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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 22:09:14 2019 No.110407003 View Reply Original Report

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Since a lot of us complain about Tom King and how he's ruined characters like Mister Miracle and Batman, what are some characters he could potentially write really well?
>The Winter Soldier

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:10:06 No.110407023 Report

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Mister Miracle and Vision were great under him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:12:11 No.110407069 Report

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Resurrection Man so he can have him kill himself over and over again forever

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:13:00 No.110407090 Report

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>>110407003
>ruined Mr Miracle
I disagree.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:13:26 No.110407100 Report

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>>110407003
It may have been a fluke, but his Darkseid War tie-in with Hal was great.
>>110407023
His Mister Miracle was crap, stop being a damn sheep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:14:38 No.110407126 Report

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>>110407023
>>110407090
Huh, I didn't know a lot of people here liked it. Most of what I hear from /co/ is that it wasn't very good, and a borderline character-assassinated Orion.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:18:07 No.110407192 Report

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>>110407100
no u

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:19:26 No.110407226 Report

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I don't think he ruins characters.
>inb4 wallyfags
Bringing Wally back from the pre-Flashpoint universe was a mistake akin to shoving a square peg though a round hole.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:19:30 No.110407227 Report

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>>110407126
It was enjoyable for what it was. I’m not super familiar with the new gods outside of when they appear in other things.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:20:57 No.110407255 Report

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>>110407126
>a borderline character-assassinated Orion.
But that was the point, it was the omega sanction and not the real Orion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:21:46 No.110407279 Report

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>>110407227
I see.
>People not familiar with New Gods will love it.
>Those that are familiar with New Gods will despise it.
So about the same as Jim Starlin's New Gods then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:22:23 No.110407291 Report

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>>110407126
Some autist on /co/ will start a personal crusade against any big writer working on DC, is harder to detect him on Bendis or King threads since those writers are suffering negative reception fromt the public right now but his autism is pretty clear on Morrison and Tomasi threads.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:22:53 No.110407303 Report

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>>110407126
I'm in that boat. Personally I found King's Mister Miracle pretentious, not really offering anything new to the PTSD conversation. And I'm sorry, but I do not agree with Scott willingly choosing to be trapped in a fake reality because of MUH DEPRESSION. This was the start of King's attention whore driven writing that's fucked over Batman for some time. Vision only really worked because the family Vision made had a hell of a time dealing with emotions, because they're fabricated. I don't think King fully understands what the hell he's talking about half the time. In fact most of the praise comes from anyone who claps at mental illness merely being mentioned, and unfamiliar readers who've never read New Gods/4 World like >>110407227
>>110407255
"It's all a dream" and "Its not really __" is weak, sir. Just saying

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:23:48 No.110407326 Report

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>>110407279
Pretty much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:31:25 No.110407482 Report

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>>110407303
>"It's all a dream" and "Its not really __" is weak, sir. Just saying
Weak? It's the fucking plot. It's not character assassination if it's not the character.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:32:43 No.110407508 Report

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>>110407303
>It's all a dream" and "Its not really __" is weak, sir
Well labeling it as character assassination is even weaker as it's being willfully obtuse. The story made it clear from the get go that this was a Darkseid ruled reality. If you're mad that the comics showed orion being a dick than you missed the point completely.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:36:02 No.110407570 Report

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>>110407003
He should write The Flash with Wally West as the main character just so Wallyfags would suffer more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:37:45 No.110407607 Report

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>>110407482
>>110407508
I never said I was mad about the Orion thing. Sorry if that wasn't clear. However, I stand by what I said about Scott's choices in the book. I'm not trying to be obtuse, I gave King credit for The Visions and that Green Lantern tie-in. He also did okay with that Elmer Fudd/Batman one off, and that Batman/Swamp Thing crossover.

King just has a bad habit of being stuck up his own ass. He can write decent stories

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:38:57 No.110407636 Report

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>>110407003
Superman: Up in the Sky is pretty great

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:42:28 No.110407731 Report

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>>110407607
I saw Scott's choice as pretty zen escape master to be honest. In the end he wasn't really trapped by the omega sanction, he escaped it the seemingly never ending cycle of conflict and had the domestic life he always wanted.
>but it's not real anon
What is really real?

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:44:43 No.110407785 Report

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>>110407731
I disagree. Choosing to escape reality into a fantasy is just another prison. Scott endured hell on Apokolips for years under the foot of Granny Goodness, and knew what true freedom was. This "life is hard" bullshit doesn't fly with me. If Tom King really wanted to explore escapism via dream world, he should have done done something with The Mad Hatter

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:46:02 No.110407816 Report

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>>110407003
Unironically Darth Vader

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:49:04 No.110407881 Report

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>>110407785
It's not a prison if you're not trapped there.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:49:36 No.110407892 Report

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>>110407785
>Choosing to escape reality into a fantasy is just another prison.
Again, what's really real? It's not like a VR headset but layered reality where we have to accept that the world we normally see Scott in is no more real than the one we saw in Mister Miracle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:51:06 No.110407927 Report

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>>110407881
I don't believe in Scott Free taking the easy way out
>>110407892
Yeah I'm not buying your Matrix bullshit, no offense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:52:39 No.110407956 Report

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I want a DC black label 12 issue series where Scott and Big Barda just fuck for 12 issues straight and Scott comes so hard he resets the DC continuity.

Crisis on two balls

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:55:06 No.110408017 Report

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>>110407279
>Those that are familiar with New Gods will despise it.
I didn't despise it per se, technically speaking the story is well crafted where there's this whole sense of uneasiness that ratchets up the tension in a clear escalating manner and I perfer a morose Scott as oppose to a Scott that acts like a spider-man lite.
My biggest complaint is that King isn't that adept with his kirbyisms like the mention of Bernadeth's farhen-knife being a bone from Darkseid or Marrowwine, a wine fermented from the marrows of gods. That seems more Warhammer Grimdark than psychedelic Kirby.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 22:58:32 No.110408100 Report

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>>110407927
Easy way out? He defeated darkseid in a reality where he was GOD.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 23:01:21 No.110408171 Report

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>>110407927
>Yeah I'm not buying your Matrix bullshit, no offense.
No offense but that's what makes you an obtuse idiot. You cannot ignore central themes like this.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 23:03:37 No.110408219 Report

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>>110408171
I'm not being obtuse, I just don't like it. It's an opinion, just like yours is to like King's Mister Miracle. I just don't agree with it. Why are you acting like I'm one of the dime a dozen idiots on here who pretend a writer never wrote anything good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 23:15:19 No.110408511 Report

Quoted By: >>110408543

>>110408219
Because you're making complaints that are factually invalid. Just say you don't like a thing, don't make up reasons to justify it.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 23:16:44 No.110408543 Report

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>>110408511
>making complaints that are factually invalid
Um....alright? Whatever you say.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 23:18:32 No.110408593 Report

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>>110407003
An suicidal ex-CIA guy who helped his bosses bring endless chaos to a quarter of the planet, and then he ruined Batman

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 23:24:15 No.110408725 Report

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>>110407023
>>110407090
>Le contrarians
Kys

>>110407291
>Le boogieman
Make it a double. Kys

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 23:25:18 No.110408756 Report

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>>110407003
He should write himself into inpatient therapy

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Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 23:54:55 No.110409486 Report

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Since he loves PTSD shit, how about a character where it’s appropriate, Sgt. Rock, Rick Flagg, and I could go on

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Sep 2019 23:57:13 No.110409541 Report

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>>110407023
Vision sure. Mister Miracle was the most pretentious pseudo-intellectual shit I've read in years. You tell after Vision his ego went out of control.

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