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Cliches that makes you MAD

Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 17:34:24 2018 No.103163394 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>103164010 >>103165178 >>103166988 >>103167010 >>103172110 >>103172228 >>103173506 >>103173898 >>103174091 >>103176845 >>103176888 >>103178711 >>103179071 >>103180360 >>103183371

>moral of the episode is blatantly obvious in the first 3 minutes and the rest is spent watching character holding idiot ball and creating problem that could have been prevented by thinking 15 seconds

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Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 18:12:13 No.103164010 Report

Quoted By: >>103166984 >>103178979 >>103180221

>>103163394
>stalker characters get off the hook all the time cause their a girl/nerd
>especially when you can tell how uncomfortable it makes the targeted character

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Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 18:17:09 No.103164098 Report

Quoted By: >>103164172 >>103178808

Final fight, the hero has beaten down the villain and is getting ready to deliver the final blow
>DONT KILL HIM, YOU'LL BE JUST AS BAD AS HIM
what, so killing doesnt count if its just the mooks and minions who came first???

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 18:20:38 No.103164153 Report

Quoted By: >>103164229 >>103179047

>character becomes rich
>they become an asshole
>they end losing all their money and need to apologise for being an asshole
Every fucking time

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 18:21:12 No.103164172 Report

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>>103164098
oh and addendum to that
>Big time villain who has even defeated nations' armies that were sent after him/her
>Hero lets one of those nations take him/her into custody
Okay...so the nations can't stop this person if they go on a rampage...but you trust them to keep them imprisoned? why?? how even?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 18:23:55 No.103164229 Report

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>>103164153
>Every fucking time
Not in Steven Universe

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 19:06:38 No.103165018 Report

Quoted By: >>103165051 >>103165154

>someone walks in

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Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 19:09:31 No.103165051 Report

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>>103165018
But this is always hilarious.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 19:15:09 No.103165154 Report

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>>103165018
>they walk out again

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 19:16:33 No.103165178 Report

Quoted By: >>103180380 >>103181019 >>103182267

>>103163394

>Character gets big gig by lying their way to it
>liar reveal plot

I hate these stories because all you do is wait for that moment when they're cast out.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 21:00:35 No.103166955 Report

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>The idiot character gets to be in charge
>The idiot becomes a massive controlling asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 21:02:26 No.103166984 Report

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>>103164010
>femstalker
>is waifu'd and is usually cute
>dudestalker
>Abhorred, butt of the jokes, usually fat or creepier than thou

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 21:02:38 No.103166988 Report

Quoted By: >>103167003 >>103174710

>>103163394
>character says idea
>lol that's dumb
>another character says same idea
>holy shit that's smart

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 21:03:54 No.103167003 Report

Quoted By: >>103182319

>>103166988
>Saw this happen in real life all the time in this one fucking class

Fuck you Ms. Alexander, Gerry always tried his best to participate and you spat in his mouth

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 21:04:13 No.103167010 Report

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>>103163394
>Character meets a doppleganger/someone who looks just like them
>OH MY GOD
>YOU'RE GORGEOUS

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 21:10:08 No.103167086 Report

Quoted By: >>103167811 >>103169127

This fucking idea and anything similar. Don’t tell me not to get lost in something if you are that something, don’t attack the idea of enjoying things, and don’t mock people who genuinely have no way to enjoy reality except by abandoning it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 21:11:04 No.103167097 Report

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>character wants to get a girl
>they come up with a convoluted scheme to make them like them
>it all falls apart
>girl falls for character anyway because she is impressed at the lengths that character went to

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 21:18:27 No.103167184 Report

Quoted By: >>103167240 >>103180592

>The Resistance is always good and not a band of crooks and mauraders
>The Empire is le Ebil

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 21:21:25 No.103167240 Report

Quoted By: >>103167678 >>103172136

>>103167184
Aren't the Decepticon the rebels in Transformers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 21:49:21 No.103167678 Report

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>>103167240
Sometimes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 21:57:47 No.103167811 Report

Quoted By: >>103167835 >>103179811

>>103167086
I haven't played that game, but didn't that particular take on the topic involve a magical book that reshaped reality to fit the whims of everyone except the circle of friends who had the book? Because that's less of a "escapism is bad" thing, and more of a "don't drag everyone else into your fantasy land at he cost of their minds" thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 21:59:17 No.103167835 Report

Quoted By: >>103179811

>>103167811
>of everyone except the circle of friends
meant to say "reshaped reality and everyone else to the whims of the circle of friends who had the book", my bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 23:07:45 No.103169127 Report

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>>103167086
This! Not everyone can drop their binge-watching habits and get fit because not everyone has four limbs and functioning organs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Sep 2018 23:13:14 No.103169244 Report

Quoted By: >>103176831

>"Gasp! Your opinions differ from mine. That means YOU are the monster and YOU need to LEARN TO ACCEPT that viewpoints other than yours exist!"
Stranger than Fan Fiction was a shit episode.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 01:22:19 No.103171671 Report

Quoted By: >>103178886 >>103183067

>It's a "character learns a lesson he's already learned last season because the writers are hacks and don't know what character development is, they'd much rather recycle the same fucking plotlines over and over again"
AKA every season of DC CW shows

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 01:41:54 No.103172057 Report

Quoted By: >>103184116

>nihilist villain
>nihilism is presented as sociopathy or just not caring about anything

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 01:43:21 No.103172089 Report

Quoted By: >>103175864

>A new member joins the team
>"THERE'S A TRAITOR IN THE TEAM" plot point comes a few episodes later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 01:44:27 No.103172110 Report

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>>103163394
>universe where shit like superheroes, giant robots, magic, and all sorts of supernatural shit is known by the public
>character acts skeptical when the main character does something supernatural and thinks he's faking it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 01:45:32 No.103172136 Report

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>>103167240
Originally.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 01:50:42 No.103172228 Report

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>>103163394
Everyone make sure to follow my example and give examples after the trope

>strong female character isn't actually a good character so they just make her really good at fighting (Hunger Games, Metroid)
>Don't kill him you'll be just as bad (ATLA)
>anticlimaxes (Punisher MAX even though they're done really great there, TKND movie with Father going apeshit)
>boys vs. girls episode where the boys act like fucking retards for no reason and the girls get a 50 IQ boost (TTG)
>good guys win and when they kill the bad guy it's just standard "VILLAIN DIES WOOHOO!!!!!" fare even though the bad guy's a more compelling or interesting or generally better character so there's no good sendoff and therefore no catharsis (Diamond is Unbreakable)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 01:53:45 No.103172287 Report

Quoted By: >>103172545

>>103172228
>>good guys win and when they kill the bad guy it's just standard "VILLAIN DIES WOOHOO!!!!!" fare even though the bad guy's a more compelling or interesting or generally better character so there's no good sendoff and therefore no catharsis (Diamond is Unbreakable)
Wasn't it actively explained by Rohan (ie: the mangaka's self-insert) that there would be no way to judge him in court, so this was essentially the only way the protags could win?
That doesn't make it any less lazy, but it also makes sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 01:59:14 No.103172401 Report

Quoted By: >>103172545

>>103172228
>Metroid
Because we really get in-depth with Mario's character, am I right? She's a space merc with a heart who protects children and animals. Read the manga you sperg.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 02:04:38 No.103172500 Report

Quoted By: >>103172573 >>103179287 >>103179399

>>103172228
>If you kill him, you'll be just as bad as him
>Someone or something else winds up killing the villain anyway, thereby dealing with the problem permanently without forcing the hero to face the moral culpability for it.

That shit pissed me off in the Daredevil Season 2 finale.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 02:07:02 No.103172545 Report

Quoted By: >>103173232

>>103172287
>Kira teased to be becoming a better person during the Stray Cat chapter where Shinobu gets fucked up
>this arc gets dropped entirely and the entire finale is just Kira getting gangbanged by a bunch of special ed kids who win through plot bullshit while retreading the "me want quiet life" crap he's been on about since literally the first time he shows up

It would have been better if Kira's home life was developed more and he came to realize that there was something deeply wrong with him after softening up to his wife and walked into the finale, resolving that he would turn a new leaf after killing off the Crusaders. Instead we just get a generic "he lost, hahahah!!" ending as if he's not an actual character the audience gets emotionally attached to and just generic monster of the week shit. I'm not talking about if it makes sense or not, I'm talking about if it treats the antagonist with dignity.. DiU didn't.

>>103172401

Mario doesn't need a character because he's a fat guy that jumps high, says WAHOO and saves Peach from Bowser. That's literally all he does. Samus being portrayed as some iconic female badass is stupid because she doesn't actually do anything interesting, she just runs around and shoots at things until they die. I wouldn't mind this if everyone tried painting her as something she's not. It would be like if Mario was talked about as if he was a paragon of justice and altruism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 02:07:08 No.103172549 Report

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>>103172228
>boys vs. girls episode

I remember seeing a post that something along the lines of

>I want one of these episodes to happen, but at least one of the boys to go "wait a second, this is a boys vs. girls episode, isn't it?" and just leave, and only show back up at the end of the episode, relieved that he avoided all the bullshit

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 02:08:49 No.103172573 Report

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>>103172500
>If you kill him, you'll be just as bad as him
>Someone else winds up killing the villain anyway
>That someone doesn't become just as bad as the villain

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 02:10:25 No.103172607 Report

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>heroes won't kill the villain after they won because of morals or some shit
>the villain dies anyway, killed by his henchmen or just in an accident

or
>hero with a "no killing" rule kills a villain
>villain comes back to life so it doesn't really count as killing and doesn't tarnish the reputation of the hero

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 02:11:37 No.103172628 Report

Quoted By: >>103172708

>Show has established characters
>Show introduces various relationships for drama and other purposes
>Characters loses part of what made them entertaining upon entering one because the relationship and their part in it becomes their main focal point
Probably just the virgin in me getting mad at relationships, but that and when people do cringe forced drama stuff like cheat and have it drag on forever just makes me lose interest since one or more characters are acting like a piece of shit all through it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 02:16:25 No.103172708 Report

Quoted By: >>103173067

>>103172628
>FRY
>FROM
>FUTURAMA
I swear, in the new episodes and Worlds of Tomorrow, there wasn't a word out of his mouth that wasn't about bloody Leela.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 02:36:22 No.103173067 Report

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>>103172708
Can be applied to a fair amount of characters. Garnet from SU went from best mom to a vehicle for two lesbian midgets and became a near side character who talks mostly about one topic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 02:45:41 No.103173232 Report

Quoted By: >>103173990 >>103175046

>>103172545
Unfortunately, it makes sense in a way. Kira has been all this time trying to mask himself through the whole thing of being just an average boring man, that it makes sense that something entirely outside usual routine would eventually make him do a fatak mistake that would cost him everything. It makes sense that he's likeable, but it's also obvious he ain't someone who will be forgiven considering all the shady shit he's done and that we both know and don't know of yet.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 03:01:20 No.103173506 Report

Quoted By: >>103177012

>>103163394
>"YOU WERE LIKE PSHHHHHH!!! THEN HE WAS LIKE KABOW!!! THEN THEY WERE LIKE OH NOOO!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 03:25:57 No.103173898 Report

Quoted By: >>103177905 >>103178486

>>103163394
>Two characters have been friends for nearly the entire show
>They break up their friendship after one bad day together
>The rest of the cast has to convince them to become friends again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 03:32:34 No.103173990 Report

Quoted By: >>103174329 >>103179738

>>103173232
>implying i said anything about forgiveness
>more of the "sense" shit

A good story should treat its antagonist's demise with dignity and recognize them as an actual character people care about instead of a shitty filler bad guy. DiU didn't, and the end result is a unsatisfying tire fire of a finale. That's all there is to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 03:37:47 No.103174091 Report

Quoted By: >>103174592

>>103163394
>girl has a crush on a boy, but she never cared to talk to him.
> girl get mad at the boy for never noticed her crush.

FUCK OFF GIRL, you never told him anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 03:50:31 No.103174329 Report

Quoted By: >>103174618 >>103175046

>>103173990
I feel like the entire irony of his death escapes you, Its all about karmic justice. Kiras death is perfect because up until the last second he believed he was in the clear and he would never face any justice. And ultimately it shows what the story is about, its not a narrative where the line between hero and villain is blurred because of motivation, but rather a story of how the protagonists overcome an evil that represents the worst parts of them. Kira has the characteristics of a jojo protagonist but he lacks the unbreakable moral fiber of the heroes. He doesn't need some loud fanfare of a send-off he exists to show the heroism of the protagonists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 04:05:41 No.103174592 Report

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>>103174091
The actual worst.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 04:07:02 No.103174618 Report

Quoted By: >>103174989 >>103175046 >>103178874 >>103179602 >>103180342

>>103174329
>duhh kira's death is ironic because he got unlucky in the finale, get it because he's always been all about luck!!!

Yeah this clicked about five minutes after I finished reading. It still sucked dick. An ironic occurrence doesn't have any major effect on the enjoyment or quality of the story at large

>story about the protagonists overcome an evil that represents the worst part of them/ kira lacks unbreakable moral fiber of the heroes

Kira chopped off his own fucking hand in like the first act of the story, ran to the face-switching shop while his hand was chopped off and then got Aya to switch his fingerprints and face with Kosaku (who he dragged in) before killing them both. Don't fucking kid yourself, the man's got an iron will. |

>he exists to show the heroism of the protagonists

The protagonists are shit across the board. All this does is make things worse. I do not want to see their heroism (which didn't need to be showcased anyway, it was a given) displayed, I want to see the antagonist actually have some good character growth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 04:11:56 No.103174710 Report

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>>103166988
Arby 'n' the Chief does this in a way that's so stupid it's smart.
>Chief wants to make a movie
>Arbiter suggests a James Bond parody
>Chief tells Arbiter the idea is retarded
>Arbiter gets mad and leaves
>10 real life minutes of Chief coming up with ideas
>Suddenly has a great idea
>Rushes to Arbiter to tell him his idea
>It's a James Bond parody

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 04:28:36 No.103174989 Report

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>>103174618
An iron will isn't the same thing as moral fiber

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 04:32:18 No.103175046 Report

Quoted By: >>103175123 >>103178862

>>103174329
>>103174618
>>103173232
Is this death note?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 04:36:49 No.103175123 Report

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>>103175046
No, Jojo's.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 05:34:18 No.103175864 Report

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>>103172089
>it's obviously the new guy
>new guy says it's the protag
>everyone believes him

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 07:30:12 No.103176831 Report

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>>103169244
Of course it was, it was a meta episode the writers used to justify their shit writing.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 07:33:32 No.103176845 Report

Quoted By: >>103180537

>>103163394
>best girl is killed by worst girl

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 07:36:32 No.103176868 Report

Quoted By: >>103176898

>>103172228
>strong female character isn't actually a good character so they just make her really good at fighting

The leads needs to know how to fight more so than not.
If your lead is a woman, chances are they know how to fight.
Same goes for a man.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 07:40:19 No.103176888 Report

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>>103163394
I love op
also

>this also but starting because character fucked up badly trying to do something he knew it was wrong and was told not to do

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 07:42:07 No.103176898 Report

Quoted By: >>103176916

>>103176868
>strong female character,
>her only trait is she's good at fighting
>isn't even good at fighting or the logic of the series makes her fighting skills useless against the power of bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 07:44:56 No.103176916 Report

Quoted By: >>103178852

>>103176898
Might wanna put down those YA novels, they're all like that, female or male.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 07:59:01 No.103177012 Report

Quoted By: >>103177038

>>103173506
THAT. WAS. AWESOME.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 08:01:40 No.103177034 Report

Quoted By: >>103177084

>Comedy relief character gets a spinoff show

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 08:02:23 No.103177038 Report

Quoted By: >>103177085

>>103177012
>that guy who just wants to live his life without a bunch of idiots crashing in
>somehow he's the bad guy for it

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 08:07:57 No.103177084 Report

Quoted By: >>103177105 >>103178711 >>103184001

>>103177034
>comedy relief
>sacrifice himself/herself in a serious moment
>still cracks a joke under their final breath

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 08:08:04 No.103177085 Report

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>>103177038
post-movie squidward doesn't deserve his endless suffering

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 08:11:46 No.103177105 Report

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>>103177084
>when disney actually kills off the annoying animal sidekick
I didn't know that was allowed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 10:12:18 No.103177905 Report

Quoted By:

>>103173898
FiM?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 10:44:24 No.103178136 Report

Quoted By: >>103184429

>>103172228
>ATLA
No, it was not about being as bad for Aang. He was literally a buddist monk who have been taught all his life to not kill other creatures. He was even vegiatrian because of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 11:21:59 No.103178419 Report

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>>103172228
Funny you mention Metroid because when they tried to write a character for Samus that wasn't stoic bounty hunter that does cool shit, it was the worst Metroid game and the worst Samus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 11:36:29 No.103178486 Report

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>>103173898
i like this one.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 12:03:17 No.103178711 Report

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>>103177084
Now that's dedication to your job. I like to think if Gabriel Iglesias was dying of starvation he'd still crack a joke.
>This one time I was starving in thw desert and saw the buzzards flying over me
>I thought this was it, it was time for Jesús the gardener to come and weed whack me
>So i spread out my arms, waiting for the buzzards to take me to old man God
>When nothing
>No pain, no tears, and I'm thinking this is nice
>I open my eyes and the frickin buzzards started building a nest in my open palm
>I'm there in the desert for three months, wasting away, sun charring my siin
>By the end of it I looked like Groot after slimfast
>>103163394
>When the show tries to go for an emotional moment by giving a character a heavier voice and a guitar/piano cue

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 12:15:45 No.103178808 Report

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>>103164098
But what if I killed a serial killer?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 12:21:56 No.103178852 Report

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>>103176916
I don't read that shit anon, but once I had the disgrace of having my cousin babbling for a month about one she read

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 12:23:54 No.103178862 Report

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>>103175046
Anon, what the fuck dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 12:24:55 No.103178874 Report

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>>103174618
determinist faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 12:26:30 No.103178886 Report

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>>103171671
Could be worse. Could be Thudercats (2011).
>It's a "Liono earns a lesson he's already learned last EPISODE because the writers are hacks and don't know what character development is, they'd much rather recycle the same fucking plotlines over and over again"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 12:37:17 No.103178979 Report

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>>103164010
Since you brought it up.
>stalker villain
I hate those bastards with a passion. I guess I need to have a vagina to find them even remotely scary because otherwise all I see is dumb pathetic losers who want to make their dicks wet and that quickly ruins any scene that is supposed to be terrifying.
It doesn't help that the shittiest channel of all (Lifetime) loves to put them in their shitty movies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 12:40:52 No.103179008 Report

Quoted By: >>103179084 >>103179754

>a boy falls in love with a girl

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 12:44:19 No.103179047 Report

Quoted By: >>103179498

>>103164153

>jerk/bully character decides to be nice
>he's too nice or something and everyone hates him
>convoluted situation happens so that he has to be an asshole again to save the day

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 12:46:40 No.103179071 Report

Quoted By: >>103179103

>>103163394
>[writer] isn't writing [character]
>the character is flanderized beyond belief and everybody hates them because of that one episode

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 12:48:24 No.103179084 Report

Quoted By: >>103179145

>>103179008
I'm pretty sure episodes like that FIND A WAY to be good most of the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 12:50:24 No.103179103 Report

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>>103179071
What is the Crossed as written by anyone other than Ennis, Spurrier and Moore?

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 12:55:55 No.103179145 Report

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>>103179084

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 13:11:27 No.103179287 Report

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>>103172500
>protagonist laughs because he knew the villain was about to die anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 13:24:12 No.103179399 Report

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>>103172500
>supposedly morally ambiguous main character has to decide whether to kill an innocent person or suffer the consequences (like getting caught)
>some other character kills the innocent person in question saving MC from making a hard choice and looking like a monster he claims to be so the audience could still root for him
>all the innocents MC does get to kill are assholes anyway, so the audience is more forgiving of the protagonist
Okay, I guess this is getting a bit too specific and not /co/-related.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 13:26:37 No.103179416 Report

Quoted By: >>103179468

>Character can let villains die by not saving them when they easily could like if they're about to fall off a cliff or get hit by a train.
>But they'd never actively kill them
Quit waiting for a ring out and Ice the motherfucker, it's more trouble to let em prance around 9/11ing the city every day than to just get your hands dirty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 13:29:02 No.103179428 Report

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>>103172228
>boys vs. girls episode where the boys act like fucking retards for no reason and the girls get a 50 IQ boost (TTG)
That isn't what happened in TTG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 13:34:26 No.103179468 Report

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>>103179416
Cont.
Villain is an irredeemable killing machine that has broken out-of jail several times and killed many each time.
>lol Just throw them back in the clink like last time.
People always say this about Joker but I wanna Weed Whack Poison Ivy's leafy Ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 13:37:42 No.103179493 Report

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Uncreative naming
>The Empire
Empire of fucking what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 13:38:36 No.103179498 Report

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>Villain actually becomes a nice person
>Hero thinks they are up to something
>They really aren't
>Hero harrases villain until he becomes evil again

>>103179047
Not /co/ but I think Malcolm in the Middle did it perfectly
>Reese tries to become a nice person
>Everyone is weirded out but they are glad he is trying
>Other bullies rise up because he is not there to stop them
>One of them bullies Stevie (A kid on a wheelchair)
>Reese snaps and beats the fuck out of every bully

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 13:45:43 No.103179554 Report

Quoted By: >>103179612 >>103180568 >>103181946 >>103183324

>amazing antagonist has great chemistry with the main character(s), is menacing, dangerous and makes you look forward to the supposedly inevitable confrontation
>there is no confrontation, the antagonist just dies like a bitch (possibly not even by main character's hand) and is replaced with a vastly inferior villain
>SO SUBVERSIVE XD

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 13:49:51 No.103179602 Report

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>>103174618
Story is clearly not for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 13:50:39 No.103179612 Report

Quoted By: >>103179890

>>103179554
I like how TLJ made subversiv = shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 13:54:47 No.103179651 Report

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>>103172228
>>strong female character isn't actually a good character so they just make her really good at fighting (Hunger Games, Metroid)
are you like one of the 13 Other M fans that still exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 14:02:49 No.103179731 Report

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What if you serial kill serial killers but the police never find out all the victims are serial killers so everyone thinks you're the only serial killer there is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 14:03:22 No.103179738 Report

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>>103173990
Dude, you missed the point were a public service kills the main villain, Morioh killed Kira literally.
You can call it shining justice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 14:05:30 No.103179754 Report

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>>103179008
Sorry you're a boring faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 14:11:36 No.103179811 Report

Quoted By: >>103180352

>>103167811
>>103167835
Yes. People like to bash the MC because they took it as an attack on gamers but the MC was right.

The book was actually putting everyone affected by it in danger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 14:21:20 No.103179890 Report

Quoted By: >>103182120

>>103179612
Subversion was almost always shit.
Because 9/10 it is just literary spite.

And most of that 1/10 is only good because its a joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 14:49:55 No.103180221 Report

Quoted By: >>103180411

>>103164010
>Targeted character fucks stalker into submission

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:01:00 No.103180342 Report

Quoted By: >>103183910

>>103174618
Iron will does not equal moral fiber, lad.

Why the hell would ANYONE in universe want to give a "he was at least a pretty cool guy" moment of introspection/respect to the man who's murdered so many women and children that he singlehandedly increased the town's crime statistics by several hundred percent.

The guy who killed a nice ghost girl that they personally got to know. The guy who killed that annoying kid that they got to know. The guy who murdered a man who had a family and literally wearing his skin.

The man who would turn back time itself to try to escape capture for his many crimes. The man who admitted to popping a fucking boner over Mona Lisa's hands.

Sorry m8 but only a complete fucking psychopath would say anything other than "man, thank GOD that freak is dead" either in OR out of universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:02:14 No.103180352 Report

Quoted By: >>103183427

>>103179811
Playing through Tactics Advance again, I really wish that it had pushed that angle more. Everyone in the game always talks about how Marche had no right to pull Mewt out of his fantasy world, but no one ever brings up the fact that Mewt had no right to pull Marche, or everyone else, into it in the first place. Marche was entirely in the right in wanting to go back, and everyone trying to keep him there against his will deserved to be stopped.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:02:53 No.103180360 Report

Quoted By:

>>103163394
>idiot ball

Get lost, Tvtroper

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:05:07 No.103180380 Report

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>>103172228
>>good guys win and when they kill the bad guy it's just standard "VILLAIN DIES WOOHOO!!!!!" fare even though the bad guy's a more compelling or interesting or generally better character so there's no good sendoff and therefore no catharsis (Diamond is Unbreakable)
>they kill the bad guy
>Diamond is Unbreakable

I don't recall that ambulance driver being very happy about crushing a man's head by accident.

And Kira was an asshole.

>>103165178
It's especially jarring since this is how you get acting gigs in real life. You lie your ass off and by the time you get caught you already have the part and since it took them that long to figure it out, it proves your acting talent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:07:35 No.103180411 Report

Quoted By: >>103183044

>>103180221
I wish I could find that doujin where a stereotypical rape ogre follows two ladies off the train to an apartment, only for them to spring a trap to knock him unconscious and then peg the guy until he's mindbroken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:20:04 No.103180537 Report

Quoted By: >>103182339

>>103176845
When does that happen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:22:42 No.103180568 Report

Quoted By: >>103181946 >>103183324

>>103179554
Examples?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:25:51 No.103180592 Report

Quoted By: >>103180741

>>103167184
The empire in star wars unironically did nothing wrong and I will stand by that

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:40:41 No.103180741 Report

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>>103180592
Ironically enough by gutting the EU, canonically the worst the Empire did was blow up a rebellious planet.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:41:12 No.103180748 Report

Quoted By: >>103184111

>MC and female love interest like each other
>the relationship never develops because writers don't wanna break the status quo

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:55:01 No.103180910 Report

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>villain reforms
>gets treated like shit so he goes back to being evil

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 16:04:15 No.103181019 Report

Quoted By:

>>103165178
The only time I actually liked this trope was in Galaxy Quest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 17:04:56 No.103181712 Report

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>All season villain's working toward some mysterious plan
>Show goes out of its way to keep said plan a mystery
>Finally the plan is revealed and it's something boring and predictable like world domination
If you're gonna insert a season-wide mystery, at least make sure you have an interesting reveal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 17:23:02 No.103181946 Report

Quoted By:

>>103179554
>>103180568
Star Wars The Clone Wars's Ventress

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 17:35:46 No.103182120 Report

Quoted By:

>>103179890
>literary spite.
What do you mean by that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 17:37:10 No.103182149 Report

Quoted By:

>red herring is more interesting than the actual answer
>plot twist makes the overall story worse
Sometimes subversion isn't the best option

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 17:45:29 No.103182267 Report

Quoted By:

>>103165178
Recess had an interesting subversion to this.

>TJ gets black eye
>people think he did it doing something heroic
>he actually got it in some mundane way
>he doesn't actually lie, he just doesn't correct anyone
>he gets an epiphany from an Abe Lincoln-shaped corn chip about the importance of telling the truth
>he reveals how he got his eye
>nobody really believes him, and he's now hailed even more as a modest hero
>"at least I tried, Abe"

Genuinely funny episode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 17:50:49 No.103182319 Report

Quoted By:

>>103167003
Calm down Gerry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 17:52:20 No.103182339 Report

Quoted By:

>>103180537
It's fairly common in /a/ shit.
Recent example being https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icHI-bLzXng

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 18:04:24 No.103182489 Report

Quoted By:

>>103172228
"Strong female character that doesn't talk" works for Metroid because it's a video game, and her actions speak louder than words could. If this was a novel or a cartoon or a movie, you'd have a stronger point, but as 8 years ago should've taught us, emphasizing character development in a metroidvania is not the best of ideas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 18:12:46 No.103182576 Report

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>>103172228
Katniss wasn't really good at fighting

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 18:29:02 No.103182753 Report

Quoted By: >>103183009

>character gets some new device
>he becomes computer controlled zombie, sometimes to the point of circutry apearing on his skin

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 18:47:46 No.103183009 Report

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>>103182753
>Character invents/finds new McGuffin to get rid of [PROBLEM]
>It gets broken/lost/only has one use so they can't rely on it in future episodes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 18:50:22 No.103183044 Report

Quoted By:

>>103180411
I need this too wtf

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 18:52:14 No.103183067 Report

Quoted By:

>>103171671
>yfw LoT is saved from that horror
Legends Of Tomorrow is the only good good show

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 19:12:24 No.103183324 Report

Quoted By:

>>103179554
>>103180568
Netflix Luke Cage S1

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 19:15:42 No.103183371 Report

Quoted By:

>>103163394
I hate it when the writers just write a character badly so they can have a conflict in the episode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 19:19:41 No.103183427 Report

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>>103180352
Tactics Advance is one of the few games where the writers seemed to want the players to believe that MC was wrong for doing the right thing.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 19:55:07 No.103183910 Report

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>>103180342
>why would anyone want to give a "he was a cool guy" moment of respect

I never said that, the fuck are you talking about? Did you think I meant in-universe respect? I mean in terms of writing.

I'm not gonna say "thank GOD that freak is dead" because I'm not emotionally attached to anything or anyone Kira kills and I'm not enough of a faggot to care about a bunch of less-than-background characters. The only thing his murder spree does is give him an interesting character side.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 20:00:27 No.103184001 Report

Quoted By:

>>103177084
That actually sounds pretty cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 20:06:33 No.103184111 Report

Quoted By:

>>103172228
>TKND movie with Father going apeshit
that one still makes me mad, it didn't even result in anything particularly funny which makes it even worse

>>103180748
>because writers don't wanna break the status quo
god that is so fucking infuriating, especially since it leads to a bunch of episodes that are basically meaningless, Animated Sitcoms are especially bad about this

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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 20:07:17 No.103184116 Report

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>>103172057
>that scene from Rock & Rule where Mok smokes reefer and explains moral nihilism to one of his goons on his way to summoning a transdimensional demon through the power of music because he's bored

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 20:29:10 No.103184429 Report

Quoted By:

>>103178136
and don't forget he was legit traumatized because his sea-spirit fusion actually killed a bunch of people

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 20:33:42 No.103184491 Report

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>Villain tries plan
>Almost succeeds
>Defeated through nothing but sheer luck or a small easily solved flaw
>Never uses the plan again

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