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Bojack Reviews Are Out

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 20:59:33 2018 No.102808528 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>102809387 >>102809604 >>102810127 >>102815581 >>102817198 >>102820359

Be spoiled at your own risk.

https://www.indiewire.com/2018/09/bojack-horseman-season-5-review-netflix-best-comedy-series-1202001008/

https://ew.com/tv/2018/09/06/bojack-horseman-season-5-review/

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/bojack-horseman/276118/bojack-horseman-season-5-review-spoiler-free

https://www.slantmagazine.com/tv/review/bojack-horseman-season-five

#Metoo is being covered in todd's plotline more, but it seems like it will be funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 21:03:04 No.102808582 Report

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tl;dr

-todd makes a sex robot for emily and it becomes a CEO
-PC is ready to be a single parent and adopt and is trying to
-Mr PB moves on from Diane very easily
-Diane spirals
-Bojack gets involved with his new costar
-Bojack's addiction to a certain substance starts getting scary and out of control.

#Metoo is covered but Bojack does not get meetoo'd it seems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 21:11:22 No.102808729 Report

Quoted By: >>102817501

Ah yes Beatrices casket

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 21:44:57 No.102809300 Report

Quoted By: >>102811656

>>102808582
>Todd becomes a CEO
Fuck Todd

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Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 21:48:24 No.102809349 Report

Quoted By: >>102809385

Figured I'd just ignore it after Season 4, his daughter and mom drama was really pissing me off, and then they cap it off with Diane being a cunt.

I dunno, all this sounds like the kinda shit I dropped it for in the first place. I don't usually drop shit but I just don't have the urge to watch it. Maybe once it comes out I'll force myself to if I have nothing to watch, and I probably won't, but I've just been trying to accept reruns these days.

truteal !hlnuDLeBD2

truteal !hlnuDLeBD2 Thu 06 Sep 2018 21:48:53 No.102809358 Report

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>>102808582

Sugar cubes? (he is a horse)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 21:50:30 No.102809385 Report

Quoted By: >>102809416 >>102815682

>>102809349
The show's 5th season has been available on Netflix Preview (if you are one of the minority that have access to it) for a month now. I can safely agree with the reviewers that this season is loads better than the last. There are no sloppy political things here, its actually tackled well and sympathetically while still being funny, and the episode "Free Churros" beats Time's Arrow and That's Too Much, Man as the best episode of the season for me. And many critics I know of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 21:50:38 No.102809387 Report

Quoted By: >>102809432

>>102808528
>#Metoo is being covered in todd's plotline more, but it seems like it will be funny.
Don't try to imply Todd is funny or that liberals can actually use real humor when poking fun at their own movements.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 21:51:34 No.102809396 Report

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>>102808582
Wrong, Bojack does get MeToo'd, but he MeToos himself. He's way harder on himself than even Penny feels about him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 21:53:18 No.102809416 Report

Quoted By: >>102809471

>>102809385
Last season was actually one of my absolute favorite seasons, right behind 2, so this is really good to hear.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 21:54:16 No.102809432 Report

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>>102809387
The plotline basically involves a parade of insincere apologies with little self reflection on anyone in Hollywood, and the idea that forgiveness/redemption is actually a thing that should be sought or understood and not vilified or shrieked at. You'd be surprised.

Also Todd's sex robot becomes a serial sexual harasser of women and it's hilarious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 21:56:23 No.102809471 Report

Quoted By: >>102809551 >>102809649

>>102809416
It's a little heavier, especially because of Bojack's addiction, which gets more serious rather than the joke it's usually been. Insiders are saying this is the second to last season, and it definitely felt like it with where Bojack was going.

It's not all dark for him though, he really is becoming a better person, but he confronts a lot this season. As stated he basically #MeToos himself because he's a masochist and just hates himself and feels like he should be hated and punished.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 21:56:37 No.102809475 Report

Quoted By: >>102809505 >>102809539 >>102809572 >>102817175

>>102808582
based mrPB moving on with his life onto bigger and better things

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 21:58:11 No.102809505 Report

Quoted By: >>102809572

>>102809475

I wonder what hair brained scheme he gets involved with this season.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:00:08 No.102809539 Report

Quoted By: >>102809587 >>102817175 >>102820607

>>102809475
His new relationship makes Diane very bitter. I actually think /co/ will like the diane-centric episode this time. It highlights a lot of fucked up things about her. She's also pretty confusing about Mr. PB in this season while he tries to be very good to her as a friend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:00:55 No.102809551 Report

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>>102809471
>Insiders are saying this is the second to last season
Oh thank god. Seriously, there is only so much you can do with Bojack's character. Either you semi-redeem him or you have him die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:02:35 No.102809572 Report

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>>102809475
>>102809505
To answer you both: it better be me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:03:21 No.102809584 Report

Quoted By: >>102809614 >>102809649

>>102809551
This season feels a lot less circular than it sounds and concludes with surprising finality to his character so I definitely buy that season 6 is the last.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:03:36 No.102809587 Report

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>>102809539
God damn, Diane has neck like a tree stump.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:04:24 No.102809604 Report

Quoted By: >>102820732

>>102808528
>not having Penny come out and #metoo Bojack
Literally a plot line begging to be done

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:04:54 No.102809614 Report

Quoted By: >>102809687

>>102809584
>with surprising finality to his character
What is? I'm a sucker for spoilers.

Also if their is finality to his character, why aren't they ending it at this season?

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Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:07:16 No.102809649 Report

Quoted By: >>102809710

>>102809471
>>102809584
Fuck man, now you really got me hyped.
I was really scared this season was going to be shit when the head writer said he was thinking about talking about the current political stuff with Trump. Real fucking glad he decided not to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:09:54 No.102809687 Report

Quoted By: >>102809820

>>102809614
Because we need to see him come to the logical conclusion of what that means. I can't spoil too much but it has to do with his budding opioid addiction this season (yeah, actually that) and a gesture he does for someone that goes very wrong. I think the next season will lead to him taking happiness into his own hands by not following the actual definition of insanity...doing the same thing (staying in hollywood) and expecting a different result. I think it's leading to him coming full circle, back to that vision he had in s1, and leaving Hollywoo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:11:58 No.102809710 Report

Quoted By: >>102810152 >>102817143

>>102809649
Trump stuff is minimal to nil in this season. MeToo /TimesUp is prominent, but it also ties into Philbert's plot and Diane's subplot with Bojack and whether or not it's somehow "appalling" and bad for people to find those who make mistakes forgivable or sympathetic, and how as a society we look to these figures sometimes for our own forgiveness.

The show is obviously sympathetic to the MeToo movement, but I think it surprised me with the way it took it on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:19:57 No.102809820 Report

Quoted By: >>102809881

>>102808582
>Bojack's addiction to a certain substance starts getting scary and out of control.
Uh, you mean his already out of control alcohol addiction?
>>102809687
>his budding opioid addiction this season (yeah, actually that)
What in the fuck? He's done heroin ONCE back in S3, didn't touch it at all in S4, and now suddenly he's addicted?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:23:04 No.102809881 Report

Quoted By: >>102809995

>>102809820
It's a slow descent throughout the season and culminates. It's budding throughout the season and doesn't really come to a head til the end, but you start feeling anxious and nervous the entire time because of visual cues/the voice acting. Hard to explain but pulled off well as someone who lost a sibling to it I felt for him.

The only episode to hurt me more than any episode really did was Free Churros tho. That's the one that's going to get a thousand thinkpieces.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:31:18 No.102809995 Report

Quoted By: >>102810015 >>102810053

>>102809881
OK, but still they are going to ignore his HORRIBLE alcoholism, and shove a new drug on him just to have an addiction plot for him? That's pretty shitty writing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:33:02 No.102810015 Report

Quoted By: >>102810046 >>102810132 >>102810383

>>102809995
His alcoholism (and what he copes to overcome it) is pretty much one of the biggest plots of the season, so no.

Analyzing good and poor writing is my job. Trust me on this, at least concerning that plot, you will find it satisfactory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:34:39 No.102810046 Report

Quoted By: >>102810082

>>102810015
Alright, how about Todd. Is he still unfunny and shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:35:11 No.102810053 Report

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>>102809995
itt someone who doesn't know how common co-morbid addictions are, especially with a character who was comfortable enough to do cocaine, drugs, and casually do heroin in one bender.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:37:03 No.102810082 Report

Quoted By: >>102810259

>>102810046
His girlfriend's sister, who is a diva, tries to fuck him multiple times. His sexbot plot made me laugh a lot, and his business relationship with Emily was actually tolerable. The asexuality thing is less cringe in this season, as it's less of a stupid infomercial and more about a lot of self loathing that comes with realizing the shortcomings you'll have and how limited your dating pool is.

He still though has the same juvenile humor so I think some people will hate it. It's constant vulgar/sex jokes with him this season due to that sexbot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:39:53 No.102810127 Report

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>>102808528

Please spoil me, OP - do we get to hail the return of Famed Character Actress Margot Martindale or is she lost to the waves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:40:17 No.102810132 Report

Quoted By: >>102810526

>>102810015
>Analyzing good and poor writing is my job.

What kind of job is that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:41:18 No.102810152 Report

Quoted By: >>102817143

>>102808582
>>102809710
Is Hank involved in this season?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:47:45 No.102810259 Report

Quoted By: >>102810526

>>102810082
Eh, doesn't sound too promising. One final question if you can kindly answer: What does PB do this season? From what little information I'm gathering I've heard next to nothing about him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 22:54:17 No.102810383 Report

Quoted By: >>102810526

>>102810015
>I'm a paid critic thus an expert
This is some retardedly self-serving logic. I'm a writer, that doesn't make me any more of an authority than anyone else on the quality of the story. Don't expect to suddenly gain credibility because your profession recently decided to consume the entire product before giving a review either. Protip: Admitting you've been lying for years doesn't make you suddenly trustworthy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 23:05:30 No.102810526 Report

Quoted By: >>102811070 >>102811671

>>102810132
>>102810383
I'm a reviewer on the side and an editor. You are right and that's my folly, since I don't feel like getting into an argument on any subjectivity to writing and the spectator, it definitely was a poor appeal to authority and I'll let it go because i'm on a phone anyway. I personally liked the plotline, I suppose, not because it was some objectively good masterpiece but because I felt it was handled well in relation to my own personal experience. There.

I would argue you are selling yourself short though. A writer (what kind? I work with scripts and screen which is difficult to make into anything likable ever) like you would probably be on better authority than a lot of laymen on what is good and what isn't.

>>102810259
Mr PB is a very good ex to Diane, a good friend, but also has moved on. The Halloween party and the way he reacts to his new opportunity being potentially 'taken" from him shows a lot of what we already know about him. What seems shallow and opportunistic comes off as more sad to me, as humorous as it is, especially during the Halloween episode.

Another thing is there's something very spoilery so people are keeping shut on that and most of the big moments and reveals.

I'm happy, though, that Mr. PB moves on. Because whatever narcissistic shallow shit people hate on him for, he ultimately does not self-pity or wallow in a situation like this. He isn't vindictive. I didn't like him much before, but I find him much more likable than Diane now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 23:35:43 No.102810914 Report

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Do we see any of Butterscotch this season?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 23:40:26 No.102810968 Report

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>>102808582
My instinct was correct, I'll be skipping Todd's episodes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 23:48:20 No.102811070 Report

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>>102810526
>I personally liked the plotline, I suppose, not because it was some objectively good masterpiece but because I felt it was handled well in relation to my own personal experience. There.
Fair enough.
>A writer like you would probably be on better authority than a lot of laymen on what is good and what isn't.
On this point I must disagree, but this could be a matter of opinion due to being a writer. Writers often get it into their heads that there is only one form of good writing, as evidenced how the majority of writers have a single set style. Case in point, Stephen King. He is a good storyteller, but he stopped experimenting with ways of telling his story back in the early 80's. But your average layman who has little understanding of why the writer chose particular imagery or a viewpoint or whatever, he doesn't really have that idea. To that layman, it either is good enough or it isn't. It succeeded in entertaining, or it failed. They don't have the preconceptions, they just have an honest opinion. The hard part is getting that layman to tell you the exact part that ruined it for them so you can fix it. Still, I trust their opinions about my work a hell of a lot more than I would a fellow writer's opinion.
>>102810526
>what kind? I work with scripts and screen which is difficult to make into anything likable ever
Mostly sci-fi, novel length. Yeah, screenplays are the things of broken hopes and dreams. Unless you originally planned the story for a screen and planned it well, welcome to the re-write zone. Out of curiosity, have you ever met a happy screenwriter?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 23:49:02 No.102811077 Report

Quoted By: >>102811118

So which character drops the F bomb?

I'd love to see BoJack drop it for once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 23:52:03 No.102811118 Report

Quoted By: >>102811172

>>102811077
He did, S4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Sep 2018 23:56:20 No.102811172 Report

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>>102811118
Oh shid I meant I'd like to see him actually use it towards someone. S4 kinda subverted that trope.

Apparently Diane becomes a gigantic cunt in S5 so hopefully BoJack drops it on her.

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 00:31:24 No.102811656 Report

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>>102809300

Skyler, please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 00:32:05 No.102811671 Report

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>>102810526
>Didn't like PB before S5
What's wrong with you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 02:34:30 No.102813520 Report

Quoted By: >>102813824

>>102808582
>-Mr PB moves on from Diane very easily
>-Diane spirals

So they divorce?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 03:01:10 No.102813824 Report

Quoted By: >>102813937

>>102813520
Yeah they do

Also sorry everyone I went out to drink but I can post more spoiler screen shots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 03:09:35 No.102813937 Report

Quoted By: >>102813983

>>102813824
Do we see Butterscotch again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 03:11:29 No.102813963 Report

Quoted By: >>102813983 >>102820921

>>102808582
>-Mr PB moves on from Diane very easily
>-Diane spirals

Maybe I gotta rewatch again, but I don't remember their relationship being done at the end of the last season

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 03:13:41 No.102813983 Report

Quoted By: >>102820921

>>102813963
It's basically done offscreen. Everything finalizes right at the beginning, and by episode 4 Diane is trying to connect to her "old self" (her "blog" ep and trying to regain her sense of self will vindicate a lot of people who want diane to realize she sucks).

>>102813937
Bojack talks a lot about him in one episode. Like, minutes of monologue about him. We do get to see him too.

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 03:38:54 No.102814301 Report

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 03:41:34 No.102814318 Report

Quoted By: >>102814422 >>102815571

Even PC lovers will have to come to terms this season with the fact that no one sabotages her but herself. She's been eternally guilt tripped by her Mother's ghost and a sense of inadequacy and having to prove herself. The worst thing that happens to her is going to cement her more as the show's only deserved darling, even in spite of her flaws.

But there is a surprise with her and a happier twist/ending as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 03:43:54 No.102814339 Report

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Uh... People are still watching this gay furry drama animated novel?

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 03:47:17 No.102814371 Report

Quoted By: >>102814407 >>102814450

Great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 03:50:05 No.102814407 Report

Quoted By: >>102814552

>>102814371
Well, Bojack does pretty much ruin a life in this season.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 03:51:36 No.102814422 Report

Quoted By: >>102815281 >>102830351

>>102814318
PC just does less loathsome shit than the other regular characters except for Mr. PB who, though I like him, is only a "good guy" because he's too retarded not to be one. She has a very low bar to clear, but obviously, she fucks herself over, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 03:53:45 No.102814450 Report

Quoted By: >>102814517

>>102814371
I haven't seen S5 yet, but I'm not surprised since part of the show is just that's he's a trainwreck and a bad person. I wonder how this is different from him being sort of responsible for Sarah Lynn's death though? Or at least not stopping and sort of enabling her decline and death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 03:58:33 No.102814517 Report

Quoted By: >>102814735 >>102815065

>>102814450
Since most aren't paying attention anymore and I'm at full drunknenness, I'll say that Ana returns and is someone who fucks up the entire Diane/Bojack relationship, as well as is the catalyst for the shit hitting the fan. You're warmer than you think.

Also Diane's spiral and breakdown after attending a party with Mr PB (and his new beau) after their breakup is really interesting even if I dislike her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 04:01:44 No.102814552 Report

Quoted By: >>102814599 >>102814617 >>102818297 >>102828707

>>102814407
Hollyhock? Hollyhock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 04:05:59 No.102814599 Report

Quoted By: >>102814617

>>102814552
You leave that precious baby alone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 04:06:57 No.102814617 Report

Quoted By: >>102814735 >>102814833 >>102814916 >>102822898

>>102814599
>>102814552

The worst act Bojack does the entire show is in this season and that's all I'll say. And I mean it. Worse than Penny.

But it feels relieving in a weird way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 04:16:01 No.102814735 Report

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>>102814617
>>102814517

tell me how i'm not going to hate this. bojack is basically just going to get shit on and the viewer will hate him and side with diane?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 04:24:02 No.102814833 Report

Quoted By: >>102814867 >>102817184

>>102814617
In my head he pushes heroin on Hollyhock until she ODs and he doesn't take her to the hospital so he won't get in trouble but lets her die. But I wonder if it's even worse than that. Like he stabs Mr. Peanutbutter to death on purpose or something. Jesus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 04:26:46 No.102814867 Report

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>>102814833
The thing is Bojack could never get better if we kept rooting for it to be okay when he hadn't fully confronted things. And not in the usual self flagellating way and escapist way he did. To confront it sober and understand.

The thing is what you're saying...I won't say what's even warm but you're at least preparing yourself for the worst and that's good.

Also this season cements Mr. PB as best boy. I really was with everyone else and thought he'd spiral this season, but he doesn't, and shows heart and is just a delight.

A shame for everything then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 04:31:03 No.102814916 Report

Quoted By: >>102814962 >>102820972

>>102814617
>Worse than Penny.
That's fucking retarded to say that he did something bad with her, and I hate how the writers had that mindset by having him stalk her to apologize when it wasn't his fuckin fault.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 04:35:23 No.102814962 Report

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>>102814916
I agree that it wasn't his fault and it sucks that it eats at him so much. He was barely conscious and under the influence and actually wanted to stay out of her way and was just worried about her.

But unlike Penny, what he does is objectively bad here, rather than any sort of spark for debate about intention.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 04:38:27 No.102814992 Report

Quoted By: >>102821004

>Diane realizing she lost a good guy who cared

good

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 04:41:11 No.102815019 Report

Quoted By: >>102815299

Fuck you for spoiler image OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 04:45:39 No.102815065 Report

Quoted By: >>102815173

>>102814517
>Ana returns
>PB has a new woman

PB/Ana confirmed. This is fine by me because I think they're what the other needs. I only care about PB and PC being happy in this show.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 04:54:50 No.102815173 Report

Quoted By: >>102815322

>>102815065
Well you'll be a grumpy little camper after Bojack fucking murders both of them in cold blood in the finale.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:03:41 No.102815281 Report

Quoted By: >>102815303

>>102814422
I think there are several points where PB shows that if he chose to, he could acknowledge the shittiness that goes on all around him. He chooses ignorance and to not get involved because it makes it easier for him to be a happy person. All her really wants out of life is to be happy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:05:57 No.102815299 Report

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>>102815019
we all die at some time, my friend

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:06:20 No.102815303 Report

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>>102815281
This is why he handles the breakup better in spite of being the one that doesn't want it and even tries to work it out. Diane made her decision, he doesn't want to talk her out of it or make himself miserable chasing after someone that doesn't want the same as him, so he ends up choosing to move on and immediately distract himself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:08:12 No.102815322 Report

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>>102815173
Spoiler anon - please tell me that is you. I need this to be true - I need my depression kino

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:09:57 No.102815348 Report

Quoted By: >>102815400

This season sounds really interesting. I’m glad that they’re addressing that although Bojack’s trying to be a good person, he’s still an addict and handles tough situations with other people like he’s in a sitcom. I was expecting some romantic development with him and Diane (whether for better or worse), is that ever addressed OP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:10:29 No.102815353 Report

Quoted By: >>102815382

Wait - wait - we have all sort of accepted that this guy has seen the show - how do we know Netflix preview isn't made up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:13:44 No.102815382 Report

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>>102815353
Netflix preview is a real thing my man. The review embargo came off today and all of them saw it through that. Today at the Paleyfest Preview they also had a premiere of the season as well as critics that saw it on Netflix preview.

Look it up, it's a real thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:15:22 No.102815400 Report

Quoted By: >>102815450

>>102815348

Yes, they actually do have a heart to heart and even are honest about their feelings with each other.

Ana blows it all to shit though. By the end, it's almost a completely ruined relationship, but I love their fight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:21:15 No.102815450 Report

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>>102815400
Good. I might be in the minority here, but I absolutely do not want Diane and Bojack together. The bullshit narrative that they are only unhappy because they are smart enough to see the world for the shit place it is, and they could make each other happy because they can be smart together is childish - it is the sort of pseudo intellectual bull that someone like Dianne would believe, sure, but they would only drag each other down.

I still haven't forgiven Dianne for costing Bojack Wanda. Fuck her, and fuck her need to drag everyone down to prove how smart she is

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:21:42 No.102815456 Report

Quoted By: >>102815557

Any sex scenes?

Preferably Diane's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:29:46 No.102815529 Report

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I really know who drops the F-bomb on Bojack this time.

Please share this! I beg of you!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:31:10 No.102815547 Report

Quoted By: >>102815564 >>102815602

Sorry, had to redo my post.

Who drops the F-bomb on Bojack this time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:32:18 No.102815557 Report

Quoted By: >>102815602

>>102815456
Bojack's sweaty face as he shudders to climax inside Hollyhock

It is as disgusting as it sounds

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:33:23 No.102815564 Report

Quoted By: >>102815576 >>102815602

>>102815547
Hollyhock screams 'Fuck no!' as Bojack rapes her... It is terrible anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:34:11 No.102815571 Report

Quoted By:

>>102814318
>she didn't fuck the kids
this is not going to make it doc

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:34:45 No.102815576 Report

Quoted By:

>>102815564
Ah come on! Don't be that way! This is the only thing I wanted spoiled from season 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:35:32 No.102815581 Report

Quoted By: >>102815596 >>102815607

>>102808528
>Reviews of a show that hasn't aired yet
What the fuck. Why is this a thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:36:41 No.102815596 Report

Quoted By:

>>102815581
To convince you to watch it brainlet. You are the product

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:37:17 No.102815602 Report

Quoted By: >>102815630

>>102815564
>>102815547
>>102815557
So Bojack dies at the end of the season right?
If not i am not watching this garbo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:37:52 No.102815607 Report

Quoted By:

>>102815581
It’s a show that releases an entire season at once. Reviewers need time to watch the whole season. Also, it’s good advertisement for something that won’t be updating weekly and thus won’t generate interest with time

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:40:09 No.102815630 Report

Quoted By: >>102815638

>>102815602
No anon - One more season of him on the run

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:40:45 No.102815636 Report

Quoted By: >>102815658 >>102815730

>>102808582
Since this show is SJW, of course they are gonna portray the MeToo witchunt as ultimately good and that ALL the accused are really guilty in somehow cause infantilization is a term that is lost.

mark my post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:40:52 No.102815638 Report

Quoted By:

>>102815630
Dropped
Thank spoiler anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:42:06 No.102815647 Report

Quoted By: >>102815676 >>102815677

He rapes his daughter? Fuck it im not watching this trite. I already hated her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:43:14 No.102815658 Report

Quoted By:

>>102815636
Most of the #metoo stuff is treated as a parody in Todd's storyline. It is sort of asking the question of how we let men like that get to the position they do, rather than saying all me are rapists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:44:17 No.102815676 Report

Quoted By:

>>102815647
She is his half sister, not daughter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:44:25 No.102815677 Report

Quoted By: >>102815700

>>102815647
Little sister he thought was his daughter and treated as a daughter.

Thinking about it makes me sick to my stomach. And I don't mind cartoon incest usually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:44:55 No.102815682 Report

Quoted By:

>>102809385
Macxclean can you just link me please

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:45:51 No.102815694 Report

Quoted By:

He's not gonna rape Hollyhock. You guys are retards.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:46:19 No.102815700 Report

Quoted By: >>102815709

>>102815677
Is this real or you guys just trolling? If you're trolling, that's cool. I just wanted to know who told Bojack to fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:46:53 No.102815709 Report

Quoted By: >>102815753

>>102815700
Sorry anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:48:41 No.102815730 Report

Quoted By:

>>102815636
>show runner does interview before season 4 about how trump affect how they write the show
>constant shitposting from anons about how they're gonna go full retard
>a single trump joke on the news ticker
>same anons insist season 5 will them going full retard, this time for sure we swear

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:50:30 No.102815753 Report

Quoted By:

>>102815709
No big deal! I guess that's what I get for begging for a spoiler.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:52:33 No.102815765 Report

Quoted By: >>102815773 >>102815780 >>102815808 >>102815839

Spoiler anon here I'm sleeping now but come on do you really think he'd rape hollyhock.

You guys are way off in guessing but I'll put it to rest, the awful thing he does is not assault of holly. Duh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:53:32 No.102815773 Report

Quoted By:

>>102815765
He fucks PB and forgets to say no homo, causing PB to jump out of his bedroom window and fall to his death as seen in the trailer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:54:27 No.102815780 Report

Quoted By: >>102815818

>>102815765
And the lesson we have learned is leakers need trips

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:57:32 No.102815808 Report

Quoted By:

>>102815765
Hey man - you said to prepare for the worst. I was helping them prepare for the worst

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:58:22 No.102815818 Report

Quoted By:

>>102815780
I'm mostly shocked that I came back to people thinking I'd really post that he rapes Hollyhock. I've been keeping what he does in episode 11 vague...why would I randomly drop something like that? Hahaha.

Night guys.

Also, anon that named maxclean...you on the same forum as us?? Hi comrade, if so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:59:30 No.102815839 Report

Quoted By: >>102815876

>>102815765
>Spoiler anon here
>I'm sleeping now
????

Netlix shill?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 06:02:18 No.102815876 Report

Quoted By: >>102815893 >>102815935

>>102815839
The funny thing is I do script work with them, so yes, I guess I am a shill.

I'll post more information tomorrow and more spoilery pics, especially from 6,7 and 11. You'll know it's me by the caps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 06:03:40 No.102815884 Report

Quoted By: >>102815951 >>102816039

There's actual nudity in this season. Breasts, nipples and a scene where BoJack's erect penis is revealed to the audience a la Basic Instinct for a scene in Philbert.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 06:04:56 No.102815893 Report

Quoted By:

>>102815876
I managed to convince some people that Bojack would rape Hollyhock - hook me up with some script work bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 06:09:06 No.102815935 Report

Quoted By:

>>102815876
Is BoJack gonna be okay? Sounds like he's gonna fall out with Diane, lose Hollyhock in one way or another and get metoo'd at the same time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 06:10:46 No.102815951 Report

Quoted By: >>102816008

>>102815884
Is there actually any animated sexy female breasts in a netflix series? Are you even allowed to do that?

I always liked the idea of doing a casual nudity scene in my work and wondered if Netflix would foster an animated variant of it, nothing inheritance sexy, just no clothes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 06:18:10 No.102816008 Report

Quoted By:

>>102815951
Blue Is The Warmest Colour is on Netflix and that's got two girls literally eating each other's ass. The nude scene in this season isn't very sexualised but that's cos it's BoJack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 06:22:45 No.102816039 Report

Quoted By: >>102816042

>>102815884
does he have a human looking dick or a horse looking dick?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 06:23:19 No.102816042 Report

Quoted By: >>102816078

>>102816039
Horse, but he's not hung like a horse. Still decent size.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 06:28:06 No.102816078 Report

Quoted By: >>102823406

>>102816042
Confirms Diane took Mr Peanutbutter's knot.

Nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 09:09:29 No.102817143 Report

Quoted By:

>>102808582
>>102809710

This>>102810152
With it all set up, it'd feel insincere not to revisit the Hank story again.
They could even believably give it a more happy conclusion this time round.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 09:14:05 No.102817175 Report

Quoted By: >>102820607

>>102809475
>>102809539
Best boy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 09:15:25 No.102817184 Report

Quoted By:

>>102814833
Somehow stabbing PB would feel less painful then driving Hollyhock to her death.

Just don't let him ruin the one thing he's got close to right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 09:17:12 No.102817198 Report

Quoted By:

>>102808528
Why do critics get stuff early? Can't people watch stuff without reading a review of it? See if it's good for themselves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 09:58:11 No.102817501 Report

Quoted By:

>>102808729
Damn. I was hoping she'd be around long enough to get frisky with the staff. Elderly women are horny as hell. Kinda scary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 11:41:42 No.102818297 Report

Quoted By: >>102827003

>>102814552
I bet she takes the fall for a vehicular homicide or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 14:54:34 No.102820296 Report

Quoted By:

Gotta say, I'm not digging the episode where Diane digs into her Bostonian ancestry and starts yelling racial epithets at the black employees at Girlcroosh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 14:59:15 No.102820359 Report

Quoted By: >>102821165

>>102808528
Tell my faggot heart true. Is bojack ending up with Mr peanutbutter at all in the cards?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:16:56 No.102820591 Report

Quoted By: >>102820880 >>102836185

Why is Todd like the worst shit in this show? It annoys me that people defend this motherfucker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:18:01 No.102820607 Report

Quoted By:

>>102817175
>>102809539
They literally had PB had a epiphany since SEASON ONE where he will divorce bitch and doesn't feel a thing about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:25:55 No.102820732 Report

Quoted By:

>>102809604
Too obvious maybe? See the gag in Season 1 about Bojack's candid sex pics never getting released.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:37:06 No.102820880 Report

Quoted By: >>102820906 >>102828498

>>102820591

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:38:54 No.102820906 Report

Quoted By:

>>102820880
Said greentext forgot to mention that Todd's action bankrupt PB and force PB to work in a shoe store.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:39:44 No.102820921 Report

Quoted By:

>>102813963
>>102813983
Also Diane's wedding ring is gone in the trailer

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:42:01 No.102820947 Report

Quoted By:

>>102808582
>-Diane spirals
Fantastic, couldn’t happen to a more deserving character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:43:07 No.102820972 Report

Quoted By:

>>102814916
It was less about Penny's age and more about "let me rebound on my married friend's daughter right after she refused to cheat on her husband with me after staying at her house for months with the intention to bone her"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:45:39 No.102821004 Report

Quoted By: >>102826427

>>102814992
PB "cared" but not in an intimate way. He's the boyfriend version of the rich character who tries to win friends with money. He just happens to appear nice while doing it.

Diane is a massive bitch in some areas but I'd say all of her arguments with PB were justified

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:57:08 No.102821165 Report

Quoted By:

>>102820359
Not spoiler anon, but all things considered, I’m gonna say no. Unironically would probably be a healthier relationship the PB/Diane or Bojack/Diane

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 16:31:49 No.102821720 Report

Quoted By:

Will BoJack ever actually be a good person? I felt he was going in the right direction in Season 4, but he apparently does something awful again this season.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 17:40:07 No.102822651 Report

Quoted By: >>102822793

It would be neat if someone other than Bojack was told to fuck off. At least once. I know Bojack almost did that to his mother, but he never followed through on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 17:49:36 No.102822793 Report

Quoted By: >>102825461

>>102822651
The fact that none of the spoiler anons are touching the question probably means that whoever it is, it’s going to be pretty major. I’m predicting Diane during their fight or Bojack, either to himself in a moment of self loathing or when doing the unquestionably terrible thing he’s apparently going to do this season.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 17:51:18 No.102822817 Report

Quoted By: >>102822930 >>102823902 >>102832603

>>102808582
>-Diane spirals
lmao, remember when you guys were whining about her being the most perfect character on the show who gets away with everything?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 17:56:30 No.102822898 Report

Quoted By: >>102823020

>>102814617
>The worst act Bojack does the entire show is in this season and that's all I'll say. And I mean it. Worse than Penny.
Bullshit, no way. That was some legendary fucking up right there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 17:58:32 No.102822930 Report

Quoted By: >>102822961 >>102822985 >>102824055 >>102824198 >>102826529 >>102830237

>>102822817
To be fair, she has comparatively gotten off easy in suffering for the past few seasons, but it was pretty obvious from her binge with Bojack during season 2 that she’d spiral and self-destruct eventually. I feel for her though. It sucks that people on this board hate her so much just because she’s a sometimes hypocritical feminist

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:00:35 No.102822961 Report

Quoted By: >>102823810

>>102822930
4chan has a very thin skin about stuff and can't really grasp flawed characters if those flaws are things that offend them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:02:13 No.102822985 Report

Quoted By:

>>102822930
It not the only thing I'm mad about her. It the fact she, like Todd, got stuff handed to her and she took it for granted. She was a shitty delivery girl before she was lucky enough to have met PB when he just got divorce by his insane wife.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:04:38 No.102823020 Report

Quoted By:

>>102822898
While I don’t excuse his almost sleeping with a emotionally immature girl, the entire season was about how he too is stunted in his 20s and self-sabotages when he feels shitty about himself. Also the fact that Penny was the one to come on to him. The way the entire scene was done made it easy to at least question Bojack’s intentions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:09:06 No.102823097 Report

Quoted By: >>102823233 >>102826871

Do you think Bojack is ever going to have a real redemption? Do you think he even deserves one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:19:08 No.102823233 Report

Quoted By: >>102823299

>>102823097
It depends what you mean by redemption. I think by the end of the show he’ll be living a relatively peaceful life, I don’t think he’ll have good (or really any) relationships with the rest of the cast. I kind of see him ending up like Cuddlywhiskers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:25:12 No.102823299 Report

Quoted By: >>102823778

>>102823233
>I don’t think he’ll have good (or really any) relationships with the rest of the cast

That might be his most realistic direction. He'll just have to learn to accept that he has to cut his losses and move on. What other choice besides that and suicide does he have?

His late ex-friend Herb learned to be happy despite what Bojack did him. Cuddlywhiskers is a good example too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:31:40 No.102823406 Report

Quoted By:

>>102816078
They were married, I would hope so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:58:57 No.102823778 Report

Quoted By:

>>102823299
Yeah the rest of the main cast either enable his self-destructive behavior or resent him for it. I also don’t think he actually enjoys acting in big budget Hollywood productions, he seemed most excited about working with Kelsey. There’s nowhere for him to go but away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:01:09 No.102823810 Report

Quoted By: >>102823935

>>102822961
Her characteristics aren’t presented as flaws though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:09:48 No.102823902 Report

Quoted By:

>>102822817
even if she spirals it doesnt mean she isn't getting away with something, it means there's a chance we're supposed to sympathize with her

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:13:01 No.102823935 Report

Quoted By:

>>102823810
They certainly are, again you just don’t think so because she hasn’t suffered enough for them yet. The show spells out that she’s a lot like Bojack, but unlike him, she had a very understanding husband, a fairly stable career, and a better handle on her drinking problem and mental illnesses, so she was able to recover a lot better than him when her flaws caused her to self-sabotage. Now that she has seemingly lost all of those things, you’re going to see it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:22:03 No.102824055 Report

Quoted By: >>102824181 >>102824224

>>102822930
>sucks that people on this board hate her so much just because she’s a sometimes hypocritical feminist

And her episodes suck.

Honestly a lot of really shitty characters like PC get away with a lot of shit because some of her episodes are downright fantastic. Lots of people bag on Diane for that shitty anti-gun episode but just kinda ignore that PC was a major part of it as well just because she can carry her own episodes and plots and still be funny/entertaining. If Diane wasn't such a dead weight and funny black hole in most of her episodes people would probably tolerate her a lot more and appreciate her, as opposed to groaning because her episodes mean yet another 'hot topic' is going to be thrust to the forefront and take over while filling it with annoying strawmen. The only funny part of the Abortion episode was when she wasn't present at all, but for some reason they just keep giving her more and more focus at these topic pieces instead of giving her bigger roles in stuff like the Sinkhole episode, when she could really shine and be funny.

TLDR it's not the character, it's the writers never giving her funny episodes with herself as the focus, so people hate her more because both how she's used and the fact that her being used will inevitably lead to parts that aren't interesting, aren't very smart and most importantly aren't funny. She's girl-Todd, and fucking nobody likes Todd.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:31:04 No.102824181 Report

Quoted By: >>102830237

>>102824055
The show is for some reasonpretty damn obvious very afraid of having Diane be on the wrong side of a topic. The Not-Cosby episode, the Gun Control episode, the Abortion episode, even the one with the guy she went to work for had her be the right one who exposits why the others are wrong and then be respond to with huffing caricature indignity.

It'd be really refreshing for her to actually have a completely shitty cause that isn't helpful at all, like wanting to release all violent offenders from prison or something, and have it backfire so she has to keep forging reasons why she's still right. It could even end with her making everything work out just to have an actual funny punchline at the end. That'd be great. Really though she just needs a good episode and a huge chunk would flip on her, she can be a decent character if they'd present her being wrong on stuff. Shit, could you imagine how much everyone would hate Sarah Lunn if her addiction was portrayed as actually in the right and the only people disagreeing with her were all caricatures?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:32:35 No.102824198 Report

Quoted By: >>102824260

>>102822930
>Bojack and Wanda were happy together
>Bitchface decided to hide from PB and go to Bojack
>Bitchface's negative influence end up fucking up Bojack's relationship with Wanda
>that entire shit that happen with Bojack
>meanwhile, Bitchface went back with PB with a minor scolding
No, that asian bitch can go suck a cock. I really hope this season would bring her down to the very low point of her life, the shit she always wanted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:34:33 No.102824215 Report

Quoted By: >>102824891 >>102836063

It's funny how no one in this age can understand Daria, even Bojack writers think Diane is a close copy. Man, the new Daria is going to be fucking horrible and it's not because of Jane being replaced, it's because everyone gets the wrong idea on who Daria is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:35:17 No.102824224 Report

Quoted By: >>102826345 >>102830237

>>102824055
Diane has plenty of funny (or at least intended to be) storylines. You just don’t like them because they usually revolve around her grand political ideals and her having no way to practically carry them out, which leads to ridiculous compromises like dumb buzzfeed listicles and the Sextina song. A lot of people, both on and off 4chan, do find her and Todd funny. Their problems are just harder with a lot of people on here to relate to, and that’s fine. You’re allowed to not like them, but don’t say the characters are badly written because you don’t find their flaws interesting or funny. There are issues you can point to with how the storylines are done, but all I ever see on here is “she’s a hypocritical feminist who isn’t funny and doesn’t deserve the life she has”

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:38:36 No.102824260 Report

Quoted By:

>>102824198
I really liked Wanda, but that was 100% Bojack’s own fault. He could’ve easily left Diane and went with her to Santa Barbara

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 20:19:41 No.102824891 Report

Quoted By: >>102824944 >>102826327 >>102831726

>>102824215
Wait what? They’re redoing Daria?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 20:22:40 No.102824944 Report

Quoted By:

>>102824891
If you have to ask if they're redoing something the answer is yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 20:52:41 No.102825461 Report

Quoted By: >>102826626

>>102822793
>none of the spoiler anons
I wouldn't listen to those attention whores. Why would they spoil everything except on supposedly big thing in ep 11? I'll tell you why, they're trolls and nothing actually happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 21:46:36 No.102826327 Report

Quoted By:

>>102824891
It's going to be called "Daria & Jodie" and it will be about them "calling out sexism and racism"

There is no hope left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 21:47:57 No.102826345 Report

Quoted By:

>>102824224
>“she’s a hypocritical feminist who isn’t funny and doesn’t deserve the life she has”
All the good things in her life came from being first shacked up and then married to a rich man.

Now that she's thrown that away out of pique she's doomed.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 21:52:34 No.102826427 Report

Quoted By:

>>102821004
Spoiler anon back, and I'd argue with you on that. I don't think Mr. Peanutbutter moving on diminishes how much he cared about her, but rather is just his pathos and attachment style. Likewise, many things he did were about panic in losing her, he seemed to genuinely like her and love hanging out with her and having fun with her. If he isn't interested in someone he's pretty bad at faking it.

I didn't really like Peanutbutter much before this season, but I think certain aspects of his character are pretty clear if you just take them at face value. He is a people-pleaser, desperate to be liked, will take any chance to do it and think nothing is "beneath" him as long as it gives him an iota of approval, and "needs" people. Anyone. He's not actually very nice at all, unless he's invested in you or needs your attention (includes people in a crowd).

He wasn't trying to win Diane over with money though, and both Diane and Mr. peanutbutter were too focused on their own insecurities when things would come to a head. Mr. Peanutbutter was too defensive over the vulnerability of putting effort into a gesture being rejected at its core, not just in action but even in intention. Diane's discomfort with it slowly turned to impatience as even good intent transformed to selfish trampling and a bad habit of assumptions. He could not see that her rejection of this was not a rejection of him until he made it about that.

Diane on the other hand was always focused so much on the immense guilt she'd feel (that Mr. Peanutbutter never even needed to reinforce) and pressure she'd feel at having to react to these unwanted expressions of love. She would not only feel they should make her feel happy, but then vilify herself for not appreciating it and become put upon. She could not see that his actions were not coming from a place of expectations on her, but of a desperation and loneliness that she should have talked out with him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 21:58:35 No.102826529 Report

Quoted By:

>>102822930
Spoiler anon, this is how I feel about her. She's a complex character and I appreciate this season a lot more because she enhanced it.

I think half the board will feel very vindicated by her reaction to seeing Mr. Peanutbutter at the party they both attend+their interactions, and half are going to feel really bad for her. He's not vilified in any way, but my gut pretty much twisted for her because she was so destroyed by realizing that maybe she wasn't adding anything good to his life and maybe people are happier without her.

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 22:00:33 No.102826559 Report

Quoted By:

diane kill urself plz

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 22:05:27 No.102826626 Report

Quoted By: >>102826803 >>102828614 >>102830421

>>102825461
I don't know who else on here is a legitimate spoiler anon or had Netflix preview. Since the episodes premiered last night too at a festival I'm surprised more people aren't coming on to leak. But I haven't seen anyone say anything remotely right, though someone up there mentioned maxclean which makes me think some of us music industry/screen industry bros are in here. I've been trying to keep quiet because I want people to go into this without a huge bias, and I think some people are already going to go into it with a bias now that I've told them that Bojack does something more irredeemable and that this season really paints him as in the wrong/unlikable.

Diane stuff is especially important not to talk about, especially her fight with Bojack and how that ends, because she's such a divisive character. I don't really know how to answer people asking me if the narrative "lets her off", because even if she suffers a lot in this season, it's self-inflicted and made to be clear about that. She also crosses lines in my eyes on her confrontation with Bojack, but she's always been kind of cruel to him when she's angry and him to her. This just is that but magnified.

If I had to say, I guess I'll give my interpretation: I do think the season makes Diane realize she's not as good as she thought she was, but it also does a doozie in making us think Bojack is not even worth rooting for.

Does the narrative "let Diane off"? In my mind, sure, yes, in the sense that she's still painted as the better person in the end. That might piss people off and I don't want to give more details about what happens because I think people will be ready to shit on it for that alone. Fans are very defensive of Bojack.

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 22:17:04 No.102826803 Report

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>>102826626
Oh, and also, I have a feeling a lot of anons will hate Diane's rant on Philbert/Bojack. It's basically very much a rant against characters like him or Walter White and if it's responsible to portray people like this with any sympathy or complexity, and I will say that while the show was trying to be meta and self-aware, I rolled my eyes as it went on. Because it greatly overstates the importance of these narratives as anything but a reflection. Diane basically mouthpieces that characters like Philbert [meta Bojack] have responsibility in men absolving themselves from bad things and feeling like rogueish warriors feeling sorry for themselves when they are assholes to others. It's also obviously related to and tied in to MeToo and supposed to apply to that and a larger story that we tell ourselves as a society.

I think she, and the show, missed the mark on that. Or rather greatly simplified it. She's also always looking to absolve herself and feel righteous and associate acts of righteousness with goodness, which is also something that fucks up the world. That's literally how Hollywood got into this mess, with people(including women like Asia Argento) hiding behind smoke and layers of liberal politics and self righteousness, little to no self-reflection, and shallow activism.

They seem to always want to slightly touch Diane's struggles in reconciling that, but I don't think they ever go far enough. In a show about Hollywoo(d) and how people like Diane are actually essential to creating the type of atmosphere where a lot of abusers thrive, they could have tied her much better into this season's plotline, rather than making it be about how her biggest struggle is her compromising herself.

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 22:21:21 No.102826871 Report

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>>102823097
I don't see how he can get worse after this season. I know people always say that, but when he's at the point of self-harming/setting up injuries just so he can get a hold of more opioids, barely conscious, suicidal and psychotic breaks, I don't see how he can get worse.

I also don't see how he isn't treated like the sick person he is. He can still be held accountable, but every person close to him has known he has a problem, and supposedly upright and responsible people like Diane and even Princess PC should have enforced that more for him. Diane literally is the one that fetishizes Bojack's sadness, with telling him his brokenness is the only thing that makes her feel not alone and makes sense to her.

Their bond is a very immature one, I think, which is pathetic considering how old they both are.

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 22:29:37 No.102827003 Report

Quoted By: >>102827044 >>102827125 >>102827665

>>102818297
Here is my spoiler for Hollyhock and Bojack:

If you have ever known an opioid addict, you will know they find it impossible to care about something or someone they should.

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 22:32:18 No.102827044 Report

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>>102827003
so bojack doesn't rape her, but watches her get raped with utter apathy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 22:37:47 No.102827125 Report

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>>102827003
this implies heavily that bad things start happening to hollyhock and bojack neither cares nor notices.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 23:11:13 No.102827665 Report

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>>102827003
Sooooo... is it her or Diane that disowns Bojack this season?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 23:49:16 No.102828281 Report

Quoted By: >>102828568

So basically the show's gonna paint Diane as a tragic Mary Sue who can do no wrong. Greeeeaaat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 00:02:47 No.102828498 Report

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>>102820880
You forgot how Todd then did that stupid dentist clown bullshit that ultimately ended with people who Todd infected with rabies and instead of sending them to hospitals he makes MONEY out of these diseased people by using their illness to motivate fat people to exercise and lose weight. Todd and his asexual girl partner who created this business should be in prison right now. Fuck this awful character. He was never funny and not only is he pointless but also unaccountable for his misdeeds. He's probably the first male character who I see as annoying as a female one due to his lack of accountability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 00:07:25 No.102828568 Report

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>>102828281
Doubtful. Diane has continuously been painted as a similar character to Bojack who when things get good finds a way to break things but over thinking things etc. Her life is spiraling down and down shes going to be hanging out with Bojack because she has nothing better to do realize this and then have another break down over how pointless her life is in her perspective.

Bojack and Diane both have fairy tale beliefs of how life should be lived and seen. Unless things are perfect they're shit and because of this end up seeing nothing but flaws in what they have and see nothing but perfection in what they want then get what they want and its a repeating cycle. PB is a self aware positive individual who realizes despite his flaws well life can be complete shit its best to tackle it with a positive attitude. Hes the exact opposite of Diane.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 00:11:45 No.102828614 Report

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>>102826626
>I think some people are already going to go into it with a bias now that I've told them that Bojack does something more irredeemable

I've already seen a bunch of people who know what happens say that on social media and on websites, though, so unless you're the only person the season was shown to in advance, it's not you (or not just you, anyway) who let that slip, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 00:19:00 No.102828707 Report

Quoted By: >>102828777

>>102814552
Unless some people here are lying and Bojack really does rape Hollyhock, I'm betting it's either:

Similar to Sarah Lynn but worse, Bojack encourages her to take opioids or she doesn't it because he's doing it. Hollyhock ODs and dies, commits a life-ruining crime while on opioids, takes the fall for Bojack, or something.

Something bad happens to Hollyhock while Bojack is high, she gets raped or some shit. For it to be worse than Sarah Lynn, he's more active is causing it or giving it the go-ahead to happen.

Bojack purposefully or actively kills Hollyhock and/or somebody important to her while he's on drugs.

Basically, I'm expecting a Sarah Lynn repeat, but worse. When Sarah Lynn died, some viewers said, "Bojack murdered Sarah Lynn," but ultimately she did it to herself and the narrative left some plausible deniability about how at fault he was for what happened. Here, there will be no plausible deniability: it'll be clear to everybody that Bojack did it and it's totally his fault, made worse by this being a repeat of a past mistake her should have learned from already, but much, much worse instead of better. Making him irredeemable.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 00:23:46 No.102828777 Report

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>>102828707
>but ultimately she did it to herself

There is no "but" everything that Sarah Lynn did that led to her death was 100% her own fault. For fuck's sake Bojack never got her into the drugs. And when he heard about it his first instinct was "You STAY CLEAN!" If anything I found it pretentious and annoying how Bojack said when she died that he's responsible. No. Fuck that. She was the Queen Tier of into illegal drugs to the point she got Bojack to try special custom drugs as well that he's never heard of (the Doctor Wu ones). So I don't believe Bojack is her murderer. She did it to herself from the get-go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 01:59:36 No.102830237 Report

Quoted By: >>102832337

>>102822930
>everyone must hate her because femnazi!
Yeah, that has nothing to do with the fact she's been annoying as Todd since S1. Nothing to do with every episode focused on her being boring as hell. Nothing to do with the way she's been getting a free pass for all her bad behavior for the last 4 seasons while nearly every other character gets held accountable. It must be because of her politics! Also
>>102824181

>>102824224
>you can't say it's poorly written because you don't find it interesting or funny
Actually, that's PRECISELY the reason anyone will point to anything as poorly written. Because it failed to intrigue or entertain them, and that was the only job it had. If the audience says your shit sucks, blaming the audience doesn't make the material any better. If it was better written, even if the subject matter wasn't something they liked they would still enjoy it, because the writing would make it funny to everyone(not just those who agree with the premise) or at the very least interesting(and not just to those who already have an interest in the subject). The point of writing is to communicate your idea. If your audience is walking away, you've already failed HARD.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 02:05:41 No.102830351 Report

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>>102814422
>I like him, is only a "good guy" because he's too retarded not to be one
> MUH PB IS DUMB
He's literally the character with the most insight not counting Todd.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 02:09:17 No.102830421 Report

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>>102826626
>it also does a doozie in making us think Bojack is not even worth rooting for.
So whatever Bojack does is far more horrible than...
How shitty he's treated PC over the years?
How shitty he's treated Todd over the years?
How shitty he's treated Mr. PB over the years?
The shit with Herb?
The shit he pulled with Charlotte?
Literally abandoning Wanda over petty shit?
Getting Sara Lynn killed?
Because short of raping a 12 year old and then laughing about how much he likes to rape 12 year olds, I really don't see anything he could do that would be worse than what he's already done. Then again, I think you're mistaken in people around here thinking Bojack is a good person. Last I checked, everyone considered him a fuckup and just wondered if he'll ever pull out of it.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 02:17:04 No.102830561 Report

Quoted By: >>102830579

What if this show ends just like "Horsin' Around", with the Horse dying because no one loves him? It would be predictable and cliched as hell, but it would make the most sense. At least to me it does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 02:18:38 No.102830579 Report

Quoted By: >>102831197

>>102830561
That would be fantastic as long as they have some doctor telling the rest of the main cast that he died since no one loved him before it cuts to credits. I'd laugh my ass off. Even better if they don't try to be comedic about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 02:37:49 No.102830901 Report

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"Michael Vick made me a very strange offer, but I'm gonna hear him out."
Rewatching, Mr. PB is even better than I remember.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 02:56:31 No.102831197 Report

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>>102830579
That would be cool! Especially if the rest of the cast looked relieved that he's dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 03:31:39 No.102831726 Report

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>>102824891
80s and 90s nostalgia is big now, they're remaking everything they can get their greasy hands on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 04:06:50 No.102832337 Report

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>>102830237
Regardless of how much effort you put into crafting a story, there will be people who aren’t interested. I think what you were saying would make more sense if the majority of viewers hated Diane, but most of my normalfag friends like and relate to her. If you use the fact that some people on a Filipino basket weaving site aren’t pleased as justification for your criticism, then literally every piece of media ever created is bad.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 04:26:14 No.102832603 Report

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>>102822817
I'm happy to be proven wrong. It just took 5 seasons to happen.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 05:13:47 No.102833225 Report

Quoted By: >>102835097

He was making progress, and now they're taking it all away.

Why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 05:14:02 No.102833230 Report

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Spoiler anon just tell me one thing
Does Princess Carolyn make it out okay this season?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 08:37:26 No.102835097 Report

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>>102833225
The show should have ended right there. Literally perfect way to close the series.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 11:06:02 No.102836063 Report

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>>102824215
I think the comparison between Diane and Daria was meant to be a joke. I've been called Daria before in real life, when the only things I had in common were deadpan humour + glasses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 11:26:01 No.102836183 Report

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Spoiler anon pls tell me Hollyhock will be okay

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 11:26:19 No.102836185 Report

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>>102820591
Dianne exists and she trumps todd in being a bad person.

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