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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 19:03:16 2019 No.111575660 View Reply Original Report

Alan Moore: the super hero genre was born from the white supremacy, as a white supremacist dream.

Lindelof: WRONG!! The first super hero was BLACK, a kang, and the genre is a responde to the injustice against black people!!!

KEEEEK Hacklof is a Hack

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:07:33 No.111575721 Report

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Are we going to pretend that Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Hulk and Iron Man were not created by Jews and were heavily based on those jewish authors?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:10:35 No.111575763 Report

Quoted By: >>111576904 >>111577172

They're both right.
The first Hero was a black man who hated his own people compared to docile melanin deficient domesticated breeds of humans so he made a governance to try and get them to act civilized: A KING.
The first Super Hero was a white people inspired by the ghost of that black man to treat black people like their (uncivilized beatial) behavior actually matters and punish/police them as a vigilante.
If that first (white) Super Hero didn't value black lives he would have White Flight his way away.
Hate and I've intertwined. Do you really think it could be any other way?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:11:11 No.111575776 Report

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>>111575721

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:20:38 No.111575921 Report

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>>111575660
More like lindelsóy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:22:50 No.111575966 Report

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>>111575660
They're both faggots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:22:51 No.111575967 Report

Quoted By: >>111576438

>>111575660
>the super hero genre was born from the white supremacy, as a white supremacist dream
Citation needed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:23:28 No.111575976 Report

Quoted By: >>111576009 >>111577194

>>111575660
Doesn't Moore think capeshit began with Birth of a Nation?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:25:20 No.111576009 Report

Quoted By: >>111576060 >>111587152

>>111575976
It's such an half ass argument that everyone takes so seriously.
>the klans were wearing things that can be classified as masks and capes ergo all Superheroes are rooted in white supremacy

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:27:54 No.111576054 Report

Quoted By: >>111576782 >>111587305

>>111575776
Daily reminder that the author of Birth of a Nation was against race mixing if it was a black man and a white woman but said there is nothing wrong with a white man fucking or even impregnating black women.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:28:09 No.111576060 Report

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>>111576009
he was talking about birth of a nation possibly being the first legit "superhero" movie, that was all

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:30:34 No.111576104 Report

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>>111576060
It's still lazy commentary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:32:30 No.111576138 Report

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>>111576104
sure, but not the same as "the superhero concept itself is white supremacist"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:38:22 No.111576252 Report

Quoted By: >>111583511

>>111576138
>"the superhero concept itself is white supremacist"

Watchmen creator Alan Moore says superhero genre remains a 'white supremacist dream of the master race'

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:39:25 No.111576271 Report

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>>111575660
So,ylof

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:41:47 No.111576323 Report

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>>111575721
>>111575776
I've always found kinda ironic that Kirby was so fascinated with the concept of a primordial master race hidden somewhere. Sounds a lot like the nazi's take of Atlantis. Hitler took it very seriously and sent scientists to found it.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:47:03 No.111576438 Report

Quoted By: >>111576892 >>111578127

>>111575967
Watchmen creator Alan Moore says superhero genre remains a 'white supremacist dream of the master race'

google it, retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:55:52 No.111576604 Report

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so, Alan Moore just saw a void where no one was being critical about something at the time and decided to take action and make something critical out of nothing.
that's old Alan "no fun on my watch" Moore

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:03:01 No.111576735 Report

Quoted By: >>111577837 >>111578678

>>111575721
Moore was obviously talking about how the comics industry has used these characters not what the original creators intended for them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:06:44 No.111576782 Report

Quoted By: >>111579333 >>111582817

>>111576054
You say this like there is a contradiction there. Women preserve the genetic essence of the tribe, the men spread it. Thus, the consequence of racemixing by white women have a totally different outcome for the tribe then when white men conquer and breed women from the lesser tribes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:10:32 No.111576850 Report

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>>111575660
I don't even care for the show but i'm LOVING how it's been triggering you faggots since the first fucking episode
Absolutely worth it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:10:48 No.111576856 Report

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>>111575721
Hey, Wertham overlooked it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:13:06 No.111576890 Report

Quoted By: >>111576927

>>111575660
>Alan Moore: the super hero genre was born from the white supremacy, as a white supremacist dream.
Nigger what are you talking about

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:13:07 No.111576892 Report

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>>111576438
I'm not debating that he said, I'm debating if there's any truth to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:13:37 No.111576904 Report

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>>111575763
What Hero and what ghost

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:14:19 No.111576927 Report

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>>111576890
Birth of a Narion depicts a masked crusader for white supremacy

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:14:52 No.111576936 Report

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>>111576927
So I guess the Klan were literally the minutemen of their time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:16:31 No.111576964 Report

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>>111576936
Absolutely precisely

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:17:53 No.111576989 Report

Quoted By: >>111577007 >>111577099 >>111582000

>>111575660
Isn't Moore a white supremacist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:18:25 No.111576997 Report

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>>111575660
Clearly America in the 1930's was the first time any culture ever decided to create stories about people who were able to do things most weren't.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:18:34 No.111577000 Report

Quoted By: >>111577034 >>111577088

>>111576964
Well
That's not where I wanted to go with this conversation, but ok I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:18:59 No.111577007 Report

Quoted By: >>111577044

>>111576989
Not at all, he claims he's a socialist but he generally advocates for an errata of leftist disestablishmentarianism

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:20:21 No.111577034 Report

Quoted By: >>111577141

>>111577000
Thays the whole idea though. People wore masks do they could go on night raids to ethnically cleanse their communities, and that was depicted in Birth of a Nation to the masses with a masked folk hero character

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:20:52 No.111577044 Report

Quoted By: >>111577083

>>111577007
Why would he create Watchmen if he was not at least pretty heavily leaning towards white supremacy?

It leans very heavily into
>This is what happens when the libs take over, they want to give the darkies all our money
a little too much

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:20:58 No.111577047 Report

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>>111575660

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:22:02 No.111577062 Report

Quoted By: >>111582064

>>111576323
Why? Look at israel. They dislike muslims and are radvist against black jews. They occupy living space and want to expand against the borders they agreed in a contract.
They even see palestina as inferior.
Two big groups are fanatic ortodox religious people and rascist russian jews.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:23:15 No.111577083 Report

Quoted By: >>111577103 >>111577257

>>111577044
The world isnt white supremacy vs libs, there is neoliberalism which is an imperial war ideology that relies on social classes and capitalist wealth hoarding. Remember the Watchmen universe exists because America won Vietnam using a superweapon, a nuclear-tier assymetrical attack on the Vietnamese natives

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:23:27 No.111577088 Report

Quoted By: >>111577127

>>111577000
A vigilantes is just someone outside the law taking the law into their own hands which would make the klan and people like the klan vigilantes but that doesn't make being a vigilante synonymous with a white supremacist. That's where the serious flaw with Moore's logic here.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:24:07 No.111577099 Report

Quoted By: >>111587045

>>111576989
Naw, he's a (theoretical) anarchist. He's always been ridiculously left wing. He made Swamp Thing's sidekick from the Marty Pasko run into an insane, abusive rapist because the character was a Blue Oyster Cult fan and Moore had heard a rumor BOC were Nazis because of one of their album covers had an ME262 on it (even though BOC were all Jews).

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:24:14 No.111577103 Report

Quoted By: >>111577136

>>111577083
Except it actually is 99.999% of the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:25:29 No.111577127 Report

Quoted By: >>111577326 >>111578749

>>111577088
He's saying specifically the movie Birth of a Nation is the originator of the American masked vigilante icon, where a masked white supremacist who 'represented the people' was shown as a hero

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:25:49 No.111577133 Report

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>>111575721
Moore worships a snake god. His only power is in his writing and character building. Every idea is heavily taken from other material.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:26:03 No.111577136 Report

Quoted By: >>111577217

>>111577103
Well then you're too simple for Moore's work. Calling him a white supremacist is at least incorrect

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:26:21 No.111577141 Report

Quoted By: >>111577158

>>111577034
But to say that the masked hero archetype is rooted in white supremacy a little audacious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:27:25 No.111577158 Report

Quoted By: >>111588644

>>111577141
Moore is an audacious guy. Anyways the connection is there, doesnt mean all capes are supremacists but that root is still there.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:28:27 No.111577172 Report

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>>111575763
nice lore dump dude

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:29:25 No.111577194 Report

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>>111575976
He did in LOEG Tempest, but I don't know how much is his genuine belief and how much is him just taking a piss on the genre.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:29:27 No.111577195 Report

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Moore also spends his lifetime lending political importance to comics, he's the guy you go to for that so don't act like he shouldn't be saying these things

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:31:12 No.111577217 Report

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>>111577136
I like to think making up an army of guys in Rorschach masks as a new kkk and then making them the heroes of the story is kind of white supremacey-ey. He made the kkk guy the main moral compass of the first story.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:33:22 No.111577257 Report

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>>111577083
Usually it is white supreacists vs a coalition of everyone else collected together within the liberal part of the time. But Moore was literally depicting a white supremacists as the moral literalist hero in the story, only to later reveal he was actually a part of a huge kkk-ish gang of white supremacists the whole time.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:33:25 No.111577259 Report

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>>111577217

If there’s a moral compass in Watchmen it’s probably Hollis, Dan, or Laurie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:34:31 No.111577274 Report

Quoted By: >>111577302

>>111577217
Its called depth - Moore is writing about the mixed and compromised nature of politics and the limits of a society that adheres to discrete political identities

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:35:42 No.111577298 Report

Quoted By: >>111577316

>>111577217
And really what was their plan? Rorschach and his followers are just discontent anarchists who work as their own secret police

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:35:43 No.111577302 Report

Quoted By: >>111577345

>>111577274
Depth is adding in an army of white supremacists and making them the moral center of the story?

Yea no, it's called being a white supremacist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:36:45 No.111577316 Report

Quoted By: >>111577357

>>111577298
Wasn't it all outrage over reparations?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:37:09 No.111577326 Report

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>>111577127
And I'm saying that's bullshit. If anything Highwaymen were the originators of the masked heroes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:38:09 No.111577345 Report

Quoted By: >>111577394

>>111577302
Depth is writing a story about how genuine greivances can militarize and destroy a population, or writing a moral character whose mentality is rooted in racist society

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:38:54 No.111577357 Report

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>>111577316
Basically, and all thy did was corral themselves to be killed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:40:17 No.111577380 Report

Quoted By: >>111577397 >>111577403 >>111578749 >>111579501 >>111579657 >>111580151

Wasn't Zorro the first superhero? Masked hispanic dude fighting an oppressive fascist?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:41:07 No.111577394 Report

Quoted By: >>111577464 >>111577491

>>111577345
And he did it by making a story where white people were some underdogs having to fight back against a system that was propping up all brown people and they started killing, and then the narrative tried to justify it. It's basically a standard Fox News scary future talking point for white supremacists

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:41:11 No.111577397 Report

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>>111577380
Zorro came after the birth of a nation.
>1915
To
>1919

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:41:31 No.111577403 Report

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>>111577380
Yeah i thought of him too
Anyways Moore is clearly relishing this idea, its a good premise for some stories but maybe not very true

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:42:32 No.111577425 Report

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>>111575660
Alan Moore: something he never said

Lindelof: something he never said

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:44:34 No.111577464 Report

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>>111577394
Yeah Moore definitely has some sympathy for their position as radical protestors, he writes the accurate tragedy and response to their behavior. Did a good job of showing the situation clearly by showing what happens to any such uprising

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:45:39 No.111577491 Report

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>>111577394
They're not underdogs but pawns. It's not my fault you can't empathize with the black leads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:46:47 No.111577525 Report

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Its also based and realistic to say White Supremacy is a bad idea BECAUSE the globalized world relishes in destroying it, and its a foolish use of political effort due to its extreme requirements to succeed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:48:08 No.111577553 Report

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>>111575721
The first ones were all jewish but the most successful, CC Beck, was not. And everyone’s superhero ripped off Superman but only the big red cheese got SHUT DOWN. Is it a coincidence?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:50:20 No.111577586 Report

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>>111575721
Jews are white m8

The Ashkenaz anyway

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:53:58 No.111577660 Report

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>>111576892
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NOT MY HEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:54:22 No.111577670 Report

Quoted By: >>111577703 >>111577729 >>111577732 >>111579061 >>111587141

Did you know thay white anxiety is valid, but outward white supremacy is an anti-social and self-destructive bejavior? You can have greivances as a white man without being a supremacist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:56:17 No.111577703 Report

Quoted By: >>111579061

>>111577670
Except that white grievance almost only takes the form of
>We are not going to be completely in charge anymore!
>We cannot say racial slurs in public at any brown people we see! This is the same as being a slave!!!

It's not really a high position or one that gets a single element of sympathy

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:57:40 No.111577729 Report

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>>111577670
yes, i know

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:57:44 No.111577732 Report

Quoted By: >>111578477 >>111579061

>>111577670
White anxiety is grasping that they cannot take over and exploit natives for free labor in the modern day and they might have to build something for themselves. Something that has never happened in history before. Sorry if I never give a shit that imperial colonials are sad they cannot maintain their empire any longer.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 20:59:42 No.111577756 Report

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>>111576892

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:02:49 No.111577796 Report

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>>111576892
ohh noo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:05:30 No.111577837 Report

Quoted By: >>111577907

>>111576735
99% of all comics from the 70s and 80s are about white dudes fighting each other, how does this push in any way white supremacy?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:06:11 No.111577851 Report

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>>111577047
What a classic.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:09:30 No.111577907 Report

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>>111577837

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:09:30 No.111577908 Report

Quoted By: >>111577936 >>111578190 >>111578230 >>111578250

Why is this thread full of retards from /pol/ who don't know shit about comics.

Hell we got an Anon posting Batman and Captain America images like superhero comics started with them in the late 30s early 40s.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:11:03 No.111577936 Report

Quoted By: >>111582976

>>111577908
Ohhhhhhh no my heroes!!!
How dare you!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:17:12 No.111578037 Report

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>>111577756
as you can see, basically ameican superhero writers and fans hated japanese and blacks, and hilariously it hasnt changed yet lolololololololol /co/ cant deny this fucking fact.

alan moore is fucking right

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:19:32 No.111578077 Report

Quoted By: >>111578585

>>111577047
The Minutemen was a militant anti-Communist organization formed in the United States in the early 1960s. The founder and head of the right-wing group was Robert DePugh, a biochemist from Norborne, Missouri. The Minutemen believed that Communism would soon take over the United States. The group armed themselves and were preparing to take back the country if necessary. The Minutemen organized themselves into small cells and stockpiled weapons for an anticipated counter-revolution.

"'Negroes' are not capable of voting intelligently"
DePugh

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:22:28 No.111578127 Report

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>>111576438
>>111575660
That doesn't establish hooded Justice as a white nazi.
>Alan Moore: the super hero genre was born from the white supremacy, as a white supremacist dream.
Alan Moor most likely never said IT WAS BORN from white supremacy. The guy know the creators of Superman were Jewish and Superman an allegory for Moses

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:26:35 No.111578190 Report

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>>111577908
>Why is this thread full of retards from /pol/ who don't know shit about comics.
Have you read the OP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:29:16 No.111578230 Report

Quoted By: >>111578371

>>111577908
>Why is this thread full of retards from /pol/ who don't know shit about comics.
Because it's a /tv/ thread about a tv show

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:29:17 No.111578232 Report

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So what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:30:34 No.111578250 Report

Quoted By: >>111578309 >>111578433

>>111577908
Nah, the flavor of this posting isn't /pol/ shit. More likely it's some kid from r/aznidentity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:34:11 No.111578309 Report

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>>111578250
lol why are you suddenly bringing that sub here. its just a sub for delusional chinese ideologues..

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:37:34 No.111578371 Report

Quoted By: >>111578410 >>111578437 >>111587176

>>111578230
Man I haven't been to /tv/ in half a decade but they couldn't have gotten this much worse.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:39:44 No.111578410 Report

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>>111578371
>half a decade
So you missed the 2016 migration then

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:41:48 No.111578433 Report

Quoted By: >>111578578 >>111578597

>>111578250
Because it's the modus operandi of asian incels to hyperfixate on the bigotry in America while glossing over the bigotry from their own country of origin. It could be the tranny discord posters though, both are behind a lot of the idpol trolling on 4chan nowadays.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:41:58 No.111578437 Report

Quoted By: >>111578457

>>111578371
/tv/ has become worse than /b/, /sp/, and /v/ at the height of their cancer

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:42:59 No.111578457 Report

Quoted By: >>111580703

>>111578437
Nah. All things considered there's not any CP being posted in /tv/, though there are too many pictures of children with disturbing focus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:44:30 No.111578477 Report

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>>111577732
Thats fine, didn't ask you to. My point is denying any personal anxiety caused by these very real changes is less healthy than being conscious of it. Supremacy is least healthy of course, but you can be driven to white supremacy by wrongly beleiving you are forbidden your natural internal reactions to changes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:48:34 No.111578548 Report

Quoted By: >>111578646 >>111580587

>>111575721
Being a Jew doesn't mean you can't be racist, or a fascist. Look at Israel for proof of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:50:02 No.111578578 Report

Quoted By: >>111578685

>>111578433
Lol so you are racist to asians, right? Pure garbage double standard.
Moore is actually right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:50:23 No.111578585 Report

Quoted By: >>111578606 >>111578651 >>111578712 >>111578814

>>111578077
>The Minutemen believed that Communism would soon take over the United States
it took 60 years but they're right

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:51:04 No.111578597 Report

Quoted By: >>111578685 >>111578775

>>111578433
Huh? Who cares. Asians deny or endorse war crimes. That's the way she goes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:51:36 No.111578606 Report

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>>111578585
Its Liberalism that took over my man

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:53:00 No.111578639 Report

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>>111575660
Gators btfo

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:53:11 No.111578646 Report

Quoted By: >>111578680

>>111578548
Yeah, but White Supremacists, pretty consistently throughout history have been hostile towards Jews. So a pair of Jews in the 30's (or even the 60's for you Marvel fans) being White Supremacists is ridiculously unlikely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:53:20 No.111578647 Report

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Isnt D.W. Griffith the guy they named Arthur's sister from?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:53:36 No.111578651 Report

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>>111578585
Ok boomer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:55:13 No.111578678 Report

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>>111576735
Jewish writers and editors controlled comics by decades

Now white guys are finally in charge of the comics and look what happened, Bendis, Aaron and Slott pushing their low quality sjw bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:55:24 No.111578680 Report

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>>111578646
Theyre not white supremacists they just hold the ubermensch ideal within their own reach, people dont have trouble with the idea of autonomous excellence, they have trouvle with ethnic cleaning by opposing races

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:55:37 No.111578685 Report

Quoted By: >>111578730

>>111578578
>>111578597
Not very convincing.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:56:56 No.111578712 Report

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>>111578585
Nigga you burgers don't have have public healthcare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:57:43 No.111578730 Report

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>>111578685
I'm sure theres an asian incel subreddit you can browse to find the most insecure and pitiable asian comments, but there's really no prevailing presence of asian inceldom or any connection with that to willingness to deny war crimes. Anyways a lot of asians are less concerned with critical theory because it is a recent european invention

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:58:14 No.111578739 Report

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>>111578712
But i saw a black person!

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:58:42 No.111578749 Report

Quoted By: >>111578772 >>111578888 >>111579515

>>111577127
>>111577380
I'm pretty sure Robin Hood is the oldest and most iconic representation of vigilantism. You'd think Moore being a brit and a commie would go there but in guess not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 21:59:06 No.111578754 Report

Quoted By: >>111578778

>>111575921
>>111576271
>only knows one joke and how to repeat it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:00:04 No.111578772 Report

Quoted By: >>111578807 >>111580425

>>111578749
He doesnt wear a mask though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:00:14 No.111578775 Report

Quoted By: >>111587416

>>111578597
Japan apologized for their war crimes against China, twice.

US never apologized for nuking 200.000 civilians.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:00:26 No.111578778 Report

Quoted By:

>>111578754
dilate

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:02:08 No.111578807 Report

Quoted By: >>111578903

>>111578772
Neither does Superman

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:02:42 No.111578814 Report

Quoted By: >>111581971

>>111578585
>>111578712

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:07:09 No.111578888 Report

Quoted By: >>111578920

>>111578749
Robin Hood was the prototype for radical social activism. It was the local power that was corrupt in his eyes but he wasn't against the church or the crown. Hero, yes, superhero, no.

Superman is literally Ubermensch. The idea that technology combined with freedom from religion and ancient agrarian ethics would put people among us that were Uber was a powerful idea. Originally Superman was a bit of a dunce who was just super powerful, the Jesus-inspired stuff came later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:07:51 No.111578903 Report

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>>111578807
I think Moore is talking about masked vigilantism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:08:42 No.111578920 Report

Quoted By: >>111579103

>>111578888
>Robin Hood was the prototype for radical social activism. It was the local power that was corrupt in his eyes but he wasn't against the church or the crown.
Sounds like Captain America but without democracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:10:10 No.111578942 Report

Quoted By:

>>111576936
Yes? Are you fucking dumb?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:16:58 No.111579061 Report

Quoted By:

>>111577670
>>111577703
>>111577732
Wish I could mind meld with you guys so I could understand your weird spergisms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:19:25 No.111579103 Report

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>>111578920
Somehow this post pisses me off

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:20:40 No.111579119 Report

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>>111575660
>Alan Moore

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:23:00 No.111579158 Report

Quoted By: >>111579185

Are we posting social commentary on comics now? Are we sure we want to go down this road?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:24:17 No.111579185 Report

Quoted By: >>111579194 >>111579710

>>111579158
oh yeah such a road help i can feel myself slipping aaaaaaaaaa

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:25:03 No.111579194 Report

Quoted By: >>111579448 >>111579527

>>111579185
what, you think there aren't alt right critiques of comics?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:26:15 No.111579218 Report

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>>111575660
>The first super hero was BLACK, a kang,

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:32:33 No.111579308 Report

Quoted By:

>>111575660
No, they both hold the same lefty views here you retard. The character you're talking about in the new HBO TV shit isn't meant to imply superheroes were created by or for black people. The fact he has to cover his face and pretend to be white in order to keep from getting found out by the 1930s era serious business Klan that actually practices lynching still and isn't just an FBI honeypot like it is today if anything only reinforces that Moore quote about Birth of a Nation and white supremacist influences on superhero mythology.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:33:49 No.111579333 Report

Quoted By:

>>111576782
Sauce: nothing

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:34:47 No.111579352 Report

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>>111575660
>doesn't understand a thirty year old comic book
Why do CHUDs keep making these threads, and why aren't they deleted by the mods? And why do so many people keep replying to them as if they're asking these questions in good faith, rather than causing division within the comic community?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:41:54 No.111579448 Report

Quoted By: >>111579710

>>111579194
aaaa help i'm becoming alt-right and unable to ban invaders on vague principle aaaaa

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:44:40 No.111579501 Report

Quoted By: >>111579657

>>111577380
First superhero with powers is probably Golden Bat from Japan

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:45:09 No.111579515 Report

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>>111578749
the literal quote everyone is dabbing on moore for said birth of a nation was arguably the first "superhero" MOVIE, not the first superheroes period

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:46:03 No.111579527 Report

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>>111579194
Who cares if they do or don't? If they want to express their idiotic beliefs, they can go to Storm Front.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:48:03 No.111579567 Report

Quoted By: >>111584442 >>111584512

Man this thread is even below the crappy political cartoon threads.
At least those had content. This just has one sperg making overreacting sarcastic replies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:53:09 No.111579657 Report

Quoted By:

>>111577380
>>111579501
Hugo Hercules from 1905 is the first comic superhero, he was a man with super strenght able to easily lift a car or elephant, he was constantly saving and helping random people in the street who were shocked by his super strenght.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 22:56:25 No.111579710 Report

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>>111579185
>>111579448
Cringe.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:21:04 No.111580151 Report

Quoted By: >>111580251 >>111580543 >>111580603 >>111580674

>>111577380
>Wasn't Zorro the first superhero? Masked hispanic dude fighting an oppressive fascist?
Zorro was created by a white guy after Birth of a Nation was out. Also I don't think you guys are getting how the influence of Birth of a Nation isn't a conscious one. It's not like all these famous comic book writers were laughing maniacally to themselves about how they were going to carry the torch of white supremacy and keep niggers and pakis down with KKK inspired fictional characters.
The idea (which isn't Moore's and is a very old one) is simply that Birth of a Nation was insanely popular for starters. I don't think most young people today appreciate just how popular. It was basically Batman Begins for the KKK in terms of plot, but despite that it's still recognized to this day as one of the greatest (if not the greatest) films of all time. As in even with modern university professors who are notoriously left wing and opposed to racist sentiment they're all forced to teach students about this film because of how ridiculously massive its success and influence has been. No other movie before it was anything like it. Its quality and effects shocked audiences, with the President himself having a private screening and raving about it. And it triggered these huge race riots along with creating a new instance of the KKK after the original had long since fell apart and stopped existing.
Long tangent, but with that in mind, the idea is it would be impossible not to be influenced by all this if you were a comic writer at the time, as the first big superhero writers were. So no, Batman wasn't created with the intent of being a KKK style hero. But the influences on him from them are there. The most interesting of which is his "criminals are a cowardly and superstitious lot" thesis.
https://youtu.be/B-znj3TTCFM?t=121
Klan robes are inspired by white kids scaring superstitious black kids with a sheet pretending to be a ghost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:27:08 No.111580251 Report

Quoted By: >>111580309 >>111580834

>>111580151
This makes me think of those troll posts that tried too hard to pretend they believed flat Earth stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:31:17 No.111580309 Report

Quoted By: >>111580369 >>111580543

>>111580251
Not an argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:34:18 No.111580369 Report

Quoted By: >>111580500

>>111580309
An argument isn't needed.
The statement was about the popularity of Birth of a Nation, which it isn't popular.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:37:45 No.111580425 Report

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>>111578772
Highwaymen do and they operate in the same vein in fiction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:41:35 No.111580500 Report

Quoted By: >>111580603

>>111580369
>which it isn't popular.
Birth of a Nation's budget was $100,000 (in 1915 money), and brought in an estimated 60 million (again in 1915 money), coming out to an adjusted 1.8 billion dollars in 2019 money, during its first theatrical run. It was the first movie screened in the White House, and the then president, Woodrow Wilson, described it in glowing terms.
The movie is still watched widely, is considered one of the most influential of all-time and inspired several genres that are still in existence today (adventure, action, etc.).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:43:22 No.111580543 Report

Quoted By: >>111580576

>>111580309
Neither is this.>>111580151
Both you and moore take the impossible to prove stance that Birth of Nation is the proto-superhero fiction, basically without concrete proof that it is except your own instances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:45:18 No.111580576 Report

Quoted By: >>111580699

>>111580543
So, your argument against the idea that Birth of a Nation, the Klan, etc were considered to be heroes, is to...what? Like, how do you argue against their position?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:45:46 No.111580587 Report

Quoted By: >>111580624 >>111587637

>>111578548
You know that UN is biased AGAINST Israel and their most important figures aknowledged it right? Israel can't do shit without being sued while Kwait and Saudi Arabia allow nobles to sell slaves on fucking facebook and execute people without proof or reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:46:38 No.111580603 Report

Quoted By: >>111580647

>>111580151
>>111580500
Woodrow Wilson was already a klan sympathizer so this movie could've bombed and he would still screened it at the white house.
But Moore's argument isn't that Birth of a nation was a super influential but that it's the inspiration of Superheroes and that Superheroes will always be rooted in white supremacy because of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:47:44 No.111580624 Report

Quoted By: >>111587637

>>111580587
Last I checked, the US and a few rogue nations in the Middle East, are the only members of the UN that refuses to recognize Palestine, and hasn't condemned Israeli occupation of Palestinian land.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:48:46 No.111580647 Report

Quoted By: >>111580733

>>111580603
>But Moore's argument isn't that Birth of a nation was a super influential but that it's the inspiration of Superheroes and that Superheroes will always be rooted in white supremacy because of that.
[citation needed]

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:50:30 No.111580674 Report

Quoted By: >>111583311

>>111580151
The 'superstitious and cowardly lot' line was taken from The Shadow. Of course, that doesn't mean The Shadow didn't steal it from BON

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:51:43 No.111580699 Report

Quoted By: >>111580772

>>111580576
Well first of all you're kinda moving the goalpost here. The argument is not that there's an indirect link to Superheroes and Birth of the nation as but that there's a direct link to Birth of nation as white supremacy propaganda and Superheroes and you only need to point out how Superhero comics most influential writer were jewish and were targeted by white supremacists too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:52:00 No.111580703 Report

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>>111578457
>there's not any CP being posted in /tv/
Anon, I...

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:53:47 No.111580733 Report

Quoted By: >>111580772

>>111580647
Yeah, give me a citation of his actual argument instead of paraphrasing it because you're clearly taking liberties here. Moore did not say that Birth of nation was a super influential movie for society as a whole but an inspiration to Superhero fiction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 23:55:44 No.111580772 Report

Quoted By: >>111580880

>>111580699
>>111580733
I'm not moving the goalposts, I'm asking you to actually engage with what Moore's supposed to have said. Speaking of which, what was Moore's exact, disputed quote, here? Please show me the article, and the exact quotes from those articles, or else it sounds like all you're doing is putting words in his mouth.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:00:00 No.111580834 Report

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>>111580251
He's absolutely right

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:02:39 No.111580873 Report

Quoted By: >>111580907 >>111580916

Guys nobody is saying comics at large are white supremacist because of this origin, its just a huge chunk of superhero tropes come from this white supremacist movie

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:03:06 No.111580880 Report

Quoted By: >>111580909 >>111580924 >>111580995

>>111580772
>these books and these iconic characters are still very much white supremacist dreams of the master race. In fact, I think that a good argument can be made for D.W. Griffith’s Birth of a Nation as the first American superhero movie, and the point of origin for all those capes and masks."
Moore is trying to say that Superheroes are inherently white supremacists propaganda. He's pointing to their hoods and robes as masks and capes which is a laughably seeing how Masks and capes come from the highwaymen folk heroes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:04:44 No.111580907 Report

Quoted By: >>111580941

>>111580873
> nobody is saying comics at large are white supremacist because of this origin
Moore is absolutely saying that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:04:48 No.111580909 Report

Quoted By: >>111581003

>>111580880
Post a fucking source or shut the fuck up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:05:14 No.111580916 Report

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>>111580873
Capes and masks and doing the right thing in them pre-exists said movie, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:05:36 No.111580924 Report

Quoted By: >>111581003

>>111580880
Still not providing a source, but
>I think that a good argument can be made
He's saying that one could make an argument about that, not that it's literally true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:06:37 No.111580941 Report

Quoted By: >>111581003

>>111580907
[citation needed]

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:09:24 No.111580995 Report

Quoted By: >>111581033 >>111581087

>>111580880
>seeing how Masks and capes come from the highwaymen folk heroes.
[citation needed]
Robin Hood didn't wear a mask, he used his own name everywhere he went, and only used a costume in order to sneak into an archery contest, after which he revealed that it was him all along. The Three Musketeers don't wear masks and they use their own names in public. Zorro, the Lone Ranger, etc. have white supremacist roots, no matter how you try to twist history. So, please do show the sources behind your assertion that masks were long established symbols of heroism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:09:48 No.111581003 Report

Quoted By: >>111587633

>>111580909
>>111580924
>>111580941
https://alanmooreworld.blogspot.com/2019/11/moore-on-jerusalem-eternalism-anarchy.html?m=1

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:10:58 No.111581033 Report

Quoted By: >>111581044 >>111581487

>>111580995
Hey isnt Batman in canon based on Zorro

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:11:46 No.111581044 Report

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>>111581033
Yes.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:13:43 No.111581087 Report

Quoted By: >>111581102

>>111580995
So you're saying that in the history of the world only the KKK concealed their identities and that no one ever before thought about using masks.
That's what your arguing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:14:41 No.111581102 Report

Quoted By:

>>111581087
Please support your assertion that masks are long established symbols of heroism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:21:33 No.111581215 Report

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>>111576323
that's because Superheroes are just nerdy jews LARPing as white heroic archetypes.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:23:34 No.111581249 Report

Quoted By: >>111587014 >>111587061 >>111587921

Okay, so, first of all, he's talking about what superhero movies suggest about movie-goers, and what that in turn suggests about our culture when there's increasingly more superhero movies than nearly anything else nowadays, which is choking the creativity allowed to filmmakers as they're being made to either not work, or make superhero movies. He also says that Birth of a Nation is the first superhero MOVIE, in which a band of righteous heroes take law into their own hands to deliver a community from the evil it's under siege from.
>I would also remark that save for a smattering of non-white characters (and non-white creators) these books and these iconic characters are still very much white supremacist dreams of the master race.
This only appears to be controversial because you chopped off the first half. He's saying that there are minority superheroes, but most of them are still white and don't do anything to address the white supremacist narratives that we live with in the west.
Not really seeing anything controversial here, but I am totally understanding why you quote mined and hid your sources for so long.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:25:30 No.111581277 Report

Quoted By: >>111587929

>>111575660
Unga bunga superheroes bad
Read muh book lost girls iz bout a preteen blowing her brothers with peter pan

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:30:36 No.111581364 Report

Quoted By: >>111587929

Me Alan Moore am no Peedophil me am artist why do hoolywud rooin muh work sipper heroos baaaad

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:36:15 No.111581457 Report

Quoted By:

I wish white people were allowed to have stuff with only white people other than anime

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 00:37:47 No.111581487 Report

Quoted By:

>>111581033
The Shadow, at first

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 01:07:59 No.111581971 Report

Quoted By: >>111585866

>>111578712
>>111578814
and this have to do with my post because...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 01:08:38 No.111581981 Report

Quoted By:

>>111575660
>TRIGGERED :The thread

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 01:09:58 No.111582000 Report

Quoted By: >>111582008

>>111576989
No he's a wizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 01:10:50 No.111582008 Report

Quoted By:

>>111582000
Grand wizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 01:14:43 No.111582064 Report

Quoted By: >>111583277 >>111586350

>>111577062
Except Steve looks like a poster boy for nazi propaganda. I think the answer is simply that Kirby may be a jew that fought on WW2 but he was an American first and America has always been fond of eugenics

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 02:00:49 No.111582817 Report

Quoted By: >>111582886 >>111585813

>>111576782
Both produce mutts, the only difference is that the white men with jungle fever try to justify it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 02:01:50 No.111582827 Report

Quoted By:

>>111575776
Cap is a potato nigerian, he's no better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 02:04:41 No.111582886 Report

Quoted By: >>111582993

>>111582817
>Both produce mutts
That's not how it works. Dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 02:06:46 No.111582916 Report

Quoted By:

>>111577217
>He made the kkk guy the main moral compass of the first story.
Are you talking about Rorschach? Because he wasn't about morality at all. He was about his own brand of justice. He even excused the Comedian's "moral failings" because he agreed with what Comedian was doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 02:07:48 No.111582941 Report

Quoted By:

>>111577907
Not Steve Rogers but OK.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 02:09:44 No.111582976 Report

Quoted By: >>111586456

>>111577936
Reminder that Anthony Mackie read this comic and he wanted the Russos to adapt the Snap Wilson stuff. I am trying to find that interview but every time I google snap it just gives me Thanos articles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 02:10:47 No.111582993 Report

Quoted By:

>>111582886
People of two different races gives you a mutt, do not try to excuse your jungle fever race mixer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 02:18:27 No.111583116 Report

Quoted By:

This entire thread must be dilated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 02:29:24 No.111583277 Report

Quoted By: >>111585768 >>111585874

>>111582064
Or the fact that Steve fits the aryan ideal is intentionally subverting Nazism by having their end goal fight against them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 02:31:31 No.111583311 Report

Quoted By:

>>111580674
>The 'superstitious and cowardly lot' line was taken from The Shadow.
If you are talking about that specific line, it wasn't. The Shadow has a lot of iconic lines and not a single one of them is related to the "superstitious and cowardly lot"
If you are talking about the idea of a superhero who dresses and acts in a certain way to scare people, The Shadow was still far from the first to do so.

>that doesn't mean The Shadow didn't steal it from BON
Why on Earth would The Shadow be inspired in any way whatsoever by Birth of A Nation?
We know extensively about what kind of references were in Gibson's mind when he took the radio narrator and made it into a character, and even the references behind the original narrator in the first place.
The Shadow often fought criminals and organizations who looked and acted like Klan members (and was far from the only pulp hero to do so), and 90% of his villains were white businessmen exploiting lower class people for personal gain (most of the time, if the villain looked like it was a yellow peril caricature, it turned out to be a white guy). To say nothing of The Shadow's agents.
The pulps were far from perfect and there's definitely uncomfortable stuff in it now (especially when it comes to mighty withey bullshit), but to claim they were inspired by or on board with Klan rhetoric is ludicrous and ignorant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 02:44:18 No.111583511 Report

Quoted By:

>>111576252
Thats a shit headline then, not the actual statement made

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 03:37:57 No.111584442 Report

Quoted By:

>>111579567
Is this shit portuguese?
Get out, macacu

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 03:41:16 No.111584512 Report

Quoted By: >>111585859

>>111579567
Get out, bramonkey

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 04:18:06 No.111585206 Report

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>>111575660
Mistah Shazam!!!

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 04:51:30 No.111585768 Report

Quoted By:

>>111583277
Yeah, people outside America were mocking the ubermensh concept, why wouldn't Kirby and Lee?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 04:54:28 No.111585813 Report

Quoted By:

>>111582817
>women: can only have 7 kids at most
>men: can impregnate thousands of females

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 04:58:20 No.111585859 Report

Quoted By: >>111587067

>>111584512
I feel like I remember that image being a fake panel, but if you look at the real Cap comics from the WW2 era, the real ones are just as racist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 04:58:39 No.111585866 Report

Quoted By:

>>111581971
US is so anti communist/socialist that they deny the most basic services most countries approved decades ago even the hardcore capitalistic ones.

They are the opposite of communism, they are capitalist extremists willing to let dozens of thousands die for something that could be covered by a tiny tax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 04:59:08 No.111585874 Report

Quoted By: >>111586600

>>111583277
The ideal aryan beauty happen to fit with the ideal American beauty. Both Nazi Germany and America also happen to be pretty fond of mass sterilizations and genocide for achieving said ideal beauty

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 05:00:09 No.111585888 Report

Quoted By:

>>111575660
They're both hacks, because neither of those things is true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 05:23:12 No.111586176 Report

Quoted By: >>111586374

>>111577194
Unrelated to the topic at hand, but should I check out Tempest? I’m a fan of LoEG, but I thought Century 2009 was kind of... not great, even if it had a couple of standout moments. Is watching Orlando getting their ass kicked worth it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 05:27:18 No.111586222 Report

Quoted By:

>>111575721
Jews are white you dumb goyim.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 05:37:02 No.111586350 Report

Quoted By:

>>111582064
Eugenics is about strengthening a community by eliminating the sickly, weak or mentally ill individuals from it. Individuals like Steve was before his treatment. He is a denial of the methods of eugenics, being what eugenics proposes to create, and doing so without mass sterilizations or euthanasia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 05:38:57 No.111586374 Report

Quoted By:

>>111586176
Tempest has issues but I felt like it was way better than Century.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 05:44:21 No.111586456 Report

Quoted By: >>111587318 >>111587511

>>111582976

Every black hero nowadays has to be a bit too positive nowadays. You can still have scummy white heroes, but your black ones have to be thoroughly on the up and up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 05:54:12 No.111586600 Report

Quoted By:

>>111585874
Except you have to be some kind of idiot to ignore who created Captain America and how political it was to say that America should intervene in WW2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:02:09 No.111586706 Report

Quoted By: >>111586724

>>111577194
Kek is that stardust on the crystal ball?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:04:01 No.111586724 Report

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>>111586706
It is, in LOEG he was defeated by Captain Universe by sheer luck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:05:40 No.111586751 Report

Quoted By: >>111587031

>>111575660
Lol how can comicsgators recover?
Alan Moore is basically saying he hates anti SJW white incels.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:27:12 No.111587014 Report

Quoted By:

>>111581249
https://nationalpost.com/entertainment/books/watchmen-creator-alan-moore-says-superhero-genre-remains-a-white-supremacist-dream-of-the-master-race

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:28:01 No.111587024 Report

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>>111575660
Oh no, two different creators have two different interpretations on a subject!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:28:19 No.111587031 Report

Quoted By: >>111587048

>>111586751
Any sand person does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:29:10 No.111587045 Report

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>>111577099
And that story is one of the most interesting character oriented stories in the entire run.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:29:18 No.111587048 Report

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>>111587031
I think "sand people" hate a lot more than just simply them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:30:41 No.111587061 Report

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>>111581249
I had to look at The Fountainhead. I have to say I found Ayn Rand's philosophy laughable. It was a "white supremacist dreams of the master race," burnt in an early-20th century form. Her ideas didn't really appeal to me, but they seemed to be the kind of ideas that people would espouse, people who might secretly believe themselves to be part of the elite, and not part of the excluded majority. I would basically disagree with all of Ditko's ideas, but he has to be given credit for expressing these political ideas. I believe some feminists regard Dave Sim in much the same light; they might disagree with everything he says, but at least there is some sort of sexual-political debate going on there. So I've got respect for Ditko.

A few years ago, I was in a local rock band called "The Emperors of Ice Cream, "and one of our numbers that always went down very well live, was a thing called, "Mr. A." The beat and the tune of it were completely stolen from "Sister Ray" by the Velvet Underground, but the lyrics were all about Steve Ditko.
One of the verses was, "He takes a card and shades one-half of it in dark, so he can demonstrate to you just what he means/He says, 'There's wrong and there's right, there's black and there's white, and there is nothing, nothing in-between.' That's what Mr. A says." [laughter] And then we'd go into the chorus. Yeah, it was a Velvet Underground thrash, but with lyrics about Steve Ditko, which were very sympathetic, because at that time, I'd heard that Steve Ditko was pretty much harmless, living at the YMCA or something like that. This was, I think, during Spider-Man's anniversary year, and I thought that was criminal.

Steve Ditko is completely at the other end of the political spectrum from me. I wouldn't say that I was far left in terms of Communism, but I am an anarchist, which is 180° away from Steve Ditko's position.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:30:58 No.111587067 Report

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>>111585859
>Chinese babies on bayonets but it's racist to mock the Japs
lol get FUCKED you stupid little fascist

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:33:47 No.111587100 Report

Quoted By: >>111587203

>>111575721
>Are we going to pretend that Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Hulk and Iron Man were not created by Jews and were heavily based on those jewish authors?

Jews can be white supremacists, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:34:52 No.111587112 Report

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>>111575660
Cant care much about whats said. But can we appreciate Moore looking like a evil wizard?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:37:24 No.111587141 Report

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>>111577670
Modern white anxiety is just bitching about social media topics and minority representation in popular movies/video games. For people who whine about victimhood that crowd sure loves to wear the hat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:38:13 No.111587152 Report

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>>111576009
It is indeed dumb since masked superheroes were directly inspired by the Scarlet Pimpernel and Zorro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:40:10 No.111587176 Report

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>>111578371
I fucking love film and I can tell you without a doubt that /tv/ is the worst board on this site. Go check it out right fucking now if you don't believe me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:40:17 No.111587179 Report

Quoted By: >>111587211

>>111575660
I thought the underlying theme was that ANYONE can have powers, doesn't matter what race or gender you are. Why are we making this a binary, all one way or all the other way kind of thing? Don't they want to attract people into buying and reading their comics?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:43:03 No.111587203 Report

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>>111587100
But was Jack Kirby a white nationalist? Stan lee? Bob Kane maybe but Bill finger? Is Superman and Captain America an endorsement or actually subversion of Nazism?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:43:36 No.111587211 Report

Quoted By: >>111587224 >>111587283 >>111587457 >>111588302

>>111587179
Alan Moor is saying that you amerikans dream so much about ubermensch that even your superheroes are a result of eugenic thinking

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:45:13 No.111587224 Report

Quoted By: >>111587300 >>111587350 >>111587378 >>111587435 >>111587797

>>111587211
But I'm Mexican-american and I like Superman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:51:31 No.111587283 Report

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>>111587211
There are real people behind these characters and I don't think the magical energies of racist america made Shuster and siegel call Superman as an occult reference to the nazi ideal of the Ubermensch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:53:36 No.111587300 Report

Quoted By:

>>111587224
That's irrelevant to the point being made.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:53:58 No.111587305 Report

Quoted By:

>>111576054
Baste

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:55:18 No.111587318 Report

Quoted By: >>111587424

>>111586456
>Every black hero nowadays has to be a bit too positive nowadays. You can still have scummy white heroes, but your black ones have to be thoroughly on the up and up.

Luke Cage's past as a gangbanger remains canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:57:33 No.111587338 Report

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>>111575660
Why did they feel the need to spoil the identity of Hooded Justice, much less with a hitherto irrelevant show-only character created without any input from the original creators? These fictional worlds having unsolved mysteries you can ponder is cool, giving full origins and lore to things is lame and boring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 06:58:28 No.111587350 Report

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>>111587224
Alan Moore likes Superman too. He just tries not to because of how much DC wronged him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:01:14 No.111587378 Report

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>>111587224
You can be colored and dream about ubermensch
Black Panther is a nog and is a ubermensch. Compare him with the average nugnug

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:04:31 No.111587416 Report

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>>111578775
And at the same time they still hold ceremonies (that until recently were attended by high level politicians) at a certain shrine that basically exists to honor their war criminals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:05:41 No.111587424 Report

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>>111587318
That part isn't the important part, it's what he does as a hero. Tragic backstories where they were bad guys, and then decided to reform to become good guys is not proof against what you were quoting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:06:43 No.111587435 Report

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>>111587224
He's talking about the origin of the genre, not about the fans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:09:06 No.111587457 Report

Quoted By: >>111587545

>>111587211
Alan Moore is a cunt who apparently forgot that every culture has stories to explore morality and power fantasies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:11:48 No.111587486 Report

Quoted By: >>111587503 >>111589351

All this is rendered moot when you know what's really going on.

Alan Moore is only saying these things because he's HURT. And why shouldn't he be? Got fucked over by Marvel AND DC back in the day. He's saying these things because it's all he's got to vent his frustrations on the people running comics today.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:13:49 No.111587503 Report

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>>111587486
Watchmen is clear about this
That superheroes are about white supremacy
This is why there aren´t black heroes in the comics

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:14:10 No.111587511 Report

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>>111586456

Kinda glad Black Manta exists. And to a certain extent, Baxter Stockman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:18:30 No.111587545 Report

Quoted By: >>111587556 >>111587595 >>111587627

>>111587457

Fucking this. EVERY culture has their own superhero myth. Marvel and DC are only the first to capitalize theirs and make money from it globally.

Take Malaysia for example. They have their own version of Hercules who got his super strength from eating the vomit of a water troll.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:19:47 No.111587556 Report

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>>111587545
>They have their own version of Hercules who got his super strength from eating the vomit of a water troll.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:23:43 No.111587595 Report

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>>111587545
american superhero story is are more about policing. so not really

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:25:03 No.111587611 Report

Quoted By: >>111587639 >>111587650 >>111589156

>>111575660
I mean, concept of a masked vigilantism has origins in groups like Ku Klux Klan. First fictional masked vigilante, Scarlet Pimpernel, was explicitly reactionary and opposed French Revolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:26:19 No.111587627 Report

Quoted By: >>111587650 >>111587691 >>111587891

>>111587545
The issue is specifically a MASKED hero. What makes a superhero a superhero is having a dual identity.
The idea of hiding your identity to do justice is basically what KKK does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:28:00 No.111587633 Report

Quoted By:

>>111581003
>Shitlibs BTFO like always

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:28:07 No.111587637 Report

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>>111580624
>>111580587

I mean, the US just changed its stance that Israel building settlements on the occupied land isn't actually a breach of international laws, just to pander to Bibi's base so that Netanyahu could get re-elected (since they're now going to need a third election in a year) as the new Israeli PM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:28:11 No.111587639 Report

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>>111587611
It also has roots in logic. If you're a vigilante you're gonna hide your identity because you're also a criminal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:28:42 No.111587650 Report

Quoted By:

>>111587627
>>111587611

So basically, J Jonah Jameson is right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:33:22 No.111587691 Report

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>>111587627
So did the Highwaymen.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:44:39 No.111587797 Report

Quoted By: >>111587912

>>111587224
Welcome to the White Race!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:47:47 No.111587833 Report

Quoted By:

>>111575660
"white people brainwashed black people into violence"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:54:17 No.111587891 Report

Quoted By:

>>111587627
mask culture is very primitive and seen in nearly every country. its not to hide an identity but to get some super nature power.

you are talking about absolute nonsense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:56:45 No.111587912 Report

Quoted By:

>>111587797
Mexicans aren´t black and they aren´t white too

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:58:02 No.111587921 Report

Quoted By:

>>111581249
>A few years ago, I was in a local rock band called "The Emperors of Ice Cream, "and one of our numbers that always went down very well live, was a thing called, "Mr. A." The beat and the tune of it were completely stolen from "Sister Ray" by the Velvet Underground, but the lyrics were all about Steve Ditko.
>One of the verses was, "He takes a card and shades one-half of it in dark, so he can demonstrate to you just what he means/He says, 'There's wrong and there's right, there's black and there's white, and there is nothing, nothing in-between.' That's what Mr. A says." [laughter] And then we'd go into the chorus. Yeah, it was a Velvet Underground thrash, but with lyrics about Steve Ditko, which were very sympathetic, because at that time, I'd heard that Steve Ditko was pretty much harmless, living at the YMCA or something like that. This was, I think, during Spider-Man's anniversary year, and I thought that was criminal.

https://www.twomorrows.com/comicbookartist/articles/09moore.html

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 07:58:44 No.111587929 Report

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>>111581277
>>111581364
Me am anon me read only funnibook with big punch punch
Me r angry gud riter say mean mean bout men in tights

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 08:05:09 No.111588000 Report

Quoted By: >>111588077

Whieyboi bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 08:14:14 No.111588077 Report

Quoted By:

>>111588000
lllllll

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 08:46:45 No.111588302 Report

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>>111587211
But that Idea falls apart when you consider that a lot of heroes are given powers and don't have Thema drin the beginning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 09:36:19 No.111588644 Report

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>>111577158
Stop doing meth, you are hurting your family.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 10:48:09 No.111589156 Report

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>>111587611
You mean masked identities originated from knights, roman centurios and gladiators.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 11:14:49 No.111589351 Report

Quoted By: >>111589491

>>111587486
Alan Moore was not screwed over. He still gets royalties. He is just a bitter old man because, like a complete rube, he gave away the store. He thought he was smart, thought he was getting one over DC, but it turned out he was the sucker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 11:34:39 No.111589488 Report

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>>111577907
Like I said 99% are about white guys fighting each other, the 1% where a white hero defeats a black villain doesn't mean "thesuper hero genre was born from the white supremacy, as a white supremacist dream."

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 11:35:34 No.111589491 Report

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>>111589351
That is a good point. He is just bitter thathe cant freely work with the characters he created.
But he created them for DC, got paid for his work. He is named as the creator, get royalties. And over a longtime DC refused to do something with watchmen, let other creator work with it.
Sure he kinda is fucked that he cant do something witht hem without DC or can go to another publisher. But still he get less fucked over than other creators.

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