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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 20:25:10 2020 No.116040196 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>116040232 >>116040280 >>116040285 >>116040396 >>116040481 >>116040505 >>116040630 >>116041944

Is there anything lazier than just tweaking old mythology for your own fiction? Hell Marvel's Thor isn't even ginger like he's supposed to be!

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:28:37 No.116040232 Report

Quoted By: >>116040275

>>116040196
>Hell Marvel's Thor isn't even ginger like he's supposed to be!
The only source we have of Thor being ginger is some writings made by CHRISTIANS that, as we know well, thought ginger was a synonym to savage and dangerous and either wanted to denigrate Thor's image or just appropriating it with someof their stereotypes.
So thinking Thor was a ginger is an unofficial interpretation like other norse mythologies interpretations.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:30:46 No.116040262 Report

Quoted By: >>116040286

Marvel's Thor was created by two working class New Yorkers working on a deadline in the 1960s. I'm not sure what information on Norse mythology would have even been readily available to them, and am frankly amazed that he even has a hammer.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:31:30 No.116040275 Report

Quoted By: >>116040313

>>116040232
Isn't the problem with Norse mythology that a lot of it wasn't written down, or had conflicting details?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:32:00 No.116040280 Report

Quoted By: >>116040298

>>116040196
>Is there anything lazier than just tweaking old mythology for your own fiction?
I guess Superman is a lazy character because he is Space Moses?

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:32:22 No.116040285 Report

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>>116040196
There are German gingers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:32:33 No.116040286 Report

Quoted By: >>116040327 >>116040449 >>116040511 >>116040586

>>116040262
>I'm not sure what information on Norse mythology would have even been readily available to them, and am frankly amazed that he even has a hammer.
You see anon there were these places called "Libraries", places filled with books on various subjects you could take home for a period of time. Crazy I know.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:33:34 No.116040298 Report

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>>116040280
The difference is that he's not literally Moses, unless Moses was from space and could kill Pharaohs with heat vision

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:35:04 No.116040313 Report

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>>116040275
>Isn't the problem with Norse mythology that a lot of it wasn't written down, or had conflicting details?
Yes, that's the point.
The only sources we have are either scripts made from christians voyagers or just folktales and symbols.
We know Thor had an hammer.
His hairs?
He could have been blonde and he could have been ginger as he could have been brown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:36:03 No.116040327 Report

Quoted By: >>116040434 >>116040540

>>116040286
The sad part is most children growing up today really wouldn't have any concept of libraries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:38:45 No.116040373 Report

Quoted By: >>116040409

>>116040298
>The difference is that he's not literally Moses, unless Moses was from space and could kill Pharaohs with heat vision
He is space moses.
Space Moses can heat vision

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:40:06 No.116040396 Report

Quoted By: >>116040409 >>116040411

>>116040196
So this is like the tenth thread shitting on Thor in the last three days. Someone really has a bug up their ass about him lately.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:41:06 No.116040409 Report

Quoted By: >>116040453 >>116040483

>>116040373
But he's not literally Moses. See my point? One has thematic likeness, where the other (Thor) is literally a public domain character tweaked to fit into Marvel comics.
>>116040396
>We can shitpost about Superman and other shit endlessly but suddenly Thor is off limits.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:41:11 No.116040411 Report

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>>116040396
Obviously its a seething superfag. Notice how there is always an anti-Thor thread when there is an anti-Superman thread.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:42:18 No.116040421 Report

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some sources say Thor is of fair hair some take that as to mean blonde or at least light hair that it can either swing to blond or red

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:43:25 No.116040434 Report

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>>116040327
Want me to fetch you some pokemon creatures pops?

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:43:50 No.116040438 Report

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>>116040411
>Notice how there's one thread criticizing Thor when there are 3 or 4 anti-Superman shitpost threads up
FTFY

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:44:27 No.116040449 Report

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>>116040286
That didn't help them when creating Porcupine, a C-list villain that shoots needles because they believed real porcupines do that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:44:45 No.116040453 Report

Quoted By: >>116040477

>>116040409
>But he's not literally Moses. See my point? One has thematic likeness
That likeness is being a reference, so a Space Moses.
>where the other (Thor) is literally a public domain character tweaked to fit into Marvel comics.
He was made in a time where ancient astronauts/aliens stories were liked by the public, he is a revamp of a myth

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:46:11 No.116040477 Report

Quoted By: >>116040610

>>116040453
>Thorfag desperate to validate Stan and Kirby's laziness
Love how you can't tell the difference between being inspired by ideas/concepts and straight up plagiarism

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:46:17 No.116040481 Report

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>>116040196
>Is there anything lazier than just tweaking old mythology for your own fiction?
That's how mythology is formed in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:46:24 No.116040483 Report

Quoted By: >>116040605

>>116040409
Didnt mention superman, nice projecting. Didn't even criticize the thread, just pointing out a weird pattern.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:47:46 No.116040505 Report

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>>116040196
21 replies 9 posters, the op is responding to every message

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:48:24 No.116040511 Report

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>>116040286
I don't think you understand the production schedule of these books or the amount of them these dudes were producing. Guys like Toth and Kurtzman who actually researched their shit were actually disencouraged about it, most artists and writers had reference folders with whatever pictures or textual information they came across something and would use whatever was at hand. It's one of the reasons Kirby was such a beast, he could simply come up with shit on the spot, needing very little reference (which comes at the "cost" of everything he draws coming off as very kirbyesque, which isn't a bad thing in itself, but kinda impairs any attempt at naturalism, which wasn't what he was going for anyway)

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:49:52 No.116040540 Report

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>>116040327
Schools have libraries.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:52:20 No.116040586 Report

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>>116040286
And I think you ignored the "on a deadline", which for Stan and Jack meant something like 50% of all Marvel titles.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:53:29 No.116040605 Report

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>>116040483
I don't know if it's someone butthurt or just falseflagging

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:53:51 No.116040610 Report

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>>116040477
>Love how you can't tell the difference between being inspired by ideas/concepts and straight up plagiarism
Did you even read? Marvel Thor was made as a revamp of the Myth Thor.
He was made in a time where aliens as gods concepts were popularized by both Lovecraft and the UFO theories.
Kibry and Lee made it as a revamp, not as an historical document

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:55:04 No.116040630 Report

Quoted By: >>116040661 >>116040701

>>116040196
Thor being nothing like the mythology is not a big deal.

The problem is how shallow, repetitive and non interesting he is, Thor got absolutely no consistent character traits besides "reeeeeeee I can't lift this fucking hammer" or "bawwwwww my family is being mean", he's sometimes similar to Superman holding back and being nice to his enemies and in other stories he's a brutal and merciless warrior brutally attacking enemies without giving a tiny fuck, he's sometimes the serious business guy and sometimes the goofy fish out of water comic relief, he's simply not consistent at all.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:55:33 No.116040640 Report

Quoted By: >>116040659 >>116040711

>>116040610
>revamp
So plagarize. It's not really accurate, its just "hey lets just use a public domain character and use the concepts for a superhero book". It's why DC has so many Alice in Wonderland characters.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:56:58 No.116040659 Report

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>>116040640
>It's why DC has so many Alice in Wonderland characters.
What?

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:57:02 No.116040661 Report

Quoted By: >>116040686

>>116040630
>"reeeeeeee I can't lift this fucking hammer" or "bawwwwww my family is being mean"
That was 2010.
Current Thor stories deal with his heroism, he has been without hammer for years and they only gave him back for reboot reasons

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:58:18 No.116040686 Report

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>>116040661
He didn't get his hammer back until after SW, there was no reboot involved.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:59:20 No.116040701 Report

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>>116040630
If you want consistency, don't read Big2 capeshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 20:59:53 No.116040711 Report

Quoted By: >>116040740

>>116040640
>So plagarize. It's not really accurate, its just "hey lets just use a public domain character and use the concepts for a superhero book".
Plagiarizing and using a public domain character can't be together in the sentence.
They used Thor, the public domain character, but they didn't plagiarize Thor.
>It's why DC has so many Alice in Wonderland characters.
The Mad Hatter and the Tweedledee and Tweedledum are suppsed to be fans of the original book

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:00:50 No.116040725 Report

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>>116040659
DC has Mad Hatter, The Tweedles, and the entire Wonderland Gang. It's just easy to pull from

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:00:53 No.116040726 Report

Quoted By: >>116040745

>>116040686
Thor did get back Mjolnir until after War of the Realms. And even if he did get it back, the damage Aaron did was still around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:01:53 No.116040740 Report

Quoted By: >>116040898 >>116041167

>>116040711
>The Mad Hatter and the Tweedledee and Tweedledum are suppsed to be fans of the original book
Yes we know WHY in universe they're named that, but it doesn't change the fact that they were named as such simply because they were free characters to rip off.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:02:09 No.116040745 Report

Quoted By: >>116040886

>>116040726
And War of the Realms was after SW2015, again, no reboot involved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:10:06 No.116040886 Report

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>>116040745
There were reboots involved after SW because everything that happened before Time Runs Out was retcon into never happening. Main example would be inverted Tony and Havok that are now good instead of super evil.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:10:49 No.116040898 Report

Quoted By: >>116040907

>>116040740
>revamping public domain characters
>the same as ripping off or plagiarizing
Anon are you baiting? Because this statement and this thread has to be some of the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:11:33 No.116040907 Report

Quoted By: >>116041167

>>116040898
I don't think he understands the difference between "based on" an "ripped off"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:13:57 No.116040947 Report

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myths Thor is way too violent and gray zone, he would be identical to Namor

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:27:38 No.116041167 Report

Quoted By: >>116041193

>>116040740
>but it doesn't change the fact that they were named as such simply because they were free characters to rip off.
It's not a ripoff, those characters are public domain, if you do something with them they become yours version of said characters.
>>116040907
>I don't think he understands the difference between "based on" an "ripped off"
neither you

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:29:08 No.116041189 Report

Quoted By: >>116041269 >>116041400

Oh come on now

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:29:35 No.116041193 Report

Quoted By: >>116041318

>>116041167
>you don't understand what the words mean
>n-no u!
fucking kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:35:07 No.116041269 Report

Quoted By: >>116041377

>>116041189
But why Thor and Superman tho? Wonder Woman vs Thor or Superman vs Carol Danvers would make way more sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:37:59 No.116041318 Report

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>>116041193
You literally think you can plagiarize something public domain when you USE the public domain thing.
If I use Thor and I use elements from Thor's mythology it isn't plagiarizing, it's creating him

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:41:19 No.116041377 Report

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>>116041269
Because the guy who keeps spamming "This is why Superman sucks" threads is now assblasted when the same exact logic/arguments are placed on Thor

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:43:00 No.116041400 Report

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>>116041189
Superfags and anti-Superfags going full retard. Nothing new.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 22:15:23 No.116041944 Report

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>>116040196
they've been popular characters for millenia, so if it aint broke dont fix it, or rather dont try to reinvent the wheel

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