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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 17:33:14 2018 No.102474071 View Reply Original Report

>giving RiRi Williams her own series
>bringing gay iceman back after cancellation
>bringing Wasp back after cancellation (and making it a big deal that's it NOT just a limited series)
>more unsustainable Black Panther spinoffs (Shuri getting her own book)
>keeping America & Quentin Quire prominently featured in WCA aka girl Hawkeye vol 2 (which was cancelled)
>Netflix Defenders relegated to digital series
>Spider Verse sequel with Playstation synergy & lots of tie ins
>milking the death of Old Man Logan for 12 issues
>endless tie ins for Infinity War
>giving Inhumans the "Avengers Arena" treatment
>shuffling the deck chairs on the X Men color books and calling it "Uncanny X Men" a la Avengers No Surrender

how exactly did Cebulski save Marvel again?

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 17:34:41 No.102474094 Report

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>>102474071
>how exactly did Cebulski save Marvel again?

By not making Batman a fucking cuck thanks to Slade, that's how.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 17:41:09 No.102474170 Report

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He has no power. That lies in Sana Amanat.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 17:43:44 No.102474221 Report

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>>102474071
>how exactly did Cebulski save Marvel again?
Bendis and Willow Wilson are out

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 17:47:26 No.102474273 Report

Quoted By: >>102474490 >>102476100 >>102476393 >>102476494 >>102476524

I unironically enjoyed the end of Spider-Gwen and I'm liking Spencer's Spidey and Ewing's Hulk.
I'm butthurt about Duggan fucking Lifebringer Galactus tho.
What else should I read from Marvel?

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 17:49:52 No.102474301 Report

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>>102474071
at least he's giving the shitheads their own corner to fuck around in, and not the mavel universe proper

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:00:38 No.102474455 Report

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>>102474071
I totally get when people mad when existing characters they like get shafted for "diversity" or to push some author OC or whatever, but I'll never understand people being upset when something gets its own series. Why do you care if Ironheart or Shuri or West Coast Avengers exist? Some people obviously like these characters even if they aren't you. If you're not into something, just don't read it.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:03:12 No.102474490 Report

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>>102474273

>I'm butthurt about Duggan fucking Lifebringer Galactus tho.

gonna be forever beyond furious about this

unless he fixes it by the end of Infinity Wars

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:05:17 No.102474520 Report

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>>102474071
Giving Cates tons of symbiote books

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:06:47 No.102474545 Report

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>>102474094
>can't even go one post without company wars
/co/ is truly the worst board

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:06:55 No.102474549 Report

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>>102474520
>Cates
Who?

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:07:48 No.102474560 Report

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>>102474071
>giving RiRi Williams her own series
>>bringing gay iceman back after cancellation
Those are bad things though

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:08:09 No.102474564 Report

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>>102474455
I suspect it is the new mutants problem. That if these characters are marginally successful...even if it is just burn out success...it means they are encourage to continunously do the same cycle of. It's the brand new X!...we need to push X into the background so the new one can flourish. Now for a period of time the old X is dead. They'll come back because muh Legacy. Rinse wash repeat until the original character has been dead or shelved longer than they've been on screen.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:12:32 No.102474624 Report

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>>102474560
t. basedboi

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:14:20 No.102474655 Report

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>>102474071
okay, time to track the OP and dickslap him personally

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:15:08 No.102474672 Report

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>>102474624
Thanks, i really do consider myself based

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:35:43 No.102474984 Report

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>>102474545
Are you new? Slade cuck posts in every thread

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:37:00 No.102475003 Report

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>RiRi

I thought the normies even hated her. Why she coming back

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:40:12 No.102475049 Report

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>>102474094
Instead they cucked Spiderman making Osborn impregnate Gween while Deadpool wife fucked at least 5 other guys in one single run

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:41:58 No.102475075 Report

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>>102474984
They are clearly with Company war intentions

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 18:50:09 No.102475206 Report

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>>102474549
Meme flavor-of-the-month blandness

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 19:01:09 No.102475369 Report

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>>102474071
Fat fuck weeb cvck

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 19:04:29 No.102475410 Report

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>>102474455
Because there are far more deserving and interesting characters that deserve their own series but doesn't have one. Captain Britain should had definitely gotten his own series but hasn't in a while. He is a magic Superman that is also the protector of a magical realm and sometimes deal with magical threats. Tons of interesting stories you could tell with him but nada.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 19:11:26 No.102475530 Report

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>>102475410
Well, now he's a dad in one of the X-Books. Astonishing I think. It was in an annual.

Before that, it was that Marvel UK crossover, which I loved but generated like no buzz. Even here.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 19:18:53 No.102475670 Report

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>>102474071
Don't forget the Trojan horse, OP.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 19:40:01 No.102476019 Report

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miss me yet /co/ ?

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 19:44:50 No.102476091 Report

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>>102475410
m8 if we got a Captain Britain series from Marvel in 2018, they'd retire Brian and let the paki take up the Captain Britain mantle. Then she'd spend the entire time saving the denizens of Tower Hamlets from Nazi invaders from Luton. I don't want a CB series now, and neither should you.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 19:45:14 No.102476100 Report

Quoted By: >>102476145 >>102481593

>>102474071
>keeping America & Quentin Quire prominently featured in WCA aka girl Hawkeye vol 2 (which was cancelled)
What is wrong with this?
>>102474273
>What else should I read from Marvel?
Slott.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 19:45:19 No.102476101 Report

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>>102474455
Because bigotry.

>>102475410
It's because Captain Britain has repeatedly proven to be completely unpopular in the states. Same with every single Excalibur revival where he's been pushed into starring in.Tge only people who care about Brian enough to get him in a series are other brits. At least Ironheart, etc. are trying out new(er) things.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 19:47:08 No.102476124 Report

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>>102476019
How come no one has punched this nazi yet? He's provoking everyone with that Hitler Youth haircut too.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 19:48:27 No.102476145 Report

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>>102476100
Quintin Quire is cancer and should be forgotten. They've been trying to force him be the face of teen mutants for nearly a decade and it has never been an idea people have liked.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 19:48:56 No.102476152 Report

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>>102476145
this, fuck Morrison and Aaron

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 19:50:16 No.102476179 Report

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>>102476145
>something Morrison created is awful
Woah...

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 19:51:17 No.102476193 Report

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>>102476152
Under Morrison Quintin was good, because he understood he's an unlikable, pretentious edgelord. Aaron however thought this was a positive trait.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 19:56:47 No.102476289 Report

Quoted By: >>102476398 >>102478259

>>102475410
The existence of these sites don't negate that other characters or teams get their own, there are no fucking slots or quotas in amount of released series theses companies must fill. The truth as to why there's no Captain Britain series or whatever the fuck is because no one has pitched such thing and those who might do them justice simply don't care to write about them they're busy.

Do you think anyone asked for "Death the Inhumans", after the development they had in their last two series? No, but we got them anyway. Do you think anyone fucking asked for Weapon H, or Cosmic Ghost Rider? No, but they're still pushed because they were "successful" through some unknown metric, or because they want to exhaust Cates, I don't know. Either way, if they exist and Captain Britain doesn't (Brian or Faiza, who cares), it means no one actually cares to write them, that's it.

Also op is a fucking idiot:
>>102474071
>>Netflix Defenders relegated to digital series
Luke Cage will get a physical release in trade
>>giving RiRi Williams her own series
>>bringing gay iceman back after cancellation
Nothing wrong with this
>>bringing gay iceman back after cancellation
>>bringing Wasp back after cancellation
Again, nothing wrong with this. What's the matter, do their existence hurt you?
>>keeping America & Quentin Quire prominently featured in WCA
Yeah, they're members of the team, what's wrong with that?
>>endless tie ins for Infinity War
Those aren't tie-ins, those are minis. Infinity Wars only tied in, and loosely, with Doctor Strange. The rest are just minis that will be collected anyway in a single trade
>>shuffling the deck chairs on the X Men color books and calling it "Uncanny X Men" a la Avengers No Surrender
Didn't you fucking want Uncanny X-Men and the end of all the color books with a single team? And the end of the O5 too, to boot? Jesus fuck you guys are pretty as hell.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:00:41 No.102476340 Report

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>>102476145
IIRC there was a moment when Quire was good. Maybe not.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:02:01 No.102476364 Report

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>>102474490
>unless he fixes it by the end of Infinity Wars
I don't think he intends to use him in the event at all. He probably got told to revert the Big G back by editors.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:02:20 No.102476371 Report

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>>102474170
THIS

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:03:03 No.102476378 Report

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>>102474549
The one that's not Coates.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:03:08 No.102476380 Report

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>>102476340

the thing is that Morrison Quire would be a super villain so they had to sand his edges down.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:03:54 No.102476393 Report

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>>102474273
>I'm butthurt about Duggan fucking Lifebringer Galactus tho.

what happened?

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:04:10 No.102476398 Report

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>>102476289
>Do you think anyone fucking asked for Cosmic Ghost Rider?
Actually yes, a lot of people. Cates' arc on Thanos blew up in sales after the Frank reveal.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:10:29 No.102476494 Report

Quoted By: >>102476737

>>102474273
>I'm butthurt about Duggan fucking Lifebringer Galactus tho.
Same here but I dunno if it was actually his idea, given how anticlimactic it was. I really damn hope they reverse him at some point.
>What else should I read from Marvel?
From the current series I'm enjoying Sentry, Immortal Hulk, Marvel Two In One, Captain America, Champions and Doctor Strange. Since I really damn enjoyed Darkhawk, I'm waiting for Sleepwalker.
>>102476398
Yeah well, I guess people are plebs, I know he's selling well but his Thanos was ridiculous. All brute violence, no substance.
>>102476393
He had an arc in Infinity Countdown where Silver Surfer asked him to devour the planet full of Pymtron to prevent a catastrophe, Galactus refused because it would go against his new purpose, then at the end he still went and sacrificed himself, reverting and turning into Devourer again. It was dumb really, specially after seeing how Zdarsky used the concept with Emma Frost and the dying universe.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:10:47 No.102476498 Report

Quoted By: >>102476564

>>102474455
Two major reasons.

1. It dilutes the pool of eligible comics for sale. The riri comic could have been a more interesting character's comic.

2. Marvel does this to capatalize on initial sales. So a new series with a minority is created, this generates buzz in the SJW crowd so they buy it. Since they do not really read comics they only buy the first couple issues thus generating money for marvel short term but not being sustainable long term. Since Marvel sees this as acceptable they continue to do this.

While some people may be bigoted or racist the real issue is that Marvel creates these characters to capitalize a market that doesn't really care about comics and so comic fans feel burned.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:12:16 No.102476519 Report

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>>102474071
>reinstates all the faggy diversity characters after Alonso was panned for doing the same

DC IS FINIS XDD

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:12:28 No.102476524 Report

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>>102474273
I’m liking Moon Knight. Also waiting for Sleepwalker since Darkhawk was a fun ride.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:12:33 No.102476526 Report

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>>102475003
To prove that she can’t sell comics not titles Ironman

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:13:30 No.102476540 Report

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>>102475003

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:15:16 No.102476564 Report

Quoted By: >>102476674 >>102476850 >>102481183

>>102476498
>1. It dilutes the pool of eligible comics for sale. The riri comic could have been a more interesting character's comic.
Lol what? You make it seem like she's taking someone else's spot. There's no queue for this shit.
>Since they do not really read comics
Yeah nevermind you're one of those. It's funny because this is the sort of rhetoric from people who claim the big two are neglecting them and "bleeding sales", yet they're doing fine; so if they aren't reading and the SJWs supposedly aren't either, then who is?

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:15:21 No.102476569 Report

Quoted By: >>102478353

>>102476380
Not really, Brian Wood showed you could still do asshole Quintin without him being a straightout villain in his Quintin and Sniktbub mini. You just make him be a wannabe anarchist who fucks shit up for laughs and then panics when inevitably he's not in control anymore and he gets his comeuppance. That's the catch.

The main issue with the Quintin as a A-list teen mutant push has always been thay that they try to make him be something he isn't. He isn't the big handsome hero and future leader of the X-men. His gimmick is to be the obnoxious asshole from the back of the class whose existence everyone barely tolerates, who is always inciting trouble that gets out of control. You could do a character arc about him maturing but you don't do it the retarded way Aaron went about it where he's always the main attraction and he got way too big power upgrades way too quickly.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:17:12 No.102476598 Report

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>>102474170
This nigger understands. Sans is the real one in power.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:18:55 No.102476626 Report

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>>102474071
>endless tie ins for Infinity War
I think they wanted to follow the Annihilation, Annihilation Conquest, War of Kings, and Thanos Imperative model but they fucked up their main story and the tie-ins really don't have to do much with the main story.

Out of those I only enjoyed Darkhawk and I'm looking forward to Sleepwalker. I really want Sims and Bower to get a Darkhawk comic.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:19:27 No.102476634 Report

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>>102474071
Sounds like the typical Marvel comics of the past 10 years

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:21:40 No.102476659 Report

Quoted By: >>102481623

>>102474221
Willow isn’t out, she’s just writing for DC as well

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:22:45 No.102476674 Report

Quoted By: >>102476884 >>102477044

>>102476564
SJW's in bulk don't read comics though. There is a reason why Marvel's talent all jumped ship. Marvel doesn't give a shit since the movies is where they make the money anyway. Do not let your stances give you selective bias towards facts. Look at the actual numbers of sales and then compare it to the trends.

And if you think there isn't a limit to the amount of series released at a time you are naive. There are only so many artists and writers. Not to mention that people have to make sacrifices to their pull lists due to the number of titles.

I have nothing against characters getting their own series, I was just answering a question.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:22:51 No.102476676 Report

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>>102474455
>I'll never understand people being upset when something gets its own series. Why do you care if Ironheart or Shuri or West Coast Avengers exist?
Those characters have proven to be book killers. They arent interesting enough to sustain the titles of the people who’s names they took. If they can’t even do that, they could never sustain their own books. They exist solely by the virtue of diversity of skin color or gender. Not by being good characters.
Some people obviously like these characters
“Some” doesn’t add up to sustainable sales. As I’ve said, these characters kill books. That’s literally their superpower.

If you're not into something, just don't read it.
Nice strategy. Tell us not to read comics, and when we criticize a comic with flaws, you will turn around and accuse us of not reading comics.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:24:40 No.102476701 Report

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>>102474071
I just want the X-men to stop being shit.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:27:43 No.102476737 Report

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>>102476364
>>102476494
Yeah I'm thinking it was an editor thing too since Duggan never did anything with him.

Then again Duggan set up so many things were nothing happened who knows what his original plan for Infinity Wars was because he had the Raptors, Nova, Chitauri with War Bringer, Super Skrull, and was teasing Beta Ray Bill and all of that got dropped for Avengers and some weird Avengers mash up stuff which wasn't Duggan's idea (in one of the Marvel panels for this year's SDCC they admitted that the idea came from Cates and other editors and writers dicking around during a meeting and they decided to add that to Infinity Wars).

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:29:57 No.102476778 Report

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>>102474455
>Some people obviously like these characters
Then maybe they should just put these characters on cartoons or something else because these people sure don't buy their comics.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:33:51 No.102476850 Report

Quoted By: >>102477085

>>102476564
>yet they're doing fine
Yeah everything is fine. Forget that over 50 comic shops were forced to close down last year. Forget that almost 20 more have closed so far this year. Forget that IDW’s comic division is over 2 million dollars in debt. Forget about the ever decreasing cancellation threshold for ongoing Big 2 comics. Forget about Shogun’s thinly veiled desperate plea for new talent on twitter. Forget about DC’s pitiful Walmart gambit.

Everything is perfectly fine.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:35:17 No.102476868 Report

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>>102474071
What if he brings back Ligma

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:36:10 No.102476884 Report

Quoted By: >>102476946 >>102476955 >>102477039

>>102476674
>SJW's in bulk don't read comics though. There is a reason why Marvel's talent all jumped ship.
Alright pal we answer me this sincerely: do you really, honestly think they only read books about gay, trans, POC and minorities in general?
>And if you think there isn't a limit to the amount of series released at a time you are naive.
Marvel publishes way more books than DC, so yeah there aren't. If they were to simply curb down all the minis, they would have around 15 books or more extra they could publish. Not to mention some writers do two, even three series at the same time and there's a lot of artists working at Marvel right now.
You talk about facts but you strike me as another DnC drone who thinks he really has an understanding of the industry while milking his "fanbase" with a book that isn't worth $25 at $50, and on top of that objecting at the criticism of the price quota.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:38:38 No.102476924 Report

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>>102474455
>Some people obviously like these characters
Clearly not enough people, seeing the abysmal sale rates of Marvel. The supposed "new customerbase" simply isn't there.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:40:09 No.102476946 Report

Quoted By: >>102477085

>>102476884
>Alright pal we answer me this sincerely: do you really, honestly think they only read books about gay, trans, POC and minorities in general?

Not him. But why do you think SJWs read in the first place? Only thing they read is their Twitter feed 17 hours a day. Throw some tumblr-tier "life" comic strips in the mix, at least they read those.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:40:52 No.102476955 Report

Quoted By: >>102477085

>>102476884
>Marvel publishes way more books than DC, so yeah there aren't. If they were to simply curb down all the minis, they would have around 15 books or more extra they could publish. Not to mention some writers do two, even three series at the same time and there's a lot of artists working at Marvel right now.
You realize these things cost money, right? Do you understand how business works?

>DnC
There it is. Rent free.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:43:53 No.102477009 Report

Quoted By: >>102477047 >>102477066 >>102479992

>>102474071
what's the point of replying to DCfags threads made for DCfags who just wants to sperg on Marvel since they don't have anything else going on right now?

I might as well post about the time Slade made a cuck out of Batman.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:45:33 No.102477039 Report

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>>102476884
Even this bleeding heart TDS-afflicted retailer hates these no-selling diversity books because they are hurting his store.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:45:40 No.102477044 Report

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>>102476674
>Bendis
>talent

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>>102477009
/thread

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:47:08 No.102477066 Report

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>>102477009
>Cuckoldfag is ladderbro
Can't be...

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:48:10 No.102477085 Report

Quoted By: >>102477157 >>102477234

>>102476946
> Only thing they read is their Twitter feed 17 hours a day.
Nice strawman and not at all what I was asking about, cool!
>>102476955
Rent free what, faggot? When losers like this >>102476850 repeat the same argument of the stores closing as if that's Marvel's fault and not Diamond for their distribution tactics and how they're keeping an outdated format in life support, you can definitely tell where they're coming from. Floppies need to die, digital series and trades should be the norm. These stores died because they were most likely treating comics like a boutique store, and didn't diversify their market. I'm not even fucking saying "turn everything into B&N and Amazon", just adapt to the times: floppies are too expensive for what they actually have inside, even the old ones wouldn't cost as much for a bunch of ads. It makes no sense and these 50 dead stores already sounds like a tired argument.
>>102477039
And that was from last year you faggot, it was all about Diamond.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:48:48 No.102477094 Report

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Wait, I thought Ice Man was just killed?

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:50:06 No.102477116 Report

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>>102477066
It was obvious, only that feet fetishist could be so autistic

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:52:02 No.102477157 Report

Quoted By: >>102477285

>>102477085
>sjw barges into a new hobby and says that it needs to be destroyed
Every time.
Marvel and DC are propped up entirely by their three-months-in-advance-every-month pre-orders. Going OGN means the risk goes up, meaning that the only books they're going to be publishing will be Spider-Man, X-Men, Batman.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:52:15 No.102477166 Report

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>>102475670
worse than goatse

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:56:00 No.102477234 Report

Quoted By: >>102477285

>>102477085
>Nice strawman
Not a strawman, SJWs do not buy or read comics. Its a financial suicide to think they are your audience.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:58:36 No.102477272 Report

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>>102474071
>>giving RiRi Williams her own series
>>bringing gay iceman back after cancellation
>>bringing Wasp back after cancellation (and making it a big deal that's it NOT just a limited series)
>>more unsustainable Black Panther spinoffs (Shuri getting her own book)
>>keeping America & Quentin Quire prominently featured in WCA aka girl Hawkeye vol 2 (which was cancelled)
>>Netflix Defenders relegated to digital series
>>Spider Verse sequel with Playstation synergy & lots of tie ins
>>milking the death of Old Man Logan for 12 issues
>>endless tie ins for Infinity War
>>giving Inhumans the "Avengers Arena" treatment
>>shuffling the deck chairs on the X Men color books and calling it "Uncanny X Men" a la Avengers No Surrender

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 20:59:31 No.102477285 Report

Quoted By: >>102477330 >>102477361

>>102477157
Dumbass, many current writers have been saying the exact same thing, a series success cannot rely on whether a single episode of an arc successful or not due to sales, specially when not every title can pull the same numbers as Superman/Batman/Spider-Man/Wolverine. In order to strike a balance you must allow them to get a footing before axing them.
Furthermore I never said OGNs, I specifically said "trades". The current experiment of releasing series digitally then collecting them in trades is more financially sound than releasing the same series in three different formats, while one of them (the most expensive one, floppy) doesn't pan out commercially.
It's always the same crude, obtuse outcry about alleged SJWs when you have absolutely no idea about where the current market is heading; there's been a lot of talks about reinventing the market and it's going in that direction anyway, what with the trades rising consistently in sales for years while floppies get more stagnant.
>>102477234
You didn't fucking answer my question so you may as well fuck off.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:02:49 No.102477330 Report

Quoted By: >>102477457

>>102477285
Digital sales have been stagnant for years. This is the ceiling. Floppies dying aren't going to increase them. Nor will floppies dying result in a flock to trades/ogn, considering that their sales also dipped last year thanks to Marvel's refusal to unfuck itself and DC following them down the drain.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:05:03 No.102477361 Report

Quoted By: >>102477457

>>102477285
>You didn't fucking answer my question so you may as well fuck off.
I already did. They don't read anything else but Tumblr blogs and Twitter feed. They are not an audience for anything else than fast food joints and Starbucks. And thats not a strawman, whether it be comic books, literature, movies or video games, SJWs are not enthusiasts of any of these things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:10:33 No.102477457 Report

Quoted By: >>102477494 >>102477642 >>102477950

>>102477330
>Digital sales have been stagnant for years.
As far as I'm aware, they do NOT release these digital numbers and they're based on guesswork, which is true of Comixology in particular, the biggest seller. During
Diamond doesn't distribute those obviously. So that's why the number remains the same, it's not a ceiling, it's lack of data.
>>102477361
These SJWs you think of are imaginary beings that only exist in your head, because no one, absolutely NO ONE DOES THIS EXCLUSIVELY YOU FUCKING IDIOT. This is part of the delusion, thinking that your "enemy" simply doesn't partake in your hobby at all somehow. Once you take this to heart despite not being true, it makes sense you actually believe they don't exist even though you could go to literally any of the many writers on Marvel (protip: don't just go for low hanging fruit like Squirrel Girl, check Cates or Ahmed or Ewing and Thompson/Rosenberg/Brisson) to see hordes your so-called SJWs frequently interacting with them.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:12:58 No.102477494 Report

Quoted By: >>102477672

>>102477457
>This is part of the delusion, thinking that your "enemy" simply doesn't partake in your hobby at all somehow
They take part in it in such a casual sense that their "part" in it is irrelevant. IF THEY WOULD TAKE MORE PART IN IT, IT WOULD SHOW ON THE SALE NUMBERS YOU PILLOCK. Marvel has had the worst sales numbers it has had in DECADES, and you try to give me bullshit that this "new audience" is enthusiastic and plentiful.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:22:11 No.102477642 Report

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>>102477457
They don't release the numbers each individual title sells, but they do release annual revenues. That's what it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:24:04 No.102477672 Report

Quoted By: >>102477718 >>102477859

>>102477494
>IF THEY WOULD TAKE MORE PART IN IT, IT WOULD SHOW ON THE SALE NUMBERS YOU PILLOCK
This is the part that you didn't understand from my question: when I asked if they read exclusively the things I mentioned was because they still buy the other stuff that sells well anyway. The so-called SJWs the way you described are a fucking minority compared to the rest of the universe of fans, who aren't MAGA alt-right imbeciles with stick up their asses about diversity.
Also you really must have some sort of manual to engage liberals or bullshit like that because I absolutely said NOTHING about a new audience. I said they engage just as much as any other fanbase and it reflects directly on the things the writers I mentioned usually speak of. This is why I really think you're living in denial.
When you say "reflect on sales" I absolutely must ask what the fuck you're talking about, because the series are selling the same way they always have and if you're talking about the D-tier solo series then again, it seems like you really think these people only care about those.
>Marvel has had the worst sales numbers it has had in DECADES
Find some new material, seriously. Go check this year's sales and come back to me.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:26:44 No.102477718 Report

Quoted By: >>102477859

>>102477672
>Go check this year's sales and come back to me.
YTD sales are down 2% from where they were at this time last year, and last year was a 10% drop.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:28:17 No.102477745 Report

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>>102477066
>ladderpedo
Fixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:34:11 No.102477859 Report

Quoted By: >>102480278

>>102477672
>was because they still buy the other stuff that sells well anyway.
Lie. No they don't. SJWs do not like or read comic books, just like they don't like movies, video games or literature for that matter. The derogatory term by itself describes a person who is perpetually offended and spends all zher days on Twitter witch hunting mobs. SJWs by their very definition are not enthusiasts of anything else than victim olympics.
>I said they engage just as much as any other fanbase
No they don't. Theres a reason Legacy was announced and that was not because catering to this new woke audience was a success. It wasn't.
>because the series are selling the same way they always have
No they don't. Comic book shops are closing, their owners themselves have said they fucking hate these minority comics that are running them out of business. This isn't the first time Marvel comics have done badly but it most likely will be the last time. Somehow they managed to scare away even most of the fanatic whales who used to buy that Spider-Man, Thor or Ironman no matter how bad they got. How the fuck do you manage to do that? Simple: Cater to an audience who openly hates your old audience and wants to push them away.
>Find some new material, seriously. Go check this year's sales and come back to me.
like this guy said: >>102477718
You better start your fucking lying now.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:35:00 No.102477872 Report

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>>102474071
>Netflix Defenders relegated to digital series
good

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:38:40 No.102477950 Report

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>>102477457
I love how you talk like your are from /pol/ but are defending SJW's. Really goes to show that there is no difference between SJW's and MAGA's, they are both toxic.

Everyone is being rational and trying to have a discussion and you are making up facts and projecting. Numbers don't lie, hell even the talent from Marvel were upset by the failing books they were pushing that they left. May I ask you for evidence, since you are asking for evidence? I want comics to succeed but with hte current trend they are going to fail faster than they already were. Marvel literally has done 3 rebranding relaunches in less than 5 years because PoC comics for the sake of diversity doesn't sell. If you make an interesting story that isn't shoehorning in diversity it will sell.

Just for an example of evidence. Black Panther issue 2 was the highest selling book with a PoC lead, it ranked 41 in sales for June. So don't sit there telling me the books sell when they don't.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:41:08 No.102477999 Report

Quoted By: >>102478122

>>102474071
>the issue is not having "diverse" characters it's how they're written!
>new creative teams, characters stay
>REEEEEEE
Okay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:46:17 No.102478122 Report

Quoted By: >>102478226

>>102477999
>new creative teams

its the exact same writers on Iceman, Wasp, and WCA

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:51:17 No.102478226 Report

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>>102478122
WCA hasn't been published in years, but I guess you mean that the writer already worked on Hawkeye, which still makes her a new writer for most of those characters. Besides I thought people liked her Rogue & Gambit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:53:12 No.102478259 Report

Quoted By: >>102480006 >>102481722

>>102476289
>The existence of these sites don't negate that other characters or teams get their own, there are no fucking slots or quotas in amount of released series theses companies must fill.

There is a finite amount of comics Marvel can budget for and produce in any given month. If they choose to hire untalented creators to produce objectively bad books starring unpopular characters, people are going to ask why they're choosing to do this, instead of doing things the audience might actually want.

That is to say, the audience they know they have, not the audience they want, but isn't interested and never will be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 21:57:34 No.102478353 Report

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>>102476569

If he survived his first story by Morrison, or after his first story by Aaron, he should have gone straight to prison, not gotten to be written as the antihero protagonist of a book, without any work being done to try and redeem or rehabilitate him.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 22:03:48 No.102478518 Report

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Why hasn't the police arrested him for hate speech yet?

I'm going to report you to Scotland yard for insulting Mohammed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 22:17:30 No.102478852 Report

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>>102474071
You can only do so much when you're at the mercy of marketers with no real experience with the comics but lots of ideas. Cebulski's in the same position DeFalco was in 25 years ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 22:17:50 No.102478860 Report

Quoted By: >>102479881

>>102476124
So I take it you aren't buying Jawbreakers this week? D:

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 23:01:12 No.102479848 Report

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>>102474221
And now you have Aaron to lead the way for Marvel

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 23:02:46 No.102479881 Report

Quoted By: >>102479954

>>102478860
Fuck that soiboi, I'm buying five copies of Jawbreakers and personally invited Richard over to fuck my wife and daughter. Can't wait to see those SJW tears over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 23:05:45 No.102479954 Report

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>>102479881
i hope your wife is a darkie, he only likes non-cracker waifus

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 23:07:51 No.102479992 Report

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>>102477009
Speak for yourself, subhuman

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 23:08:23 No.102480006 Report

Quoted By: >>102481882

>>102478259
>That is to say, the audience they know they have, not the audience they want, but isn't interested and never will be.
Let me reiterate this: you don't get the books you supposedly want because no one pitches them in first place nor there's interest. Unfortunately for you and me and others, there's more interest right now in what's being done with Uncanny X-Men than in any Nova series, or an actual ongoing with the GOTG that stays away from events and such. There's simply no interest in that because time has proven over and over that the alleged audience that Marvel "already has" that also supposedly isn't "SJW" because they "don't care about diversity" and shit like that isn't actually there.
You gotta come to terms with the fact that right now you're a minority audience. You keep thinking Marvel is somehow swimming against the tide but whenever one takes a look at what is currently selling (not the numbers, the actual series), you can see clearly that there's nothing that indicates this alleged silent boycott against these series in favor of more "traditional" shit. It just turns to status quo over and over, it's the norm. Only someone with his head up his ass and too outraged to think beyond his bubble can see that there's other factors affecting beyond their shit, bland taste.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 23:08:26 No.102480007 Report

Quoted By: >>102480060

>>102474455
>completely reasonable opinion
>4chan

Buddy, you don't belong here

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 23:11:03 No.102480060 Report

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>>102480007
Yeah, it's a reasonable post replied by all sorts of faggots actually attributing the existence of these series to a conspiracy against the things they like.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 23:20:40 No.102480278 Report

Quoted By: >>102480368 >>102480432

>>102477859
>SJWs do not like or read comic books, just like they don't like movies, video games or literature for that matter.
Not that anon but how fucking deluded are to where you genuinely think SJW'S or whatever fucking enemy you want to blame the world's problems on are totally allergic to any kind of entertainment? They're still humans you dumb fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 23:24:00 No.102480368 Report

Quoted By:

>>102480278
>They're still humans you dumb fuck.

You can't just throw out implausible statements like that without a shred of proof, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Aug 2018 23:27:04 No.102480432 Report

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>>102480278
I stopped replying to that guy because I realized it was a lost cause. Can't engage with someone so deep up his own ass to acknowledge that there's fans with different interests than his, and on top of that, outright deny their existence as if I didn't see them daily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Aug 2018 00:01:39 No.102481183 Report

Quoted By:

>>102476564
>Lol what? You make it seem like she's taking someone else's spot. There's no queue for this shit.
They kind of are. Marvel doesn't have infinite resources to make comics. (Writers, artists, marketing, etc.) Using resources on one thing means you won't have them for another.

Instead of making a book about Riri (who sold poorly in the past, has only a handful of historical/ironic moments, and is stained with the 'minority legacy' label no matter how good she is), they could do a book on another, beloved character or team. Heck, we have minis and ongoings for beloved, but underrated characters like Domino and Sentry. I'd like to see Riri in her own book, but AFTER Zub's finished building her up and giving us a reason to want her solo adventures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Aug 2018 00:22:03 No.102481593 Report

Quoted By: >>102481609

>>102476100
> Using the West Coast Avengers brand name.

> Aiming it at people who don't know what West Coast Avengers even was.

> People who grew up with West Coast Avengers will find it unrecognizable.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Aug 2018 00:23:09 No.102481609 Report

Quoted By: >>102481755

>>102481593

if only there was some kind of continuity. like maybe the leader of the old team was on the new one to help teach them how to do it

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Anonymous Tue 21 Aug 2018 00:24:10 No.102481623 Report

Quoted By:

>>102476659
>the cancer has metastasized

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Anonymous Tue 21 Aug 2018 00:30:15 No.102481722 Report

Quoted By:

>>102478259
The key is to keep your audience happy while also seeking to encourage new avenues.

You do this by introducing new characters alongside the established favourites, slowly building them up. What you don't do is shove them down people's throats while ditching your established characters and brands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Aug 2018 00:32:03 No.102481755 Report

Quoted By:

>>102481609
Yes, but Clint is the only thing West Coast Avengers about KT's West Coast Avengers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Aug 2018 00:39:33 No.102481882 Report

Quoted By: >>102481980

>>102480006
Marvel shots out endless Spiderman, Deadpool, arc because those are the only things comic book "fans" buy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Aug 2018 00:43:25 No.102481951 Report

Quoted By:

>>102475410
Marvel doesn't do magic much anymore.

Even Strange doesn't do magic anymore thanks to Aaron. He's now been moved into the cosmic Marvel universe.

Everything's Cosmic or street level these days. The days when the Darkhold even had it's own comic are long gone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Aug 2018 00:44:42 No.102481980 Report

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>>102481882
Exactly, the rest of the output that is devoid of politics and focuses on lesser known stuff while pushing forward the envelope (using good, let known artists even) sells like shit. Just look at the Infinity Countdown: Darkhawk mini, the average sales were 14K, and one has to wonder how much is that from the "Infinity" brand name, seeing as the mini itself basically has nothing to do with the event itself.
Meanwhile I bet the upcoming Asgardians of the Galaxy series will sell better based on the whole hype about Thor maybe joining the GOTG in the movies, while the main series just ends in a few months.

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