
>wow, there seriously is zero things with male protagonist.
Fucking retard
>Padawan Reath Silas is being sent from the cosmopolitan galactic capital of Coruscant to the undeveloped frontier—and he couldn't be less happy about it. He'd rather stay at the Jedi Temple, studying the archives. But when the ship he's traveling on is knocked out of hyperspace in a galactic-wide disaster, Reath finds himself at the center of the action. The Jedi and their traveling companions find refuge on what appears to be an abandoned space station. But then strange things start happening, leading the Jedi to investigate the truth behind the mysterious station, a truth that could end in tragedy....

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:04:32 No.120090785 Report

Quoted By: >>120090888 >>120093628

>>120090683
Yes. Doesn't look like Star Wars. Too earthy and modern. Star Wars is based on 20s-30s, 40s-50s, WW 2, Kurosawa and Western movies. That's why hoodies and side cut Californian nigs don't belong there. It looks hilarious and out of place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:05:34 No.120090812 Report

Quoted By: >>120090873

>>120090756
>>120090737
>DOOOOOOOOOOOD BUT EU DID IT FIRST!
EU was 80%+ garbage. Your point?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:05:55 No.120090825 Report

Quoted By:

>>120089785
>Lightwhip
Oh fuck me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:07:12 No.120090848 Report

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>>120090471
>I don't know why fans have to be a part of the conversation in the first place.
What's wrong with people talking about stuff? People enjoy an established franchise and want stuff to enjoy. And some of the recent content is bad? The whole pro/anti fan things was because that person believed that by anti-fan I was making some political point and not a comment on how some of the stuff had been bad? Why do consumers want to talk about products, I guess?
>Don't act like the fans are always right and the 90s and 00s
I am not. I think the old EU was very hit and miss. The problem is when you say "fans" it feels like you're using it as a loaded term here. People have never agreed on anything. Some fans liked the prequels, some hated it. But some things like the games are clearly better then, than now, with EAs use of the license. And that's my point.
>Do we really need to have the old conversation about the reception of the prequels?
I'm not even talking about it so why bring it up?
>The problem is exactly that they care too much about the fans.
Well this is a general problem with the direction of modern Star Wars that it feels more "executive" driven than creatively (I know we can argue about old SW and mercandising hence why I said "feels"). This isn't the *fans* fault. And can you fault Disney considering they are a business? People talk demographics and how to appeal to markets.
>The entire Disney era is nothing but pandering
Yes 100%. And some of the pandering is done with good business sense and some with bad. But increasingly some of us believe that the new is increasingly bland.

Honestly I find your entire post weird because you come at me seeming like we disagree when I don't exactly disagree with you on the state of Star Wars? All I am saying is that the current direction isn't good for some media and I disagree with the idea that now Mandalorian is liked that SW is saved? We really agree on more than disagree.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:08:29 No.120090873 Report

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>>120090812
Nice goalposts, but yeah, keep pretending like you oh-so-much care about Star Wars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:09:34 No.120090888 Report

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>>120090785
>That's why hoodies and side cut Californian nigs don't belong there. It looks hilarious and out of place.
Oh no! I'm so sorry that despite 99% of things remaining the same, an article of clothing, and a haircut in a galaxy full of hundreds if not thousands of planets, each of which have their own documented thoroughly documented histories of races, peoples and cultures is somehow perceived as a turd in your punch bowl. I sincerely hope you're somehow able to find a way to overcome such a targeted personal attack against you.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:11:00 No.120090918 Report

Quoted By: >>120090955

>>120090763
Look who wrote that fucking book and tell everyone in this thread why they should care.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:11:50 No.120090937 Report

Quoted By: >>120091464

>>120089974
>noooo literally every other mass media I consume has a male protagonist but this one doesn't noooooooooooooooo this can't be happening

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:13:05 No.120090955 Report

Quoted By: >>120090987 >>120091016

>>120090918
>Look who wrote that fucking book
Claudia Gray, writer of several critically acclaimed Star Wars books

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:14:55 No.120090987 Report

Quoted By: >>120091016

>>120090955
N-NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
SHE CAN'T HAVE WRITTEN ANYTHING GOOD
SHE DIDN'T BEG TO FELATE ME AND CARRY ON MY GENETIC LEGACY, THERFORE SHE CAN ONLY EXIST TO INSULT ME UNTIL SHE DOES!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:16:27 No.120091016 Report

Quoted By: >>120091046 >>120091054

>>120090955
you are either a lost cause or you are being paid for this
>>120090987
She can’t have children

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:17:31 No.120091046 Report

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>>120091016
The fuck are you talking about?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:18:06 No.120091054 Report

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>>120091016
>She can’t have children
THEN SHE CAN ONLY EXIST TO INSULT ME, CLEARLY! EVERYONE AND THING ONLY EXISTS IN THIS WORLD TO CATER TO ME, AND IF THEY CANT SERVE MY DESIRES THEN THEY ONLY BREATHE TO DEPRIVE ME OF OXYGEN THAT COULD OTHERWISE BE MINE!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:30:52 No.120091289 Report

Quoted By: >>120091343

>>120090109
>Where did I give any malice to the creators?
When you said their works were "anti-fan". Being bad doesn't mean it's anti-fan, it's just bad. Rogue One was full of kissy faces to fans, and it blows as a movie.

>>120090133
The Mandalorian S2 is almost nothing but fan service. TROS went really hard on fanservice. The next slate of shows are all looking to be heavy fan service shows.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:33:42 No.120091337 Report

Quoted By: >>120091375

>>120083997
Can't be Disneywars, it has aliens in it. Disney hates having aliens in anything Star Wars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:34:02 No.120091343 Report

Quoted By: >>120091420 >>120091554

>>120091289
>When you said their works were "anti-fan". Being bad doesn't mean it's anti-fan
Anon you're really reading into something with an intent that wasn't there by claiming malice. It is a massive leap to claim that I hold the creators in malice. Me saying anti-fan though was a direct response to you claiming that ALL recent Star Wars was fan service. Do you see? When you said all SW was fan service I said that it clearly wasn't. If it was, then the slate of games, books and movies would be different and better. This is a weird misunderstanding.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:35:33 No.120091375 Report

Quoted By: >>120091439 >>120091569 >>120091768

>>120091337
>Disney hates having aliens in anything Star Wars.
Disney Sequel Aliens have a weird "samey" quality to me in facial design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:36:40 No.120091401 Report

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>>120085880
Ahsoka looked way more human than any of the previous toggruta seen on screen. I miss the solid black eyes that Shaak Ti had.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:37:49 No.120091420 Report

Quoted By: >>120091675

>>120091343
I said lately Star Wars media is going hard on fan service. That is true yes. You think Boba Fett and CGI Luke aren't fan service? Is Hayden Christensen coming back for Kenobi not fan service? Part of why shit is so bad now is because it's ALL fan service. The only bright spot was Mandalorian because it WASN'T full fanservice and now we don't even have that.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:38:37 No.120091439 Report

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>>120091375
Wrinkles, just give them wrinkles and that's all they need

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:38:58 No.120091450 Report

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>>120086476
They definitely went cheap in Mandalorian. Rosario was not a convincing alien at all, she just looked like a person wearing a weird hat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:40:12 No.120091464 Report

Quoted By: >>120091656 >>120093680

>>120090937
Obviously it's pushing an agenda, the same failed agenda responsible for awful stuff like the Ghostbusters reboot. It's not like it's an organic story that someone decided to tell from a female POV; it's a corporate mandate from gross, evil people who want to downgrade men.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:44:00 No.120091541 Report

Quoted By: >>120091587 >>120091698

If TFA didn't have a black storm trooper in the first trailer would we still get all the constant culture war shit in every star wars thread?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:44:34 No.120091554 Report

Quoted By: >>120091675

>>120091343
You seem to have an odd conception of what "fanservice" means. It has nothing to do with the quality of the work, per se.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:45:06 No.120091569 Report

Quoted By: >>120095885

>>120091375
also there's no attributing qualities to each race, no quirks or differing abilities, all you got is just their appearance

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:45:06 No.120091570 Report

Quoted By: >>120092003

>>120087041
It's the huge color change from orange skin everywhere to the stripey white horn and tails combo that is a solid change instead of a gradual one. It always looks like they are just wearing something instead of that just being a part of their heads.

At least Shaak Ti in episode 2 had more of a gradual shift from orange to blue, to stripes with the orange bleeding into the area of the tails. Also episode 2 togruta tails had more of a segmented shape to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:45:51 No.120091587 Report

Quoted By: >>120091623 >>120091664 >>120091678

>>120091541
Nobody really cared until TLJ when Laura Dern “shuts down Poe’s mansplaining like we all needed.”

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:46:22 No.120091599 Report

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>>120087357
Aren't these the same people who scream about how they want more diversity and more representation in media, and complain endlessly how white modern tv is? It's a room full of the exact same fat white nerd.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:46:55 No.120091613 Report

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>>120090639
>HOODIE IN STAR WARS
Where is Sith Lord George Zimmerman when you need him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:47:12 No.120091623 Report

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>>120091587
that first TFA trailer is when /tv/ started going hard /pol/. And it has been great ever since.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:48:35 No.120091656 Report

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>>120091464
>it's a corporate mandate
Yes. It was a corporate mandate to get away from the Saga timeline.
>the same failed agenda responsible for awful stuff like the Ghostbusters reboot.
So a remake that no one asked for that only the most extreme lemurs went out of their way to support is the same as a franchise that has been shown able to widen it's market when it provides characters for that wider market to be able to enjoy?
>It's not like it's an organic story that someone decided to tell from a female POV
Ironically it was originally presented as a new setting that was chosen specifically to facilitate organic storytelling and that storytelling being what would decide the narrative direction it went. It was specifically set far enough behind the movies that when it ends, it will be given a buffer to not impact or need to line up with them. As for the female PoV, anon already provided a piece of it with a white male protagonist. The entire concept of it has been presented as being open ended. So there is no Luke Skywalker. There is a group of characters that will be featured in multiple stories presented in multiple media that can be seen by fans of a wide range of ages.

Whether you buy it or not, you are literally projecting your own bias against a concept that is exactly what you say it is not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:48:46 No.120091664 Report

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>>120091587
There was a ton of people losing their shit over Finn being a storm trooper and then they also lost their shit because they thought TFA would have a trump parody in it for some reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:49:17 No.120091675 Report

Quoted By: >>120091772 >>120091793 >>120091824

>>120091420
This argument is really circular, anon. We don't really have much to say to each other without our points missing. And I think we agree that going forward this stuff might be bad.
>I said lately Star Wars media is going hard on fan service.
You originally said:
>everything Disney is putting out with Star Wars
>everything
So it isn't "true". Because you're referring to the shows and I was saying that it isn't true that all Star Wars is fan service right now because I was mentioning the games/books/movies.
>ALL fan service
Is the High Republic fan service? Fans would probably much prefer more KOTR content becoming canon. If it was all fan service then I'd see comics about Mandalorians and stuff like that.
>The only bright spot was Mandalorian because it WASN'T full fanservice and now we don't even have that.
The one thing we might agree on is worry about the future state of these shows. I even said how annoucing all this new shit is just the same mistake they did post-TFA and now they are doing it post-The Mandalorian. Too much.

>>120091554
Is the High Republic fan service? Is Squadrons video game fan service? I am not saying "fan service" is about quality. Fan service is about giving people what they want. I am saying that with the comics/games/books they are not giving the people what they want AND it comes across as really bland or treads old ground in a worse way. Do you see what I mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:49:21 No.120091678 Report

Quoted By: >>120091718 >>120091721 >>120091738

>>120091587
>Holdo doesn't bother explaining her plan to the other officers. Only that they should trust her
>Every attempt to reassure the crew only results in empty rhetoric and condescention
>Poe asks Holdo just if she has a plan. Reassure the very obviously nearly panicking crew as their fleet is picked off.
>She responds with condescending threats of brig time.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:50:19 No.120091698 Report

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>>120091541
Nah they got mad when Finn had a lightsabre in his hand.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:51:06 No.120091718 Report

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>>120091678
I seriously was expecting a big reveal that Holdo was a spy which would explain all the bad decisions coupled with how they were being tracked. Imagine my horror when she did her “like the sun” speech and I realized they were going to play her straight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:51:16 No.120091721 Report

Quoted By: >>120091796 >>120098193

>>120091678
What they presumably meant as a feminist teachable moment actually upholds authoritarian values.
>Just follow orders
>Don't question authority
>Do as you're told
>Always follow the chain of command

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:52:02 No.120091738 Report

Quoted By: >>120097114

>>120091678
>>Holdo doesn't bother explaining her plan to the other officers. Only that they should trust her
I dunno why but I have a feeling in my gut that maybe in an earlier draft there were spies or something to explain why she guarded the plan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:53:25 No.120091768 Report

Quoted By: >>120091879 >>120092071

>>120091375
They are all basically brown wrinkley tapirs that are seen in the far background of a wide angle shot. nothing special and none of them ever get as much as a speaking part.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:53:33 No.120091772 Report

Quoted By: >>120091813

>>120091675
I said pretty much everything lately. What has come out in the past few years that hasn't been fanservicey? High Republic is pretty fanservicey, yeah. It's an era where the Jedi are at their peak with no worries about moral failings or whatever like in the prequels. Hopefully there's nothing egregious like Yoda showing up every other chapter. A little fanservice is okay. The stuff coming out now around the movie eras is overboard in fanservice.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:54:36 No.120091793 Report

Quoted By: >>120091852

>>120091675
>Is Squadrons video game fan service?

Squadrons is fan service done right and it's fucking awesome.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:54:42 No.120091796 Report

Quoted By: >>120091885 >>120091910

>>120091721
Really says a lot when no one minds any of that when it's a male commanding officer though...

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:55:40 No.120091813 Report

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>>120091772
>It's an era where the Jedi are at their peak
I'd disagree there because putting Jedi shit in SW extended stuff is more or less a given. It isn't fan service, it is a fundamental thing they do. Whether or not that makes SW creatively bankrupt is up to people.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:56:08 No.120091824 Report

Quoted By: >>120091972

>>120091675
The thing is, what fans want is impossible to deliver on now. We want Luke not to have died a bitter, jaded hermit. We want the original cast to have left some descendants. Etc. That's why they have to dick around in the past now, because they left nothing in the Star Wars future for anyone to care about. The whole franchise is depressing now because we know how it ends.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:57:43 No.120091852 Report

Quoted By: >>120091898

>>120091793
>Tranny Mirialian.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:59:14 No.120091879 Report

Quoted By: >>120092071

>>120091768
It feels like this happened:
>Someone in marketing said people dislike loads of CGI and like practical effects.
>They don't want to do more "humanoids with funny bits attached".
>So they decided to do a lot of puppets they could touch up with CGI.
>Puppets all seem to be sculpted in a similar way.
>Either they were lazy or just thought it would be background stuff.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 20:59:33 No.120091885 Report

Quoted By: >>120091948

>>120091796
What are you referring to? Of course subordinates usually follow orders, but is there an equivalent scene where a heroic male superior explains nothing of his plan and his subordinates are made to look like fools for not blindly going along with it?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:00:07 No.120091898 Report

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>>120091852
>B-wing and the fucking TIE defender
Literally who gives a fuck about some literal who squadmate. No one is playing squadrons for the story.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:00:47 No.120091910 Report

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>>120091796
Oh no, people hate it even when the man is completely right and does absolutely nothing wrong. See Captain Edward Jellico from the TNG two-parter "Chain of Command" when he's given temporary command of the Enterprise and Riker throws a hissy fit despite doing literally nothing wrong.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:03:10 No.120091948 Report

Quoted By: >>120092120 >>120092300

>>120091885
How about a heroic male superior explains no part of his plans, and his subordinates go with it, because they understand the chain of command, and follow the orders given without needing their superior to explain his plan and motivation for pursuing it.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:04:06 No.120091972 Report

Quoted By: >>120092009 >>120092093 >>120092995 >>120095997

>>120091824
I think a lot of people are burnt out by SW. And yeah the future can go no where. I just hate how they get one hit and all of a sudden start talking about all these new projects when just a few years ago they were all saying it was too much:
>Disney CEO Bob Iger spoke out on the glut of Star Wars movies being released in recent years, saying that “I have said publicly that I think we made and released too many Star Wars films over a short period of time.”
He said this in 2019. And now we are back here again.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:06:08 No.120092003 Report

Quoted By: >>120092133

>>120091570
AOTC did kind of establish that the tails grow in segments. And that little detail does go a long way in helping it to look like something real and organic instead of a weird tentacly hat.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:06:37 No.120092009 Report

Quoted By: >>120092091

>>120091972
The big difference is movies have massive marketing budgets that blanket every bit of pop culture. Shows are just padding for a streaming network. Mandalorian, Ahsoka, and Rangers all being tied together is lame as fuck though.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:09:57 No.120092071 Report

Quoted By:

>>120091768
>>120091879
They did not just half ass the aliens, but all things alien like the settings and planets too. The one thing Lucas actually was good at was making damn sure a world looked weird and different. He had tings like sinkhole planet, giant glowing mushroom planet, bridges in the sky planet, big super urban city planet, and he did that with a limited budget.

Disney with unlimited Disneybucks never bothered and kept it to ordinary places like plain old desert, forest, castle, snowy forest, grassland, other desert, and third desert. Did not even bother adding in things like another sun in the sky, or maybe some weird mountains in the background. Just places you see on Earth.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:11:40 No.120092091 Report

Quoted By: >>120092235 >>120098401

>>120092009
>Mandalorian, Ahsoka, and Rangers all being tied together is lame as fuck though.
They are building them up to a crossover. I 100% know it will be "The Gang kills Thrawn".

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:11:42 No.120092093 Report

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>>120091972
>I think a lot of people are burnt out by SW.
I saw tons of people wishing Disney would end Star Wars on Investment Day.
It'll be very interesting to see how the franchise does moving forward, because either they over extend and shrink what they make to what those who remain interested want, or they continue making a massive buffet of product, and I keep eating it all up like the consoomer piggy I am.
Either way, I'm happy.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:13:41 No.120092116 Report

Quoted By: >>120092153

This screams "made by committee" so hard that it's depressing.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:14:10 No.120092120 Report

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>>120091948
Oh okay, I thought you were talking about Star Wars; I've never even seen that movie. Not sure why you think the people who like authoritarian morality in an old submarine movie are the same ones complaining about it in new Star Wars.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:14:44 No.120092133 Report

Quoted By: >>120092174 >>120099225

>>120092003
And yet again cosplaying fans do it better than six figure makeup artists at Disney.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:15:46 No.120092153 Report

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>>120092116
We have the pics in this thread of the committee with their whiteboard checklist. It's not a secret.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:16:58 No.120092174 Report

Quoted By: >>120092355

>>120092133
That doesn't really look good at all though. Like, for cosplay it looks good but she is literally wearing a big paper mache hat with sharpie on it.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:18:14 No.120092192 Report

Quoted By:

Oh I know...

DIVERSITY AND DINOSAURS!!!11!

I gave up on Star Wars the moment Disney bought it. I can't even be bothered to check out what is considered the good stuff from them.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:20:52 No.120092235 Report

Quoted By: >>120092281

>>120092091
>I 100% know it will be "The Gang kills Thrawn".
My prediction:
>Mandalorian has all the Bo Katan Mandalore retaking stuff.
>Ahsoka has the fighting Imperial Remnants aligned under Thrawn.
>Rangers has New Republic vs. Imperial Remnants.
>In the end it turns out Thrawn is more or less organising most of the Remnants as a cover for the eventual FO or whatever.
>Thrawn will have a secret HQ on Mandalore because them destroying it was a cover.
>Ahsoka will recruit the Mandalorians because of it and reunite with Bo Katan. Rangers will be recruited.
>Big fight at Mandalore.
How accurate will this be.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:24:15 No.120092281 Report

Quoted By: >>120092305

>>120092235
>How accurate will this be.

>Ahsoka has the fighting Imperial Remnants aligned under Thrawn.
>In the end it turns out Thrawn is more or less organising most of the Remnants as a cover for the eventual FO or whatever.
>Thrawn will have a secret HQ on Mandalore because them destroying it was a cover.
Did you not watch Rebels?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:25:40 No.120092300 Report

Quoted By: >>120092372 >>120092550

>>120091948
That's also because those people have served under said officer for a decent length of time, and that said officer wasn't leading them into a deathtrap with no apparent plan going forwards. Poe's complaints are all legitimate greivances against an incompetent officer and not just him being a whiny bitch because he doesn't like the new leader.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:25:53 No.120092305 Report

Quoted By: >>120092597

>>120092281
>Did you not watch Rebels?
Not yet. I presume I am wrong and it was glassed like Boba said in Mandalorian?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:29:32 No.120092351 Report

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>>120086302
Absolute waifu material

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:29:47 No.120092355 Report

Quoted By: >>120093751

>>120092174
It looks a lot better than the floppy hat in Mandalorian

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:30:49 No.120092372 Report

Quoted By: >>120092446

>>120092300
The really should have added something to the movie about Holdo assuming spies are the reason the FO followed them.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:31:59 No.120092392 Report

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>>120084487
i wish this weren't true but man is it very true

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:33:38 No.120092420 Report

Quoted By: >>120092447

>>120088358
>Not pro war

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:35:25 No.120092446 Report

Quoted By: >>120092596

>>120092372
I have a feeling that in the early draft Benicio Del Toro's character was probably one of the Resistance or something and his betrayal had more narrative weight. Really they needed a subplot of: our bases location was betrayed (that's how they found out where they were) and the spy could still be around. And maybe given Poe/Holdo an actual arc.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:35:26 No.120092447 Report

Quoted By: >>120092559 >>120092642 >>120092735

>>120092420
Star Wars is extremely anti war

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:39:30 No.120092517 Report

Quoted By: >>120092770

>>120090471
>I don't know why fans have to be a part of the conversation in the first place.
And that kind of mentality is why Star Wars is on fire.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:41:36 No.120092550 Report

Quoted By: >>120092624 >>120092791

>>120092300
>That's also because those people have served under said officer for a decent length of time, and that said officer wasn't leading them into a deathtrap with no apparent plan going forwards.
Ironic that in a movie that has the heroic male superior ending with his defecting to international rivals, the heroic male superior receives less scrutiny than the story with a female superior vouched for by a General who had been in this fight longer than most characters had been alive.
Want to call the chain of command fascist? By all means, go ahead. I'm not inclined to disagree. But as long as it is being used uniformly across media and genre, the superior doesn't need to explain shit to a subordinate unless they choose to, and Poe's trust in Leia's leadership, authority, and choice of subordinates lasting only as long as she was on her feet, but not a second after she wasn't was bullshit.

What was her incompetence?
Trusting her subordinates to trust her leadership, and not meddle? Yeah you're right.
If Poe does what Leia tells him to Rose's sister is still alive.
If Finn and Rose trust Holdo, they don't spout the plan to DJ, and Holdo's plan works flawlessly.
Just because her subordinates needed to have their diapers changed and kissed on the head, and didn't get it is her only shortcoming, and in reality that is their shortcoming. Not hers.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:42:17 No.120092559 Report

Quoted By: >>120092747 >>120092751 >>120094742

>>120092447
Sort of. Well, it's inconsistent. Yoda says "Wars not make one great" but then he was a badass killer in the past. There's the emphasis on Luke redeeming Anakin, but then he killed thousands on the Death Star. I would say it's not pacifistic but it's against killing unnecessarily. But also it's just a funny visual that the movies are literally called Star Wars and some pinkhair decided to call it anti-war, alongside all the silly stuff like dinosaurs and Harry Potter/Game of Thrones knockoffs.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:44:35 No.120092596 Report

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>>120092446
Holdo being single minded in wanting to route out the spies and ignoring the immediate issue of the FO being right behind them shooting down one ship after another would make for a much better suspense plot. The Resistance loses the other three ships because Holdo is going crazy trying to discover who in the upper leadership is a spy while Poe tries to keep everything together.

This could also make for a better motivation for Finn and Rose to run off in an escape pod since the leadership is in chaos and they are very close to being implicated and killed for possibly being a spy.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:44:37 No.120092597 Report

Quoted By: >>120092809 >>120092960

>>120092305
Mandalore getting glassed will have taken place after Rebels, but the series does establish a setting and pursuit of multiple characters you mentioned that are significantly different than what you proposed.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:46:05 No.120092624 Report

Quoted By: >>120092864

>>120092550
You're acting like Star Wars fans are hypocrites, as if we've all seen this 30 year old Sean Connery submarine movie and agreed with it. I mean, it's completely irrelevant.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:46:51 No.120092642 Report

Quoted By:

>>120092447
Anti-Nixon but not really anti-war.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:51:37 No.120092735 Report

Quoted By:

>>120092447
>Star Wars is extremely anti war
Yes, and that's why there's a good guy army vs a bad guy army in everythi-Oh wait.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:52:26 No.120092747 Report

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>>120092559
Those aren't really inconsistencies at all. Yoda being a badass killer is addressed in TCW and shown to specifically be a really bad thing. Fuck, one of Padme's character traits is literally "will not shut the fuck up about wars being bad" and at no point is she ever shown to be wrong on really any instance. Heck, the entire Clone Wars was basically a fabricated conflict that had zero meaning.

It honestly shows how the ST really fucked up at inception. The galaxy never knowing peace after ROTJ and Leia basically finding a new forever war to fight like her father before her while Han and Luke just fuck off to do whatever just makes the whole thing kind of sad.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:52:33 No.120092751 Report

Quoted By: >>120093428

>>120092559
There’s also the TCW plot with the monkey people that were so pacifist they were just going to die. The leaders belief is basically if you defend yourself, you’re an active combatant, and just as guilty.

The seppies didn’t care, tried to kill them anyway.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:53:28 No.120092770 Report

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>>120092517
Star Wars was at it's best when it was George Lucas doing weird shit without giving a shit what the fans said.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:54:10 No.120092791 Report

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>>120092550
>What was her incompetence?
>Trusting her subordinates to trust her leadership, and not meddle? Yeah you're right.
The leader Leia was incapacitated and they were in a life/death situation where literally all of them would die. Withholding her plan made literally no sense. Chain of command doesn't work by withholding information in a critical moment. If they weren't in an immediate situation then yes, waiting was an option. In a moment when they could all be exterminated then a good leader KNOWS that morale is important. Narratively it makes NO SENSE that she didn't just say: we will make it to this planet, jump the ship to lead them away and get help. Imagine you're on a plane and both pilots die. Plane is going along on autopilot and things could end any minute. But aha! The air marshal has a plan to solve the issue. Only he doesn't tell any of you. You're supposed to trust him. And you're wondering if you should call someone or do something.
>If Poe does what Leia tells him to Rose's sister is still alive.
The Dreadnoughts weapons would have been able to destroy them. If it hadn't been destroyed then her plan would have never worked because they would have been wiped out.
>If Finn and Rose trust Holdo, they don't spout the plan to DJ, and Holdo's plan works flawlessly.
Then why didn't she tell everyone her plan.
>Just because her subordinates needed to have their diapers changed and kissed on the head, and didn't get it is her only shortcoming, and in reality that is their shortcoming. Not hers.
If you're in the middle of battle you don't want your CO to withhold what you have to do.

The film is clearly missing a subplot of a spy.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:54:14 No.120092793 Report

Quoted By: >>120093091

>>120083997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTWLp96gscI

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:55:12 No.120092809 Report

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>>120092597
Fair lad.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:57:38 No.120092863 Report

Quoted By: >>120092931 >>120093307 >>120095362 >>120095625

Rebel Scum.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:57:44 No.120092864 Report

Quoted By: >>120093004 >>120093012 >>120093692

>>120092624
I'm doing no such thing. If that is what you feel I am doing, that may be your inference, but I promise it wasn't my implication.
I'm not trying to talk about a 30 year old submarine movie (even if you should check it out since it is pretty good). I'm simply providing an example of something that TLJ and Holdo is meant to subvert that supposedly doesn't exist.

For years, people have insisted that Holdo did something wrong. In this thread, she was accused of incompetence. Her plan was eventually explained, and as I said, made perfect sense, and would have worked flawlessly. Why didn't it? Because despite being in a chain of command, Holdo's subordinates demanded more than they deserved, and meddled. Is it on the nose? Absolutely, but the assertion that a captain can demand an admiral explain tactics and strategy to the captain's satisfaction, regardless of context, is more fantastical than a plasma sword that can turn on and off and cut through damn near anything.

You may not like Holdo, and that is absolutely position I won't begrudge anon for feeling, but she did nothing wrong beside trusting her subordinates to understand their place within the hierarchy of the Resistance.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:57:57 No.120092873 Report

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>>120089785
>light whip
That seems like a pretty brutal weapon for a kid's entry.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 21:58:47 No.120092891 Report

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If theres one near human race they need to bring back its the Echani.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:00:46 No.120092931 Report

Quoted By:

>>120092863
Shouldn't that be a blond haired blue eyed aryan cis boy?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:01:54 No.120092958 Report

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>>120089785
>Lightwhip
Oh fuck not again.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:01:57 No.120092960 Report

Quoted By: >>120093013 >>120093041

>>120092597
Mandalore was already glassed, hence the white deserts. By the time of Mandalorian it's probably been blasted open like Concord Dawn, Jedha and Lola Sayu. That's the only way the planet could be worse outside of being bown to chunks like Alderaan and Anaxes.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:02:09 No.120092965 Report

Quoted By: >>120093009 >>120093034 >>120093060

>Talking to NowThis, Abrams explained that he tried asking Lucasfilm about the possibility of an original cut release, but hit a bit of a brick wall. "I’ve been told that, for reasons that I quite don’t understand, that that’s not necessarily possible. I guess it's what George Lucas wanted, and that's what he did, and so I respect that, although I also feel like there's something about the original theatrical version that was, you know, for so many people, the thing they loved as it was. And so, you know, it would be great to have that available for a mainstream audience."

Did Lucas seriously put a fucking clause in his contract meaning that Disney can't reissue the theatrical cut of the OT? Holy shit, how petty.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:03:23 No.120092995 Report

Quoted By: >>120093150

>>120091972
>Disney CEO Bob Iger spoke out on the glut of Star Wars movies being released in recent years, saying that “I have said publicly that I think we made and released too many Star Wars films over a short period of time.”
>He said this in 2019. And now we are back here again.
The fucking cheek of that guy complaining about SW burn out when the MCU was shitting 1-2 movies per year.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:03:46 No.120093004 Report

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>>120092864
>captain can demand an admiral explain tactics and strategy to the captain's satisfaction,
Not who you're replying to. But this is a serious misrepresentation of the situation and I find it really bizarre that you don't see it. You're acting like it is a basic situation of: disobeying orders. When it is actually a situation of: we are all going down and the Captain seems to want to go down with this ship.

You don't seem to understand this. If you were a soldier and you were surrounded and your CO said nothing. And you demanded orders. What would you do? I say again: this is NOT someone disobeying orders. This is someone disobeying someone that is doing nothing in the face of imminent destruction. In a battle you need orders. COs in real life might withhold information for information security but when you're facing death your CO isn't going to say nothing.

How do you not see this?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:04:03 No.120093009 Report

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>>120092965
George taped over the original cuts. I thought everyone knew this?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:04:08 No.120093012 Report

Quoted By:

>>120092864
>Why didn't it? Because despite being in a chain of command, Holdo's subordinates demanded more than they deserved, and meddled
Honestly Holdo didn't have to do that much. Just announce that she had a plan, the crew could chill and just follow her lead. Also maybe confine Poe to his quarters for rest until evacuation.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:04:08 No.120093013 Report

Quoted By: >>120093088 >>120093149

>>120092960
>Mandalore was already glassed, hence the white deserts.
False
>Years of war left the planet inhospitable, forcing the Mandalorians to live within domed cities. A pacifist regime came to power at the end of these wars, led by Duchess Satine Kryze, while those who refused to give up their warrior ways were exiled to the moon Concordia. During the Clone Wars, the New Mandalorians were overthrown by the renegade Sith Lord Maul's Shadow Collective, though the Galactic Empire would rule the planet after the war's end.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:05:26 No.120093034 Report

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>>120092965
>Did Lucas seriously put a fucking clause in his contract meaning that Disney can't reissue the theatrical cut of the OT? Holy shit, how petty.
Yes he did.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:05:44 No.120093041 Report

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>>120092960
Seems like the easiest job for the empire. just shoot up the 10 or so cube cities and domes left on the planet.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:06:32 No.120093060 Report

Quoted By: >>120093110 >>120093155 >>120095662

>>120092965
Lucas claims to have wiped the masters, though this has been disputed over the years by other people in the industry. Remember that for years he publicly insisted that the shitty post-1997 alterations he kept making are the definitive versions alone. He really doesn't want people watching the theatrical versions.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:08:06 No.120093088 Report

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>>120093013
>That's blatantly false you fucking casual!!! It's actually sllllllliiiiiightly different from what you said in a tiny nuanced way.....

fucking nerds

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:08:11 No.120093090 Report

Quoted By: >>120093106

>>120086885
Based.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:08:17 No.120093091 Report

Quoted By: >>120093168

>>120092793
>EVS

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:09:07 No.120093106 Report

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>>120093090
Soule is writing the main book, dumdum.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:09:28 No.120093110 Report

Quoted By: >>120093191 >>120093382

>>120093060
I never have understood why this was such a huge contentious subject for him for so long. Why does he give a shit if people like the older, less cgi-filled movies? He seemed to really get angry over people not liking his changes and assuming they were unnecessary.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:09:40 No.120093114 Report

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:11:52 No.120093149 Report

Quoted By: >>120093246 >>120093271 >>120093343

>>120093013
How does that disprove what I said? It was glassed to shit prior to the Clone Wars. The Empire must've done something even worse to Mandalore during the purge.
>After centuries of warfare and prolonged conflict, the once beautiful surface of Mandalore was reduced to an endless desert.
>Bo-Katan: Once upon a time, these plains were covered with grass, but I never saw it. This destruction happened before I was born.
>In the final war of the larger, ancient Mandalorian conflict, a battle between the Jedi[1] and the Mandalorian warlords[3] caused a cataclysm[1] that scorched[3] much[2] of the planet Mandalore's surface into lifeless white desert,[4] uninhabitable outside of hermetically sealed dome cities.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:11:58 No.120093150 Report

Quoted By: >>120093248 >>120093290 >>120095581

>>120092995
Bob Iger was a quintessential soulless CEO, clueless about entertainment, but only needing to be as knowledgeable about it as investors. I don’t discredit his business practices, the marvel universe was a risk early on, but he’s one of the plebbiest entertainment moguls, so I never took quotes like this seriously.

His own autobiography talks about how he ruined Twin Peaks and tried to force David Lynch to be a “good director for the first time”. This is written as if Bob is in the right, utterly clueless as to who Lynch is outside of his direct relationship producing Twin Peaks with him, and his ideas that a third season would never work backfired when twenty years later it came out and was a creative masterpiece.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:12:16 No.120093155 Report

Quoted By: >>120093248

>>120093060
Some people online are literally doing a 4K restoration based on prints they have found:
>https://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/project-4k80/
They've done ANH and ROTJ and have ESB left.

I can just about live with the 1997 special editions but honestly the blu ray cut is more ergregious. Adding Vader screaming "No!" when he kills the Emperor just because people took the piss out of the "Noooo!" in Return of the Sith. I know it is fun to hate the sequels more than the prequels. But like. He literally added that "No!" because people mocked it. Lucas seems very vindictive and petty. He literally made Jar Jar the key to the militarised Republic in AOTC because people hated him.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:12:20 No.120093157 Report

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>>120084086
Pretty sure the protag of the comic leaves the Jedi Order in disgrace

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:12:44 No.120093168 Report

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>>120093091
I don't care what you think, but yet here we are.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:13:36 No.120093191 Report

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>>120093110
Lucas is a tinkerer at heart. It comes with being a car guy. He constantly wants to fix and improve his work.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:15:56 No.120093239 Report

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>>120093191
> He constantly wants to fix and improve his work.
Blinking Ewoks look awful. Vader screaming "No!" when killing the Emperor is awful.

I understand some things like touching up the X-Wings in ANH with CGI to improve the models they used. And like maybe some of the stuff in Mos Eisley. But the rest? The whole making Greedo shoot first stuff. And changing that several times. That doesn't feel like tinkering man.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:16:03 No.120093246 Report

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>>120093149
Because everything you said is wrong. Go read a wiki before pretending you know something casual.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:16:08 No.120093248 Report

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>>120093150
To be fair, the ideas that have been kicked around by Frost for the original third season of TP sound pretty bad. We could do without shit like Laura/Maddy being descended from a coven of witches and the planet of creamed corn and whatever.

>>120093155
I wonder how he felt about The Force Awakens generally being received well at the time by fans. I can see it stinging pretty bad considering they threw out his treatments for the sequels.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:17:04 No.120093271 Report

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>>120093149
Because that's not what glassing is. Mandalore was never glassed by the Empire, it was burnt the old fashioned way through constant warfare with multiple enemies.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:17:12 No.120093274 Report

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>>120093248
He seems to genuinely like The Mandalorian and the Spinoff films.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:17:42 No.120093290 Report

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>>120093150
I didn't know about the David Lynch thing. I already didn't like Bob Iger, he just comes off as a cold businessman who fucked over George but mandating that his ideas not be used. Everyone likes to dunk on Kennedy, Abrams and whoever else at Lucasfilm, and to an extent they're not wrong, but Iger said himself the buck stops at him with Star Wars.

I don't think Iger gets enough blame for his role in fucking up Star Wars. In fact I've often seen fandom menace types white knight him as some hero who'll remove KK as head of Lucasfilm, when despite her incompetence, at least lets George visit the studio and supported Dave Filoni, she convinced Iger to bring back Clone Wars and got him into live action directing. Still she's far from perfect, but I get annoyed that Iger is always let off.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:17:55 No.120093291 Report

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>>120090471
>I don't know why [people who buy a product] have to be a part of the conversation [about the product] in the first place
Hmm...

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:18:13 No.120093297 Report

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>>120093248
Lucas took a huge shit on TFA after it came out and basically called that fans would eat it up because it was dumb trash

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:18:47 No.120093307 Report

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>>120092863
she's so tiny and cute

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:19:39 No.120093323 Report

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:20:23 No.120093337 Report

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>>120093248
>I wonder how he felt about The Force Awakens generally being received well at the time by fans. I can see it stinging pretty bad considering they threw out his treatments for the sequels.
What actually was his idea for the sequels? Because I've heard someone say he wanted some shrinking adventures ala Honey I shrunk the kids with midichlorians and the whills explained. Then recently people said he wanted a Maul criminal empire vs Leia. And now someone said that both these things were together and the shrinking thing was a small part of it.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:20:45 No.120093343 Report

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>>120093149
>How does that disprove what I said?
That setting that you are describing as already glassed is how we've been shown Mandalore during The Clone Wars, as well as when Sabine Wren gave Bo-Katan the Darksaber so she would lead Mandalore with it.

Over the course of The Mandalorian, we've been clued that "The Purge" happened, and that it was devastating enough to send and Mandalorians who survived it into the Galactic Wind like ash from it's devastation.

The references to The Purge are clearly meant to be what comes to mind when Mandalore is described as glassed, and The Purge happened after Rebels, and the preceding depictions of Mandalore.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:20:46 No.120093345 Report

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>>120093323

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:20:47 No.120093348 Report

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>>120093307
And she will dominate you .

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:21:25 No.120093367 Report

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>>120093297
He called Disney "white slavers"

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:21:35 No.120093374 Report

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>>120093290
Iger was more concerned about selling shirts and toys than putting out media. He was more of a CEO of the parks and less of one for the studios. He wanted to obtain known IPs so he can merch them out and take over a sizable percentage of the hardlines merchandise in stores across the world. And he worked under the assumption that Marvel superheroes have been a well known IP for a decade in film, and Star Wars for even longer so less attention is needed for them since the name brands alone print money.

He did not assume it was feasible for a Star Wars or Spider-Man movie to actually fail, or be any less than the highest grossing movie of that year.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:21:48 No.120093378 Report

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>>120093323
>>120093345
Built for Lando.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:21:55 No.120093382 Report

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>>120093110
i think he must consider it an insult to his "true vision" or some shit like that

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:23:26 No.120093428 Report

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>>120092751
Based Seppies.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:24:25 No.120093447 Report

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>>120093348
cool

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:24:29 No.120093448 Report

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:24:42 No.120093451 Report

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>>120093374
It more or less feels like the CEOs only care about the merch sales. The middle level execs etc seem to want to push everything a certain way worrying about pandering and demographics and marketing. Only they all live in a Twitter bubble and don't really understand it. Hence the fuck ups. Now they are literally just giving Star Wars shit to Kevin Feige, Filoni and Favereau. So it will get the Marvel treatment.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:24:44 No.120093454 Report

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>>120093337
Both things you mentioned come from the story treatment Lucas sold to Disney which they didn't use. Darth Maul and Darth Talon were like the Emperor and Vader leading a criminal empire and there were imperial remnants led by warlords with isis stormtroopers. Leia was going to be dealing with political stuff in the senate and Luke would've trained a young female jedi and rebuilt the order while Han and Leia's son is seduced to the dark side by Talon.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:25:50 No.120093475 Report

Quoted By: >>120093620

>>120093337
It most likely was similar to the mandalorian, but with a more cinematic thing going on. Bigger stakes, more comedic filler and whatever. Generally, look at whatever Filoni does, remove Ahsoka and add more comedic relief.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:28:24 No.120093528 Report

Quoted By: >>120093620

>>120093337
We've only become privy to bits and pieces of it over the years. But yeah, Luke was still the protag but was a burned out shell until proto-Rey finds him and encourages him to actually live again. They and the New Republic come into conflict with a partially cybernetic Darth Maul and his apprentice, Darth Talon from the old EU, who are the head of some crime syndicate filled with legions of ex-Imperial soldiers. Hilarity ensures.

The thing that set off alarm bells in Iger's head when he read the treatments was that it apparently doubled down on shit like Midochlorians and explored some of the theological implications of the Force as a living entity. Naturally after spending $4.5b on their big new IP, Iger and Alan Horn weren't too keen on committing to what they were paranoid would basically be a vanity project for Lucas and more importantly, for the fans would be the Prequels Mk. II

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:29:04 No.120093541 Report

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>>120093454
How come I've never heard this but only stuff like "lucas wanted to name a character darth icky"

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:32:19 No.120093620 Report

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>>120093454
But I once heard him talk about some Whills stuff? It is funny how much SW changes over the years. The original ANH novelisation which was done with Lucas' blessing literally said the Emperor was a figurehead and the military were in control. But then that concept changed. The love triangle of Luke/Han/Leia was played up, even by Lucas, before ROTJ made Luke/Leia siblings. I think Lucas is actually really effected by other influences and changes things wildly. The Star Wars DH comic (pic related) showed the ideas from one of his first screenplays and is very weird. I've always thought that Jango Fett was only made because TPM was so poorly received and Boba Fett was a fan favourite so he thought that would win fans back. Part of me thinks Lucas does really want fan approval. So when it mentions Maul and stuff I feel like that's part of this.

>>120093475
I don't think it would have been like Mandalorian desu. Lucas changes things a lot. I feel like that Maul plan was probably more as Clone Wars got popular.

>>120093528
>The thing that set off alarm bells in Iger's head when he read the treatments was that it apparently doubled down on shit like Midochlorians and explored some of the theological implications of the Force as a living entity.
Yeah this was the weird shrinking shit I am referring to.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:32:44 No.120093628 Report

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>>120090785
You are reducing the potential variety of themes and settings of an entire galaxy of stories, and it is just as much bullshit when you do it as when Disney did.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:35:09 No.120093680 Report

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>>120091464
stop listening to jordan peterson and go outside.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:35:38 No.120093692 Report

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>>120092864
>Her plan was eventually explained, and as I said, made perfect sense
Her plan was to evacuate the ship onto a fortified planet and hope the First Order just leaves them alone long enough for them to get some kind of transport to take 'em off their shitty rock. It relies solely on the assumption that they'll be left alone once they land, which is immediately disproven by the film itself. Holdo was a bad leader with a bad plan and Poe did nothing wrong.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:36:14 No.120093707 Report

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>>120083997
*hits blunt*

I got the High Republic right here

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:36:35 No.120093713 Report

Quoted By: >>120093887 >>120095497

The Galaxy's Edge thing kind of sums up a lot of the problems with how Disney have handled Star Wars. Originally it was to basically just be a love-letter to the OT with bits of the PT thrown in and as the ST was developed, elements were to be gradually incorporated into it as it was determined what fans liked and didn't like. Iger and Kennedy thought they could cuck Lucas out of royalties but just devoting the bulk of it to the ST with only begrudging concessions to the OT right from the get-go.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:37:59 No.120093740 Report

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>>120093620
What a weird thing to make into a comic.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:38:33 No.120093750 Report

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>>120093541
That's because Lucas seems to have a very deadpan sense of humour and is most definitely autistic so people can't really tell when he's joking.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:38:35 No.120093751 Report

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>>120092355
No it doesn't. And I bet it would look even worse if the person wearing it started trying to do action moves.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:39:00 No.120093757 Report

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>>120093740
There's a market for the comic adaptions of first-draft or rejected scripts.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:39:14 No.120093765 Report

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>>120093541
>>120093750
Darth Icky is just George's dry humor. Those devs were retards. But it's been said by people close to him at Lucasfilm that George kind of speaks his own language and you have to become fluent in it. J.W Rinzler and Rob Coleman have both said this off the top of my head.

>>120093620
Yeah the sequels originally centered around Luke searching for his sister that wasn't Leia and it would've taken place not long after the original trilogy. George got divorced and was tired of SW so he retconned Leia to being Luke's sister in ROTJ and concluded the story there. The new idea for the sequels then became about the next generation of Skywalkers and Luke being the Obi Wan figure instead. The Whills would've been involved yes, but in what capacity we don't know.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:39:36 No.120093774 Report

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>>120085299
It would still be of use for that purpose against another lightsaber, anything made of pure beskar, or any vibro weapon.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:42:51 No.120093835 Report

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>>120088358
>No single (main) character

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:42:55 No.120093837 Report

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>>120093692
Not him but her plan is:
>Use the capital ship to go near a planet.
>Fly the transport ships to the planet undetected.
>Use the capital ship to jump away and lead them away.
>While on Crait get help and leave.

This is based on the assumption:
>They would have enough time to do it.
>They would have enough fuel.
>Ships like the Dreadnaught wouldn't be avaliable.
>They wouldn't be detected.

Of course she didn't tell anyone. Which led to Poe sending Rose/Finn to try a mission to disable the tracker. Which led to them getting DJ. DJ betrayed them and allowed their transports to be detected. Ultimately all she needed to do is say: this is the plan. Since DJ detected the transports, if Poe had been filled in they wouldn't have needed him.

The film is missing a spy subplot and I suspect because the film already felt like a series of subplots, it was probably cut and changed.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:43:09 No.120093844 Report

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>>120093765
Exactly how long has he had this "whills" stuff in mind?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:43:22 No.120093851 Report

Quoted By: >>120093906 >>120093919 >>120093973

>>120093765
>Dry, almost imperceptible humor
>Talks in basically his own language
>Very shy around interviewers
Think George might genuinely be on the spectrum?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:44:40 No.120093874 Report

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:45:17 No.120093887 Report

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>>120093713
Have Disney actually profited off Star Wars? The Force Awakens and Rogue One both did really well, then The Last Jedi disappointed despite doing well and then Solo actually outright lost money thanks to the reshoots fiasco. But rhen arguably even more importantly, Galaxy's Edge flopped and they completely fucked up toy sales.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:46:38 No.120093905 Report

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>>120093887
And then Mandalorian drove toy sales through the roof. America loves Baby Yoda and his Armored dad.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:46:41 No.120093906 Report

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>>120093851
Absolutely.
>>120093874
I love those deer eyes, they're so cute. Togrutas should have them in canon.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:46:58 No.120093912 Report

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>>120093844

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:47:22 No.120093919 Report

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>>120093844
As far back as the first draft of the original film. George had always wanted to incorporate more prominent religious and philosophical elements into the movies but that became impractical as budgets spiralled.

>Originally, I was trying to have the story be told by somebody else (an immortal being known as a Whill); there was somebody watching this whole story and recording it, somebody probably wiser than the mortal players in the actual events. I eventually dropped this idea, and the concepts behind the Whills turned into the Force. But the Whills became part of this massive amount of notes, quotes, background information that I used for the scripts; the stories were actually taken from the Journal of the Whills

>>120093851
Oh absolutely, the guy's an awkward weirdo.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:47:54 No.120093931 Report

Quoted By: >>120094032

>>120093837
The plan assumes that the First Order will not themselves assume that the planet the Resistance has been making a direct bee-line towards for days holds no significance and is just a coincidence.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:48:20 No.120093940 Report

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>>120093887
People will say the movies made money but they'll either be ignorant of or deliberately omit how the studio won't get 100% of the reported box office take (Maybe at most, 60% of domestic, way less for international).

There's also the movie-to-movie decline to deal with. Action was taken when Age of Ultron underperformed relative to the first Avengers film, even though Age of Ultron probably made its budget back.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:49:05 No.120093961 Report

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>>120093740
They also once did Star Wars Infinities which is basically OT trilogy "What If?" where things are similar but different. First draft adaptations can be fun.

>>120093750
>>120093765
I agree that the Darth Icky thing is obviously humour. I think the thing is though George does seem to be a fine idea guy who needs stuff filtered and edited. The lost documentary of ESB shows Lucas almost as only a phone consultant for ESB. The idea of the prequels (Republic falls because of machinations of Palpatine and Anakin falls with it) is at its core a very clear idea. But Gungans and Space Diners with Dexter Jettster and Trade dispute shit, didn't work. And I feel like these were his ideas.

>>120093844
>Exactly how long has he had this "whills" stuff in mind?
The ANH novelisation literally has a prologue called Journal of the Whills

>>120093765
>Yeah the sequels originally centered around Luke searching for his sister that wasn't Leia and it would've taken place not long after the original trilogy. George got divorced and was tired of SW so he retconned Leia to being Luke's sister in ROTJ and concluded the story there. The new idea for the sequels then became about the next generation of Skywalkers and Luke being the Obi Wan figure instead. The Whills would've been involved yes, but in what capacity we don't know.
One thing I would love to know is how Lucas felt about the Thrawn trilogy sequels for a couple reasons:
>They rejuvinated peoples connection to SW and probably helped the prequels get made.
>Filoni doesn't seem to like the idea of Mara Jade and Luke having a wife and I have a feeling this is a Lucas thing.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:49:18 No.120093968 Report

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>>120093837
This also relies on the transports not being noticed and the First Order not just leaving a single Star Destroyer behind to land troops just to make sure.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:49:38 No.120093973 Report

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>>120093851
Absolutely.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:50:02 No.120093983 Report

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>>120093887
>>120093940
The big kicker is, and we know this because Iger admits this in his book, is that Disney have been completely unable to make Chinese audiences care about Star Wars.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:50:14 No.120093988 Report

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>>120093844
The Whills existed since the 70s. He was going to have some immortal being narrating the story of Star Wars but it got cut. By the time he started writing the prequels he'd seemingly fleshed them out more since the Midichlorians were now a factor in communicating with the force, and the Whills are said to be single celled life forms that are the force so I'd say he knew back then but left it out of the films. Symbiosis is also a major theme in TPM, and the whole idea is the Whills/Force thrives off of living beings and living beings in turn can use the force, mutual benefit.

The sequels would apparently delve into the world of the Whills somehow. George sees them as an advanced civilization of sorts, but likens them to amoebas, bacteria or fungi.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:50:48 No.120093999 Report

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>>120093887
Disney used TFA to screw over cinemas by forcing them into new deals where they would screen their movies for a certain specified length of time with a certain amount of screens for less money. So really all Disney movies profit because of this.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:51:33 No.120094021 Report

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Lucas himself is a great visual director. People make fun of his "Its like Poetry. It Rhymes" statement. But deliberately mirroring Anakin scenes with a similar Luke scene (IE The Duel with Dooku in Episode 3 and the Duel with Vader in Return of the Jedi) Is a genuinely brilliant technique.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:51:41 No.120094024 Report

Quoted By: >>120094157

>>120093961
Lucas is known to have despised Mara Jade and Luke having a wife

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:52:15 No.120094032 Report

Quoted By: >>120094075 >>120094178

>>120093931
If the ship jumped and kept going the plan was to use that time to leave Crait.
>>120093968
>This also relies on the transports not being noticed
I literally said this. In the film though it is only because of DJ though.

I am not defending it because I think Holdo was retarded for not saying the plan. I am just pointing out what happened in the film.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:52:19 No.120094037 Report

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>>120093961
George hated Mara Jade and the idea of Luke getting married yes.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:52:33 No.120094043 Report

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>>120093983
Funny how a story about a plucky band of rebels overthrowing an authoritarian government wouldn't do well in an Authoritarian country.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:52:54 No.120094052 Report

Quoted By: >>120094116

>>120093983
I know he admitted that he, Kennedy, JJ and someone else basically threw Lucas under the bus in the making of Force Awakens, did he also say that too?

And it was pretty clear they wanted to push it in China, there was that one novel they were pushing there in the lead up to Rise of Skywalker. The general reception wasn't great because they never had the OT released there officially, so Force Awakens didn't work for them, and they didn't seem to care about John Boyega (which explains why his role got reduced). But Last Jedi and something else displeased people in China who were fans of Star Wars.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:54:04 No.120094075 Report

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>>120094032
Why did DJ know that the transports were cloaked? How did he know how to uncloakenate them?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:54:09 No.120094079 Report

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>>120093961
Forgot my pic

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:56:05 No.120094116 Report

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>>120094052
It was Alan Horn. But yeah, he basically lays out a shopping list and "Make Chinks care about Star Wars" is at the top.

Half the problem is that Chinese audiences don't have any memory of back when Star Wars was actually good thanks to the blanket ban on Western media in the '70s and '80s, so Disney can't bank on nostalgia at all.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:56:35 No.120094127 Report

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STAR WARS: THE SKYWALKER SAGA

By various.

A new collector's edition focusing on the films that form Star Wars: The Skywalker saga, from The Phantom Menace to The Rise of Skywalker. Includes a range of interviews and features from More than 40 years of Star Wars movie-making!

176 pages, $29.99, available on May 5.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:57:15 No.120094135 Report

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>>120094127
>Sam Maggs

How the fuck does she keep getting work?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:58:01 No.120094153 Report

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>>120094075
I can't quite remember because TLJ is mostly out of my brain. They get captured and he screws them over. I think it is because he overheard Rose/Finn talking about it, didn't they hear it from Poe? I know for a fact DJ is the one that revealed the ships. It doesn't make loads of sense.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:58:03 No.120094157 Report

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>>120094024
>>120094037
Why did he hate Mara Jade

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:58:31 No.120094163 Report

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:58:46 No.120094173 Report

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The Whills should command Bob Iger to let George make his sequel trilogy.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:59:17 No.120094178 Report

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>>120094032
>If the ship jumped and kept going the plan was to use that time to leave Crait.
That doesn't explain away the problem
>Sir, it seems the Resistance flag ship has jumped to hyperspace moments after reaching the orbit of this planet, Crait it seems to be called.
>Hmm, follow the ship but leave a detachment of troopers before we jump to scout the surface and find out if this planet had any relevance. I want those rebels dead!
Even if Snoke didn't have a massive fleet behind him, he had functionally infinite storm troopers on his flagship alone. There's no reason the plan would have worked if we're to assume the FO isn't staffed by braindead retards.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 22:59:56 No.120094196 Report

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:00:04 No.120094198 Report

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:00:26 No.120094207 Report

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>>120094157
>“Well in George, George couldn’t stand Mara Jade, well he just couldn’t stand, couldn’t deal and they went out and got some sort of person who looked like she’d stepped out of a Cosmopolitan to be the model Mara and he just thought the whole thing was so not Star Wars and not his vision of Star Wars and once, I forget, I think Sue Rostoni between the novels told me or anyway told me they were killing off Mara Jade and I said ‘Do I get to tell George?'”

http://starwarshub.net/2019/02/01/according-to-author-j-w-rinzler-george-lucas-couldnt-stand-the-character-of-mara-jade/

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:01:47 No.120094247 Report

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Disney are obviously realizing that the direction they (or rather, Rian Johnson with TLJ) took with the sequels was a mistake, but short of retconning them outright or pulling some Days of Future Past/Final Fantasy VII "remake" fuckery, how are they planning on reconciling them with their current output?

For instance, it's all well and good for Disney to respond to the negative fan backlash of The Last Jedi's depiction of Luke by putting him in the final episode of the Mandalorian where he's a cool badass that saves the day, but it's all a bit disingenuous if we know that he still dies a broken failure and that the show's big breakout hit likely dies when Adam Driver Columbine's the entire Jedi Academy.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:05:25 No.120094311 Report

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>>120093451
Merch sales are more an an immediate return while media is a huge gamble that requires heavy investment with a 2-3 year waiting period before returns start coming in. To someone who does not have much of a history in studio production, they are not going to feel comfortable with that model at all and want to lean towards merch instead. Plus before 2020 the parks were the bigger moneymaker for the company. The movies only served to create new IPs to farm out for all merch and attractions for the parks.

COVID shutting down the parks for an extended time just threw Iger's entire business model out the window. All of a sudden the only moneymaker they had was the media, that they have been actively shunning and letting it do it's own thing for the last 6 years.

>The middle level execs etc seem to want to push everything a certain way worrying about pandering and demographics and marketing. Only they all live in a Twitter bubble and don't really understand it.
It's actually a double issue with twitter recently became the main source of market research to a lot of companies. They took twitter as the current pulse of what the youth wants. So they follow twitter trends and place that into their work hoping that will definitely fill seats since it made 30K likes and retweets.

And the second problem, social media reputation is the main source of jobs and obtaining more jobs for creatives in the industry. Their careers are 100% public reputation based so they are required to toe the mark and repeat the current hot takes just to remain employed.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:06:32 No.120094329 Report

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>>120094178
>That doesn't explain away the problem
Okay:
>They went close to the planet but not that close, no where near making orbit.
>The transports would have been undetected (because we only know the reason they were found was DJ).
>The ship would have jumped into hyperspace.
>Using hyperspace tracking they would have followed the ship.
>Maybe the Empire leaves one ship behind.
>They could have hid in the base, called for transport and left.
>By the time the ship gets destroyed they would hopefully be away from Crait before they realise.

Since I am still playing Devils Advocate I think they want it to make sense for two reasons:
>1. It was literally the only option, so of course it was a desperate gambit.
>2. For some reason they knew their ships wouldn't be detected.
Of course it is bad writing because:
>Holdo should have said the plan.
And:
>I don't know how they could assume ships wouldn't be tracked, I dunno why the FO needed DJ.
You mention the FO being incompetent. I think that is probably correct considering they needed DJ to tell them about some transports.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:07:00 No.120094338 Report

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>>120094247
Only two things to do.
1. Build upon it, and add setup and development to support the sequels retroactively. I think this is likely, especially from what I've heard from the novels like Bloodlines (which I admittedly didn't read).
2. Do some post sequel-era content. Finally supplement all these stories inserted into various points in the past by moving forward with new stories, so we don't have the only thing ahead of them being the shadow of the sequels looming over them. I don't see any indication of this happening though.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:07:06 No.120094341 Report

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>>120094247
>and that the show's big breakout hit likely dies when Adam Driver Columbine's the entire Jedi Academy.
cue the big multipedia project for 2023: mando contracts space aids from the twilek healing baths and has to pull grogu out of luke's daycare to keep him around until the aids take him. conveniently, having grogu around keeps the aids at bay, so they live happily together years prior to and decades past the ST movies!

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:08:18 No.120094362 Report

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>>120093837
The movie would have been ten times better if it just had the Fin/rose plot succeed.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:08:37 No.120094368 Report

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>>120094247
>but it's all a bit disingenuous if we know that he still dies a broken failure
Anon, have you not seen the reaction to Mandalorian? People don't care. If you distract them long enough they will forget and they will be fine with it. And the only people that will still argue about it will be us, online, forever.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:11:19 No.120094417 Report

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>>120094362
They just needed a spy subplot, maybe:
>Leia says their base was given up by someone.
>Maybe have a frigate get sabotaged.
>Finn is being suspected.
>Holdo is seeing spies everywhere and not coming up with a plan.
>Maybe she even accuses Poe of wasting resources as a spie.
>Finn/Rose subplot.
>Maybe have the spy revealed or w/e.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:12:49 No.120094455 Report

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>>120094157
Pretty sure he saw her as just blatant fan service, and also around the time he came up with the prequels he became convinced that Jedi don’t marry or have kids, because attachments and all that.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:13:34 No.120094474 Report

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>>120094247
Am I reading too much into it or did Johnson kind of almost have this weird disdain for Luke? The way he was treated seemed almost strangely mean-spirited beyond just the whole SUBERTING YOUR EXPECTATIONS lark.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:15:27 No.120094508 Report

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Best Ship.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:17:00 No.120094548 Report

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>>120094207
Lucas hates Mara because he wants Luke to be the celibate hero Jedi monk as opposed to having a family or attachments. He wants him to have to make the hard decisions and sacrifice himself for the greater good in making a new order.

My own head canon is that Luke should have been a balance between the decadence of the Jedis high ideals and the passion of the Sith. That the Jedi not having attachment leads them to become detatched (which help lead to their fal and the Republic's falll). And that they need attachments. But too much of that passion leads to the Darkside. Luke would have been the "balance". I think my problem is the whole prophecy thing is more or less what? So how does Anakin killing the Jedi and then killing Palpatine bring balance when everyone is dead and Luke just becomes a Jedi?

So I don't really see why Lucas wanted Luke to be sexless and was so anti-Mara. But then again this is just my own subjective view. When Luke said "The Jedi have to end" in TLJ trailer I honestlyed believed that it was going to kinda follow my headcanon and have Luke realise that balance was a third path and that maybe he would teach that to Rey. Instead we got Rey eventually being all Jedi and defeating all Sith and shit.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:18:15 No.120094570 Report

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Looks like a big pile of garbage, that not even Disney is willing to put money for a tv show.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:21:28 No.120094629 Report

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>>120094474
I don't think Johnson hated Luke at all. I think Johson makes the mistake that many writers do these days. He tries too hard to be complex and deep and utterly fails. Luke being jaded because of Ben and that fall is fine. I wish we had at least gotten a full flashback of it. Luke refusing to train Rey was fine. Luke being out of it. All fine. But all they needed was Luke to either relent and train Rey. Or come back in the end to try to help. Or say something. I think that having Luke as jaded was perfectly different enough. But having him not even return in the flesh for the final battle was too far. Basically they had an interestig idea for Luke that ended on such an anticlimatic note that it pleases no one. They needed some Luke endgame that wasn't "oh and he weakens himself out doing a force projection" to actually make the jaded shit interesting.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:23:15 No.120094651 Report

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>>120094548
>My own head canon is that Luke should have been a balance between the decadence of the Jedis high ideals and the passion of the Sith. That the Jedi not having attachment leads them to become detatched (which help lead to their fal and the Republic's falll). And that they need attachments.
And this works perfectly because Luke was attached and had confidence in his friends.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:26:03 No.120094688 Report

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>>120094570
>money for a tv show.
Sorry anon but:
>The show will focus on the emergence of dark side powers in the final days of the High Republic Era.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:26:33 No.120094693 Report

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:27:34 No.120094708 Report

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>>120083997
that small loth wolf? loth puppy?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:29:02 No.120094727 Report

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https://youtu.be/_A0N3DE5y8U
God this looks awful.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:29:53 No.120094742 Report

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>>120092559
>some pink hair decided to call it anti-war
Since when did George Lucas have pink hair?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:30:35 No.120094757 Report

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>>120087311
she's really just a business woman. She isn't a writer or an artist. she really shouldn't be copping any blame.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:31:36 No.120094776 Report

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>>120094757
>she really shouldn't be copping any blame
She makes directional business decisions. She's happy with the direction of travel of all this. She should have part of the blame. What exactly do you think her job is?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:31:37 No.120094777 Report

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>>120087427
why is there a gap between empire and rebellion.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:32:26 No.120094791 Report

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>>120094629
Johnson was just the wrong guy for the whole movie. His thing is deep enigmatic thriller with characters constantly shifting emotions to throw the viewer off. That works when making a dark thriller.....but not Star Wars with it's completely traditional good guy in white vs bad guy in black surface level story. Star Wars should never try to be anything more than the most shallow one dimensional cartoon ever.

Knives Out did amazingly well, because it was a whodunnit dark thriller. TLJ did not because no one wants a dark Star Wars with characters being shady and scheming against each other while failing and dying. Looper did amazingly well because it was also a dark thriller with everyone being a scheming asshole that plots against each other leaving the viewer wondering what is going on. That does not work in Star Wars with the Resistance leader scheming in secret, Poe scheming in secret, Finn and Rose losing out to a schemer, and Kylo scheming against his master too.

The man did one successful scifi movie in 2012, that does not mean he is capable of making top-tier scifi movies no matter what. That's like getting Ralph Bakshi to make the Frozen sequel, just because he made one successful movie in the genre, does not mean he can make any movie in the genre.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:34:11 No.120094817 Report

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>>120094757
She is also past her prime. She is long past the days of pumping out a Hook or Jurassic Park and cannot really put out anything of substance. It happened to Speilberg years ago, Coppola even earlier than that. they just run out of that creative steam and cannot do what they did decades ago.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:35:03 No.120094837 Report

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>>120094651
Exactly. I don't know how much of this is just Lucas having contradictory ideas.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:35:43 No.120094852 Report

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>>120089785
oh fucking light whips. I can't imagine not killing myself with one of those the momment i turned it on. David tenant bot is really fucking old. I expected him to be an animatronic at galaxy's edge.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:38:12 No.120094909 Report

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>>120094791
>shifting emotions to throw the viewer off. That works when making a dark thriller
>TLJ did not because no one wants a dark Star Wars
But you're literally describing Empire Strikes Back. Or Return of the Sith? People honestly don't mind it being dark. Which in a way is part of the problem because I think they wanted to try and do a different tone and fail. I think if TFA was their attempt at ANH then TLJ was their attempt at ESB. In Empire Strikes back they defied a lot of convention sequel shit; big battle at the start instead of the end, really dark ending where the heroes lost. The sequel being the darker one is literally a trope because of this. TLJ they kinda did the same only it wasn't narratively satisfying because it left you going no where. Hence why I think he failed at being complex. I think there are some ideas there that could have worked and didn't. TLJ is bad, I am not defending it in the slightest, I dislike it. But I usually like to see how those ideas played out could have worked. And Jaded Luke could have been fine.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:39:22 No.120094934 Report

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>>120094693
The fuck was the deal with that shit? Why did he have such a big spergout over some SW loser doing a cringey reaction video?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:40:12 No.120094947 Report

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>>120094852
damn shame we didn't see his corpse on ilum in fallen order or with a force echo

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:41:25 No.120094967 Report

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>>120094909
>But you're literally describing Empire Strikes Back.
No he isn't fuck off with this stupid 40+ yer old take already. Grow the fuck up. The bad guys all have evilbad names, the good guys are all shining white clad cowboys, and they still get away and succeed in the end.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:41:39 No.120094971 Report

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>>120094837
Some of the rough drafts of ANH were really weird and rough. Very 70s sci-fi, smatterings of Dune. And it took work to get it where it got. Lucas' influences are a double edge sword. He had less influence on ESB but much more on ROTJ. And look how they turned out. People act like his "definite" ideas of the characters are final but the OT had so much influence from others. And SW has changed so much, even for Lucas. Lucas didn't sit down with a whole plan from day one. I think there are so many weird contradictions in the work and intention.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:43:46 No.120095013 Report

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>>120094934
Twitter bubble was very pro-emotional Star Wars when people were hating on TLJ because they liked it. So when people were all happy about representation and crying etc they were pro-emotion. Companies want fanatical fans who are emotional because they do marketing for free and buy shit. But now the same twitter bubble has turned on the emotional reaction because it saw Luke in The Mandalorian as praising TLJ haters and they think people being happy with that is wrong (even though they want others to feel happy about similar things).

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:45:10 No.120095043 Report

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>>120094043
Interestingly enough, the complaints I got from friends in the area was that the story was hopeless. "Why should we care?" when the story itself doesn't seem to matter. It's a good take.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:45:22 No.120095045 Report

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>>120093973
*Jabba the Hutt has a penis he simply chose not to use it on camera
Ftfy

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:46:01 No.120095059 Report

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>>120094971
Lucas changed his mind pretty often. The fact the sequels even exist reflects this.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:46:57 No.120095078 Report

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>>120094967
>No he isn't fuck off with this stupid 40+ yer old take already. Grow the fuck up.
No need to be a cunt about it.
>The bad guys all have evilbad names, the good guys are all shining white clad cowboys, and they still get away and succeed in the end.
I know this 100% and I don't disagree with it at all. But I still don't see how TLJ was overly dark compared to Luke finding out Vader was his father, getting his hand cut off and having Han frozen. How isn't this dark? And we ALL KNEW the sequel trilogy would end with the good guys winning. You're coming at me with a fucking weird angle. I hated TLJ. I hated Rian's writing. All I am saying is the problem with his writing isn't that he made a dark film. How is any of that wrong.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:49:09 No.120095122 Report

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>>120095059
It was much more annoying that he would change his mind, then pretend that new direction was always the "Real" plan all along.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:51:08 No.120095169 Report

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>>120095122
>then pretend that new direction was always the "Real" plan all along
See this doesn't bother me. I think what bothers me is the "well the prequels are actually really intellectual" memes that people now seem to believe. And while I think the prequels have a fine central idea and the Clone Wars had many enjoyable moments, people have this weird admiration with Lucas now. Partly because of memes, nostalgia and the sequels being bad.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:58:20 No.120095294 Report

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>>120093454
Fisher would likely have ODed after her first movie anyway so it couldn't have worked.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:58:40 No.120095303 Report

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>>120095122
He loves bullshitting. I don't know why, since a lot of the shit he changed his mind about is on record and not hard to find. 'The Making of' books are about as official an account of the production as you can get and they don't obscure anything, but The Meme of Lucas still persists and some people are still fooled into thinking he had an elaborate outline from the start.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 23:59:53 No.120095335 Report

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>>120094934
>>120095013
A lot of those big Star Wars YouTubers are very disliked at LucasFilm, too. Partially due to critiques but also from their reporting of leaks, at least a good chunk of which we know thanks to that RoS stuff that turned out to be true, are legitimate.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:00:55 No.120095362 Report

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>>120092863
Same energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow0b-Crmr1Q

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:01:28 No.120095373 Report

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>>120095335
Well that explains Hidalgo's outburst.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:03:14 No.120095407 Report

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WE'RE KNIGHTS OF THE HIGH REPUBLIC!
WE ARE MASTERS OF THE SUBJECT!

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:07:15 No.120095472 Report

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>>120094693
>>120094934
>>120095013
>>120095335
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVjU47iPNbg&;

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:09:22 No.120095497 Report

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>>120095472
The worst thing about that is, who the fuck cares about Galaxys Edge?

>>120093713
The worst thing about Galaxy's Edge is? There is two "rides". And one is the Millenium Falcon. And the other is some Imperial base thing. And that's it. Who the fuck wants to go around that?

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>>120095497
>$42

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:11:06 No.120095523 Report

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>>120095497
In all honesty having been there, the Rides are actually pretty badass. Rise of the Resistance is one of the best dark rides Disney has ever done.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:11:32 No.120095534 Report

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>>120095497
They're neat enough, but the line makes them a pain in the ass.

The Blue Milk is fucking amazing, however.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:11:44 No.120095537 Report

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>>120095497
The drinks are apparently shit there are well because they didn't want to pay for decent experienced bartenders.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:12:42 No.120095556 Report

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.>>120095497
>14 Dollars for a cocktail
Jesus Christ Disney.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:13:16 No.120095563 Report

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>>120095497
>>120095523
>>120095534
The only good thing is the Reys. AND NO ONE CAN DENY IT.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:14:19 No.120095576 Report

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>>120095556
The bottom one is $42

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:14:46 No.120095581 Report

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>>120093150
It always surprisingly just how far people like Iger can go in the fucking entertainment industry when they’re the epitome of soulless assholes who don’t have any integrity or respect for what they’re managing the dude okayed for a major blockbuster to play next to a concentration camp just to just go suck the Chinese cock. All he does is push for more major acquisitions and watering down the “brand” for maximum mass appeal. And he’s got absolutely no self awareness with how much of a manipulative dick he’s been for decades because it was all for the bottom line

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:15:29 No.120095594 Report

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Star Wars died when Lucas left. D*sney shit is non canon.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:16:00 No.120095602 Report

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>>120095594
Star Wars died when The Phantom Menace was made.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:17:00 No.120095625 Report

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>>120092863
is this a character?

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:19:01 No.120095662 Report

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>>120093060
I don't remember who it was but someone at Lucasfilm said kinda recently that they had seen a 4k restoration of the original cut at Disney and that it was never gonna be released.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:19:15 No.120095663 Report

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>>120094909
Can Star Wars be dark, yes. I love dark stuff. Should that darkness include Luke Skywalker being an angry, bitter anti-Jedi recluse in the first time we've seen him in decades, before promptly dying a failure, no not really.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:25:21 No.120095766 Report

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>>120094967
I don't want to think I must consoome I don't want to be challenged I must consoome I like Star Wars because it's simple and good guys have green lasers and bad guys have red lasers

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:25:50 No.120095776 Report

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>>120095663
>Should that darkness include Luke Skywalker being an angry, bitter anti-Jedi recluse in the first time we've seen him in decades, before promptly dying a failure, no not really.
See I am not saying jaded Luke is *good* and I am not defending TLJ. What I am saying is Luke being jaded and bitter would have only worked IF they had given it a decent conclusion, which was the point I made in my other post. But like you said he died as a failure, literally doing nothing, is what hurt the most. Jaded Luke needed a redemption to actually make him as a character matter. The problem is his character in TLJ pleased no one because it didn't take the theme they used to any redemptive conclusion for the fans that liked the idea of jaded Luke. And it didn't please fans who wanted to see a proper-ROTJ strong Luke. Do you see what I mean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:29:49 No.120095840 Report

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>>120089974
They hated him because he spoke the truth out loud

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:30:12 No.120095847 Report

Quoted By: >>120096232

>>120095663
>Can Star Wars be dark, yes. I love dark stuff. Should that darkness include Luke Skywalker being an angry, bitter anti-Jedi recluse in the first time we've seen him in decades, before promptly dying a failure, no not really.
The confusion here is that you said: TLJ was bad because it was dark. When what you should have said: it was bad because it ruined the character for you. Those are different things desu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:32:11 No.120095885 Report

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>>120091569
Well that would be racist!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:37:05 No.120095997 Report

Quoted By: >>120096076

>>120091972
Was probably his way of saying "I'm not sure anyone wants to follow this tire fire at this point, and we're probably wasting money"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:41:17 No.120096076 Report

Quoted By: >>120096108

>>120095997
He more wanted to say: "Star Wars fatigue is the reason people didn't like the movies" and not say "People hated TLJ and then couldn't be bothered to see Solo because of it, hence why that flopped."

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:43:08 No.120096108 Report

Quoted By: >>120096140

>>120096076
Solo was fucking stupid and would have bombed regardless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:45:11 No.120096140 Report

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>>120096108
Yeah of course. It cost something stupid like 400-500 million. But they started shilling the idea of SW fatigue because they thought that Solo came out too soon after the last film.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:50:43 No.120096232 Report

Quoted By: >>120096305

>>120095847
That was a different person

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:54:52 No.120096305 Report

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>>120096232
Fair enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:57:36 No.120096357 Report

Quoted By: >>120096380

>>120095602
Star Wars died when the Empire Strikes Back released

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:58:52 No.120096380 Report

Quoted By:

>>120096357
Star Wars died when the Holiday Special was released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 00:59:15 No.120096385 Report

Quoted By:

>>120088132
Different Eras. This is only a couple centuries before the prequel trilogy

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:24:55 No.120096823 Report

Quoted By: >>120096849 >>120097178

How do you fuckup Kino Wars even more than EA Bioware did but still did a good job at?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:25:36 No.120096839 Report

Quoted By: >>120096953 >>120097152

>>120094368
Personally I realised after this decade that, to enjoy something, it's likely you'll have to pinpoint at which season/sequel/timeskip all turns to shit and ignore them altogether.

>>120094548
>So how does Anakin killing the Jedi and then killing Palpatine bring balance when everyone is dead and Luke just becomes a Jedi?
Did he, though? He starts RotJ force-choking some soldiers. Maybe he figured out the balance.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:26:14 No.120096849 Report

Quoted By: >>120096914 >>120097178

>>120096823
seriously, the Old Republic is the best era by virtue of actually being a place you can tell morally grey conflict while still having stakes unlike bland ass rogue bitch

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:28:03 No.120096881 Report

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>>120095766
It is the first movie that stsarted the tradition of movie based action figures. And future summer flicks that only had the purpose of selling toys. Star Wars is nothing but a toy commercial. anyone telling you otherwise is full of shit or a mindless fanboy that cannot see what they are doing.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:30:01 No.120096914 Report

Quoted By: >>120096930 >>120097178

>>120096849
it's also the only material or era that addresses the Jedi/Sith problem

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:31:05 No.120096930 Report

Quoted By: >>120096970 >>120097178

>>120096914
the ST only proved Kreia's point and these poor tube people

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:32:42 No.120096953 Report

Quoted By:

>>120096839
>Did he, though? He starts RotJ force-choking some soldiers. Maybe he figured out the balance.
The film ends with him saying he is a Jedi. And this doesn't change in the sequels. And Lucas just wanted him to be a sexless Jedi celibate.

Really they could have done something with this balance.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:33:44 No.120096970 Report

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>>120096930
in the end, the star cabal was right

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:33:46 No.120096971 Report

Quoted By: >>120096994 >>120098675

How bad is this gonna be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:33:57 No.120096973 Report

Quoted By:

>>120094135
GTA rape goes a long way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neTTQLbmhcA

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:34:23 No.120096985 Report

Quoted By:

>>120083997
This image is lacks drama.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:34:49 No.120096994 Report

Quoted By: >>120098675 >>120098696

>>120096971
Considering from the holocron/Mortis/thor yor looking shape it seems like it is gonna be Jedi origins/dawn of the jedi shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:35:38 No.120097012 Report

Quoted By: >>120097037 >>120097058

>>120083997
Are there two zabrak Jedi, or is that just a misprint?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:37:06 No.120097037 Report

Quoted By:

>>120097012
looks like a misprint since it's clearly a copy that got cut off. Or an editting error.

Alternatively they're going to aim for the jojo audience and introduce force STANDS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:37:20 No.120097043 Report

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>>120087357
So did they hide the dice right before this was taken?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:37:54 No.120097058 Report

Quoted By:

>>120097012
i think they're boring male bald twins

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:39:30 No.120097082 Report

Quoted By:

>>120094777
I'm guessing that it's there to show how there wasn't any sort of major rebellion until Rebels.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:41:18 No.120097114 Report

Quoted By: >>120097132 >>120097136

>>120091738
There were no earlier drafts, Rian bragged that TLJ was a first draft script.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:42:29 No.120097132 Report

Quoted By:

>>120097114
what a fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:42:45 No.120097136 Report

Quoted By:

>>120097114
There were. That was a joke. The problem is the development began while TFA was still in development only it seems like he was given more cliff notes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:43:25 No.120097152 Report

Quoted By: >>120097226 >>120097265

>>120096839
>>120094548
Balance under George Lucas meant no dark side at all. Balance in Disney canon is just... the galaxy isn't fighting as much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:44:59 No.120097178 Report

Quoted By: >>120097200 >>120099488

>>120096823
>>120096849
>>120096914
>>120096930
SWTOR is still pretty bad dude and easily the worst entry in the old republic era

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:45:11 No.120097184 Report

Quoted By:

>>120088157
I would like to know what this is referring to. Google gives me nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:46:46 No.120097200 Report

Quoted By:

>>120097178
Nah, that would be the horribly drawn tales of the Jedi comic

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:47:31 No.120097210 Report

Quoted By:

>>120094757
She’s just an old and out of touch producer put in a position she doesn’t understand or care for

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:48:38 No.120097226 Report

Quoted By: >>120097265 >>120097584

>>120097152
>Balance under George Lucas meant no dark side at all.
But that isn't balance? And he was still producing clone wars when it did the whole mortis arc and talked about balance.
>Balance in Disney canon is just... the galaxy isn't fighting as much.
Balance in Disney is the same thing. All of the Jedi working through Rey defeated all of the Sith working through Palpatine. Darkside was "gone" again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:49:11 No.120097239 Report

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>>120083997
>If you put Bossk on a Lightsaber, you're gonna sell issues!

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:50:48 No.120097265 Report

Quoted By: >>120097396 >>120097399 >>120097496

>>120097152
>>120097226
Light and Dark exist in nature, the living force, there can be balance there. They explored this in S6 of the Clone Wars a little and then Filoni elaborated on this idea more in Rebels with Bendu and the Wolves. While grey jedi aren't a thing in canon in Lucas' eyes, nature is grey.

Balance in the context of the original six films is removing the Sith from power because their corruptive influence is creating an imbalance, that is unnatural.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:51:46 No.120097277 Report

Quoted By: >>120097431

So does anyone think that we’ll get love dramas with some Jedi or teenage padawans going into “Tosche Station” to pick up some “power converters”

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:58:57 No.120097396 Report

Quoted By: >>120097444 >>120097533

>>120097265
The original ROTS novelization really drove home how much more incomprehensible the force was and how it went so far beyond the Jedi and Sith

“ you must understand that not even the Jedi know all there is to be known about the Force; no mortal mind can. We speak of the will of the Force as someone ignorant of gravity might say it is the will of a river to flow to the ocean; it is a metaphor that describes our ignorance. The simple truth - if any truth is ever simple - is that we do not truly know what the will of the Force may be. We can never know. It is so far beyond our limited understanding that we can only surrender to its mystery.”

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 01:59:04 No.120097399 Report

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>>120097265
I think my problem is more that I don't really like the whole chosen one prophecy because eh. I mean yeah if you look at Clone Wars exploration of it and stuff like Mortis. And yeah the Sith changed the balance. But in the end is there balance anymore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:00:25 No.120097431 Report

Quoted By: >>120097839

>>120097277
Sequels were weirdly sexless because they couldn't be bothered to hook up Finn/Rey or even Finn/Poe. I can't see these High Republic books will deal with romance. If anything some non-Jedi people will end up being bi or gender non conforming and have romances, like they will have some ship mechanic etc do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:01:19 No.120097444 Report

Quoted By: >>120097492

>>120097396
the jedi are too arrogant to understand the force

sith don't give a fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:04:34 No.120097492 Report

Quoted By: >>120097519

>>120097444
Yeah but it the book also tackled why the dark side is so terrifying and destructive for anyone but pure evil people like Palpatine

The dark is generous, and it is patient. It is the dark that seeds cruelty into justice, that drips contempt into compassion, that poisons love with grains of doubt. The dark can be patient, because the slightest drop of rain will cause those seeds to sprout. The rain will come, and the seeds will sprout, for the dark is the soil in which they grow, and it is the clouds above them, and it waits behind the star that gives them light. The dark’s patience is infinite. Eventually, even stars burn out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:04:46 No.120097496 Report

Quoted By: >>120097519 >>120097584 >>120097641

>>120097265
What I hate about the "the Force wants balance" argument is that it tries to equate the Jedi being arrogant and emotionless with the Sith being egotistical murder-machines.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:05:45 No.120097519 Report

Quoted By: >>120097630

>>120097492
>>120097496
chad sith ain't give no fucks

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:06:28 No.120097533 Report

Quoted By:

>>120097396
>"The force is like dark matter or gravity, we know it exists but we don't quite understand how it works." ~ George Lucas

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:08:45 No.120097584 Report

Quoted By: >>120097908

>>120097226
As George Lucas originally intended it, the force isn't a Blue Gray Red spectrum. There's just the Force, and the Dark Side of the Force is a mutation/corruption of it. Bringing balance to the force means no dark side. TROS specifically states that Anakin brought balance to the force, and now Rey will. JJ Buttbrains went on to expand on that saying balance in the force just means things are quiet for a bit, but the galaxy needs to work hard to maintain that quiet or Palpatine will rise from the grave and destroy every planet.

>>120097496
Yeah, I don't like the Light/Bad spectrum for that reason, and also, it just makes the force a little less interesting if there's a Good Force and a Bad Force.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:11:24 No.120097630 Report

Quoted By: >>120097917

>>120097519
ayy

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:11:53 No.120097641 Report

Quoted By: >>120097708

>>120097496
>Jedi being arrogant and emotionless with the Sith being egotistical murder-machines.
I think the problem is in part how the Jedi and Sith end up depicted.

Jedi should just be wandering warrior monks who help people in a similar way to the Japanese influences on the original concept. But in the prequels they were made into bureaucratic and boring. On the other hand I get that the bureaucratic thing represents their decadence and how eventually being plunged into war destroyed their connection to the force and this was Palpatine's plan. But then Palpatine isn't really given motivation for what he ultimately wanted beyond power. Perhaps we could do a bland thing of saying he wanted order to the Galaxy. I don't really like the old EU "He was preparing for Vong" shit.

Really Jedi/Sith represent different force philosophies that each have their own pitfalls but instead of really being philosophies it often does just get wrapped up in goodies vs baddies. And while someone will likely give more explanation, I find that the more we talk about the extra stuff at explaining the force the more it kind of gets bogged down in vague mumbo jumbo because ultimately the more it is explained the lamer it seems.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:15:45 No.120097708 Report

Quoted By: >>120097738 >>120097917

>>120097641
jedi tried genociding the sith

they're the real bad guys

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:17:06 No.120097738 Report

Quoted By: >>120097774 >>120097797

>>120097708
I think my own head canon hates the fact that ultimately the Jedi and Sith have, at varying times, mostly always been organised and repeating the same shit for thousands of years just because.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:19:01 No.120097774 Report

Quoted By: >>120097915

>>120097738
The Sith are just trying to rule the Galaxy. The Jedi are content with letting the Republic, Hutts, and pirates fuck everything up eternally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:20:06 No.120097797 Report

Quoted By: >>120097841

>>120097738
SWTOR made it really egregious because it retconned like, all of the Empire motifs into being Sith Empire motifs and it just makes the whole thing retarded. At least the Jedi kind of change things up a little with how they present themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:22:11 No.120097839 Report

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>>120097431
I think the books might have some more leeway with the Roman I mean the movies had romance but it was absolute garbage and some of the worst garbage out on screen

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:22:14 No.120097841 Report

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>>120097797
seethe, boi

sith empire best empire

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:25:48 No.120097908 Report

Quoted By: >>120097970 >>120098506

>>120097584
Also the Mortis Gods were meant to be somewhat ignorant of the bigger picture as well. Seeing things more in black and white.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:26:08 No.120097915 Report

Quoted By: >>120097964 >>120098516

>>120097774
>The Sith are just trying to rule the Galaxy. The Jedi are content with letting the Republic, Hutts, and pirates fuck everything up eternally.
TBF Palpatine did plenty of fucking everything up, letting whole races be enslaved and shit happening. Really anyone who mentions the force is a cunt and should be killed.

'ate Jedi
'ate Sith
'ate all-powerful Force controlling everything
'ate my ally is the Force
'ate Baby Yoda
Luv Bounty Hunting Guild
Luv Death sticks
Luv sexy Twi'lek/Zeltron/Dathomirian women

SIMPLE AS

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:26:10 No.120097917 Report

Quoted By:

>>120097630
>>120097708
Are Sith Purebloods even canon or ever were?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:28:19 No.120097964 Report

Quoted By: >>120097994

>>120097915
>letting whole races be enslaved
bruh, tell me the twi'leks are good for anything other than breeding sex slaves and Mandos are good for anything other than getting themselves killed
try it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:28:35 No.120097970 Report

Quoted By: >>120098091

>>120097908
The Mortis "Gods" just seem to be powerful Celestials who could manipulate the force so much that it made them cunts. And that whole thing with the Mother shit. Christ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:29:47 No.120097994 Report

Quoted By: >>120098014

>>120097964
Fuck you, why did my niggas the wookies have to be ensalved, nigga, why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:30:54 No.120098014 Report

Quoted By: >>120098065

>>120097994
What the fuck have wookies ever done but hide in trees and do nothing?

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:33:42 No.120098065 Report

Quoted By: >>120098080

>>120098014
LET THEM CELEBRATE LIFE DAY IN PEACE YOU NONCE!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:34:46 No.120098080 Report

Quoted By: >>120098092

>>120098065
we will drink blue milk as we smash sweet twi'lek slave pussy while watching your people get worked to death

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:35:30 No.120098091 Report

Quoted By: >>120098152 >>120098506

>>120097970
Them being Celestials and Abeloth being the "mother" came from the EU, that's not Lucas or Filoni. But yeah they're not really gods I think, just a race of beings highly attuned to the force, or perhaps they were conceived by the force in a similar manner to Anakin so they could serve it, like the Daughter said, they are the ones who guard the power. Either way they're more akin to demigods, which Anakin technically is as well according to Lucas. That may be why the Father needed Anakin to replace him.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:35:37 No.120098092 Report

Quoted By: >>120098326

>>120098080
Nigga I'm literally the one who was bigging up all the Twi'lek puss around here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:36:53 No.120098119 Report

Quoted By: >>120098152 >>120098157

>>120088501
>Most of this makes sense given Star Wars tries to keep a modified form of Taoism as its central truth.
Holy shit no. The Force is no Yingyang dichtomie between light and dark.
The Dark side is cancer, forcing your will upon the Force. Balance is achived by not having the Dark Side around

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:38:40 No.120098149 Report

Quoted By: >>120098176

>>120089785
Why does this look like 40k Kids?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:38:57 No.120098152 Report

Quoted By: >>120098431

>>120098091
Honestly I find the deeper you go into the extra force shit, EU or otherwise, the more eh it becomes. I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe I am just a picky cunt but like. Should Star Wars be simple or should it be more or both or neither. The more Lucas or anyone else tries to explain the weirder it gets.

>>120098119
>The Dark side is cancer, forcing your will upon the Force. Balance is achived by not having the Dark Side around
The problem is there is literally tons of Star Wars media that contradicts that. So for most people it is the yingyang dichotomy. Mostly because a lot of Star Wars media says that it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:39:06 No.120098157 Report

Quoted By:

>>120098119
so long as human and living beings exist, that is impossible

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:39:59 No.120098176 Report

Quoted By:

>>120098149
Because it is for kids. Some of the stuff is YA specific.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:40:17 No.120098185 Report

Quoted By:

>>120089897
>implying that girls white

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:40:48 No.120098193 Report

Quoted By:

>>120091721
Because a Capitalist entity like Disney only understands things like "feminism" as allowing ruling class women to have equality with ruling class men in being able to push around the poor.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:47:06 No.120098326 Report

Quoted By: >>120098386

>>120098092
nah, all you get is super patchy hairy pussy

no catlady for you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:49:43 No.120098386 Report

Quoted By:

>>120098326
As if. You're a weak willed officer who couldn't even force himself on a Kowakian monkey-lizard without filling out a bunch of forms and getting in a bacta tank for your ouchies. Meanwhile those Twi'leks are ligned up for BIG WOOKIE COCK.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:50:15 No.120098401 Report

Quoted By: >>120098423 >>120098453

>>120092091
I think they're going to make Thrawn a good guy if the rumor is true about Ezra dating his niece and them teaming up to fight the not-Vong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:51:13 No.120098423 Report

Quoted By: >>120098578

>>120098401
Wait what?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:51:30 No.120098431 Report

Quoted By: >>120098521

>>120098152
Do you prefer the more mystical interpretation with Mortis, Bendu and the World Between Worlds or the weirder sci fi aspects with the Midichlorian planet, the Whills and the Priestesses?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:52:15 No.120098449 Report

Quoted By: >>120098477

>>120093973
wait is the cantina music really called jizz?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:52:25 No.120098453 Report

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>>120098401
It's a meme, an especially hilarious one when you consider how much Ezra hated the big blue by the end of the show.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:53:14 No.120098477 Report

Quoted By: >>120098552

>>120098449
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:53:54 No.120098494 Report

Quoted By:

>>120084309
Some one who reviewed it really enjoyed it and called it one of his new favorites. But he also said that his love of the book might just come from nostalgia of the times when star wars did muti media projects. So I wouldn't take his word for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:54:39 No.120098506 Report

Quoted By:

>>120097908
>>120098091
I hope the high republic at least tries to establish that the force is beyond comprehension and can’t actually be fully understood by anyone

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:55:14 No.120098516 Report

Quoted By:

>>120097915
>Zeltron
There’s a good lad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:55:32 No.120098521 Report

Quoted By: >>120098583 >>120098608 >>120098734

>>120098431
What's that from (the pic)? RPG?
>Do you prefer the more mystical interpretation with Mortis, Bendu and the World Between Worlds or the weirder sci fi aspects with the Midichlorian planet, the Whills and the Priestesses?
I don't think I really like either desu. The weirder sci fi doesn't fit the pulpiness of SW. And the mystical shit goes too far into the realm of "Gods" type stuff.

I'm weird. I will happily read loads of SW EU stuff. But honestly I don't think a lot of it fits my interpretation of SW. It is a bit like when DC or Marvel get really cosmic or God and make up a bunch of entities and you just go, what? Snyder made up that Eternia or whatever it was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:56:51 No.120098552 Report

Quoted By:

>>120098477
what the fuck

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:58:26 No.120098578 Report

Quoted By: >>120098621 >>120098637 >>120098675 >>120098739

>>120098423
The timetable is skewed because of covid, but he definitely called Rangers of the Republic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:58:35 No.120098583 Report

Quoted By: >>120098608

>>120098521
>Snyder made up that Eternia or whatever it was.
Not eternia... I can't think of the name. He made some sort of Chaos thing in DC, new big bad.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 02:59:38 No.120098608 Report

Quoted By: >>120098822

>>120098583
>>120098521
You mean Perpetua?

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:00:12 No.120098621 Report

Quoted By: >>120098675

>>120098578
They would have announced this already for the investors call

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:00:58 No.120098637 Report

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>>120098578
This only sounds good for the blue alien pussy.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:02:58 No.120098675 Report

Quoted By: >>120098700 >>120098751

>>120098578
I call bullshit. Naming things like the Rakata is bringing some out there EU stuff into canon, unless Taika Waititi uses that for his jedi origin film:
>>120096994
>>120096971
Which I doubt he will. Using not-Vong and other stuff. Ehhh. That's really out there shit desu.

>>120098621
I think he is saying that the Ahsoka and other Disney+ shows will do this? Maybe?

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:04:13 No.120098696 Report

Quoted By: >>120098715

>>120096994
please no. I cant take jedi battle meditation. I tried taking a shot every time I read the phrase in the tpb of that era and by god I was puking my brains out halfway through

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:04:25 No.120098700 Report

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>>120098675
>I think he is saying that the Ahsoka and other Disney+ shows will do this? Maybe?
My bad it says "animation".

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:05:25 No.120098715 Report

Quoted By: >>120098777

>>120098696
>jedi battle meditation
What?

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:06:52 No.120098734 Report

Quoted By: >>120098822

>>120098521
A lot of people seem to hate whenever stories explore gods and things like that because it can be boring or over the top. I'm willing to give that stuff a chance because I like mythology and they often portray gods as interesting characters, just seems like modern pop culture can't write them right. DC's New God's are alright, there's character drama there. And even the Mortis Gods, albeit undeveloped have some cool moments in Clone Wars, particularly the Son's relationship with Father and Daughter and how he still loved them beneath it all.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:07:40 No.120098739 Report

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>>120098578
Fuck me, that all sounds like Kino, especially the last Rakata.

I wonder if they'll get Ezra's VA to play him in Live Action.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:08:25 No.120098751 Report

Quoted By: >>120098863

>>120098675
>bringing some out there EU stuff into canon
How is this an excuse? You think most of the MCU wasn't considered "out there" before they made it to the silver screen? Obscurity has not mattered since a talking tree and raccoon became household names.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:10:15 No.120098777 Report

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>>120098715
It was from an old dark horse comic about the birth of the jedi and if a technique can be a mary sue it was this. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_meditation

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:12:48 No.120098822 Report

Quoted By: >>120098865 >>120098933

>>120098734
>A lot of people seem to hate whenever stories explore gods and things like that because it can be boring or over the top.
It depends on the tone or depth of it.
>I'm willing to give that stuff a chance because I like mythology and they often portray gods as interesting characters, just seems like modern pop culture can't write them right.
I didn't find the Mortis shit that *interesting*. But I agree they can't write them.
>DC's New God's are alright, there's character drama there.
DC New God's are fully fleshed out with a particular tone that Kirby wanted for how he wanted his heroes to not necessarily "fight" the bad guys to win but win by being better.

The reason I hate God shit is because it has become like this shit:
>>120098608
Super powerful epic dark entities that no one knew about over-over-monitors and chaos and who can stop them. Which is really the same as what you said that pop culture can't write them.

I think there is a lack of consistency in the force stuff. As some anons have pointed out in this thread: someone mentioned it like taoism balance and others said that the dark side is always bad/corrupting. So the more stuff they add often feels like that DC shit.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:15:04 No.120098863 Report

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>>120098751
>How is this an excuse? You think most of the MCU wasn't considered "out there" before they made it to the silver screen? Obscurity has not mattered since a talking tree and raccoon became household names.
Not what I am saying at all, anon. And vastly different to the Marvel experience. I am saying that I don't really think that "leak" is real. If an animated show was coming it would have been annouced. The "not-Vong" team up stuff, Thrawn good guy, Rakata, Ahsoka stuff. There is too much to think this is a real show coming. Especially since we are getting a live action Ahsoka. So I am just casting doubt on this being a real "leak" since it sounds like the combination of those things is a bit too much to believe.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:15:09 No.120098865 Report

Quoted By: >>120098902 >>120098963

>>120098822
I liked the Mortis gods for being pretty much beyond the whole Sith/Jedi conflict. They were on a whole different playing field and only the Son really wanted to step down into mortal shitflinginghood.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:17:08 No.120098902 Report

Quoted By: >>120098963

>>120098865
>I liked the Mortis gods for being pretty much beyond the whole Sith/Jedi conflict.
I understand that partly because anything beyond Jedi/Sith with the force could be very interesting if done enough and I wish they would explore it more.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:18:40 No.120098932 Report

Quoted By: >>120098974

you know I kinda wish they brought the vong back. like yeah they were dumb but there werent the same exact thing we already got before. I was so glad to get an enemy that wasnt an imperial remnant or a dark side user

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:18:40 No.120098933 Report

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>>120098822
>I didn't find the Mortis shit that *interesting*. But I agree they can't write them.
I should clarify I meant modern pop culture can't write that stuff, echoing what you said.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:20:58 No.120098963 Report

Quoted By: >>120098987

>>120098902
>>120098865
Check out the Fate of the Jedi to learn more about their role in the Galaxy and how others who didn't resist fared.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:21:26 No.120098973 Report

Quoted By: >>120099010 >>120099017 >>120099051 >>120099096 >>120099110

Why couldn't they give Star Wars to someone competent from the get go? Why did they say fuck off to George, when he offered his help? Why did they not get Filoni involved? I honestly don't care about anything Star Wars anymore, because the sequel trilogy is there, looming over us. Everything leads to that disaster, and there is nothing that can be done. There is no second chance. Thanks, Disney. At least you "saved" The Clone Wars, despite killing it in the first place.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:21:28 No.120098974 Report

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>>120098932
It is amazing how the Vong, trillions dead in war, no force, bio ship stuff is now looking at least different.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:22:09 No.120098987 Report

Quoted By: >>120099072

>>120098963
is that the one where ben gets a hot sith gf

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:23:56 No.120099010 Report

Quoted By: >>120099035

>>120098973
the mandolorian, grogu, asohka and cgi luke see a vision of the sequel trilogy and they do a time heist using the portal that ahsoka was saved with to make sure palpatine never fucks

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:24:27 No.120099017 Report

Quoted By: >>120099036

>>120098973
>Why couldn't they give Star Wars to someone competent from the get go?
Because business people make decisions but they still exist in the same online "bubbles" we exist in with the problem of strange bias. Iger couldn't admit TLJ was bad and had to act like film fatigue caused it. These people are not competent just because they are rich and work in the industry.
>Why did they say fuck off to George, when he offered his help?
His ideas scared them. And after the prequels they didn't want to take the risk.
>Why did they not get Filoni involved?
Probably because they had their own people and ideas.
>I honestly don't care about anything Star Wars anymore, because the sequel trilogy is there, looming over us. Everything leads to that disaster, and there is nothing that can be done. There is no second chance.
I mean many of us still hate the prequels and yet SW keeps going.
>At least you "saved" The Clone Wars, despite killing it in the first place.
All you can get is small victories here.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:25:49 No.120099035 Report

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>>120099010
I wish, but we both know that will never happen. Those movies are atrocious, and I feel nothing but dread when thinking about Star Wars because of them. All the potential they killed, all the great stories that could be possible, but they aren't, because it all leads into The Farce Awakens. Horrible.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:25:50 No.120099036 Report

Quoted By: >>120099059

>>120099017
>I mean many of us still hate the prequels and yet SW keeps going.
the prequels were in the past. no matter what the future of star wars is a bad end

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:26:27 No.120099045 Report

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>>120089737
Is that a fucking Lepi?

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:26:39 No.120099051 Report

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>>120098973
The Siege of Mandalore felt like it should've been released as an actual film.

this is the definitive end of Star Wars as a whole, imo

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:27:09 No.120099059 Report

Quoted By: >>120099119

>>120099036
>the prequels were in the past. no matter what the future of star wars is a bad end
And? We still had to sit around and some how qualify in our minds how fucking Jar Jar gave the Chancellor emergency powers and fucked the Republic up. All because Lucas had to keep pushing Jar Jar as a fuck you to the audience. It is the same thing.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:28:14 No.120099072 Report

Quoted By: >>120099099

>>120098987
And despite everything, continues to realize 'hey, maybe she's actually evil!'.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:29:51 No.120099096 Report

Quoted By: >>120099111 >>120099296

>>120098973
>Why did they say fuck off to George, when he offered his help?
Because his script was probably really bad.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:29:55 No.120099099 Report

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>>120099072
to be fair she was really hot and he lost his virginity to his uncles ex gf who was semi evil at the time

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:30:22 No.120099110 Report

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>>120098973
> Why couldn't they give Star Wars to someone competent from the get go?
This is the biggest mystery. I can understand not involving George after his prequel triology (even if it made money), I can understand them not taking a cartoon guy to do movies and I can very much understand not wanting to admit to your mistakes. But why they didn’t hand the movies to someone who knew what the fuck they were doing from the start is the real mystery.

Disney could’ve gotten literally anyone they wanted to do the movies and all they need is someone with foresight that would create movies that open up the way for more stories. Instead, they get faggots who have admitted they dislike the franchise to make more of it. What the hell, man?

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:30:28 No.120099111 Report

Quoted By: >>120099176

>>120099096
>Maul and Talon running the Galaxy through crime and chaos
man, fuck off

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:30:56 No.120099119 Report

Quoted By: >>120099159

>>120099059
I dont see jar jar doing that as a good thing or a fuck you to fans its you are right this character is awful and this is how awful he is, he killed democracy

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:33:08 No.120099159 Report

Quoted By: >>120099177

>>120099119
George Lucas only kept Jar Jar around as a fuck you to the audience because they didn't like him in Episode 1. At least JJ Abrams made Rose Tico a nothing role in TROS. Imagine if instead of Lando, Rose Tico suddenly appeared with a massive fleet at Exegol in the end as a big fuck you for people hating her. This is the equivalent to giving Jar Jar a role in AOTC. Imagine it: WE KNOW YOU HATE ROSE BUT HERE SHE IS SAVING THE DAY. That's what it was like.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:33:17 No.120099162 Report

Quoted By: >>120099209 >>120099284

>g-guys, everyone hated the prequels!
>g-guys, here is your TCW Season 7, that we killed, because we wanted to jerk off to OT shit, and make it cheap
>g-guys, here is Obi-Wan Kenobi show with Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor guys!
>g-guys, here is the stealth Clone Wars sequel!
>g-guys, here is Ahsoka show!
>g-guys, here are all the prequels references and cameos in the Mandalorian! We also brought Temuera back!
>please, forgive us for ignoring the prequels, ignoring entire generations of fans, because we are absolutely clueless and retarded, and God knows how we got our jobs!

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:34:10 No.120099176 Report

Quoted By: >>120099199

>>120099111
>instead of a galactic threat we need to deal with smugglers and death stick merchants
Fuck off

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:34:10 No.120099177 Report

Quoted By: >>120099215

>>120099159
but like rose jar jar had less and less screentime in each movie he was barely in 3

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:35:39 No.120099199 Report

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>>120099176
Galactic Threats are retarded by virtue of nothing actually being capable of threatening a million-star composed galaxy.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:36:24 No.120099209 Report

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>>120099162
only retards and zoomers like the prequels.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:36:41 No.120099215 Report

Quoted By: >>120099244 >>120099259

>>120099177
How can I explain when you're not getting it. Yes he had less screentime. BUT he purposefully made the character pivotal to the universe. And what I am saying is: fans hated Jar Jar, Lucas said fuck you. But at least with the sequels (and I hate the sequels) Rose Tico wasn't pivotal to the ending as a fuck you to fans. Do you see?

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:37:15 No.120099225 Report

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>>120092133
>six figure
No fuckin way.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:37:16 No.120099226 Report

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>>120099209
aww, you think you have a point

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:38:02 No.120099235 Report

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>>120099209
Zoomers were not born yet by the time episode iii came out.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:38:39 No.120099244 Report

Quoted By: >>120099320

>>120099215
but he was important in a bad way was my poin. he fucked things over for everyone

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:38:52 No.120099250 Report

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>>120087522
It's rather telling that the words are the thing people point to as what makes the prequels bad. When you've been so thoroughly subsumed by a meme, I guess you forget what it is that distinguishes film as a medium.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:39:15 No.120099256 Report

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>>120099209
Go watch The Force Awakens on repeat, until you die.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:39:22 No.120099259 Report

Quoted By: >>120099320

>>120099215
George made an already disliked character the catalyst for bad shit happening. It’s a better move than having a beloved character being to blame for everything getting fucked up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:40:20 No.120099284 Report

Quoted By: >>120099306 >>120099347 >>120099354

>>120099162
>>g-guys, everyone hated the prequels!
But there were shit loads of pro-prequel articles when Disney bought it. Plenty of people like the prequels.

I dislike them. I can enjoy them for what they are, I guess, because critical analysis is different to enjoyment. But I feel like their great central concept is bogged down in Lucas silliness. If anything I hate the modern memes suggesting everyone likes the prequels. You can get into some really silly arguments with people defending them as intellectual masterpieces. I can begrudgingly say there is some good ideas that needed more drafts to cut and improve. But honestly there are just as many people aggressively defending the prequels.

It makes talking about the prequels honestly impossible when it ends up in memes.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:40:57 No.120099296 Report

Quoted By: >>120099543

>>120099096
They could have just had balls like Mark Hamill or Alec Guinness and asked Lucas to change a few lines.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:41:41 No.120099306 Report

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>>120099284
its a combination of 1. people turning on red letter media and thus their analysis of the prequels
2. the sequels sucking even more shit and being even less original

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:43:04 No.120099320 Report

Quoted By: >>120099344 >>120099349

>>120099244
I know your point but it was a fuck you to have him in any role. George Lucas has been petty like that before. I don't understand adding "No!" to return of the jedi scene unless you say he did it because fans hated the "No!" scene in revenge of the sith.

>>120099259
Yeah but making essentially the buffoon the catalyst for this shit makes the whole universe a joke.

Can you imagine the Rebellion sat around like, remember that bumbling Gungan fool and how he fucked everything up? Palpatine didn't need to play 4D chess, he just needed loads more Gungans on Coruscant.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:44:21 No.120099344 Report

Quoted By: >>120099378

>>120099320
but its realistic on how idiots ascend upwards in power and give unlimited power to evil men.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:44:35 No.120099347 Report

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>>120099284
Here, have the best write up about the PT without veering into full blown autism I've ever witnessed that mirrors my own feelings about it.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:44:43 No.120099349 Report

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>>120099320
>Can you imagine the Rebellion sat around like, remember that bumbling Gungan fool and how he fucked everything up?
RIGHT gentlemen and ladies, how do we genocide the Gungans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:44:57 No.120099353 Report

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>>120093323
What is this, Rebels? Can I expect this if I watch the show?

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:45:05 No.120099354 Report

Quoted By: >>120099475

>>120099284
That was not the point of the post. The point is that the mouse purposefully ignored the prequels, its fans, and everything related to them, and distanced themselves as much as possible from them. They killed TCW, successful, award winning show with shit ton of viewers, that had two more seasons coming. Why? Because they wanted to "go in a different direction." OT inspired, cheaper, inferior cartoon. Their first Battlefront game? OT era only. Their movies? Completely ignore the prequels, despite presenting them as sequels to previous six films, and shoehorning them as a part of """Skywalker saga"""
And it bit them in the ass. Now all of the sudden, they care about the prequels, when they failed miserably with their garbage. Interesting.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:46:48 No.120099378 Report

Quoted By: >>120099465

>>120099344
C3PO was a fine comedic character. Bumbling, cowardly. Used just enough I'd say.

Jar Jar was literally engaged in fart jokes. Can you imagine Palpatine having visions of the future and seeing this guy smelling farts. "Ah yes.. Binks will give me what I need". Do you not see the issue.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:53:15 No.120099465 Report

Quoted By: >>120099482 >>120099497

>>120099378
So, like real life politicians come to power thanks to the dumbest and the most clueless laymen, by manipulating them via their most primal fears and urges? Seems about right. Never has that happened, that dumb people, who are easily fooled, give someone more power than they deserve. Really something novel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:53:48 No.120099475 Report

Quoted By: >>120099626

>>120099354
>That was not the point of the post.
I know it wasn't.
>The point is that the mouse purposefully ignored the prequels, its fans, and everything related to them, and distanced themselves as much as possible from them.
I'm gonna have to play devils advocate here and say that of course they distanced because they were worried about them. But they don't *hate* them because they are literally part of something THEY own. They just wanted to focus on making new films because it meant more money contractually. There were loads of articles about how the prequels were redeemed.
>They killed TCW, successful, award winning show with shit ton of viewers, that had two more seasons coming. Why? Because they wanted to "go in a different direction."
They didn't kill TCW as a fuck you to the prequels. They did it because this happens with most takeovers. It is hard to continue along franchises and shows with older contractual obligations especially when you want to create and market new things. This is as much a business thing as anything.
>OT inspired, cheaper, inferior cartoon.
Which cartoon do you mean? Rebels?
>Their first Battlefront game? OT era only.
This isn't Disney's fault. This is EAs fault. And I've posted before in this thread about how shit EA is when it comes to the license.
>Their movies? Completely ignore the prequels, despite presenting them as sequels to previous six films, and shoehorning them as a part of """Skywalker saga"""
Their movies ignored the OT as well to make a Resistance that was the underdogs because they were too retarded in trying to make a bad guy and instead reset it to Resistance vs First Order instead of new Republic.
>And it bit them in the ass. Now all of the sudden, they care about the prequels, when they failed miserably with their garbage. Interesting.
You're acting as if they hate properties they own and they aren't just engaging with this stuff because The Mandalorian was a success.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:54:25 No.120099482 Report

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>>120099465
Cope trump is getting 4 more years even if he has to declare Marshall law which he should we don't deserve democracy after we let him down

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:54:46 No.120099488 Report

Quoted By: >>120099520 >>120099525

>>120097178
Except female light side sith warrior. It was literally perfect. Also, the only time in my video game career that I wanted to date a man. That officer guy. I loved him, in spite of his annoying ass voice.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:55:18 No.120099497 Report

Quoted By: >>120099510

>>120099465
Dumb politicians? Sure. A literally physical comedy bumbling guy who should be in the Three Stooges? Doesn't really tonally fit at all.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:56:15 No.120099510 Report

Quoted By: >>120099545

>>120099497
We have people who belive in qanon in congress

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:56:44 No.120099520 Report

Quoted By: >>120099578

>>120099488
Malavai's voice is pure sex

also, he totally didn't sabotage the glory station

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:56:52 No.120099525 Report

Quoted By: >>120099559

>>120099488
gay.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:57:50 No.120099543 Report

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>>120099296
Didn't Alec Guinness die as a direct result of his shame over accidentally being in a shitty space opera?

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:57:58 No.120099545 Report

Quoted By: >>120099651

>>120099510
Jar Jar is literally out of a physical comedy, anon. I don't see those politicians getting inolved in smelling farts and bumbling antics where they always kinda fuck up but it sorta works out physical comedy routines.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:58:09 No.120099546 Report

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George Lucas literally went back and edited in a goongas cheering into ROTJ and you fuckers think this dude wasn't using Jar Jar to troll the fans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:59:00 No.120099559 Report

Quoted By: >>120099566

>>120099525
It wasn't gay because I was a woman back then. A beautiful sith woman with a voice that was pure sex.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 03:59:15 No.120099566 Report

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>>120099559
>sith woman
Fag

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 04:00:07 No.120099578 Report

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>>120099520
>also, he totally didn't sabotage the glory station
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WQ8z9IP6OY&ab_channel=FibroJedi

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 04:03:54 No.120099626 Report

Quoted By: >>120099803 >>120099870

>>120099475
They had this false assumption as if people hate the prequels and everything related to them. It is so obvious. When they failed with pandering to the OT crowd, and essentially raped and murdered OT legacy, they started pandering to the PT crowd, by "saving" The Clone Wars, and boy oh boy, who could have guessed, it turned out to be a tremendous success. And after the success of TCW, they bring back Temuera Morrison, and give all those nods to the PT in The Mandalorian, and after that, they announce all those new PT shows, one with Hayden fucking Christensen all of the sudden. Do you know where Hayden Christensen would actually matter? In the fucking sequels, where his grandson is trying to emulate him for no reason whatsoever. But I guess it's a blessing he didn't show up, or anyone from TCW didn't show up - makes it easier to ignore those shit films.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 04:05:04 No.120099651 Report

Quoted By: >>120099978

>>120099545
Wait did Jar Jar appear in new canon?
>https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/768540/Star-Wars-news-Jar-Jar-Binks-fate-Aftermath-Empire-s-End-The-Phantom-Menace
>Jar Jar says: “Jar Jar makin some uh-oh mistakens. Desa hisen Naboo tink I help the uh-oh Empire.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 04:13:34 No.120099803 Report

Quoted By: >>120099934

>>120099626
>They had this false assumption as if people hate the prequels and everything related to them. It is so obvious.
They were focused on sequels.
>When they failed with pandering to the OT crowd
Why are you so prequel vs OT?
>And after the success of TCW, they bring back Temuera Morrison, and give all those nods to the PT in The Mandalorian.
Much like how TFA was a success and they annouced too much new stuff then cut back. The Mandalorian was a success so they are annoucing loads of new stuff. And who knows what it will end up as.

I honestly find your position strange, and forgive me if this is wrong, but it feels like you are one of these hardcore prequel defenders and you honestly think that Disney hate the prequels when they own it. I gave you legitimate business reasons as to why it happened. I don't agree with Disney. I don't like the sequels. But your position seems really weird.

This shit isn't necessarily pandering to prequels. It is following the money because The Mandalorian was a hit. Your narrative makes out that Disney hate the prequels. My narrative is literally trying to explain to you that they are a business. Of course they are going to try and make more money by doing loads of new shows and seeing what is popular. Season 2 of the Mandalorian was basically used as a litmus test. Ahsoka and the New Republic shit and Boba were backdoor pilots more or less (backdoor pilots are when a show will try and set up a spin off in itself). They are using the success of one thing to test and build upon the success of other things.

You know why? They are following the Marvel method. Ever wonder why Kevin Feige was given input? Ever wonder where Jon Favereau came from? The business narrative makes more sense than your weird: they hate the prequels but are now using them. They already owned them. They are a business lad.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 04:17:47 No.120099870 Report

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>>120099626
Anakin absolutely would not give a fuck and him even showing up as a voice in TROS was groan worthy. Dude didn't give a shit about the galaxy outside of his immediate inner circle and you think he's going to bother ripping himself from eternal force sex sessions with Padme to yell at a grandson he has never talked to to save a galaxy that hates his freaking guts.

The people that kept jerking themselves raw imagining Anakin force ghosting in to save the day are so fucking deluded and out of touch with who Anakin was. If there wasn't a ready made war for him to go on daily ass kicking sessions he would have fallen to the dark side like five years sooner because he needs an outlet for his ass kicking urges.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 04:22:10 No.120099934 Report

Quoted By: >>120100091 >>120100260

>>120099803
Why not do it since the beginning? Why antagonize a large portion of your consumers? They thought prequels wouldn't bring any money. They ignored them in favor of the OT aesthetics and pandering(I am sorry if you can't see it, it's not about OT vs PT or PT defense, it's just facts - look at their movies and all of their products). Why did they do it? They own them, they don't hate the prequels, okay. But they thought people hate them, 100%, and they ignored them, when they shouldn't have, they sacrificed franchise's integrity and continuity because of their poor decision making and market research. They seem very stupid, and they mishandled the franchise pretty badly. And I doubt it can be fixed.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 04:24:12 No.120099971 Report

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>>120099870
How about talking to Luke?

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 04:24:21 No.120099978 Report

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>>120099651
Wendig decided to give him a post OT life as a fucking street clown. It's best to ignore Wendig's shit unless it's like Vanth and ends up in something worth giving a shit about

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 04:31:18 No.120100091 Report

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>>120099934
>Why not do it since the beginning?
Lad.. I literally explained this: Contractually they make more money from sequel shit and that's what they wanted to focus on.
>Why antagonize a large portion of your consumers?
They didn't end TCW as a fuck you to fans. I explained it: you can't keep projects moving during an acquisition like this. It doesn't work. It is very complex.
>They ignored them in favor of the OT aesthetics and pandering
Like what? Rogue One and Solo? That means they just wanted the OT? The sequels had OT aesthetics because they were sequels. But it was dumb. I don't think setting everything in the Reign of the Empire between trilogies means they pander to one thing or anothing. It is just a time they spent developing because it is easier to them than doing KOTOR or stuff like that because people have more recognition of stuff.
>Why did they do it? They own them, they don't hate the prequels, okay. But they thought people hate them, 100%, and they ignored them, when they shouldn't have, they sacrificed franchise's integrity and continuity because of their poor decision making and market research.
I've explained this in other posts. Sequel stuff makes them more money because it is their original idea free from any and all obligation. But they fucked up the sequels. Now they have Kevin Feige and others. Now they have another hit. And they are using it to build off of it. Lad, we both hate Disney and the sequels. But where I am coming unstuck with you is that you have this weird view that Disney purposefully avoided the prequels when they didn't. They want MONEY and they tried to make MONEY but fucked it up with their decisions. Hence why they brought in Marvel guys to fix it. Hence why shows will build to crossovers on Disney +. Hence why they are doing all this other shit now. Bad decision making and bad business doesn't equal your narrative.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 04:43:45 No.120100260 Report

Quoted By: >>120100401

>>120099934
Disney sure was mean to prequel fans when they let Filoni actually finish season 6 of The Clone Wars and it was extra super mean of Disney to let Filoni turn Rebels into a TCW sequel so they could keep telling stories from the prequel era.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 04:49:18 No.120100356 Report

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>>120099971
Anakin really isn't a wise knowledge dispenser. I bet you at one point they wanted Anakin to show up but realized they had no clue what he'd say because showing up to give pep talks is absolutely not Anakin's thing, unless the pep talk ends with "lets go scrap some droids".

Just imagine Hayden Christensen showing up, looking younger than Luke, and trying to dispense some advice about not hating yourself or whatever. It'd look and sound ridiculous.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 04:52:05 No.120100401 Report

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>>120100260
Wow thanks, yidsney. How kind of you.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jan 2021 04:54:03 No.120100437 Report

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>>120099209
Zoomers weren't born yet, retard. Millennials were the ones that grew up with the PT and are now old enough to tell all the prequel hating genX grandpas to fuck off.

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