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ITT: Retcons nobody remembers but are still canon

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 10:37:35 2020 No.116677096 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>116677982 >>116678635 >>116679062 >>116679376 >>116679733 >>116682847

Black Widow defected to SHIELD because Nick Fury controlled her with the same Soviet pheromones the Red Room used.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 12:44:51 No.116677982 Report

Quoted By: >>116679733 >>116682745

>>116677096
And? Is that old hag now going "Fury bad!" for disarming and converting an enemy-agent to his side? Would that ugly rather have Black Widow lie in a ditch, dead?

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 13:55:45 No.116678635 Report

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>>116677096
The Punisher's family weren't killed by mobsters, but by demons who wanted Frank Castle to become the Punisher as part of some weird evil plan.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 13:58:50 No.116678662 Report

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I'm reminded of all those times that writers were hinting at Hulk x She-Hulk sex without realizing they were cousins (unlike Mark Millar, who did it explicitly because they were cousins)

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 14:19:23 No.116678875 Report

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>>116678662
I'm still keking at the cosmic forces that led to the same actors who were cast as the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver being cast as wife and husband in another movie just a year earlier.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 14:36:15 No.116679062 Report

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>>116677096
Phantom Stranger is Judas
Eric O’Grady is a Life Model Decoy
Black Cat has bad luck powers

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 15:01:33 No.116679376 Report

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>>116677096
He was a retcon that nobody remembered.
Then for some reason, everyone remembered him, and it was totally fine.

The biggest retcon is that he's a mentally ill psychopath who'll do anything you want. It's retarded that when people think of him, they think of the Bendis version rather than the Jenkins version.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 15:02:36 No.116679389 Report

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>>116679062
>Phantom Stranger is Judas
Is that really a retcon? I can't remember the specifics of it.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 15:04:01 No.116679398 Report

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>>116679376
Sentry should never have been added to the marvel universe proper, he should have been shelved after the one-shot story.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 15:05:57 No.116679420 Report

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>>116679398
I agree, but that's just not the reality of capeshit. He should've at least been treated with an inch of respect in his appearences though.

Remender, Lemire, Pak and Cates managed it well enough, but Bendis being put at the forefront allowed him to shape the character in ways that he'll probably never recover from. It's like talking about the Scarlet Witch without House of M.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 15:07:04 No.116679436 Report

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>>116679389
I think it’s going from ambiguity to outright confirming the character is the Christian figure who betrayed Jesus

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 15:08:12 No.116679448 Report

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>>116679436
Honestly, I preferred his Galactus origin story.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 15:27:24 No.116679625 Report

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>>116679420
>It's like talking about the Scarlet Witch without House of M.
And funnily enough, people who watch the movies don't even care about that story.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 15:29:34 No.116679648 Report

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>>116679625
Sure, but bringing MCU shit into a topic about comics isn't really relevent.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 15:36:34 No.116679733 Report

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>>116677982
>>116677096
...Have Fury and Natasha ever been implied to have had sex?

Because this does kind of carry some extra implications if they have, but I don't recall any off the top of my head.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 15:38:09 No.116679758 Report

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>>116678635

Why did you have to remind me of that bullshit.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 15:41:18 No.116679801 Report

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>>116679648
It's more a point that writers keep referencing something and basically reducing the character to that particular event and calling it a day. Movie prominence gives most characters some sort of protection against those cases but it doesn't work with the Scarlet Witch.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 15:45:33 No.116679866 Report

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>>116678635
>>116679758
Didn't Ennis write that?

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 17:05:59 No.116680918 Report

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Inhumans being the cause of mutations

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 17:13:07 No.116681026 Report

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>>116679866
I'm pretty sure that predates Ennis. You might be thinking of Born, which implied Frank made a deal with Death to survive Valley Forge.

or maybe that's just what he tells himself

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 17:16:52 No.116681076 Report

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>>116681026
I am thinking of Punisher Born, as that comic ends with the voice telling Frank there is a price and the price being his family

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 18:03:49 No.116681787 Report

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The Eternals near immortality and the majority of their powers come from an experiment gone wrong that Kronos was doing. The pretty much just got flight and some beams from the celestials

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 18:05:11 No.116681810 Report

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>>116679866
No, it was from the Angel Punisher series. In fact, Ennis' first arc came out right after that bullshit, and the opening issue had Frank briefly monologue about how he didn't like the angel thing because it just wasn't for him.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 18:59:25 No.116682745 Report

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>>116677982
>And? Is that old hag now going "Fury bad!" for disarming and converting an enemy-agent to his side?
Doing it via brainwashing is fucking wrong, and continuing to do it after the Cold War is over and the Soviet Union has fallen is even worse.
Peddle your alphabet agency Ends justify Means bullshit somewhere else.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 19:04:46 No.116682847 Report

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>>116677096
>Black Widow defected to SHIELD because Nick Fury controlled her with the same Soviet pheromones the Red Room used.
Black Widow also defected because she was a brainwashed Soviet sleeper agent sent to start WW3.
One of her minis in the 2000s retconned that she was never a ballerina, it was false memory implants, is that still canon?

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