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Anonymous Tue 07 May 06:41:23 2019 No.107428367 View Reply Original Report

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>Get job as artist
>be working at company for a few years
>Read lots of new books, especially ones by Ayn Rand
>Become objectivist
>Nothing is fair nor should it be fair and everything is decided on your entrisic value
>new writer comes in
>says he has some great ideas
>starts working on a Justice League rip off
>does well
>Gets asked to do it again
>He asks if I can help
>fuck it
>help him make a comic about some weird spider-man spiderman... not really sure how to spell it...
>it makes bank
>keep helping him make the comics. Even help him make a few more characters.
>spider-man becomes biggest thing in comics, and is worth a lot of money
>I thought most people would recognize my work as the artist and be handing me better paying jobs
>this writer has been doing some serious PR work though and is basically the face of the company
>No one knows who I am or that I designed and drew a majority of the comic
>remember I am an objectivist
>Nothing is fair nor should it be fair and everything is decided on your entrisic value...
>This writer has more value than me...
>...
>goddamnit...

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 06:45:29 No.107428404 Report

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>could be worse...
>could be way... way worse...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 06:57:45 No.107428500 Report

Quoted By: >>107428531 >>107428533 >>107428556 >>107428608 >>107428840 >>107429173 >>107429801

>>107428367
>Nothing is fair nor should it be fair and everything is decided on your entrisic value
Off topic, but as someone unfamiliar, this just sounds like a classic edgelord logic. Is that what objectivism is about?

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 07:01:03 No.107428531 Report

Quoted By: >>107429291

>>107428500
>this just sounds like a classic edgelord logic. Is that what objectivism is about?
A bit, I think. It also allows for slacking off if you can get away with it, which Ditko did a lot of later in life. Cause fuck those guys, the inker can fill in my scribbles and the book will still say "drawn by Steve Ditko".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 07:01:04 No.107428533 Report

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>>107428500
Pretty much. People who subscribe to objectivism automatically think they are worth more than anyone and everyone. They never stop to think that they are worthless or not worth anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 07:03:03 No.107428556 Report

Quoted By: >>107428936

>>107428367
>>107428500
Nothing about the essence of objectivism suggests that you should just let corporations and companies butt-fuck you, but in practice it devolves to that end anyway and hardcore uncompromising objectivists like Ditko are the ones who end up suffering the most for their ideology. It's got that in common with communism.

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 07:08:44 No.107428608 Report

Quoted By: >>107428622

>>107428500
It was created by a total asshole to paint her being an asshole as a good thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 07:10:14 No.107428622 Report

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>>107428608
Yeah, I wish I had thought of it first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 07:29:40 No.107428796 Report

Quoted By: >>107428820 >>107428930

>>107428404
What did Bill do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 07:33:34 No.107428820 Report

Quoted By: >>107428894

>>107428796
it's pretty blackpilled let's just say being a socially avoidant autist who refused all interviews and self promotion being upset at Stan Lee is pretty mild in comparison

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 07:36:39 No.107428840 Report

Quoted By: >>107430129

>>107428500
Friendly reminder that this sort of "edgelord logic" is merely a term for unadulterated hard facts about life that people pretend are not the case to make themselves feel better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 07:42:01 No.107428894 Report

Quoted By: >>107428950 >>107429034

>>107428820
Sounds interesting is there someplace where i can read more about him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 07:45:33 No.107428930 Report

Quoted By: >>107428950

>>107428796
Created Batman and then got straight cucked by Bob Kane.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 07:46:14 No.107428936 Report

Quoted By: >>107429064 >>107429321

>>107428556
>Nothing about the essence of objectivism suggests that you should just let corporations and companies butt-fuck you
Nobody forcefully made Steve Ditko sign a work for hire contract

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 07:47:45 No.107428950 Report

Quoted By: >>107429071

>>107428894
>>107428930

>Created Batman
>Get cucked out of all credit by Bob Kane
>slave away making uncredited Batman comics until being put away in an old folks home in the late 60s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 07:47:56 No.107428953 Report

Quoted By: >>107429064

>>107428367
Serves him right for following a capitalistcuck philosophy that he got captialism-cucked, I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 07:56:44 No.107429034 Report

Quoted By: >>107430134

>>107428894
There's a book AND a movie based on the book called Batman and Bill. I haven't read the book but the documentary is pretty good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:01:09 No.107429064 Report

Quoted By: >>107429072 >>107429085

>>107428953
>>107428936
>Nobody forcefully made Steve Ditko sign a work for hire contract
What were his options as a comic artist at the time? Cause I think they were pretty shit options.

Steve was actually pretty weird as an Objectivist anyway, as he believed in HEROES, and I don't think many Objectivists thing about heroes outside of themselves. Apparently he was also a huge fanboy of the police, and wished he could go out and beat up criminals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:02:06 No.107429071 Report

Quoted By: >>107429075

>>107428950
Don't forget
>only son is a faggot that will eventually die of AIDS
Poor Bill, I feel really bad for the guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:02:10 No.107429072 Report

Quoted By: >>107429153

>>107429064
None of what you say go particularly against objectivism, and he was an illustrator, not a comic artist. Plenty of people droped the industry and lever looked back after the Kefauver hearings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:03:13 No.107429075 Report

Quoted By: >>107429108

>>107429071
You mean the guy who gave him a granddaughter (he didn't know, but still) and defended his name until his strenght allowed him to, which is actually more than your sorry ass will ever do for you or your parents?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:04:20 No.107429085 Report

Quoted By: >>107429153 >>107429321

>>107429064
I get that, but you can't sign a contract and then get pissed off at the terms of the contract you signed. There was plenty of work for illustrators in the 60s that paid a lot better than comic books. He had options.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:07:00 No.107429108 Report

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>>107429075
Calm down Athena, I'm sorry your father was never there for you, and decided to go to New York to die surrounded by his butt buddies instead of at home with you and your mother.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:12:22 No.107429153 Report

Quoted By: >>107429221 >>107429265 >>107429491

>>107429072
>and he was an illustrator
>>107429085
>There was plenty of work for illustrators in the 60s that paid a lot better than comic books
Who cares about illustrators from the 60s? Seriously? As a comic creator, making some of the most popular characters, he was having a bigger impact on people than guys making more money than him. Most people who drew comics have better options than comics, but they want to draw comics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:15:11 No.107429173 Report

Quoted By: >>107429265

>>107428500
Not exactly, it's just one of the facets of objectivism. It's core value is individualism and not sacrificing the individual for the collective, in terms of both people and rights.
To a point this does mean no one owes you anything, be it success, wealth or recognition. You have to fight for all of those, and if you're not skilled/talented/connected enough, that's it. Some people think they are owed a job or wealth or success, and these people tend to become bitter. They also tend to vote for over-reaching government laws being put into place.
Ditko didn't market himself because he believed in a day's pay for a day's work. That isn't against objectivist principles, but some objectivists would consider it impractical.
In essence, Ayn Rand is Nietzsche Lite, who in turn was Max Stirner Lite, who in turn could be argued was the anarchist version of Machiavelli.

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:18:16 No.107429204 Report

Quoted By: >>107429268 >>107429357

>>107428367
Can we just agree that Stan did mistakes but he is nothing like Bob Kane.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:20:25 No.107429221 Report

Quoted By: >>107429244

>>107429153
He should have self published then instead of signing a work for hire contract knowing that the characters he created would never belong to him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:23:14 No.107429244 Report

Quoted By: >>107429259 >>107429322

>>107429221
>He should have self published
Oh, spoiled children, thinking a mutha fucker could do that in the 60s!

He did later in life though, but the indie scene didn't take off much until the 70s and after. I mean, I assume he owned Mr. A until his dying day.

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:23:56 No.107429250 Report

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>>107428367
At least he had the GOAT spidey character named after him

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:24:29 No.107429259 Report

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>>107429244
I think he did, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:25:42 No.107429265 Report

Quoted By: >>107429299

>>107429173
Do not sully Nietzsche's and Sankt Max's names with retarded "american exceptionalism but this time it's legitimate because that cunt is russian"
>>107429153
What the fuck are you rambling about you fucking spastic, comics were far from respectable, profitable or well-regarded during the time Ditko was writing mainstream stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:25:53 No.107429268 Report

Quoted By: >>107429322

>>107429204
Stan took 50% of the credit, sometimes questionably so.

Kane arguably did less than Stan ever did, and took 100% credit as often as possible. While ripping off other artists late into his life. So yeah, there is a wide power gap there.

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:28:33 No.107429290 Report

Quoted By: >>107429322

Well I mean, he did create Mr. A in 1967 for an underground comic book, a character he controlled the rights to his entire life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:28:53 No.107429291 Report

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>>107428531
yeah people really should not keep Squirrel Girl's debut design in mind when drawing her as Ditko was clearly half-assing it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:30:01 No.107429299 Report

Quoted By: >>107429322 >>107429355

>>107429265
Having lived in Europe all my life, and seeing the shit that happens in the rest of the world, and having talked to Yanks, I can say American Exceptionalism isn't without basis.
Europeans want unlimited rights and freedoms, but not for the other guys, the one's they don't like. They also want an eternal parental figure to dole out justice so the populace doesn't have to think about what's right and wrong. And Asia, Africa, South America and Australia are shitholes to whom man's rights are just words akin to "lustrous pendant".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:32:38 No.107429321 Report

Quoted By: >>107429356

>>107428936
>>107429085
The nature of capitalist contracts is almost never in favor of the individual and almost always in favor of the company. The idea that "you sign the contract so you consent" is an amendment to objectivism, not the original spirit that drew in people like Ditko. Equal value trade should be a given agreement between both parties, something that is never the case in contracts and is also the first thing that goes out the window when law and regulation are disbanded.
As another anon said Ditko was very very big on the nature of the law and justice and how mercy and altruism compromise those, but was - as many objectivists are - blindsided by the fact that no-one would ever acknowledge justice without altruism in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:32:44 No.107429322 Report

Quoted By: >>107429386

>>107429268
From the 60s onwards, Lee was at least somewhat partial to creator's rights. Bob Kane literally went out of his way to burn Bill Finger, Jerry Robinson, Joe Siegel and Jerry Shuster
>>107429244
>>107429290
By the point Mr. A was coming out, there was very much at least the beginning of self-publishing and an indie market, but of course he refused to relate to "those people"
>>107429299
Yeah maybe because fucking America has been poisoning the well of human discourse for 50 years with their propaganda at this point. Also, I have to think you're a little biased when you say something like "Europeans want unlimited rights and freedoms, but not for the other guys, the one's they don't like", this is a very american way of framing things. I don't know where you lived in Europe, but there is a very clear hobbesian bent in how they see society as a sum of it's parts in the places I've been to (Spain, France and Portugal), or at least there was up until the 10s when shit began hitting the fan (thanks to american economy, of course).

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:37:40 No.107429355 Report

Quoted By: >>107429400

>>107429299
>They also want an eternal parental figure to dole out justice so the populace doesn't have to think about what's right and wrong.
This is because Europe has existed for thousands of years and have come to accept the possibility that the populace CANNOT think about what's right and wrong. Whereas Americans are the runaway rebel teenagers that ended up adsorbing all of our worst ideas anyway and pretend that they've got moral agency on an individual basis, but take to screeching partisan tribalism whenever anything that they don't like happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:37:47 No.107429356 Report

Quoted By: >>107429398

>>107429321
>The nature of capitalist contracts is almost never in favor of the individual and almost always in favor of the company.
Of course it is, the individual is not the one financing and distributing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:37:51 No.107429357 Report

Quoted By: >>107429391 >>107429508

>>107429204
>He's a horrid sub human but at least he isn't Hitler!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:41:23 No.107429386 Report

Quoted By: >>107430255

>>107429322
>America has been poisoning the well of human discourse for 50 years with their propaganda at this point.
>Muh Murrican Baba Yaga
See, I can use buzzwords too? What do you mean by propaganda? Hollywood movies and TV shows? Those wouldn't be a problem if people turned off their TVs, and even despite the "propaganda", most people I talk to hold some amount of disdain (if not loathing) for America so if there is propaganda, it sure as shit ain't working.
I summed it up as rights and freedoms because I'm typing on my phone and it encapsulates what I mean. Everyone wants to be given rights to things people used to earn (housing, money, food, etc.) and the freedom to do as they wish, so long as their enemy (the conservative, the liberal, the whoever) doesn't get the same right.
While they do see society as a sum of its parts, they also view society as above the individuals who make it up, as if society can function without taking care not to ill-treat the individual.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:42:19 No.107429391 Report

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>>107429357
>He's a horrid sub human
He's not though, he has always given his co creators credit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:43:06 No.107429398 Report

Quoted By: >>107429405

>>107429356
That's irrelevant. The individual is an end unto himself and compromising that is unacceptable to most classic liberal mindsets, not just objectivism. It's only nowadays that people consider the world to divide into those who kowtow to corporations and those who bend over for governments, things used to be more optimistic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:43:40 No.107429400 Report

Quoted By: >>107429447

>>107429355
The populace DOESN'T WANT to think about what's right and wrong and take the responsibility such thoughts bring. It's a way of life that rewards apathy passing the buck in the face of personal challenges.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:44:23 No.107429405 Report

Quoted By: >>107429442 >>107429478

>>107429398
If you can finance and distribute it yourself, go for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:49:53 No.107429442 Report

Quoted By: >>107429478

>>107429405
>If you can finance and distribute it yourself, go for it.
Yeah, I don't know what other anon is going on about "nowadays". As far as self publishing, we have options and chances that Ditko didn't get to see for decades. Despite all the doom and gloom people try to sell, if you are decent and can market yourself, you can probably get a modest crowdfunding to get a book off the ground. A book you own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:50:48 No.107429447 Report

Quoted By: >>107429488

>>107429400
And it's a way of life that has kept Europeans sane throughout most of history, with brief lapses of judgement that were mostly corrected by having a few wars and epidemics. The issue is democracy. Instead of having a professional leader in charge, the population is asked to delegate their decision-making to a government. This is literally a paradox because this delegation reveals the population as incapable of making decisions for the state, so it makes no sense for them to choose the leadership as that in of itself is a decision for the state.

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:53:58 No.107429478 Report

Quoted By: >>107429482

>>107429405
>>107429442
There's a lull in the trend right now but check in 6-7 years from now and those options will be shut down by big business.

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:54:59 No.107429482 Report

Quoted By: >>107429493

>>107429478
Sure, whatever bullshit you think, brah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:56:17 No.107429488 Report

Quoted By: >>107429517 >>107429529

>>107429447
Okay now I know you're being facetious. You're advocating for life in safe servitude as opposed to dangerous freedom. At that point, you're unintentionally advocating for stagnation because anything that'll threaten the sensitive Shipwreck Kellys in power will be nixed. What threatens them the most? The independence of the people from them. Today's world has more independent people than ever before and the ones in power would not only take that away, you wish to facilitate it because the horses in the stables are safer than the wild bucking broncos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:56:51 No.107429491 Report

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>>107429153
>but they want to draw comics.
Well then you either self publish or take whatever shitty hand your dealt. Im not saying it didn't suck but we all worked shitty jobs so he's no special because he gets to live his dream one for a career.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 08:57:16 No.107429493 Report

Quoted By: >>107429555

>>107429482
The Mouse are buying their own film tickets to boost sales, you think they're not working on a plan to crack down on all independent media avenues in the world?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:00:15 No.107429508 Report

Quoted By: >>107429549 >>107429819

>>107429357
He aint monster like you think he is. He never stole anything and always was credited as co-creator. Only outside media were making him the only creator of these characters. Also Kirby and Ditko assholes too. Don't you remember when later in his life Kirby said how he invented Spider man and idea of Hulk transforming when it is night?

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:01:41 No.107429517 Report

Quoted By: >>107429529 >>107429576

>>107429488
>At that point, you're unintentionally advocating for stagnation because anything that'll threaten the sensitive Shipwreck Kellys in power will be nixed.
Yeah Europe has gotten along fine without becoming stagnant despite this "safe servitude". The trick lies in giving people individual freedoms to live their lives and pursue progress, but without the expense of giving them a voice in politics. That's how things should work in life, change is performed by individuals by their own sweat or by the state under strong leadership, not by a rough compromise between enabled individuals backing a weak leadership.
The false dichotomy that people are slaves if they have no say in politics or are free if they get to vote every 2 years is the sort of thing only Americans or their stooges believe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:03:41 No.107429529 Report

Quoted By: >>107429576

>>107429517
>>107429488
Also,
>Today's world has more independent people than ever before
Is false. Today's western world has record high numbers of people who live off debt to corporations or welfare from the state. This isn't independence at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:06:40 No.107429546 Report

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>>107428367
Ditko was introduced to Objectivism after creating Spiderman. By Stan Lee.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:06:57 No.107429549 Report

Quoted By: >>107429819

>>107429508
Kirby didn't want to give Ditko any credit for Spider-Man's creation. You can't say that about Stan Lee.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:08:02 No.107429555 Report

Quoted By: >>107429560

>>107429493
Oh, you're an actual retard. Sorry, I wasn't aware.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:09:26 No.107429560 Report

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>>107429555
It's ok, I understand you have to keep your family safe, I would say the same thing if I were you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:12:50 No.107429576 Report

Quoted By: >>107429649

>>107429517
>Yeah Europe has gotten along fine without becoming stagnant despite this "safe servitude".
Only during the Roman and Greek eras and those were exceptions to the rule that were quickly stamped out thanks to indolence.
>The trick lies in giving people individual freedoms to live their lives and pursue progress, but without the expense of giving them a voice in politics.
And at that point, those in politics are free to take away individual rights as they see fit, because the people have no say in their eventual fate. You want a society of privileges that are gifted and stripped away, not rights that are fought for and earned.
>That's how things should work in life, change is performed by individuals by their own sweat or by the state under strong leadership, not by a rough compromise between enabled individuals backing a weak leadership.
When one does something with the backing of the state they become indebted TO the state, and if that becomes the norm, you become an indebtured servant. A contract between individuals is more effective, than an unspecified debt/duty to a nebulous thing that changes size, power and cultural values as the ruling elite see fit.
>The false dichotomy that people are slaves if they have no say in politics or are free if they get to vote every 2 years is the sort of thing only Americans or their stooges believe.
If you have no say in the laws that will affect you, your livelyhood or your future, and still talk about individual rights, you become the stooge of those who hold the reigns and make the laws.
>>107429529
>live off debt to corporations or welfare from the state. This isn't independence at all.
Welfare is voluntary, as is getting into debt to a corp. I have no debts nor do I rely on welfare, yet I'm far from middle class by western standards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:24:56 No.107429649 Report

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>>107429576
>Only during the Roman and Greek eras and those were exceptions to the rule that were quickly stamped out thanks to indolence.
Yeah, you've officially outed yourself as ignorant of European history.
>And at that point, those in politics are free to take away individual rights as they see fit, because the people have no say in their eventual fate.
This isn't true. Napoleon wasn't democratically elected but instituted the most amount of civic rights and legal systems in Europe despite being a dictator. This is essentially because having a free people given a sense of justice is directly beneficial to the leader as it provides him with a powerful empire to work with.
>When one does something with the backing of the state they become indebted TO the state, and if that becomes the norm, you become an indebtured servant.
Every citizen is as a norm indebted to the civilization they are part of. This is a norm that has not been revoked in any society, including America. There is no debt to the state in your scenario as the state and the individual come to the conclusion of what is best for their civilization.
>If you have no say in the laws that will affect you, your livelyhood or your future, and still talk about individual rights, you become the stooge of those who hold the reigns and make the laws.
This is the natural rebellious anguish of a libertarian made manifest. It is fundamentally inappropriate that any one individual can affect the lives of not only the people around them, but the lives of every individual in the future, through a process as worthless and effortless as voting.
>Welfare is voluntary, as is getting into debt to a corp.
No, they're not. Welfare as its proper term is everything provided by the state. Education, public healthcare, city maintenance, et cetera. And debt is the natural state of things in a red economy. If you've somehow avoided relying on either of those things, you are not the norm of a modern citizen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:47:40 No.107429801 Report

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>>107428500
That's the whole point of objectivism.
>my dad pays for everything so I'm successful and people who don't have their dads pay for everything are welfare parasites and should just die, it's survival of the fittest bro

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:50:09 No.107429819 Report

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>>107429508
>>107429549
What the hell I thought you guys told me Kirby was based, why would he claim to have created Spider-Man?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:51:44 No.107429832 Report

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>>107429819
Because he was a bitter asshole who burned bridges everywhere he worked. Hell of a talent though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:52:10 No.107429838 Report

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>>107429819
That's a shopped Ant-Man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:56:11 No.107429862 Report

Quoted By: >>107429870

>>107429819
To be fair a lot of Jack Kirby's later life craziness came from his wife's insistence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:57:13 No.107429870 Report

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>>107429862
>women ruin everything
Dave Sim was right again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 09:58:11 No.107429876 Report

Quoted By: >>107430012

>>107428367
Moral of the story: Objectivism is fine while I'm on top. Otherwise, I become a whiny bitch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 10:02:57 No.107429909 Report

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https://youtu.be/A1yJZKDwIRE
Jack Kirby talking mad shit about Stan Lee in a radio interview until Stan calls in. Then all of a sudden he wants to be polite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 10:17:16 No.107430004 Report

Quoted By: >>107430031

>>107429819
Kirby, like many others, started asking for their "rights" years after their characters were created, and only made a fuss about popular characters. At which point, they conveniently forgot the role that others played in that popularity. The X-Men owe as much, if not more, to Claremont, Cockrum and Byrne than Lee and Kirby, but you never hear about that. It's all "I created a basic backstory to these characters 50 years ago. You guys owe me money". And lest we forget, all of them were work for hire. Cry me a fucking river. Stan Lee conned all of you before you could con others. Good for him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 10:20:20 No.107430012 Report

Quoted By: >>107430087

>>107429876
Objectivism and libertarianism is being a gambler in a game where the odd tend to favor you in the first place and you don't gave a fuck for the people for which the odds are bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 10:23:23 No.107430031 Report

Quoted By: >>107430082

>>107430004
>Stan Lee conned all of you before you could con others
Well, Stan never made royalties either, he just stayed with the company long enough to become EiC and pretty much Marvel's public face.

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 10:30:29 No.107430082 Report

Quoted By: >>107430132

>>107430031
And that was a shitty thing for him to do. Why should he be allowed to be successful? He should give his money to Steve Ditko instead, Steve Ditko is a genius who did everything on his own! A self made man!

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 10:31:07 No.107430087 Report

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>>107430012
>the odd tend to favor you in the first place
>source: my ass

Case in point, who has ever gotten the rights to their creations given back from Marvel or DC?

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 10:36:20 No.107430121 Report

Quoted By: >>107430212

>>107428367
kek, when Ditko started working in the business Lee was already an industry veteran.

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 10:37:34 No.107430129 Report

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>>107428840
t. edgelord

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 10:38:36 No.107430132 Report

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>>107430082
Considering Stan was worth $50 to $70 million at the time of his death, I´d say he did pretty well, all things considered. I don't think Buscema or Romita Sr can say that. Not to mention that for the majority of casuals, Lee basically created Marvel.

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 10:38:53 No.107430134 Report

Quoted By: >>107430236

>>107429034
There's also another book called "Bill the Boy Wonder"

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 10:50:36 No.107430202 Report

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>>107429819
Both Kirby and Ditko are great artists but not so great writers.

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 10:52:06 No.107430212 Report

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>>107430121
Yep. And Stan Lee also came up with the word Mjolnir and helped create Captain America.

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 10:55:54 No.107430236 Report

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>>107430134
Oh, that's it then, this movie turned into a book named Batman and Bill.
Also, yeah, there is already a Jerry & the Joker but I haven't read it yet

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 10:58:51 No.107430255 Report

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>>107429386
I'm not talking about movies and tv shows, I'm talking about how in 2009 no one even thought of the word "libertarian" in the retarded sense ONLY americans use, but once my country started getting buddy buddy with china, suddenly there were thousands of translations of Sowell, Ayn Rand, youtubers, "alternative history" books and a very vague and, honestly, americanish critique of social democracy.

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 14:29:50 No.107432221 Report

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>Make a funny copypasta
>coming back in the morning to see this post
>mfw

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Anonymous Tue 07 May 2019 15:08:16 No.107432727 Report

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>>107429819
He's a Jew. It's what they do.

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