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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 14:46:24 2019 No.108317705 View Reply Original Report

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Who is the most nerfed Marvel character? I can't decide between Thor and Strange

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 14:48:16 No.108317729 Report

Quoted By: >>108317860 >>108317979

Namor

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 14:50:06 No.108317753 Report

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>>108317705
Modern Marvel characters have actually been buffed up to near pre-Crisis DC levels but in exchange for a weakness to political correctness.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 14:53:49 No.108317793 Report

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>>108317705
I would say Odin since he not only god beat by Thor without Mjolnir but also took an L from some random Dark Elfs. Black Bolt is also another one I put in the Nerf party since Modern Marvel writes seem to just think he has one power (and that power is now gone)

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 14:54:12 No.108317798 Report

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>>108317753
Bullshit. Even Jane Thor was weaker than pre 90s Thor

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 14:58:15 No.108317860 Report

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>>108317729

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 14:59:03 No.108317866 Report

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>>108317705
ghost rider?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:03:00 No.108317913 Report

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>>108317705
Is current Strange really that nerfed though?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:03:17 No.108317916 Report

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>>108317860
Mainly what I was referring to, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:06:28 No.108317959 Report

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>>108317913
Right, his power level seems pretty close to classic levels in Waid’s run

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:06:33 No.108317961 Report

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>>108317705
Thor. Before he could go up against Celestials, now he’s still pretty powerful but a far cry from his old self

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:07:57 No.108317979 Report

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>>108317729
>Namor
Fucker got buffed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:08:58 No.108317990 Report

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>>108317913
More like Nightmare has been nerfed into a comedy jobber.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:10:11 No.108318009 Report

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>>108317990
suits him just fine

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:12:53 No.108318043 Report

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>>108317913
Yes. Also nearly all of the old cosmic, demonic, and eldritch beings. They now usually go and job to whatever new big bad comes around to show how big its dick is. They're practically useless at this point

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:14:25 No.108318063 Report

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>>108318043
This happens almost every event, even back in the old days

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:15:30 No.108318079 Report

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>>108317990
Nigga got beaten by Dyspare, wouldn't say he's nerfed by much

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:19:30 No.108318140 Report

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>>108318063
You'd think by now they stop. You see these beings get their butts handed so much that you wonder why some comics make a big deal when they get their shit pushed in.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:21:25 No.108318163 Report

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>>108318140
One of the reason why I hate Ewing and Cates.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:22:35 No.108318180 Report

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>>108318140
It works to as an easy way establish the new big bad's power level, but it's still a big deal when Wanda fucks up Chthon because Wanda isn't previously established as being obviously stronger

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:27:19 No.108318242 Report

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>>108318180
She had beaten him several times in the past right? Or was that recent thing?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:27:36 No.108318243 Report

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>>108318163
The fuck? Hating Cates is one thing, but Ewing? The fuck outta here for comparing him with that other hack. Cates is the one who made Thanos beat the Living Tribunal without explanation and who made a character like Cosmic Ghost Rider.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:28:08 No.108318248 Report

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>>108317705
Odin and Hela have been nerfed even more than Thor, a fragment of Odin's soul created by Hela was a universal threat once upon a time.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:29:42 No.108318266 Report

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>>108318243
>Cates is the one who made Thanos beat the Living Tribunal without explanation
Hey hey hey, don't forget Starlin

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:30:35 No.108318274 Report

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>>108318243
Fuck Ewing and oversized head and his cosmic shit.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:32:02 No.108318288 Report

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>>108318266
Didn't Ewing have LT job to master order and lord chaos?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:33:17 No.108318306 Report

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>>108318274
So you hate cosmic Marvel in principle then? You're a brainlet.
>>108318266
Even Starlin explained how it happened and made Thanos irrevocably is own foil (even as time passes). Cates completely misunderstood the character Ava made it so only he would lose to another version of himself.
>>108318288
Technically at that point they were equals because the multiverse was in flux. It's not that they beat TLT anyway, they replaced it by creating another hierarchy.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:36:46 No.108318342 Report

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>>108318306
>Technically at that point they were equals because the multiverse was in flux. It's not that they beat TLT anyway, they replaced it by creating another hierarchy.
Ewing hierarchy that exacerbates a existing problem.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:39:16 No.108318373 Report

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>>108318306
>So you hate cosmic Marvel in principle then? You're a brainlet
You elevate him to that level? You people need to wipe his dick cheese off your mouth's

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:40:04 No.108318385 Report

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>>108318342
And what is the "existing problem"?
All he did was create another"villain" by fusing Chaos & Order with the In-Betweener temporarily, to create Logos (who also has a very explicit role in philosophical terms).

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:40:24 No.108318390 Report

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>>108317990
Nah, he always had limited power when he didn't have complete or at least partial control over those in his realm, or when people aren't nightmar-ing right. Makes sense that as Strange gets more experienced. he is less able to handle him

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:40:38 No.108318393 Report

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>>108318373
??? That's cosmic Marvel by definition. What the fuck?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 15:50:50 No.108318536 Report

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 17:31:30 No.108319815 Report

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>>108317866
Penance :Stare is always a letdown lately

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 17:38:45 No.108319905 Report

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>>108317705
Dr Strange isn't nerfed as much as he just loses his magic over and over again in almost every story of the last 6-7 years.

Thor is not alone there, all gods are nerfed down to somewhat strong guys that can at times do some magic. Odin is getting his ass kicked and needing Iron Man armor to be effective in fights. When in the 60s through 80s he was a cosmic force that could control reality on a whim. Thor without mjolnir is just a bumbling strong guy that gets limbs hacked off. And nearly everyone else is just a guy with a sword.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 17:57:52 No.108320158 Report

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I really hate how much Marvel has nerfed everything in general to be more like the MCU. Thor in the current comics can’t even survive being inside the sun for some reason, despite multiple comics where he’s shown punching people inside fucking stars. I was surprised how Ultron, Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock survived a planet exploding in their faces during that whole Infinity Countdown shit. I thought they would’ve been nerfed, too.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 18:00:00 No.108320195 Report

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Like it or not, THIS is how you nerf a character properly.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 18:01:38 No.108320223 Report

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>>108320158
Surfer was defeated by Ultron in that too

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 18:01:57 No.108320228 Report

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>>108318536
Good, he's a shit character

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 18:32:54 No.108320672 Report

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Black Bolt not only voice department but the number of abilities as well. He is lucky to shoot beams in modern comics back in the day he could pretty much pull a new ability out of his ass twice a day.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 18:34:16 No.108320698 Report

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>>108320672
some of them were weird

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 18:35:18 No.108320714 Report

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>>108320698
Matter manipulation suffered the most

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 18:36:20 No.108320733 Report

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>>108320714
You could argue manipulating matter and energy was a better power than the voice.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 18:37:18 No.108320750 Report

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>>108320672
It was all related to his control over electrons. Which was basically his version of power cosmic and meant he can manipulate reality in whatever way he wanted.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 18:39:21 No.108320778 Report

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>>108320672
These days he sometimes is not even a flying brick. He just has a sonic scream.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 19:18:58 No.108321339 Report

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>>108320750
>basically his version of power cosmic and meant he can manipulate reality in whatever way he wanted.
This

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 20:35:54 No.108322411 Report

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Odin used to do abstract-level stuff in comparison to his present version who can't even lift Mjolnir.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 20:45:46 No.108322584 Report

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>>108317979
So buffed to his WW2 levels?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 21:57:00 No.108323737 Report

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>>108320672
Again, this is Cates' fault, both Ewing and Ahmed remembered and used his powers at their full extent even. You guys keep talking about how they're "nerfed" but never mention explicitly since when they've been like that nor who started it. IT WAS CATES.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 22:01:15 No.108323793 Report

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>>108318536
But he literally just achieved peak performance

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 22:06:56 No.108323860 Report

Quoted By: >>108323872 >>108324195

>>108317705
Ewing nerfed POD very hard
>took down a team of Avengers including Thor and Hyperion
>jobs to Quake and to the Maker

Hellion got nerfed to
>Got from high level tk, very powerful and precise, to only able to do some "pew pew pew" useless attacks

If we're talking nerves from the past, the biggest one is probably David Hasseloff who has gone from TOAO level to Galactus level to being owned by Thanos

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 22:07:59 No.108323872 Report

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>>108323860
>TOAO
I mean TOAA, The One Above All

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 22:10:42 No.108323912 Report

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>>108317705
When was the last time Thor used the God-Blast?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 22:15:42 No.108323994 Report

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>>108323737
Ewing didn't do all the much with Black Bolt, he only wrote him in prime and Judgement day. As for the nerf Black Bolt forgot matter manipulation after Jenkins inhumans ended. Then his voice went from rarely used to happened in every story. Only D&A remember energy manipulation for the Vulcan fight. The nerf just got worse when he came back from the fault. Hickman spammed his voice but at least he weakened in story. Soule spammed his voice even harder but unlike Hickman he didn't give a reason for people to survive it. Black Bolt also got beat up or captured constantly and those two loses to Emma frost. Cates is the worst offender but he isn't the first, Ahmed was just a failed attempt at turning the ship around.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 22:21:15 No.108324108 Report

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>>108323994
>Ahmed was just a failed attempt at turning the ship around.
The fuck, he wasn't. What a ridiculous statement that tells me you didn't even read the series. He's the one who treated him the better after Soule's runs.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 22:25:52 No.108324195 Report

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>>108323860
Who the fuck are POD and David Hasselhoff? Mind writing your post again without codenames and winks this time?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 22:27:40 No.108324229 Report

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>>108324108
That is exactly my implication anon. He tried to correct how people were writing Black Bolt only for the next writer(cates) to ignore everything he did both in terms of abilities and his character.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 22:29:10 No.108324262 Report

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>>108324229
Then that's on Cates, why even claim Ahmed was a failure? That's what I'm criticizing, it's not his fault Cates doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 22:29:42 No.108324267 Report

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>>108324195
POD is the one eyed robot Hickman made. I think David hasselhoff is suppose to be the original beyonder

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 22:33:12 No.108324341 Report

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>>108324267
It's called "Pod" then, not POD for one thing. And the Beyonder wasn't really "nerfed" as much as it was turned into something much more powerful, part of a whole race outside the multiverse.

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