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What went wrong?

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 12:47:25 2020 No.115425644 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>115425662 >>115425739 >>115425758 >>115425774 >>115426747 >>115428383 >>115428429 >>115428919 >>115430328 >>115430554 >>115431620 >>115432923

Without mentioning Bubbleline

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 12:49:29 No.115425662 Report

Quoted By: >>115425739

>>115425644
Lack of direction in latter seasons

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 12:56:37 No.115425720 Report

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It was too weird just for the sake of being weird half the time. And when it was trying to be stupid, it went too far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 12:56:45 No.115425722 Report

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Nothing except season 6

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Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 12:58:12 No.115425739 Report

Quoted By: >>115428456 >>115429946

>>115425644
Pretty much this >>115425662 . Pen left, opening a revolving door for wannabe showrunners each trying to leave their mark on the series. Too many cooks in the kitchen, and everybody seemed to want something different. Pic related stands out the most for folks around here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 13:00:37 No.115425758 Report

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>>115425644
Penn gave the storyboarders too much of a sandbox.
Rebecca Sugar came to the show trying to push for more serialized storytelling but too few of the boarders were willing to give up their episodes to ever commit to any story longer than 11 minutes so the show just stagnated and never went anywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 13:02:00 No.115425774 Report

Quoted By: >>115428474 >>115429443

>>115425644
Penn and Sugar leaving, Penn because he provided direction regarding episodic content and Sugar because she provided direction regarding story-driven content. With both of them gone the remaining staff had no idea where to take either and the show became completely aimless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 14:26:52 No.115426747 Report

Quoted By: >>115428375 >>115428747

>>115425644
Tone shift and Finn being treated like shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:12:09 No.115428375 Report

Quoted By: >>115428389 >>115428794

>>115426747
Was he?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:12:28 No.115428383 Report

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>>115425644
It cooled and solidified

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:12:59 No.115428389 Report

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>>115428375
Yes

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Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:16:08 No.115428429 Report

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>>115425644

It was never particularly good, but season 1 was moderately watchable. It's when they started out with the "after the apocalypse epic lore" bullshit that it all went downhill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:17:46 No.115428456 Report

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>>115425739
there was only one post-Pen showrunner: Adam Muto

also a lot of people agree that Sam Alden is one of the better Muto era boarders

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:18:49 No.115428474 Report

Quoted By: >>115428722

>>115425774
a lot of people forget that Pat McHale left around the same time as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:24:05 No.115428547 Report

Quoted By: >>115428590

>>115428429
That picture sums up the kind of person you must be pretty well. It's not the show's fault that you just want mindless stuff out of a cartoon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:26:20 No.115428584 Report

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Season 7 (the actual production season 7, not CN's weird way of splitting the later seasons, so Bonnie & Neddy to Reboot) is the best of the Adam Muto seasons

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:26:36 No.115428590 Report

Quoted By: >>115428660 >>115428685

>>115428547
>lore = smart and good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:30:46 No.115428660 Report

Quoted By: >>115428707 >>115428777 >>115428911

>>115428590
I like things that challenge the public's perspective of western animation, and want to take advantage of the medium. This is what Adventure Time did. Shame that you can't appreciate this for superficial reasons

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:32:50 No.115428685 Report

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>>115428590
But she's right

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:34:00 No.115428703 Report

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I feel like the most influential boarders on the show that get talked about the least are Tom Herpich (one of the longest lasting boarders on the show, one of the boarders often involved in his own episode outlines in later seasons like the more often talked about Jesse Moynihan) and Ako Castuera (who did a bulk of the Marceline episodes from seasons 2-5 that Rebecca didn't work on and was even brought back to work on Stakes)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:34:06 No.115428707 Report

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>>115428660
Not the original guy, but I don’t appreciate it because it didn’t actually make the show better. Anything “good” that Adventure Time did in later seasons has been done much better by other cartoons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:35:11 No.115428722 Report

Quoted By: >>115428858

>>115428474
And Larry Leichliter

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:36:30 No.115428747 Report

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>>115426747
Yes. Both his fighting skills and his mental state deteriorated as time went on. Not to mention he looks exactly the same at 17 as he did when he was 12.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:38:09 No.115428777 Report

Quoted By: >>115428803 >>115429898

>>115428660

>YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT'S SO DEEP AND MATURE

Kill yourself. I really don't give a shit how much convoluted crap you can pour into a show if it's boring, creepy or confusing. Adventure Time was all three.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:38:49 No.115428794 Report

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>>115428375
Yes. Both his fighting skills and mental state deteriorated as time went on. Not to mention he looks exactly the same at 17 as he did when he was 12.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:39:11 No.115428803 Report

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>>115428777
>YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT'S SO DEEP AND MATURE
This but unironically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:42:58 No.115428858 Report

Quoted By: >>115429291

>>115428722
true; though when Lechitler was around Supervising Director and Creative Director were separate positions and it sounds like the Supervising Directors were more involved with overseeing the more technical side of things; basically the difference between what JG Quintel did on Flapjack as creative director vs what Rob McIntyre did on Flapjack as supervising director

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:45:32 No.115428911 Report

Quoted By: >>115428993 >>115429007 >>115429021 >>115429419

>>115428660
I don't think the problem was instrically the idea of lore being introduced to the series, I think it was more the team behind it didn't really know which direction to take it in, so the whole thing comes off as a bit of a tonal mess. I think Adventure Time could have seriously benefitted from a more unified vision and clear direction, but given said aformentioned revolving door of showrunners, it didn't really have a chance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:45:34 No.115428912 Report

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Honestly disagree with a lot of opinions here, the show got a lot better whan Penn stopped being so involved. Try rewatching s1 episodes, a lot of the humor doesn't work that well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:45:58 No.115428919 Report

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>>115425644
>stopped being funny
>too much focus on side characters that were not different enough in personality
>lost track of its core concept (adventures with finn and jake)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:50:36 No.115428993 Report

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>>115428911
for the last time the showrunners weren't a revolving door; when Pen left Muto took over, and Muto never left and had someone replace him (hell, Muto's even showrunner on the upcoming distant lands specials)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:51:30 No.115429007 Report

Quoted By: >>115429191 >>115429277

>>115428911
Well, i disagree. Adventure Time was a sandbox. Everyone involved had creative freedom to do what they wanted, thus making the show 100% unpredictable and lacking any bounds. This keeps the creative juices flowing and makes the show more fun. SU didn't do this. Sugar had too much control, so the show became repetitive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 16:52:30 No.115429021 Report

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>>115428911
Adventure Time is so different in the later seasons compared to the early ones that it’s hard to consider it the same show.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 17:03:33 No.115429191 Report

Quoted By: >>115429354

>>115429007
You've just argued why the lore doesn't work in this show. If it is just freefrom and whatever they feel like then establishing ideas doesn't really work. We see ideas set up, then either abandoned or beguilingly dragged to a poor conclusion. This is why many long term fans got so frustrated, ideas that seemed considerably more important were used poorly. Characters set up in certain ways were reworked cause the boarder wanted to tell a completely different story.

All for another episode where TT has some even wackier backstory. Wow so creative that it turns out a character from 2 seasons ago is sad cause they are so gay and don't like there dad. Never seen that before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 17:09:31 No.115429277 Report

Quoted By: >>115429864

>>115429007
And yet Steven Universe ended up being the better show.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 17:10:26 No.115429291 Report

Quoted By: >>115429500

>>115428858
My point is that having the showrunner, supervising director, creative director, and a storyboarder all leaving at about the same time must have been a huge blow

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 17:14:08 No.115429354 Report

Quoted By: >>115429494

>>115429191
Yeah Adventure Time is notorious for retconning. The show making things up as it went along created a lot of holes in its lore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 17:18:07 No.115429419 Report

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>>115428911
Yeah, season 7 was perfect. Clear goal and focused story on grass finn

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 17:19:28 No.115429443 Report

Quoted By: >>115429494 >>115429500

>>115425774
>Sugar leaving
What's with one half of the board saying her departure was the reason AT went downhill, and another half blaming her for its decline? Are we never going to reach a consensus because /co/ is just that assblasted about Sugar?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 17:22:50 No.115429494 Report

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>>115429354
I don't think much was outright retconned, they had enough wiggle room that usually just made a concept considerably less interesting. The problem stems more from the character writing and how frequently they wanted to disregard or ruin the developments people while keeping some of the worst. Everything around FP falls in that camp, remember when she just randomly became obsessed with rap. No real development from her more harsh persona, off screen she just got better and then did it once so that is her personality now.

>>115429443
Both can be true. She set the show on a certain path which needed leadership and clear direction. But Sucrose has never been very good at leading just look at how messy SU got. AT with her properly overseeing could have been great while still different from what many originally liked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 17:23:20 No.115429500 Report

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>>115429443
>/co/ is just that assblasted about Sugar?
Yes

imho, her work on AT was really great, but nonetheless she was only one storyboarder of many. Her departure by itself could not save or ruin the show, though I think it was a loss. As I’ve said before >>115429291 there was a lot going on

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 17:43:29 No.115429864 Report

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>>115429277
False. You know that it isn't true

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 17:45:20 No.115429898 Report

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>>115428777
>creepy
Boring and confusing are valid complaints even if I disagree with them in the context of Adventure Time but creepy? Fucking what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 17:48:34 No.115429946 Report

Quoted By: >>115430062 >>115430159 >>115430279

>>115425739
The hell did finn do to trigger them so hard??

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 17:54:33 No.115430062 Report

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>>115429946
IIRC Alden's episodes tended to actually be pretty positive towards Finn

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:00:16 No.115430159 Report

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>>115429946
He’s a blonde haired white male with blue eyes. It’s not that hard to see why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:00:45 No.115430172 Report

Quoted By: >>115430187 >>115430426 >>115431395

Looking at the top staff on the show:
>Season 1
Showrunner: Pen Ward
Creative Director: Pat McHale
Supervising Director: Larry Lechitler
Executive Producer: Derek Drymon
Art Director: Nick Jennings
Story Editor: Merriwether Williams
Staff Writers: Craig Lewis (a few early episodes only), Tim McKeon
Average "Story by" Credit: Williams/McKeon (seems like the standards for what qualifies for earning the "story by" credit was the stricter "who wrote the actual outline" instead of "who contributed ideas that went into the outline" that it was in later seasons; else Ward, McHale, sometimes Muto, and possibly Drymon would be also earning said credit)

>Season 2
Showrunner: Pen Ward
Creative Director: Pat McHale (also Cole Sanchez; though it seems Cole's CD involvement was mostly in post-production when McHale had already left)
Supervising Director: Larry Lechitler
Supervising Producer: Thurop Van Orman (first half-ish of the season only)
Art Director: Nick Jennings
Storyboard Supervisor: Nate Cash (2nd half-ish of the season)
Story Editor: Merriwether Williams (first half-ish of the season), Mark Banker (2nd half-ish of the season)
Staff Writers: Steve Little (first half-ish of the season), Kent Osborne (2nd half-ish of the season)
Average "Story by" Credit (first half-ish of the season): Williams/Little/McHale/Ward/Van Orman
Average "Story by" Credit (2nd half-ish of the season): Banker/McHale/Osborne/Ward

>Season 3
Showrunner: Pen Ward
Creative Director: Cole Sanchez (most of the season), Adam Muto (most of the final few episodes), Nate Cash (Ghost Princess)
Supervising Director: Larry Lechitler
Art Director: Nick Jennings
Storyboard Supervisor: Nate Cash
Story Editor: Mark Banker
Staff Writers: Kent Osborne and Pat McHale
Average "Story by" Credit: Banker/McHale/Osborne/Ward

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:01:47 No.115430187 Report

Quoted By: >>115430210 >>115430426 >>115431395

>>115430172
>Season 4
Showrunner: Pen Ward
Creative Director: Adam Muto (Sanchez/Sugar and Xayaphone/Youn episodes), Nate Cash (Herpich/Page and Castuera/Moynihan episodes)
Supervising Director: Larry Lechitler
Art Director: Nick Jennings
Storyboard Supervisor: Ian Jones-Quartey
Head of Story: Kent Osborne
Staff Writer: Pat McHale
Average "Story by" Credit: McHale/Osborne/Ward

>Season 5.1 (Finn the Human to The Suitor; includes One Last Job, which was produced and meant to air earlier in the season than it did)
Showrunner: Pen Ward
Supervising Producer: Adam Muto (starting with Lechitler's final eps)
Creative/Supervising Directors (title changed with Lechitler left): Adam Muto (Sanchez/Sugar and Xayaphone/Page episodes), Nate Cash (Castuera/Moynihan and Herpich/Wolfhard episodes), Elizabeth Ito (Shh!)
Supervising Director (first half of this batch only): Larry Lechitler
Supervising Producer: Adam Muto (starting with Lechitler's final eps), Nick Jennings (starting late into this batch)
Art Director: Nick Jennings
Storyboard Supervisor: Ian Jones-Quartey (until roughly when Rebecca left), Erik Fountain (post-Rebecca)
Head of Story: Kent Osborne
Staff Writer: Pat McHale
Average "Story by" Credit: McHale/Osborne/Ward

>Season 5.2 (The Party's Over, Isla de Señorita to Billy's Bucket List)
Showrunner: Adam Muto
Supervising Directors: Nate Cash (Castuera/Moynihan and Herpich/Wolfhard episodes), Elizabeth Ito (Sanchez/Ristaino and Xayaphone/Kim episodes)
Supervising Producer: Nick Jennings
Art Director: Nick Jennings
Storyboard Supervisor: Erik Fountain
Head of Story: Kent Osborne
Staff Writer: Jack Pendarvis
Average "Story by" Credit: Osborne/Ward/Pendarvis/Muto

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:02:47 No.115430210 Report

Quoted By: >>115430426 >>115431395

>>115430187
>Season 6
Showrunner: Adam Muto
Supervising Directors: Andres Salaff (Moynihan and Herpich/Wolfhard episodes), Elizabeth Ito (Sanchez/Ristaino and Xayaphone/Kim episodes from the first half of the season), Cole Sanchez (Sanchez/Ristaino and Xayaphone/Kim episodes from the second half of the season)
Supervising Producer: Nick Jennings
Art Director: Nick Jennings, Sandra Lee (starting with the final few episodes in the season, credited alongside Jennings)
Storyboard Supervisor: Erik Fountain
Head of Story: Kent Osborne
Staff Writer: Jack Pendarvis
Average "Story by" Credit: Osborne/Ward/Pendarvis/Muto

>Season 7
Showrunner: Adam Muto
Supervising Directors: Andres Salaff (mostly Alden/Moynihan episodes and Herpich/Wolfhard episodes), Elizabeth Ito (mostly Xayaphone/Kim episodes and Freelancer episodes)
Art Director: Sandra Lee
Storyboard Supervisor: Erik Fountain
Head of Story: Kent Osborne
Staff Writer: Jack Pendarvis
Average "Story by" Credit (pre-Stakes, Stakes, and the earliest few post-stakes episodes): Osborne/Ward/Pendarvis/Muto
Average "Story by" Credit (2nd half of the season): Osborne/Pendarvis/Ashly Burch/Muto

>Season 8
Showrunner: Adam Muto
Supervising Directors: Cole Sanchez (mostly Alden/Guo episodes and Herpich/Wolfhard episodes), Elizabeth Ito (mostly Xayaphone/Kim episodes and Nystrom/Sennwald episodes)
Art Director: Sandra Lee
Storyboard Supervisor: Erik Fountain
Head of Story: Kent Osborne
Story Editor: Jack Pendarvis
Average "Story by" Credit (pre-Island and Islands): Osborne/Pendarvis/Burch/Muto
Average "Story by" Credit (Elements and post-Elements): Osborne/Pendarvis/Julia Pott/Muto

>Season 9
Showrunner: Adam Muto
Supervising Directors: Cole Sanchez, Diana Lafiyatis
Art Director: Sandra Lee
Storyboard Supervisor: Erik Fountain
Head of Story: Kent Osborne
Story Editor: Jack Pendarvis
Average "Story by" Credit: Osborne/Pendarvis/Pott/Muto

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:06:21 No.115430279 Report

Quoted By: >>115430477

>>115429946
I think a lot of writers simply didn't identify with, weren't interested in or got bored of writing a "normal" teenage boy. Think about the types of characters those sort of circles obsessed over at the time, male or female. They weren't really Finn like, the happy normal hero. Not saying oh the sjws hate cis white males, but they wanted to write about lesbians and how hard it was being a stage hand. So Finn was either begrudgingly dragged along (nerfed or made weird so he couldn't be the hero) or warped into the character they wanted.

Alden did treat Finn fairly well though, Flute Spell and Wild Cunt were by him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:09:10 No.115430328 Report

Quoted By: >>115430598

>>115425644
It paved the way for the Calarts art-style and "wacky comedy cartoon has a deep and edgy backstory" style of writing.
So it basically caused nearly all the problems of modern cartoons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:13:59 No.115430426 Report

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>>115430172
>>115430187
>>115430210
You can certainly see a transition over the show, in a way you would kind of expect. Like many late-AT haters still like a handful of season 3,4,5 episodes. It is 5.2 and onward the staff that staff has nearly completely shifted or switched up their role. A lot probably rests on Muto just not having the same vision Pen did. He Muto knew there was money though and held on, fair play can't blame him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:17:17 No.115430477 Report

Quoted By: >>115431034

>>115430279
When did this start though? From what i’ve seen Finn was treated very well in the earlier seasons by the writers.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:21:05 No.115430554 Report

Quoted By: >>115430652

>>115425644
Too much complex lore and worldbuilding and too little adventures and hangings-out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:23:05 No.115430598 Report

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>>115430328

Holy shit this. So much this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:25:54 No.115430652 Report

Quoted By: >>115430889 >>115431071

>>115430554
>Too much complex lore and worldbuilding and too little adventures and hangings-out.
People who say this did not actually watch the show. Yes, AT went to shit but there was no “complex lore”

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:31:24 No.115430734 Report

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Too much emphasis on romance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:40:36 No.115430889 Report

Quoted By: >>115431071 >>115431217

>>115430652
You're right, it wasn't complex, just dumb.
"uh, actually she's 800 years old and created everything" should've been dropped the moment some retard staffer suggested it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:49:21 No.115431034 Report

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>>115430477
Well looking at the anon's above list, you can see S3 was when staff changes started. Not bad episodes but things like Too Young and Incendium were a change in tone. Along with many more sad, romance and side character focused episodes. Then it simply carries on that direction. Whether it was the staff changes or the staff simply wanting to write different things we just don't know.

Just flicking through the wiki page on episodes you see this growing focus on other stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:51:10 No.115431071 Report

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>>115430652
>>115430889
Wasn't complex, but there was a lot of fun world building in the show and a lot of easter eggs for those watched in order

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 18:59:29 No.115431217 Report

Quoted By: >>115431268 >>115431382

>>115430889
That was arguably the dumbest retcon added to the show. What was the purpose of adding it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 19:02:30 No.115431268 Report

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>>115431217
I liked it, it lead to some fun episodes and although it has the side effect of making PB seem like a sociopath it’s still pretty nifty

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 19:09:52 No.115431382 Report

Quoted By: >>115431652

>>115431217
I don’t know. The dumbest thing is that it actually causes the retcon of making her a jerkass make even less sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 19:10:27 No.115431395 Report

Quoted By: >>115431537 >>115431665 >>115431856 >>115431905

>>115430172
>>115430187
>>115430210
also worth noting: a simplified progression of the board teams:

>Season 1
Adam Muto/Elizabeth Ito
Luther McLaurin/Armen Mirzaian
Sean Jimenez/Bert Youn
Kent Osborne/Niki Yang

>Season 2
Kent Osborne/Somvilay Xayaphone
Cole Sanchez/Jesse Moynihan
Adam Muto/Rebecca Sugar
Ako Castuera/Tom Herpich

>Season 3
Castuera/Moynihan
Muto/Sugar
Herpich/Youn
Osborne/Xayaphone

>Season 4
Tom Herpich/Skyler Page
Xayaphone/Youn
Castuera/Moynihan
Sanchez/Sugar

>Season 5.1
Castuera/Moynihan
Sanchez/Sugar
Tom Herpich/Steve Wolfhard
Xayaphone/Page

>Season 5.2
Castuera/Moynihan
Sanchez/Osborne -> Sanchez/Ristaino
Herpich/Woflhard
Xayaphone/Seo Kim

>Season 6
Herpich/Woflhard
Xayaphone/Kim
Moynihan/Freelancers
Sanchez/Ristaino
and a board team's worth of episodes done by some combination of Muto, Osborne, and/or freelancers

>Season 7
Herpich/Wolfhard
Xayaphone/Kim
Castuera/Moynihan (Stakes) -> Sam Alden/Moynihan (post-Stakes)
2 entire board teams worth of episodes done by some combination of Muto, Osborne, and/or freelancers

>Season 8
Herpich/Wolfhard
Alden/Polly Guo
Xayaphone/Kim
Hanna K Nystrom/Aleks Sennwald
Graham Falk/freelancers and higher ups

>Season 9
Alden/Falk
Xayaphone/Kim
Nystrom/Sennwald
Herpich/Wolfhard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 19:19:27 No.115431537 Report

Quoted By: >>115431579

>>115431395
why won't xayaphone go the fuck away?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 19:22:03 No.115431579 Report

Quoted By: >>115432110

>>115431537
apparently everyone who personally knows him finds him funny

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 19:24:47 No.115431620 Report

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>>115425644
I think the biggest reasons for its decline was a lost of purpose. It turned away from wacky adventures and focus more on the lore and romantic subplots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 19:26:48 No.115431652 Report

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>>115431382
Yeah there’s a big difference in the way she acted early in the series compared to later. That personality change makes more sense if she was mortal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 19:27:47 No.115431665 Report

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>>115431395
So it goes something like

>S1
New team, many don't stick around
>S2/3
Team of boarders becomes established, most stay for a long time
>S4/5.1
More stick around than join but only just
>S5.2/6/7
Somewhere a tipping point is hit. Many S2/3 boarders till around, new and later staff begin to out number them
>S8/9
Staff turn over means the post S5 boarders out number the pre S5 boarders by a fair margin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 19:39:37 No.115431856 Report

Quoted By: >>115432913

>>115431395
I'm on a roll I'll throw in the model sheet artists (who do Character Designs, Character Layouts, Prop Designs, and Effects Designs)

>Season 1
Lead: Phil Rynda
non-leads: Natasha Allegri, Tom Herpich

>Season 2
Lead: Phil Rynda
non-leads: Natasha Allegri, Andy Ristaino

>Seasons 3-5.1:
Lead: Andy Ristaino
non-leads: Michelle Xin, Michael DeForge

>Season 5.2
Lead: Matt Forsyth
non-leads: Michael DeForge, Erica Jones

>Season 6
Lead: Matt Forsyth
non-leads: Michael DeForge, Erica Jones -> Joy Ang

>Season 7
Supervisor: Derek Kirk Kim
non-leads: Michael DeForge, Joy Ang

>Seasons 8-9
Supervisor: Benjamin Anders
non-leads: Michael DeForge, Joy Ang

>Minecraft Special
Joe Sparrow, Michael Deforge

>Distant Lands:
Lead Character Designer: Becky Drestadt
Character Designer: Danny Cragg
Prop Designer: ??? (unlike the other 2, who had the same roles on the Steven Universe Movie and Steven Universe Future; it looks like Steven Universe's long time Prop Designer Angie Wang is not involved with Distant Lands)

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Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 19:42:40 No.115431905 Report

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>>115431395
Graham Falk is based though, and I enjoyed his episodes.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 19:55:44 No.115432110 Report

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>>115431579
I mean he might be alright as a person, but man his episodes were crap

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Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 20:44:36 No.115432913 Report

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>>115431856
and now the storyboard revisionists

>Season 1
Ako Castuera, Somvilay Xayaphone, Jiwook Kim, Armen Mirzaian, Rebecca Sugar

>Season 2
Ian Jones-Quartey and David C. Smith

>Season 3
David C. Smith, Natasha Allegri, Skyler Page, Steve Wolfhard

>Season 4
Natasha Allegri, Steve Wolfhard, Robertryan Corey, and Aleth Romanillos

>Season 5.1
Natasha Allegri, Robertryan Corey, and Aleth Romanillos

>Season 5.2
Natasha Allegri and Julia Srednicki

>Season 6
Julia Srednicki and Lyle Partridge

>Season 7
Julia Srednicki and Polly Guo

>Season 8
Ako Castuera and Charmaine Verhagen

>Season 9
Ako Castuera, Charmaine Verhagen, and Andy Ristaino

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Anonymous Wed 03 Jun 2020 20:45:15 No.115432923 Report

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>>115425644
Existing to begin with.

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