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Would you consider a clone to be a real person?

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 08:10:26 2019 No.110825531 View Reply Original Report

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:12:39 No.110825554 Report

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I don't consider my identical twin to be a real person. His DNA is exactly the same as mine, but I was born first, and that means I'm real and he's fake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:13:45 No.110825567 Report

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>>110825531
Individually speaking, no. They are duplicates of a real person. They mimic the original and thus can never be their own person.

This is also what makes them legally the same person.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:14:33 No.110825579 Report

Quoted By: >>110825606

The body might be identical but the mind will always develop in an unique way so the clone will have a different personality to distinguish it from the original

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:17:12 No.110825606 Report

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>>110825579
No it won't. If its 1:1 recreation of a person than the actions of the clone are the same actions that person would've took had the events of the clone happened to them because your brain is 1:1 and would've made the same choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:17:55 No.110825621 Report

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This scene unnerves and arouses me. She has the physical body of a twenty something, and she's sexually active going by what that reporter said. But she still has the mind of a child. And for all her power she seems incredibly lonely. Does it even occur to Hamilton that she might have some need for familial affection?

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:19:23 No.110825638 Report

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>>110825531
Clones would be just as real as a naturally born human, if we're talking about scientifically accurate clones, rather than some kind of exact replica, meaning
>>110825567
>they mimic the original
>This is also what makes them legally the same person.
Is completely wrong. Only the genetics are the same. Their personhood is defined by their own individual experience as well as their genetic code. Their own thoughts and emotions, which may have some similarity to their source, won't ever be identical.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:19:28 No.110825639 Report

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>>110825554
Confirmed for evil twin

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:22:32 No.110825679 Report

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>>110825531
Only if they were made with purpose, humans grow and find a purpose sometimes great and sometimes simple and even if its shitty at least they do their part, anyone that doesn't is just garbage in everyone's way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:23:37 No.110825690 Report

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>>110825606
Incorrect.
People make decisions based on information previously provided to them. There is a level of instinctiveness to the interpretation and application of this knowledge that is determined by a person's genetic nature, but a clone who is raised in a completely different environment than their progenitor would naturally act and behave differently unless they came with all of the progenitor's memories and experiences.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:25:26 No.110825718 Report

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>>110825606
>1:1 recreation of a person than the actions of the clone are the same actions that person would've took
That's not a clone. Honestly, this thread reminds me of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMt9E85geUI&t=13s

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:30:55 No.110825790 Report

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>>110825531
If they can think feel and make choices of their own violation that difer from their stock person than yes they are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:33:00 No.110825804 Report

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1:1 clones are impossible. They may be physically identical but mentally it only has its own experiences.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:36:40 No.110825852 Report

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>>110825531
Well unlike Kojima I consider Solid Snake to be a real person and 10 times the man that Big Boss ever was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:38:20 No.110825870 Report

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>can create clones with a "puppet mode"
>Doesn't spread sexual sleeper agents across the globe to seduce enemies, spy on rich and powerful

They're sitting on a gold mine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:38:22 No.110825871 Report

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>>110825531
A real clone is 100% thier own person.
A magical same-age replica with all the memories and experiences of the original that's called a "clone" in capeshit is still their own person from the moment they have their first thought that wasn't explicitly imprinted into them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:39:36 No.110825887 Report

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>>110825852
I'm not that knowledgeable on Metal Gear lore, Kojima says that Solid Snake isn't a "real person"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:42:06 No.110825903 Report

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>>110825887
I am pretty sure he said that Solid Snake 'isn't really a person anyway' when he started making it all about Big Boss but maybe my memory is hazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:43:42 No.110825916 Report

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>>110825531
does the clone have the same memories?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:46:56 No.110825937 Report

Quoted By: >>110825980

People are formed more by Enviroment than nature, nature is still a core component but evidence has shown enviromental factors play more of a roll in who & what a person becomes.

Also their is a legitimate evil gene thats linked to a tendency for antisocial behaviorNo its not it exclusively orpredominantly inherent in gays or blacks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:49:30 No.110825955 Report

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>>110825531
i think twins are like natures clones so yes,i dont think about it too much

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:51:42 No.110825980 Report

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>>110825937
>Also their is a legitimate evil gene thats linked to a tendency for antisocial behavior
There's also brain proportions that lead to violent behavior IE larger proportioned R-brain and yes, this is almost exclusive to blacks and men as a whole in general

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:53:12 No.110825992 Report

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>>110825980
Gender dimorphism be a bitch

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:58:41 No.110826039 Report

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>>110825621
Not until she hugs him and makes him realize what a monster he is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:00:15 No.110826058 Report

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>>110825531
My policy is “what authority do I have to claim I have a soul or am a real person? What right do I have to judge others to also be so lacking?”

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:04:44 No.110826089 Report

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>>110825606
It stops being 1:1 at the moment the clone is created and the experience of the clone and the source diverge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:16:11 No.110826183 Report

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>>110825887
He said that in an interview. He said Solid wasn't a real human because he was a clone. Only Big Boss is human and has human emotions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:24:23 No.110826243 Report

Quoted By: >>110826286

Its not a clone if all it has is 1:1 of your DNA.

If it doesn't have the same memories or experiences or emotions than its just some weird biological cell that you need to fight to the death with since its your walking cancer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:25:57 No.110826254 Report

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>>110826183
>Only Big Boss is human and has human emotions.
That seems like a major retcon, right? That because Solid Snake is a clone, he doesn't have real emotions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:27:52 No.110826275 Report

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>>110826254
Clones don't have emotions bro. They're duplicates everything about them is fake and they can never surpass the original.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:29:44 No.110826286 Report

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>>110826243
>Its not a clone if all it has is 1:1 of your DNA.
Brudda, that's literally what a clone is. What you described here
>If it doesn't have the same memories or experiences or emotions than its just some weird biological cell that you need to fight to the death with since its your walking cancer.
I don't even know what you're on about. A walking cancer? No, they're a separate entity with identical genetic code, like an identical twin. There's no reason to kill them. And "same memories and experiences" is only in stories, like movies or video games. Clones don't have to have those things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:30:46 No.110826291 Report

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>>110826275
What an absurd statement. Nothing you posted has any evidence for it. You do realize a clone is an actual thing in real life, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:34:31 No.110826312 Report

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Yes, they’re literally a real person

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:35:33 No.110826320 Report

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>>110826275
The fuck? There have been natural clones in the form of twins (or more rarely triplets etc) for a long time. There are also real life science-made "artifical" clones of various organisms. Clones just have identical DNA. Actually a clone will be even more different than a natural twin if it doesn't share epigenetics and environment.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 11:39:12 No.110827036 Report

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Clones? Yes.
Robots and androids? No.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 13:40:54 No.110827999 Report

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>>110825531
Absolutely.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 13:42:06 No.110828011 Report

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>>110825567
the very moment that person steps outside the cloning chambers makes him already a different person than you.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 14:06:04 No.110828229 Report

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>>110827036

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 14:08:54 No.110828265 Report

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>>110825554
>implying you aren't just the beta test

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 14:09:28 No.110828269 Report

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>>110825531

How would a clone not be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 14:12:04 No.110828294 Report

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>>110826275

Your trolling is crude but effective.

>>110827036
>Robots and androids? No.

Debatable. What is the criterion?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 14:32:47 No.110828498 Report

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Of course. They are just a person as a test tube baby. They just have the same genetic makeup as the original.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 14:36:52 No.110828546 Report

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Being born the old fashioned way is overrated, take it from someone who came out the womb with the umbilical cord wrapped around his throat.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 14:43:27 No.110828601 Report

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>>110825531
A clone is just a human born through different means with an older twin.
They're as human as we are, only reason that isn't obvious to people is bad tropes and religion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 15:32:05 No.110829011 Report

Quoted By: >>110829059

Clones always try to kill the person they were made from, fuck 'em.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 15:36:17 No.110829059 Report

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>>110829011
>fuck 'em
To assert dominance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 15:38:04 No.110829079 Report

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>>110825606
You do realize that you are not preprogrammed to make certain choices right? You're brain is much more complex than that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 15:41:15 No.110829119 Report

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>>110825606
No, they would only be the same if they had the memories of the original. A clone would look the same and be genetically the same, but it's life experiences would be different, and therefore it's personality would be shaped differently.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 15:46:18 No.110829178 Report

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Clones are different people because at one point or another the start acting differently than the original because of different conditioning/environment. A clone has free will and the ability to make their own choices, but more importantly, can make different decisions than the original. In fact they're more likely to act different/try new things for a sense of identity. Galatea certainly wasn't a 1:1 copy of Kara

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