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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 10:57:36 2018 No.101889412 View Reply Original Report

>cartoon references magical girl
>it’s always Sailor Moon

When will the West be more creative?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 10:59:42 No.101889435 Report

Quoted By: >>101889456 >>101889571 >>101889709 >>101893839

>>101889412
Because normie tier anime watching bugmen produce cartoons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:01:04 No.101889449 Report

Quoted By: >>101889482

>cartoon references female character
>it's a magical girl
Magical girls are so 20 years ago
Magical traps are where it's at now

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:01:30 No.101889453 Report

Quoted By: >>101889571

>Creativity
>In western TV animation
>In 2018

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:01:34 No.101889454 Report

Quoted By: >>101889571

>>101889412
It's gotten so bad that it made me miss bad Dragonball parodies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:01:41 No.101889456 Report

Quoted By: >>101889480

>>101889435
I'm pretty sure they have heard of Pretty Cure,or god forbid, Madoka

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:02:36 No.101889468 Report

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>>101889412
can someone redraw this pic but like this sonic pic

which was originally bugs bunny in blackface

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:03:25 No.101889473 Report

Quoted By: >>101889498 >>101889571 >>101889588

>>101889412
How is referencing anything creative to begin with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:04:20 No.101889480 Report

Quoted By: >>101889507 >>101889561 >>101889571 >>101891140

>>101889456
Im not positive, but i dont believe any magical girl show besides sailor moon ever aired on american channels. Or at least, kids programming blocks.
Thats probably biggest reason for what OP is describing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:04:26 No.101889482 Report

Quoted By: >>101889596

>>101889449
They already made a magical guys show as a comedy for fujoshi to watch

Another is a Madoka clone had a boy transforming into a girl

And then there's Prisma Illya who's targeted at pedophiles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:04:46 No.101889483 Report

Quoted By: >>101889571

>>101889412
>west
>more creative
When they stop hiring the kind of people who think of Sailor Moon when they think of magical girls.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:06:29 No.101889498 Report

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>>101889473
its ok when non family guy cartoons do it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:07:22 No.101889507 Report

Quoted By: >>101889578

>>101889480
It did had Smile Precure re-titled as Glitter Force, which was inherently comedic and child frieldly compared to most seasons like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPdcjeaw0-U

But alas, with 15 years, you'd think they show the magical girl show that's actually popular in Japan today

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:07:40 No.101889508 Report

Quoted By: >>101889533 >>101889571

>western art never gets referenced
>new creative visuals that aren't based on anything are less common

... why do western artists hate their own culture?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:09:06 No.101889521 Report

Quoted By: >>101889569 >>101889571

>>101889412
Its not so much about being creative with a reference, but more about how many people will actually get said reference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:09:50 No.101889533 Report

Quoted By: >>101889571

>>101889508
Western culture have weird restrictions

If it's for adults, it tries to be as offensive for possible

If it's for teenagers below, it tries to be careful over violence

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:13:03 No.101889561 Report

Quoted By: >>101889608 >>101890427 >>101891231 >>101895664 >>101897599

>>101889480
it all comes down to familiarity.

people CAN make obscure/hardcore references but if the majority doesn't get it, what's the point?

or people will just confuse it for the more familiar/popular one.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:13:41 No.101889569 Report

Quoted By: >>101889616

>>101889521
The point of making a reference to make a nos or pay respects to someone you enjoyed or that influenced you. It’s nit supposed to be about hiw many people will agree with and ubderstand you Why would you go out of your way to make a reference if you care more about if people will “get it” than you do referencing anything?

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:13:48 No.101889570 Report

Quoted By: >>101890530

Same thing happened in nuDucktales. One of the characters got an anime transformation based on Sailor Moon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:14:02 No.101889571 Report

Quoted By: >>101889588

>>101889412
>>101889435
>>101889453
>>101889454
>>101889473
>>101889480
>>101889483
>>101889508
>>101889521
>>101889533
This very fucking board refuses to watch the one Western magical girl show worth referencing.

Where do you anons get off complaining about this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:14:52 No.101889578 Report

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>>101889507
GF premiered in 2012, and that was just in Asia. It didnt get to America until 2015. Sailor Moon has had a solid 20 year headstart in influencing Western artists, comparatively speaking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:16:33 No.101889588 Report

Quoted By: >>101889609

>>101889571
I >>101889473 wasn't singling out anime references specifically, but references in general as a substitute for original high concepts and good writing

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:17:24 No.101889596 Report

Quoted By: >>101889642

>>101889482
>I didn't even believe you until I saw for myself

Pedophiles are such an untapped market.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:19:24 No.101889608 Report

Quoted By: >>101889669

>>101889561
But the thing is a number current cartoon creators are clearly anime fans and putting in references that they like, yet for the magical girls side it's surprisingly limited

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:19:31 No.101889609 Report

Quoted By: >>101889643

>>101889588
Your post was just quoted for being retarded

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:20:18 No.101889616 Report

Quoted By: >>101889864

>>101889569
that logic feels catered for the "i'm hardcore so i got that reference" crowd.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:20:22 No.101889618 Report

Quoted By: >>101889665 >>101897521

>>101889412
Literally Hibiki's transformation from Symphogear

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:22:14 No.101889642 Report

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>>101889596
Precure officially targets little girls, parents, and older males (with the action scenes)

But Illya really pushes it to targeting it for the creepers

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:22:21 No.101889643 Report

Quoted By: >>101889695

>>101889609
But that can't be, I'm very intelligent

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:24:47 No.101889665 Report

Quoted By: >>101889814

>>101889618
>check the youtube video
>comments are about Sailor Moon

Yep, I think I get the issue

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:25:07 No.101889669 Report

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>>101889608
then it boils down to what did the creators saw when they were growing up?

if they didn't saw other shows and then made a reference solely to reference it (" i heard these young 'uns are into something called 'bakugan', let's reference that), then it's not endearing anymore, it's just family guy (reference for reference's sake).

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:27:04 No.101889687 Report

Quoted By: >>101889769

>a kid's show does not one, but two separate Sailor Moon magical girl references

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:27:46 No.101889695 Report

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>>101889643
Even if so, intelligent individuals can also have brain farts occasionally.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:28:47 No.101889709 Report

Quoted By: >>101891012

>>101889435
>bugmen
whatever nazi

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:34:05 No.101889769 Report

Quoted By: >>101891118

>>101889687
Is that exchange student zero?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:38:14 No.101889814 Report

Quoted By: >>101889858

>>101889665
Here are both transformations. Which ones does it look like?

https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/dcf000032c3e268e6a586f0201e178ef.mp4

https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/dd1daf93ac85fb6d83bfa42f6c5f4580.webm

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:42:46 No.101889858 Report

Quoted By: >>101889891

>>101889814
Even so, only us guys here and in Japan would recognize Symphogear G onward

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:43:24 No.101889864 Report

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>>101889616
>that logic feels catered for the "i'm hardcore so i got that reference" crowd.
Then you are missing the point, a reference ought to be a personal thing, that those who know what you’re talking about will get but also won’t detriment the enjoyment of thise who don’t. Not “I SAW THING I ‘MEMBERED AND I CLAPPED! AM I COOL AND HIP NOW?”

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 11:46:33 No.101889891 Report

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>>101889858
And https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1003767889521008640

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 12:14:02 No.101890171 Report

Quoted By: >>101890351

>>101889412
SU has more references to Utena then Sailor Moon though I suppose Utena is more tangential to the magical girl genre then a direct example.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 12:27:00 No.101890328 Report

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>>101889412
How do you use this sword? It's all wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 12:29:37 No.101890351 Report

Quoted By:

>>101890171
Utena was a different thing desu

The main issue is when a Western creator references with the magical girl genre, it’s way to similar to Sailor Moon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 12:38:17 No.101890427 Report

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>>101889561
>people CAN make obscure/hardcore references but if the majority doesn't get it, what's the point?
Then explain why many old Warner Bros cartoon like Animaniacs are full with obscure references that appealed to middle age people?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 12:42:55 No.101890473 Report

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From what I read, in the Western industry, the only anime that people actually "know" are Sailor Moon, Utena and Evangelion (someone said Madoka Magica too but I don't believe that).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 12:48:02 No.101890530 Report

Quoted By: >>101890624

>>101889570
This is why I hate Ducktales. It tries so hard to appeal to millennials instead of kids and fans of the original.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 12:54:59 No.101890624 Report

Quoted By: >>101890652 >>101891028

>>101890530
But millennials are the current audience for Disney

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 12:56:57 No.101890652 Report

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>>101890624
Disney XD still has lots of shows that appeal to kids.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:21:31 No.101891012 Report

Quoted By:

>>101889709
Cry some more hippy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:22:49 No.101891028 Report

Quoted By:

>>101890624
This is what these "adults" tell themselves after spending their day discussing children shows online

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:27:53 No.101891102 Report

Quoted By: >>101897654

Referencing Madoka is a bad idea because it's the peak of its genre. You'll just be reminding audiences they can be watching something so much better than your show. But I feel that way about all references in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:28:11 No.101891105 Report

Quoted By: >>101891183 >>101891471 >>101896016

>>101889412
>cartoons references magical girl
>it's never Panty & Stocking
Fucking sad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:28:55 No.101891118 Report

Quoted By:

>>101889769
Mighty Magisword.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:30:06 No.101891140 Report

Quoted By:

>>101889480
Mew Mew Power and Magical Doremi were pretty popular

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:32:06 No.101891183 Report

Quoted By: >>101891250 >>101897678

>>101891105
>cartoons references magical girl
>it's never Cutie Honey, the inventor of magical girls genre
fixed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:35:13 No.101891231 Report

Quoted By: >>101891315

>>101889561
>people CAN make obscure/hardcore references but if the majority doesn't get it, what's the point?
I think the point is to make a little tribute to something you loved.
Even if many people don't get it, what's the problem?
If you do a reference properly, people who don't get it will simply not notice it, it won't ruin the experience for them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:36:31 No.101891250 Report

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>>101891183
Fixed my ass.
Both would deserve a reference once in a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:40:50 No.101891315 Report

Quoted By: >>101891384

>>101891231
I assume any time SU has interesting visuals that it's a reference to an anime I'm not getting and the crew coming up with interesting visuals on their own is impossible. That's the danger of referencing too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:45:06 No.101891384 Report

Quoted By: >>101891467

>>101891315
That's a problem because of them, not referncing.
Cuphead has dozens of huge references to cartoons and videogames (the entire Mr.Dice boss fight gimmick is a reference to an old boss), yet they are so coherent with the rest of the material that they're almost impossible to notice if you don't know it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:45:26 No.101891390 Report

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>>101889412
What other magical girl shit would the west be familiar with?
Even the limited other stuff that has actually been brought over never had NEAR the presence as Sailor Moon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:50:02 No.101891467 Report

Quoted By: >>101891510

>>101891384
Cuphead's existence is a reference in and of itself. It only works for Cuphead to reference all the time because it's a literal love letter to the Fleischer Bros. and other hose appendaged cartoons of yore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:50:06 No.101891468 Report

Quoted By:

>>101889412

Steven Universe references Utena though, not Sailor Moon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:50:18 No.101891471 Report

Quoted By:

>>101891105
>referencing an adult show in western cartoons
Why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:52:53 No.101891510 Report

Quoted By: >>101891595

>>101891467
It's also about how you do it.
For example the frogs, at the start of the fight, do two taunts from Street Fighter.
If you know those Street Fighter characters, you get it.
If you don't, like me the first time, you just think it's just a move they do, since it's very subtle.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:55:21 No.101891558 Report

Quoted By: >>101891657

>>101889412
When the vast majority of the west has seen any anime outside of Sailor Moon or Dragon Ball.
Cartoonfags suffer much the same problem as otaku, that being extremely limited palates due to not really exposing themselves to much media outside of cartoons.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:56:42 No.101891586 Report

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>>101889412
That's not entirely turn
Evangelion references are becoming pretty common for some bizarre reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 13:57:12 No.101891595 Report

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>>101891510
You're missing my point. If the initial premise of game or show is to be that love letter that references everything all the time, it works in context because that's the very nature of it. However if you're trying to push your original story and ideas like in SU but find the need to reference insanely popular (and better) media, it's going to fuck with the audience immersion in your world's universe. Especially when you make the most interesting scenes references. It's a testament to how bad of a writer you are and how you need to rely on standing on someone else's shoulders to keep people interested.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 14:00:45 No.101891657 Report

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>>101891558
But you think that with the internet, creators have a much larger range of taste and would be more cheeky in putting their favourite as Easter Eggs regardless of how obscure they are

What’s the fun in doing a 1257th sailor Senshi Make-up sequence?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 14:03:52 No.101891709 Report

Quoted By: >>101891827

>>101889412
Sailor moon and DBZ are the new go to entry tier pleb anime references for western cartoons like Astro boy and Speed racer were for older generations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 14:05:38 No.101891740 Report

Quoted By:

>Little Witch Acedamia uses Connie and even Sugar herself as background characters
>Sugar can't be assed to make a quick reference in turn
Rood :^(

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 14:11:17 No.101891827 Report

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>>101891709
They were the go to for a long time though. But at this age, I keep on wonder why we can’t try for newer stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 14:13:07 No.101891865 Report

Quoted By: >>101894422

>>101889412
what other show could American reference? Europe had a shitload of cheap toei/sunrise magical girls in the 80's 90's but the US literally only had Sialor moon, then tokyo mewmew and Sakura (doremi being a flop)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 14:22:11 No.101891994 Report

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>anime reference
>its magical girl shit
I want to see something different honestly

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 15:40:28 No.101893189 Report

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>>101889412
>Its an anime reference
>Always the American version
>Always
>ALWAYS!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 15:44:32 No.101893239 Report

Quoted By: >>101893276 >>101893426 >>101893593

>madoka revolutionized magical girl genre
>no references or tributes in modern animation

sailor is shit how can not anyone see the real change?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 15:47:19 No.101893276 Report

Quoted By:

>>101893239
Because it’s the easiest way out to pretend to be a weeb while avoiding backlash from liking stuff like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 15:56:46 No.101893426 Report

Quoted By: >>101896320

>>101893239
More like Madoka deconstructed and ultimately destroyed the genre. It's shit.

Jumpman !!wPhlyh8seG+

Jumpman !!wPhlyh8seG+ Mon 23 Jul 2018 15:59:59 No.101893479 Report

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>>101889412
>>it’s always Sailor Moon

Because everybody grew up watching Sailor Moon on Toonami. It's why Speed Racer parodies were so popular years ago. You're gonna have to wait a few more years for animators that grew up watching Madoka off Crunchyroll to start making cartoons of their own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 16:06:51 No.101893593 Report

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>>101893239
Madoka didn't come out during animators' childhoods. Also it didn't revolutionize anything. Other magical girl shows had dark twists before it did, and its influence on later shows is pretty negligible as magical girl shows have fallen out of vogue. It was just a good show, nothing more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 16:18:25 No.101893762 Report

Quoted By: >>101894088

I'm really tired of this
Is it difficult to NOT make an anime reference now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 16:23:21 No.101893839 Report

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>>101889412
SU steals from a ton of shit and I feel like SU wants to be more Revultionary Girl Utena than Sailor Moon>>101889435

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 16:31:06 No.101893952 Report

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>cartoons reference anime 9999 times
>none of the references is a JoJo reference

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 16:39:38 No.101894088 Report

Quoted By:

>>101893762
Yes because certain anime fans think everything is an anime reference

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 17:00:00 No.101894422 Report

Quoted By: >>101894736

>>101891865
this is what happens when the US markets is tied to a monopoly of Carl macek, Saban and 4kids with their filter localization policies.

Mexico here got good stuff.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 17:17:23 No.101894736 Report

Quoted By: >>101895949 >>101897711

>>101894422
Saban should have gotten Precure back then as it also owned Power Rangers

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 17:18:33 No.101894761 Report

Quoted By:

>>101889412
>cartoon network show made in the past five years
>references anything
>it's always dbz/sailor moon/pokemon or something from a nintendo game

jesus christ guys, read a book

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 18:04:19 No.101895664 Report

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>>101889561
Gumball referenced a 70s sentai show but it went over most people's heads as just a generic power ranger parody

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 18:19:01 No.101895949 Report

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>>101894736
so /co/.. were you an inside with the pc kid or in the next room peering through the doorway kid

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 18:22:50 No.101896016 Report

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>>101891105
Aquamarine's ribbon turned into a weapon if that counts

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 18:37:04 No.101896320 Report

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>>101893426
Kinda, it's annoying how we get a madoka wannabe every fucking season but Precure it's still going strong and people say that the sakura sequel was good I didn't see it because I will never trust CLAMP again after Tsubasa

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 19:38:14 No.101897521 Report

Quoted By:

>>101889618
Wot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 19:39:27 No.101897557 Report

Quoted By:

>>101889412
>cartoon references magical girl
>its actually a stealth Toku henshin
>its Space Sheriff Gavin

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 19:41:01 No.101897599 Report

Quoted By:

>>101889561
that picture is completely wrong those are all Gundams and bottom right is obviously a Bionicle

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 19:43:53 No.101897654 Report

Quoted By:

>>101891102
Id rather watch Kamen Rider desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 19:44:55 No.101897678 Report

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>>101891183
wow are you fucking wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szECpTGoXFk

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 19:46:26 No.101897711 Report

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>>101894736
they do now at least
and its on netflix

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