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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 08:06:08 2019 No.107193615 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>107193634 >>107193715 >>107193910

Seriously what the fuck?
>IW Thanos = 10/10 and great performance
>Endgame Thanos = Malekith with new clothes
Serious, this movie is a fucking shit, also Loki with the tesseract, and?!?? Seriously 100 plot holes, gamora literally disappears Captain Marvel = useless, Gary StuStark makes the stones float without any sense, what a fucking shitfest my god

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:08:07 No.107193634 Report

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>>107193615
what is it that you can't understand you moron. tell me and I'll explain it to you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:09:09 No.107193647 Report

Quoted By: >>107193755 >>107193877 >>107193920 >>107194242

List of all the characters this movie has fucked:
>Thanos
>Cap
>Black Widow
>Thor
>Loki
>Gamora
>Bucky
>Hulk
Did I miss anyone?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:17:50 No.107193715 Report

Quoted By: >>107193749 >>107193780 >>107193805 >>107193937

>>107193615
I really liked the movie especially since my expectations were pretty low but the time travel shit makes no sense.

So Mjolnir is just gone from the timeline until 2024 now? How did everything from Avengers 1 and onward happen now that Loki got away in the past? Does Hydra think Captain America is on their side in the past?

I mean, the story beats resulting from the time travel were really good but after all the shit-talking about how Terminator and BttF time travel is bullshit, they don't do a lot better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:21:23 No.107193749 Report

Quoted By: >>107193776

>>107193715
ah shit I just remembered that Cap takes Mjlonir with him, so no time paradox there. Loki would still fuck everything up though

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:21:52 No.107193755 Report

Quoted By: >>107193936

>>107193647

Dr Strange is a huge asshole who told Stark to an hero and then didn’t use the time stone to resurrect him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:24:23 No.107193776 Report

Quoted By: >>107194622 >>107194651

>>107193749
You want a Paradox What about 2014 Thanos going to 2024 and dying in the future but never returning to commit the snap?

By my count there are at least 2 other alternate realities now that the Avengers created by fucking up

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:24:47 No.107193780 Report

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>>107193715
Three different timelines. Main one, one where Loki escaped at the end of Avengers, one where Thanos jumped from 2014 to 2023.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:27:33 No.107193805 Report

Quoted By: >>107193824 >>107193830 >>107194297 >>107194689

>>107193715
Different timelines.
To think they explained it at least twice in the movie, really surprises me how many retards didn't get it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:29:50 No.107193824 Report

Quoted By: >>107193851 >>107193872

>>107193805
The branching only happens when you remove the stone. If you return it as if it was never gone the branching doesn't happen.
L

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:30:42 No.107193830 Report

Quoted By: >>107193869 >>107193872 >>107193979

>>107193805
then how the fuck did 2024 captain america turn old and just sit on a bench waiting for the others to notice if its different timelines every time

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:32:24 No.107193851 Report

Quoted By: >>107193891

>>107193824
Then there's still two branching time lines

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:33:37 No.107193869 Report

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>>107193830
I dunno man. Maybe the 100 year old man sneaked up on them land sat at the bench to be all dramatic lol

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:33:41 No.107193872 Report

Quoted By: >>107193900

>>107193824
nope, you should pay more attention.

>>107193830
They built him a time-machine in his new timeline when the technology allowed it

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:34:19 No.107193877 Report

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>>107193647
your mom

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:35:37 No.107193891 Report

Quoted By: >>107193907

>>107193851
yeah but if there are two timelines now, then you have one where it's everything we saw up untill endgame where everyone is still dead from the snap, and the new one resulting from time fuckery that brings everyone back five years after the snap, the amount of shit that changed in history like loki escaping, thanos dying in the future before even starting to collect the stones, and captain america deciding to stay in the past yet showing up in the original timeline where he left, would cause serious continuity problems

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:36:26 No.107193900 Report

Quoted By: >>107194316

>>107193872
The dialogue from the Ancient One:
>"The infinity stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one of the stones and that flow splits, now this may benefit your reality, but my new one, not so much. In this new branch reality, without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world will be overrun, millions would suffer. So tell me doctor, can your science prevent all that?"

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:36:53 No.107193907 Report

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>>107193891
>yeah but if there are two timelines now
3

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:37:04 No.107193910 Report

Quoted By: >>107193919

>>107193615
>So, Thanos did great in Infinity War.
>Yes indeed.
>Yeah. Let's kill him in the first 5 minutes and bring a past version of him that doesn't have the same development as his actual version.
>Yes indWAIT WHAT DON'T

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:38:04 No.107193919 Report

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>>107193910
This movie is going to be analyzed to pieces and it's all going to fall apart

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:38:05 No.107193920 Report

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>>107193647
>Red Skull.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:39:35 No.107193936 Report

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>>107193755
At the end of the day, he truly was the avengers endgame 2019 marvel studios all along.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:39:47 No.107193937 Report

Quoted By: >>107193957 >>107194325

>>107193715
The stuff in New York still happened because its still in the past. The present can't be changed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:41:42 No.107193957 Report

Quoted By: >>107193990

>>107193937
What was the point in even taking the stones back to preserve the time line when it was already irreparably damaged by Thanos leaving for the present before the events of GOTG 2?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:43:40 No.107193979 Report

Quoted By: >>107194018 >>107194030

>>107193830
its not different every time. You alter it by messing with the infinity stones. Otherwise shit is predestined. Cap is in a loop. He grows old in the main timeline by returning to the past.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:44:46 No.107193990 Report

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>>107193957
Maybe Tony's snap is fixing thanos place in history rather than killing him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:47:45 No.107194018 Report

Quoted By: >>107194209

>>107193979
>You alter it by messing with the infinity stones. Otherwise shit is predestined
That is literally not implied anywhere. You can create a branching timeline by messing with anything. There's a branching time line where Clints son didn't die playing catch because Clint took his glove. Just like there is a branching time line where The Snap never happened because Thanos left that time line

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 08:48:44 No.107194030 Report

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>>107193979
that's what I was thinking too after ancient one's explanation but Thanos from 2014 died in 2024 without fucking with the stones so wouldn't that be the same timeline since he didn't use anything other than the pym particle wormhole?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:10:01 No.107194209 Report

Quoted By: >>107194219

>>107194018
There is nothing in the movie that implies any of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:11:19 No.107194219 Report

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>>107194209
Yes there is because Thanos goes to the future without any stone fuckery

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:14:04 No.107194242 Report

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>>107193647
I'm pissed with what they did with Cap. Why is Black Widow, Gamora and Loki there though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:14:52 No.107194248 Report

Quoted By: >>107194288 >>107194343

absolutely nothing in this movie makes any sense whatsoever, and all future movies are now going to have to face the criticism of "why didnt they just time travel"

What they REALLY needed was someone like Order and Chaos or another cosmic entity to show up at the end and go WHAT THE FUCK GUYS I LET YOU TIME TRAVEL ONCE BECAUSE I THINK THANOS IS A JERK BUT NO MORE OK OR I'LL COME AFTER YOUR ASSES and then vanish

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:20:11 No.107194288 Report

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>>107194248
They really should've ntroduced cosmic entities along time ago. The movies could've benefited from it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:21:47 No.107194297 Report

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>>107193805
they need to use a reference a DBZ Future saga, so people can understand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:23:52 No.107194316 Report

Quoted By: >>107194356

>>107193900
>Remove one of the stones and that flow splits
>without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world will be overrun

Reminder that Prime reality has ZERO infinity stones. They've all been effectively "removed". Thanks, Thanos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:24:53 No.107194325 Report

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>>107193937
>The present can't be changed

Old Man Rogers says otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:27:01 No.107194343 Report

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>>107194248
I mean, while it would be cool for someone like the Living Tribunal to suddenly materialize and talk shit to the Avengers, I don't think it's necessary. The rules of time travel in this movie are vague enough so that the heroes won't try to rely on it because all it ends up doing is creating a parallel universe while leaving the original fucked (maybe, depending on your interpretation of Ancient One's explanation and Cap getting old in the saved universe). Then again, if you go with that interpretation, the Avengers might as well have done nothing at all because all they did was create a new universe where bad shit didn't happen while the old one still goes on.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:27:33 No.107194347 Report

Quoted By: >>107194648

This is Thanos.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:28:16 No.107194356 Report

Quoted By: >>107194414

>>107194316
>tfw nobody gives a shit about that

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:34:34 No.107194406 Report

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60 years
60 years doing nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:35:37 No.107194414 Report

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>>107194356
Why would anyone? The 2014 timeline was doomed because without the Time Stone Dormammu would win but that's no longer a problem.

If Cap didn't return the hammer Asgard might be overrun by dark elves and then by Hela if Odin dies but he probably did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:35:39 No.107194415 Report

Quoted By: >>107194587

As much as I love BTTF, Time Travel is a can of worms that shouldn't be touched in most media.
It nearly always opens timey wimey plotholes, and introducing the concept of differing timelines that can be hopped between tends to put a damper on achievements in the story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:47:02 No.107194494 Report

Quoted By: >>107194542 >>107194797 >>107194886

You know what ?
They used the time travel thing to give us a colossal tribute for 10-year of stories with cameos everywhere, but did we really need this?

Maybe not? wouldn't it have been better to throw the gems into space and make the film a colossal space treasure hunt with only one group back in the past to recover the only gem that was destroyed? And Thanos tries to prevent them from finding them?

My main problem is that the search for gems ... is terribly boring. . And I didn't appreciate the reset of Thanos development.

The final part is majestic, really, but to get there you need a great effort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:53:46 No.107194542 Report

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>>107194494
I mean, logically it would have made for a better story if they left out all the cameos, time travel shit, and Thanos character regression, but Endgame is a fanservice popcorn flick and was built from the ground up to be one. It's fine for people to enjoy it the same way one enjoys watching their team win in a sports game, and I doubt most fans of the MCU watch the movies for their compelling narratives in the first place. Not that it excuses a bad plot but I can see what they were going for.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:54:50 No.107194555 Report

Quoted By: >>107194571

Why does everyone hate Star-Lord so much?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:55:59 No.107194567 Report

Quoted By: >>107194585

Literally the only good part is Wanda bodying Thanos
Which is perfectly ruined by the chick squad five minutes later

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:56:31 No.107194571 Report

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>>107194555
Cause they were about to take the glove off Thanos and he REEEEEEEEEed

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:57:48 No.107194585 Report

Quoted By: >>107194635

>>107194567
>Which is perfectly ruined by the chick squad five minutes later
What the fuck even was that nonsense? They're all at different parts of the battle before that then they immediately separate again. Most of those chicks don't even know each other. Bloody ludicrous

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 09:57:59 No.107194587 Report

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>>107194415
is it just me, or are too many time travel stories caught up in the notion that at least one of the main cast knows how know time travel works
like I can't think of anything where the time travelers are always second guessing what the rules are, and there is no smart character that has all the true answers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:02:58 No.107194622 Report

Quoted By: >>107194638

>>107193776
Thanos and Gamora are at least gone from one timeline. So Quill never teams up with the Guardians, Ronan never gets his hands on the power stone, Ego never finds Quill (probably).

The one with Loki and the Tesseract is a bit contentious, since they're supposed to put the stones back as if they'd not gone missing in the first place. So Loki either got the Space stone to Thanos or kept it to himself for Shenanigans. Who knows. Maybe cap putting going back at the right time stopped Loki from getting it.

The 1970 Steve returned to probably the most contentious. With him going back and potentially living that life with Peggy, he shouldn't be back in the main timeline at all. But he is. So ignoring that handwave and inconsistency, that timeline should have 2 Caps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:04:20 No.107194635 Report

Quoted By: >>107194664

>>107194585
That part was fucking embarrassing to watch. I don't hate any of the female characters in the MCU at all except maybe Carol and Valkyrie, and even then it's just annoyance and not hatred. The fact that they took the time to make a group shot completely irrelevant to the plot and contradictory as to how the fight is actually going on was so jarring that I can't believe people are defending it. Like imagine if literally every black person in the MCU suddenly got a group shot as well during the middle of the fight despite having nothing to do with each other besides their skin color.

And in the end it didn't matter at all since Carol was 100x more effective than the rest of them combined and could have just picked up the glove and piledrived through the army like wet tissue paper, but instead they have an elaborate game of catch that ends up fucking them over when Thanos destroys the van.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:04:50 No.107194638 Report

Quoted By: >>107194651

>>107194622
Steve went back to the 40s to be with Peggy, dumb dumb

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:06:54 No.107194648 Report

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>>107194347
Did anyone expect Jango to beat Windu?

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:07:09 No.107194651 Report

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:07:46 No.107194654 Report

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>mfw there was a fucking chocolate bar commercial before the movie that more or less spoiled Widow'sdeath

Someone is definitely getting into trouble for this one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:08:45 No.107194664 Report

Quoted By: >>107194674 >>107194706

>>107194635
Why the fuck Wasp left Scott alone with the Van, if anything she should be the one repairing it and Scott fighting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:11:08 No.107194674 Report

Quoted By: >>107194720

>>107194664
Because he's the brains of the two?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:13:38 No.107194689 Report

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>>107193805
It's because half the retards dicussing this are basing thier judgements off of greentext summary spoilers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:15:35 No.107194706 Report

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>>107194664
>Why the fuck Wasp left Scott alone with the Van
So she could be in the YASSS squad, anon. Does it make sense? Absolutely not

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:17:27 No.107194720 Report

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>>107194674
But Hope was the one that helped Pym build the original portal, she knows a lot about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:27:13 No.107194797 Report

Quoted By: >>107194855

>>107194494
How to fix endgame:
>Thanos used the stones to instead revive his generals, which is how the avengers find him
>He keeps the space stone and fucks off to an unknown planet, the other avengers notice the stones are missing
>Still doesn't want unnecessary violence, he gives the other stones to each general (maw = time stone, obsidian = power stone, glaive = reality stone, proxima = mind stone
>nebula is taken with thanos and mindfucked into supergiant, whom thanos entrusts with the soul stone
>the remaining avengers regroup on earth, form plan
>stark wants to enlist the help of villains, such as yellowjacket and Ultron, who survived in one of his bodies as seen in Spiderman: homecoming
>causes another divide between the avengers, but no fighting; captain america and iron man eventually realise that they have to put aside their differences and work together, as opposed to trying to prove that they're right
>before they can leave earth, iron man gives a suit to pepper 'just in case'
>because of this, two main teams are made to find the stones: iron man, the villains, war machine, hawkeye and black widow head for the the mind stone first, with plans to resurrect vision, while thor, rocket, hulk, wong, valkryie and antman look for glaive
>iron man's group succeeds, but ultron uses the mind stone and comes to the realisation that he will be depowered once this is over, escaping
>this sends team iron man into a tailspin, instead searching for ultron
>wong is intrigued by the nature of the gods, and builds a fast friendship with thor and valkryie

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:34:10 No.107194855 Report

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>>107194797
>How to fix endgame:

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:37:33 No.107194886 Report

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>>107194494
Yes that would be better instead of that clip show

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