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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 06:44:37 2020 No.116067177 View Reply Original Report

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>Original Order 66
>about the nature of dictatorships and how ideals are easily betrayed in times of war
>NuO66
>lmao they have fucking chips in their dicks or some shit I don't know nigga hahahaha look orange buttcheeks hahahaha nigga haaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 06:47:15 No.116067210 Report

Quoted By: >>116067426 >>116067922 >>116070086 >>116070109 >>116076370

>>116067177
>That Battlefront 2 narration about how none of the clones can look Ki-Adi-Mundi in the eyes because they know what's coming

Fuck.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:10:46 No.116067407 Report

Quoted By: >>116067460 >>116067474 >>116067514 >>116067634 >>116067747 >>116067763 >>116067947 >>116076203

>>116067177
>Some fuckin scrotum with a face calls me up in the middle of an intense battle
>Ugly sonuvabitch is on the comms line designed exclusively for the office of the Chancellor, but he doesn't look or sound anything like the damn Chancellor
>He's ordering me to shoot my own General in the back with zero warning or reasoning
>This particular Jedi happens to be defending ten men, including myself, against a barrage of enemy fire, and also happens to be my best friend
You really expect them to go "Yeah why not" in response to that shit? Not to mention the fact that there are untold millions, maybe even billions of Clones out there, many of them being very close to their Jedi, and apparently not a single one of them mentioned that "Oh yeah we could kill you at any given moment"?
Fuck that. There's a reason why those chips are in and make sense. Palps isn't the sort to take chances.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:12:46 No.116067426 Report

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>>116067210
It was Aayla Secura you baka ass motherfucker

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:16:13 No.116067460 Report

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>>116067407
this

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:17:18 No.116067467 Report

Quoted By: >>116076097

Post droids

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:18:02 No.116067474 Report

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>>116067407
I remember reading something about how a bunch of clones resented the Jedi since most of them didn't know shit about commanding troops or strategizing for battle and kept getting a bunch of clones killed through their incompetence

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:20:46 No.116067503 Report

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>>116067474
That would have been a good explanation, it honestly makes no sense how the Jedi are easily named commanders and generals for the war when all their lives they were taught to be peace loving diplomats.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:21:39 No.116067514 Report

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>>116067407

The problem started when they gave clones 'personality' in nu cw. Back then the old explanation worked because clones were depicted as cold blooded killing machines since Thrawn Trilogy. Chip thingy was needed because now clones are depicted humane.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:31:09 No.116067601 Report

Quoted By: >>116071654

Still superior to any CW content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWOq1Tg-Jdw
>>116067514
But it's false.
Plenty of clonew were given personality before chips.
Chips sound like borring plot-device, and turned elegant design of Palpatine plan into clusmy and fragile

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:33:43 No.116067625 Report

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>>116067177
Fact: There are no valid arguments against the chips that aren't autistic whining

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:34:02 No.116067631 Report

Quoted By: >>116068301 >>116076593

>>116067503
They're still warrior monks with super powers that made them powerful fighters and keen strategists.
>>116067514
Even then the Prequels treated them as people worth saving for Anakin. Though that could just be George trying to force a heroic moment for Anakin to play up the idea he's a good guy.
But Star Wars has it so even Droids have personalities and even wants. Clones are just humans who happen to be bred for war.
A "kill em' all" chip takes away their agency, but leaving them completely inhuman makes just as little sense in a world where even the manufactured robots created to be slaves can't be stopped from having sentience.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:34:17 No.116067634 Report

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>>116067407
>You really expect them to go "Yeah why not" in response to that shit?
There's an entire lifetime of conditioning that makes them hear "Jump" from Palps and their sole question is "How High?"

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:35:33 No.116067646 Report

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>>116067625
1) Chips could easily be detected on medical examination
2) It's killed cool moment.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:36:15 No.116067656 Report

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>>116067646
Medical examinations by whom?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:37:34 No.116067671 Report

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>>116067656
By any medical centre which wasn't under direct control of Palpatine.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:42:43 No.116067723 Report

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>>116067646
>1) Chips could easily be detected on medical examination
Incorrect. It took a trained force user using the force to help the technology detect it

>2) It's killed cool moment.
In English, please?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:44:27 No.116067744 Report

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>>116067671
>Manages to clone a whole army under the galaxy's nose without getting caught
>Can't just pass off brainwash chip as some other cybernetic enhancement that they already have
>>116067723
He thinks it's cooler if the clones were all just perfectly conditioned I guess.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:44:29 No.116067747 Report

Quoted By: >>116069888

>>116067407
>You really expect them to go "Yeah why not" in response to that shit?
Yep because Jedi aren't part of Republican chain of command, their command rights were given to them by Republic and were temporary.
And as someone who served in military, let me tell you, soldiers hate such people.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:44:45 No.116067751 Report

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>>116067426
Wait, yeah. Shit. Still a killer line.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:45:48 No.116067763 Report

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>>116067407
I always figured they were just indoctrinated as kids to obey that order. Like in Bioshock.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:47:28 No.116067773 Report

Quoted By: >>116067860

>>116067723
>Incorrect
Ever heard about tomography?
>In English, please?
I already said this idea killed cool moment of execution oreder 66. My dear amerimutt friend.
>>116067744
>>Can't just pass off brainwash chip as some other cybernetic enhancement that they already have
But they don't have any cybernetic enhancement and series with cheaps says pretty clear that chip looks completely out of place

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:49:12 No.116067795 Report

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>”What I remember about the rise of the Empire is... is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Clone Wars, the 501st Legion was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant. It was a silent trip. We all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts? Any private, traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi Temple. Not a word”
-Excerpt from the 501st War Journal

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:52:07 No.116067830 Report

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>>116067795
The 501st were real ones.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:52:20 No.116067835 Report

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>>116067763
You don't even need some special techniques for this

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:54:52 No.116067856 Report

Quoted By: >>116067873

>>116067835
I mean, in the EU they were drilled with hundreds of specific orders, iirc. Order 66 was literally the 66th contingency for the war, with others being locking down theSenate, removing the Supreme Chancellor, hell I think one was for a Base Delta Zero on Coruscant

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:55:39 No.116067860 Report

Quoted By: >>116067872 >>116067898

>>116067773
>Ever heard about tomography?
Yes. Ever watch the show? They literally display that the machine is unable to find the biochip on Rex's brain until Ahsoka uses the force.

>I already said this idea killed cool moment of execution oreder 66. My dear amerimutt friend.
There you go again, misspelling and forgetting words. So it's pretty rich to insult me, you ESL. If you want, I'll give you one more chance to try and communicate your point.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:56:36 No.116067866 Report

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>>116067830
They got fucked raw and hard. It changes people

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:57:03 No.116067872 Report

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>>116067860
I don't even disagree with you, but goddamn are you a dick anon

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:57:19 No.116067873 Report

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>>116067856
>I mean, in the EU they were drilled with hundreds of specific orders
1) EU doesn't have actual military
2) Any modern day army have numbers of special orders for Force Majeure situations.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:58:19 No.116067883 Report

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>>116067866
Those digits speak truth.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:59:30 No.116067895 Report

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>>116067873

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:59:48 No.116067896 Report

Quoted By: >>116067908

>>116067873
The EU as in the Star Wars Expanded Universe, the old canon before Disney shit it up. Not the European Union, which to my knowledge does not have Coruscant.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 07:59:59 No.116067897 Report

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>>116067872
>complaining about an anon being "a dick"
>on 4chan, where people are regularly called faggots and racial slurs and what-not, and have been pretty much since the site's inception

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:00:00 No.116067898 Report

Quoted By: >>116067962

>>116067860
>Yes. Ever watch the show?
>amerimutt thinks that I was talking about MRI
Ffs, any autopsy will give hard proofs.
>So it's pretty rich to insult me, you ESL.
Nothing will commit more insult to your than your parents decision to mutilate your dick when you was born.
>If you want, I'll give you one more chance to try and communicate your point.
Something tells me you already got my point, Filloni.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:01:03 No.116067908 Report

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>>116067896
>The EU as in the Star Wars Expanded Universe,
WHOOOPS My bad.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:01:58 No.116067922 Report

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>>116067210
>>116067426

They'd have to look up to do that though.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:04:42 No.116067947 Report

Quoted By: >>116068014

>>116067407
>We modified their genetic structure to make them less independent than the original host. As a result they are totally obedient, taking any order without question.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:06:09 No.116067962 Report

Quoted By: >>116068017

>>116067898
>Ffs, any autopsy will give hard proofs.
Hard proof of something that just looks like normal tissue?

>Nothing will commit more insult to your than your parents decision to mutilate your dick when you was born.
Irrelevant and inaccurate, my parents aren't kikes nor are they influenced by the kike agenda

>Something tells me you already got my point
I can make assumptions, but due to your complete lack of a grasp on the English language I cannot say for sure that I accurately understand your point.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:08:15 No.116067980 Report

Quoted By: >>116068033 >>116068037

>>116067177
>I’m just going to murder these warriors my brothers and I have been fighting tooth and nail with for years in cold blood because the chancellor said so even though he gave absolutely no reason for us to do so and we will never question this order in any capacity, nope, not even a single one of us
Much like literally everything else in the prequels, this makes absolutely no sense when you think about it for more than 5 seconds, yet nostalgia faggots like you still defend this garbage because muh didney bad :(((((((

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:10:43 No.116068014 Report

Quoted By: >>116068032 >>116068790 >>116069244 >>116074188

>>116067947
Which we now know is referring to the behavioral modification biochip.

>Fives: "The evidence is in here. It's—it's in here. It's in all of us, every clone."
>Rex: "What is it?"
>Fives: "Organic chips built into our genetic code to make us do whatever someone wants, even kill the Jedi. It's all in here."

Reminder that the Kaminoans also say

>"Clones can think creatively. You will find that they are immensely superior to droids."

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:10:54 No.116068017 Report

Quoted By: >>116068044

>>116067962
>Hard proof of something that just looks like normal tissue?
>normal tissue
>cybernetic implant
Okay
>my parents aren't kikes
And..? 40% of non-jewish americans mutilates their children's genitals for "medical reasons".
>are they influenced by the kike agenda
>says a guy who defends Disney
Okaaaaaaay.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:11:57 No.116068032 Report

Quoted By: >>116068052

>>116068014
>Reminder that the Kaminoans also say
>>"Clones can think creatively. You will find that they are immensely superior to droids."
And.. is that supposed to be contradiction to previous quote?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:11:59 No.116068033 Report

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>>116067980
Literally look two posts up, chump

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:12:51 No.116068037 Report

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>>116067980
The fuck are you talking about, it was filled with exceptions and people turning back. Sometimes many people would go against Orders to save their Jedi and give them a fighting chance. That’s the point, it gives the clones a freedom of choice instead of reducing them to mindless automatons like the droids

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:13:33 No.116068044 Report

Quoted By: >>116068051

>>116068017
>normal tissue
>cybernetic implant
>Okay
Leave it up to the ESL to not even watch the show. The chips are biological in nature, not robotic. They look like normal tissue.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:14:27 No.116068051 Report

Quoted By: >>116068062 >>116078236

>>116068044
>Leave it up to the ESL to not even watch the show.
Do you really think any of this are insult, amerimutt?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:14:35 No.116068052 Report

Quoted By: >>116068163 >>116068167

>>116068032
>And.. is that supposed to be contradiction to previous quote?
It is. How can clones both think creatively(and be superior to programmable battle droids) when at the same time they supposedly "follow orders without question"

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:15:40 No.116068062 Report

Quoted By: >>116068163

>>116068051
>Do you really think any of this are insult, amerimutt?
It's clearly rustling your jimmies, so yes. Tell me, who taught you English? Because they did a shit job.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:25:30 No.116068163 Report

Quoted By: >>116068247

>>116068052
>How can clones both think creatively(and be superior to programmable battle droids) when at the same time they supposedly "follow orders without question"
Take order without question, find a creative way to accomplish it, without requiring certain algoritms for single action.
>>116068062
>It's clearly rustling your jimmies, so yes.
Is it? It's you who rabidly defends Dysney show.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:25:51 No.116068167 Report

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>>116068052
They can think creatively between taking orders. And possibly even follow orders in a creative fashion.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:34:37 No.116068247 Report

Quoted By: >>116068255

>>116068163
You are so fucking retarded, I bet your parents are siblings.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:35:52 No.116068255 Report

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>>116068247
>You are so fucking retarded
>Says an amerimutt
Lol.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:42:20 No.116068301 Report

Quoted By: >>116068355 >>116068405 >>116069049

>>116067631
I think the issue here stems from how oddly quick the films skim over the fact that the Jedi are employing what is essentially a mass-produced slave army. It's weird to me that there's no debate in the Jedi order about using clones. Shouldn't that be some sort of sacrilege to the jedi? Mass producing humans for war?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:43:13 No.116068309 Report

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So which was more inefficient:
Manufacturing a droid army, or growing a clone army?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:45:06 No.116068323 Report

Quoted By: >>116068889 >>116069023

So which is the least efficient:
Droid army or clone army?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:45:37 No.116068329 Report

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>>116067177
It fucking boggles my mind that Filonifags will unironically defend this stupid change. I get that they think the series is the greatest thing ever made but come on, this was an objectively stupid retcon done solely so the clones people had watched for seasons could remain the good guys. It took all fucking nuance or depth out of it for typical Filoni husbando faggotry.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:49:07 No.116068355 Report

Quoted By: >>116068406 >>116076672 >>116078280

>>116068301
It's not like they had much of an option. That's the whole point of the Clone Wars. Cloud the Force with war on thousands of worlds. Separate the scattered Jedi across the the galaxy. And then, at the right moment, execute them.

It was a masterstroke.

The culmination of four thousand years of Sith planning. The ultimate end of Revan's rule of two.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:51:00 No.116068370 Report

Quoted By: >>116068842

>>116067177
One of the big themes of Clone Wars was that the clones were victims of the war too. They were intelligent beings thrown to the meatgrinder, but they knew that was the only reason they were ever born. Then right at the end of the war they robbed of what little agency they had, turned against the people who'd fought beside them and shown them compassion so often, and then cast aside by the new order who no longer had need of them. They'd spent the whole war convincing themselves they weren't just tools, but in the end that's exactly what they were.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:54:39 No.116068397 Report

Quoted By: >>116068477

is there a watch list for clone wars that gets rid of filler episodes?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:55:26 No.116068405 Report

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>>116068301
Seems to me like it was normalized in GFFA, considering how Dex described Kamino making huge cash on their cloning.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 08:55:33 No.116068406 Report

Quoted By: >>116068486 >>116068842

>>116068355
It makes sense there's no choice for the Republic, they need a standing army yesterday. But then the next movie, they fought a whole fucking war, and it seems like nobody even looked into who actually ordered this army of slaves.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 09:04:52 No.116068477 Report

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>>116068397
Yes but to see it you must commit seppuku

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 09:05:41 No.116068486 Report

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>>116068406
Ots almost like the Republics head of state set this up or something

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 09:50:18 No.116068790 Report

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>>116068014
>Which we now know is referring to the behavioral modification biochip.

So then why is it such a big secret in the show, if the Kamino PM was all just like "We modified their genetic structure (and put biochips in them)..." to Obi?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 09:55:50 No.116068842 Report

Quoted By: >>116070228

>>116068370
And here comes the soiboi

>>116068406
Clone Army popped out in the right moment, when jedi had no time for investigation

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 09:59:27 No.116068873 Report

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>>116067177
The chips are almost insulting in how much they just throw away the ambiguity of the whole situation. In the old EU, you had clones who had refused the order because of their own free will, and most knew it was fucked up but did it anyway because it was their purpose. That is now out of the window because it's fucking impossible for a clone to NOT kill a Jedi once the order comes down because of magic brain fuckery.

For the most part I really like TCW, but that's probably the worst retcon of them all. It's like "Hal Jordan did nothing wrong, Parallax is a space bug" level.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 10:00:53 No.116068889 Report

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>>116068323
Droid army, but ONLY because of plot contrivances and favoritism.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 10:01:57 No.116068899 Report

Quoted By: >>116068917 >>116068929

Why didn't Palpatine use the force to make them kill the Jedi?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 10:03:28 No.116068917 Report

Quoted By: >>116068929

>>116068899
Why didn't Palpatine use the Force to make the Jedi kill themselves?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 10:04:21 No.116068929 Report

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>>116068899
>>116068917
Mind tricks are a Jedi skill

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 10:12:38 No.116069023 Report

Quoted By: >>116070017

>>116068323
never liked Droid army or clone army? gave me an enlisted army any day of the week..but if i have to pick one, Droid army easy to replace and cab be built anywhere.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 10:14:50 No.116069049 Report

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>>116068301
Why not just create another droid army?
I know there's this whole dichotomy (a false one btw) between both armies and the conflict's name needed an explation, but in-universe there's no reason as to why the Jedi accepted the Clone Army without any kind of questioning.
Would have been better if the mass production of human soldiers had been a thing going on for a while in the Republic.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 10:33:27 No.116069244 Report

Quoted By: >>116069763

>>116068014
>"Organic chips built into our genetic code".
I know Star Wars is nowhere near being hard scien fiction but Jesus Christ...

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 10:44:18 No.116069362 Report

Quoted By: >>116070003

In the end, the clones were just dumb fleshy robots, and should be treated as such.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 11:32:19 No.116069763 Report

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>>116069244
Fagloni obviously watched eXistenz the day before.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 11:49:26 No.116069888 Report

Quoted By: >>116070013

>>116067747
Jedi aren't office workers sitting away from battles while giving orders though, they're right in the middle of combat right alongside the clones. I can't see that attitude prospering in an environment like that.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:01:24 No.116069984 Report

Quoted By: >>116070287 >>116076324

Order 66 was always a massively contrived reason for the Jedi to stop existing post-sequels to me anyway. It felt like George suddenly went "oh fuck, I've still got to get rid of the Jedi" after three movies of faffing about and decided the best course of actions was to have the armies of telekinetic super-soldiers with the ability to destroy entire armies of droids single-handily get gunned down by groups of 10 dude in back alleys across the galaxy.
Chips or no chips, there were a plethora of ways the destruction of the Jedi could've been handled better than just a random asspull killswitch in his clones that manages to take out 75% of his main opposing force.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:04:03 No.116070003 Report

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>>116069362
That’s why the clone wars had no stakes, because the clones aren’t treated as people

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:05:06 No.116070013 Report

Quoted By: >>116070020

>>116069888
>I can't see that attitude prospering in an environment like that.
Oh easily especially even post-Disney canon stated pretty clear, that not all jedi treated to the clones well.
Also, Jedi didn't waged war for 2 thousands years, so it will be fair to assume they weren't great in command in general. None likes taking orders from diletant

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:05:47 No.116070017 Report

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>>116069023
t. Rahm Kota

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:06:08 No.116070020 Report

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>>116070013
>Also, Jedi didn't waged war for 2 thousands years, so it will be fair to assume they weren't great in command in general. None likes taking orders from dilettante
fix

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:12:57 No.116070086 Report

Quoted By: >>116070109

>>116067210
Kino shit.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:15:31 No.116070109 Report

Quoted By: >>116076368 >>116077103

>>116070086
>>116067210
>”When the 501st was finally rotated out of Felucia, Aayla Secura made a point of seeing us off personally, calling us the bravest soldiers she had ever seen. It's a good thing we were wearing helmets, because none of us could bear to look her in the eye."
-Excerpt from the 501st War Journal

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:15:39 No.116070110 Report

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Anyone got that "Plo's Bros" translation on the side of Plo-Koon's gunship?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:21:54 No.116070158 Report

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>>116067177
>New Order 66 is about how people are willing to cut off and practically kill anyone they disagree with politically, even if those people are some of your closest friends / family.
There. A modern re-contextualization of Episode 3.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:22:31 No.116070166 Report

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:29:54 No.116070228 Report

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>>116068842
They couldn't spare a simple cadre of competent Jedi to try and investigate better than "this army of clones of a man hired to murder a prominent politician sure is fishy, uh oh War were Declared"

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:30:11 No.116070230 Report

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>>116067177

It doesn't matter. Once the Clones were revealed to on the Republic/Jedi side. It all became stupid shit anyway.

>Obi described as a vet of Clone Wars
>Jedi can sense emotion and thoughts
>Old EU full of clones being used for evil, vats hidden as Imperial stockpiles
>Phantom Menace "Maybe droid army is the trial run for clones because they suck"
>Attack of the Clones "oh boy, violence and war, Jedi vs Clones!"
>Nope "just continuing the suck but hey Ewan is doing his best to carry these."

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:39:33 No.116070283 Report

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>>116070230
This is the truth, why the fuck didn’t they have the clones be the evil fuckers and have the Jedi be up against them with the Galatic Army of the Republic?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:40:15 No.116070287 Report

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>>116069984
Vader felt nerfed. The 3rd movie should have been him hunting down powerful Jedi like a horror monster.

The second movie should have been the fall towards Vader.

The first should have been the Clone Wars/his training outside supernatural piloting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 12:54:00 No.116070382 Report

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>>116070230
>>116070283
>Palpatine and Count Dooku stoke fires of independence within outer rim for years, with Palpy supplying them with secret Sith cloning technology to develop army in secret
>CIS rebels and goes to war with Republic, Jedi Order must fight against innumerable, easily replenishable clone armies, slowly whittling down their numbers over the years through attrition and Palpatine orchestrating the conflict to ensure the Jedi forces are thrown into the meat grinder again and again
>All the while, he's slowly grooming a disenfranchised Anakin and stoking him to use the darker side of the force, transforming him into his loyal servant
>War ends, Jedi numbers plus their political power has been all but eviscerated by Palpatine's actions. Palpatine becomes Emperor, outlaws the Jedi and sends Vader to hunt the rest down with the Inquisition.
>Annexed CIS clone army and Republic grand army are merged together to form the Stormtrooper Corps, representing how both sides were expertly puppeteered by Darth Sideous and are now unquestionably under his control now.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 13:03:17 No.116070469 Report

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>>116067873
You fucking moron

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 15:02:56 No.116071591 Report

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>>116067177
>Original Order 66
You mean shit out of old EU, by writers like Karen Travis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 15:04:26 No.116071608 Report

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>>116067177
>puts TCW image on top implying it represent "original" Order 66
>puts actual movie scenes on bottom, making it look like represent "new" Order 66

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 15:07:34 No.116071654 Report

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>>116067601
>elegant design of Palpatine plan
Refying on solders to willingly, without stop or restrains to kill their commanding officers. Sure, elegant plan without any weak points

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 15:09:21 No.116071678 Report

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>>116067646
> Chips could easily be detected on medical examination
Only when you look at them specifically and only people who regularly check Clones health and in conspiracy
>It's killed cool moment.
It's your shit opinion, so it do not matter

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 15:14:01 No.116071736 Report

Quoted By: >>116076851

>Filonikiddos trying to rationalize the biochips into being some sort of literary genius move from Dave's part when it's just a bad writer making another case "dey dindu nuffin" for his precious OCs

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 16:13:16 No.116072379 Report

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>>116067177
Even the most loyal and subservient man could rebel as long as they have free will. So if you have the means to be absolutely certain that they will not, why not take them?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 16:24:06 No.116072509 Report

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This entire thread is retarded, it's two flawed but pretty great takes on what exactly happens to take the entire jedi order down. Both sides have their flaws, but they're both pretty effective explanations for what is such a monumental shift.

>Old is great because it highlights the corrupting nature of war
>Is flawed because Jedi as a whole treated the clones pretty well, and were essentially the ideal frontline officers from the perspective of the clones
>Is also flawed because any soldier worth a damn would question an order to kill their commanding officers that came out the blue

>New is great because it highlights how the clones free will is basically overriden, with their firing becoming less accurate in many cases, hesitations in between taking stances, slight resistances
>Flawed because it removes some nuance from the entire corruption of war message
>Also removes some very good stories of clones who saw these orders for the bullshit that they were, and trying to figure out what the hell happened

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 18:14:28 No.116074019 Report

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>>116067474
Was this one of Karen Traviss's Mando Wank novels?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 18:26:08 No.116074188 Report

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>>116068014
>biochips
>genetic structure
Maybe you should spend more time reading and less time watching cartoons. Then you would at least be able to see through contrived plot holes in your shitty Togruta waifu simulator show.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 19:15:14 No.116075059 Report

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>>116067177
>never watched Clone Wars while George was still in charge
Faggot

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 19:16:29 No.116075080 Report

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>>116075059
It's shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 20:01:20 No.116075870 Report

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>>116067474
lol that sounds like Karen Traviss, she was fucking awful at almost everything

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 20:04:10 No.116075916 Report

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>>116067646
>1) Chips could easily be detected on medical examination

Wouldn't a lot of the medics be clones themselves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 20:14:19 No.116076071 Report

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Makes more sense if the clones are loyal sex slaves. Would be silly not to consider they can bond with others or spill the beans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 20:16:05 No.116076097 Report

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>>116067467
Droids are stupid!

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 20:22:22 No.116076203 Report

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>>116067407
Read the fucking novelization. Palpatine used an exclusive channel to address some clone commanders before relaying the order around. The clones commanders checked the orders. Also he was wearing a hood, the order 66 covered rebellion and Palpatine claimed that he was a victim of a jedi attack.
The only issue i have was how it was delivered in the movie
>the time has come, execute order 66
>yes my Lord
>it will be done my Lord
That makes all sounding like the clones were part of a conspiracy instead of being cold soldiers executing a contingent order. Palpatine shouldn't have said "the time has come", neither the clones used "Lord".

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 20:30:06 No.116076324 Report

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>>116069984
Yes, the original trilogy always give the vibe that the jedi were killed in a years long purge by the Empire and Vader.
To me the prequels should be based around the original Clone Wars, the "clone masters" against the republic. Anakin was an ace pilot that was encountered by Obi Wan in the war, trained as a young adult, seduced by Palpatine, betrayed the jedi and etc etc. Makes more sense and doesn't contradict the original movies.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 20:31:29 No.116076343 Report

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>>116076203

yeah i thought it was like a Manchurian Candidate thing for the clones because of how the movie showed it

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 20:33:22 No.116076368 Report

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>>116070109
>It's a good thing we were wearing helmets, because none of us could bear to look her in the eye
Hold me lads

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 20:33:32 No.116076370 Report

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>>116067210
Doesn't that contradict the new canon?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 20:42:16 No.116076509 Report

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>>116076370
anon old bf2 was never part of nucanon to begin with

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 20:48:00 No.116076593 Report

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>>116067631
>with super powers that made them
>powerful fighters
Yes
>and keen strategists.
Fuck no they could fight one Vs one or against a horde of opponents but they weren't aren't the type to be good at commanding armies using conventional weapons.
The EU hammered that in by introducing Revan who was noteworthy for being an excellent strategist.
Warrior Monks they maybe but Magic Warrior Monks if they're commanding armies that don't use the force then a lot of their training is non applicable

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 20:48:42 No.116076607 Report

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Only fags hate the chips.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 20:52:28 No.116076672 Report

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>>116068355
>Revan's rule of two
Darth Bane invented the Rule of Two though he did study Revans Sith Holocron

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 20:55:27 No.116076723 Report

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Star wars is a series for children.

Having a conspiracy among the clones were they prepared for order 66 and had to scheme and remove loose end and whistle blowers is a 1000% cooler and more complex story element then "Remove-free-will switches" in their brains. But, it would take too much story time and we got laser fights n shit to get to, so let's keep it at a 8 year old level of understanding here guys.

If you want anything above an adult coloring book, find it somewhere else. Star wars do not strive for being more then that. And that is Ok

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 21:02:46 No.116076851 Report

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>>116071736
Weren't the chips created by George Lucas's daughter?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 21:18:22 No.116077103 Report

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>>116070109
D:

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 22:20:20 No.116078148 Report

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>>116067177
Wait I always thought the Clones were programmed to follow Order 66 like slaves? The way the Captain said “yes, my lord” implies so.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 22:24:09 No.116078218 Report

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>>116067646
>1) Chips could easily be detected on medical examination
You mean the medical examinations that would be done by clones

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 22:25:19 No.116078236 Report

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>>116068051
I doubt you would even understand when someone was insulting you

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 22:27:39 No.116078280 Report

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>>116068355
>The ultimate end of Revan's rule of two.
You dumb piece of shit

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 22:36:15 No.116078428 Report

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Honestly whats the point of debating this anymore?
Its just a never ending cycle of both sides claiming the other is wrong
We have bigger issues to settle, and we can all agree we love the clone wars era
But I feel the era, and most of the characters within it are now sidelined for just more ahsokawank/maulwank/rexwank

Almost everywhere I go, any clone wars discussion is about them
I just want to discuss the good times we had with the era, and about characters better than the 3 above
Its all now filled with normies taking about the same shit who claim to have always been fans of it yet have only watched season 7

Its tiresome anons, I just want more stories with the clone wars characters I love, not more stories with the same 3 characters over and over

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 22:42:45 No.116078537 Report

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>>116078428
It's funny, because none of those three ever belonged to the era until the introduction of TCW.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 23:08:07 No.116078935 Report

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I never watch the retarded cartoon but I always assumed that order 66 was something program in the clones....

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