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Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 17:46:57 2018 No.101186231 View Reply Original Report

I never saw how Peter was in the wrong here. This man was ripping people off. Why should he stop him from being robbed? Because he has superpowers? That's fucking stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 17:51:17 No.101186293 Report

Quoted By: >>101186316 >>101186324 >>101187183

He was in the wrong because he let a criminal go when he could have stopped him with little risk to himself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 17:52:47 No.101186316 Report

Quoted By: >>101186493 >>101187042 >>101187990 >>101188654 >>101188728 >>101194742 >>101196591 >>101196891

>>101186293
But the criminal was taking from another criminal. why should Peter stop him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 17:53:27 No.101186324 Report

Quoted By: >>101186391 >>101187065 >>101198911

>>101186293
fpbp. It would've taken him zero effort to stop the criminal. The wrestling promoter would've been indebted to him, and he would've gotten a career criminal off the streets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 17:53:37 No.101186326 Report

Quoted By: >>101186351

By not choosing to be the better man, Peter let a criminal go free which had a very real consequence to Peter, the death of his Uncle Ben.

That's the moral of this. It's one of the basic most understandable morals in fucking comics.

You let people do bad things because bad thing happen to you, more bad things will likely happen to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 17:55:31 No.101186351 Report

Quoted By: >>101186422 >>101186425 >>101186750 >>101186934 >>101187222 >>101189415 >>101190540 >>101190853

>>101186326
But that's just a heavy-handed message to drive a point. Morally I don't see what Peter is doing wrong. Some guy is exploiting people by not paying them what they're promised. He deserved everything he got.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 17:55:44 No.101186356 Report

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>>101186231
As we all know, with great power comes great unaccountability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 17:56:14 No.101186362 Report

Quoted By: >>101186381

>>101186231
The guilt peter feels comes from within, he realizes he let his pride get in the way and should have stopped the guy because it was the right thing to do

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 17:57:32 No.101186381 Report

Quoted By: >>101186441 >>101186678 >>101186764 >>101187073

>>101186362
How is stopping the guy the right thing to do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 17:58:11 No.101186391 Report

Quoted By: >>101186419 >>101186493

>>101186324
Which would have allowed the promoter to keep ripping people off without consequence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 17:58:22 No.101186392 Report

Quoted By: >>101187037

>>101186231
because now the other people in the promotion who DIDN'T do anything to Parker won't get paid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 17:59:29 No.101186406 Report

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>>101186231
He had no obligation to apprehend a criminal he is a private citizen it's not his duty. Just because someone has fighting skill doesn't make them some community public service police man for every crook.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:00:17 No.101186418 Report

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Because if he had turned the other cheek, and done the right thing, not the vengeful thing, his uncle would still be alive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:00:24 No.101186419 Report

Quoted By: >>101186457

>>101186391
You actually think getting robbed is going to make the promoter stop ripping people off?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:00:33 No.101186422 Report

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>>101186351
Yes, but that's the moral of the comic and how the comic presents Peter as wrong.

It's an advocating that doing the right thing is always the better option. Not stopping the Criminal got Uncle Ben killed. Not stopping the Green Goblin would have gotten a lot more people killed. Not stopping Doc Oct would have gotten the entire planet killed.

It's an argument that the right decision is always the decision that serves the greater good or is the lesser of two evils. Where apathy is just as bad as doing wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:00:46 No.101186425 Report

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>>101186351
It's not about the promoter.

The robber was clearly not a one-timer. Incapacitating him and calling the cops potentially prevents him from robbing MORE people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:01:55 No.101186441 Report

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>>101186381

Because with great power, there must come great responsibility

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:02:25 No.101186453 Report

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>>101186231
He was wrong because you don’t just let a criminal go because he picked on a douche bag, because the next victim could easily be your uncle. Besides, a hero doesn’t pick and choose who they save, they save everyone they can, regardless of their disposition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:02:43 No.101186457 Report

Quoted By: >>101186512 >>101186517 >>101186569 >>101188067 >>101188072 >>101189048 >>101198849

>>101186419
Yes, he'd understand what it feels like to get ripped off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:03:05 No.101186464 Report

Quoted By: >>101189124

Steve "Ayn Rand is my idol" Ditko understood that stopping wrongdoing when you have the ability to do is the correct course of action, what's wrong with you guys?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:04:46 No.101186493 Report

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>>101186316
>>101186391
Simple. Just tell people that this store rips people off. Spread the word and that guy will either reform or close down tout de suite

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:05:58 No.101186506 Report

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>>101186231
because its a fictional character created by a jew who belives he is entitled to other peoples help even after fucking them over

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:06:26 No.101186512 Report

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>>101186457
no. if anything, that would have given him the excuse to rip off more. Eye for an eye and all of that.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:06:44 No.101186517 Report

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>>101186457
Now don't come right up to me and post stupid shit like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:10:20 No.101186569 Report

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>>101186457
Or he'd become bitter about it and want to do the same to other people out of pettiness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:17:47 No.101186678 Report

Quoted By: >>101186784

>>101186381
Stealing is still a crime even if you're robbing another thief. Stopping an objectively immoral act if you have the power/means to do so is the objectively moral thing to do. Peter chose not to step in just to spite some prick, and because he chose spite over nobility his uncle died. Even if nothing had wound up happening to Ben, at best Peter is an accessory to a robbery, legally speaking. Morally speaking hes just as much of a prick as the promoter he was hoping to stick it to

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:22:56 No.101186750 Report

Quoted By: >>101186951 >>101189116

>>101186351
You're mixing ethics and morals.

Morally it's wrong, ethically it's excusable but not "right" and practically, as in "in practice", it got his uncle killed.

Punisher and red hood are probably more your speed. I suppose you think batman is to blame for jokers victims too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:23:58 No.101186764 Report

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>>101186381
How is it wrong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:25:35 No.101186784 Report

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>>101186678
Hrs not an accessory legally unless they knew he was spider-man. Guy had a gun you're in no way expected to stop someone with a gun. Martial arts skill or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:29:26 No.101186851 Report

Quoted By: >>101186936 >>101186965

>>101186231

Morality is simple son.

Lying is a bad thing.

Stealing is a bad thing.

And so on and so forth.

So YES -
someone doing bad things is not good but IF you are able to prevent it, and you are right there, not doing anything is also not good.

I bet you're the kind of person who would walk right by someone who got just run over by a hit and run drunk driver.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:35:42 No.101186934 Report

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>>101186351
he acted selfishly, and only considered the short-term effects of his actions
he wanted to spite someone who wronged him, but didn't think about the long-term effects of letting a dangerous criminal run around with a bunch of money

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:35:50 No.101186936 Report

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>>101186851
>Lying is a bad thing.
Would you not lie to a person who's looking for one of your friends to beat him up?
>Stealing is a bad thing
What if you steal from a person who doesn't need the stolen thing at all in order to help someone?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:36:48 No.101186951 Report

Quoted By: >>101186970 >>101187053 >>101187059 >>101189024

>>101186750
Yes. Batman allowing the Joker to continue to breathe is wrong. He saw that Gotham was a broken system so he became Batman to fix it. But he just became a part of the broken system which allows criminals back out on to the streets to kill and rape again.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:37:56 No.101186965 Report

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>>101186851
>stealing is a bad thing

so is vilgilantism which is what the scene is encouraging.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:38:22 No.101186970 Report

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>>101186951
Posts like this should be bannable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:43:02 No.101187027 Report

Quoted By: >>101187207

>>101186231
His guilt feelings make a lot more sense in the comics. In there he was just being a jerk with his newfound powers just because he was tired of taking shit off of everyone. He didn't even get ripped off in there, he just didn't feel like he owed anyone anything because he felt everyone was always a dick to him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:44:17 No.101187037 Report

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>>101186392

They wouldn't have gotten paid anyway because the promoter was ripping them off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:45:00 No.101187042 Report

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>>101186316
Just because money is stolen doesn't mean other people are allowed to steal that money from thief. It's not how it works.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:45:01 No.101187043 Report

Quoted By: >>101188098

>>101186231
The idea is that if you have the power to make a positive change in the world then it's your responsibility to do so instead of being selfish.

Also it's not so much that Peter was 'in the wrong' that his action of just ignoring the problem because it didn't concern him even though he could have easily stopped it ended up biting him in the ass because it directly led to his uncle's death. That;s what the whole with great responsibility thing comes from.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:45:58 No.101187053 Report

Quoted By: >>101196354

>>101186951

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Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:46:25 No.101187059 Report

Quoted By: >>101187082 >>101188598

>>101186951
No, that’s Gotham’s legal system failing, all they would have to do is bring back the death penalty and boom, problem solved. Hell a regular footpad or an orderly at Arkham could kill him, it’s not Batman’s fault that no one has killed Joker yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:47:25 No.101187065 Report

Quoted By: >>101187068

>>101186324
>gets shot instead
Good job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:47:52 No.101187068 Report

Quoted By: >>101187202

>>101187065
>Spider-man
>getting shit by a random mugger
Good one

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:48:32 No.101187073 Report

Quoted By: >>101190182

>>101186381
Here's an example of moral dilemma: in Defenders episode 2 Daredevil hears robbery and shots of shotguns, those shots are coming from people from whom punks stole something. Does he stop robbery, or does he prevent murder?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:49:14 No.101187082 Report

Quoted By: >>101187112 >>101187320

>>101187059

Batman actively stops people from killing the Joker. So... Yeah. It is pretty much 100% his fault.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:51:22 No.101187112 Report

Quoted By: >>101187127

>>101187082
And when Joker is sitting in the GCPD lockup around men and women whose families he’s killed and happened to be armed, or when he’s sitting in Arkham and a number of orderlies could hold him down and beat him to death while Batman isn’t around, that’s all Batman’s fault huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:52:40 No.101187127 Report

Quoted By: >>101187151 >>101187181 >>101188146

>>101187112
They're probably terrified that Batman would hunt them down

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:54:06 No.101187145 Report

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>>101186231
Actually the Guy was kinda in the right. The rule was "3 mins". They never said anything about win or lose get more money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:54:17 No.101187150 Report

Quoted By: >>101187170 >>101187207

>>101186231
I never liked how adaptations try to justify Peter not stopping the criminal as opposed to simply going with the original version that has him high on hubris over his newfound success as a wrestler.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:54:21 No.101187151 Report

Quoted By: >>101187198

>>101187127
Wouldn't it be somewhat hypocritical if Bats to go after someone who enacted vigilante justice when hes the top vigilante in town?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:55:34 No.101187170 Report

Quoted By: >>101198468

>>101187150
I didn't mind it in Raimi's adaptation too much, but in Amazing Spider-man it was laughably bad. Him and uncle Ben's killer practically high fived each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:56:26 No.101187181 Report

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>>101187127

This right here. You see justice done by killing the Joker, next thing you know you've got a loon in black pajamas breaking into your house at night to kick your teeth in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:56:29 No.101187183 Report

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>>101186293
To be fair, that guy had a gun and for all of Peter's powers he had no experience dealing with that kind of shit. If he wasn't enraged he would have probably been injured.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:57:30 No.101187198 Report

Quoted By: >>101187229

>>101187151
When has being a hypocrite ever bothered Batman?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:57:42 No.101187202 Report

Quoted By: >>101187245 >>101189486 >>101196396

>>101187068
He was still the Human Holocaust at that point. He had no experience with crime fighting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:58:01 No.101187207 Report

Quoted By: >>101187449

>>101187150
It's actually more like what >>101187027 said. Peter's spent his whole life being the little guy getting his shit kicked in that when he finally got the power to escape that, his ego inflated. He felt that not only did he not need to help, he actively SHOULDNT help because why should he help a world that never helped him?

It took Ben dying to shake him out of that, since it was his own selfish spite for the world at large that got his loved one killed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:58:56 No.101187222 Report

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>>101186351
>have it explained as clearly ass possible
>NUH-UH I DUN GET IT

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Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 18:59:06 No.101187229 Report

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>>101187198
Fair enough

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:00:17 No.101187245 Report

Quoted By: >>101187627 >>101196396

>>101187202
>The Human Holocaust? Christ kid, at least name yourself after something that actually exists!
Still can believe Rami slipped that through

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:06:25 No.101187320 Report

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>>101187082
>Batman actively stops people from killing the Joker. So... Yeah. It is pretty much 100% his fault.
This isn't unlike Peter stopping a guy from robbing a guy who just ripped him off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:09:40 No.101187374 Report

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>>101186231
>because he has superpowers
>his guiding words from his uncle is to use one’s gifts to better the world

Sort of the point of his motivation, no?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:14:56 No.101187449 Report

Quoted By: >>101187927

>>101187207
I like that perspective. Show the world you can make it a better place but willingly stand by and let it be a shitpile because you were once in the thick of that shit. If the world won’t get off its ass to better itself, why should he have to shoulder that burden just because he woke up with web powers and the ability to cling to walls?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:25:16 No.101187627 Report

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>>101187245
It was a different time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:31:01 No.101187729 Report

Quoted By: >>101187828

If that promoter tried to rip off an actual wrestler (the Steiner brothers, any Samoan, southern wrasslers, etc.) they would have locked him in a dumpster with no pants or underpants and took the entire nights earnings. Wrestling is fake but the wrestlers arent, they regularly flip over bars and brawl for a laugh.

The promoter saw Peter as a weenie, not a wrestler, and decided to pull one over on him. What Peter should have actually done is go talk to Bonesaw and give the promoter swirlies in the dirtiest, closest latrine until he paid up. No wrestler would let a promoter fuck over a performer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:37:25 No.101187828 Report

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>>101187729
>peter is small but tough
>quick wit, wise cracks, smart
>east coast wrestling circuit loves him
>becomes a kayfabe wrestler/super

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:44:06 No.101187927 Report

Quoted By: >>101187967

>>101187449
>If the world won’t get off its ass to better itself, why should he have to shoulder that burden just because he woke up with web powers and the ability to cling to walls?
I like how you answer this in the first half of your post

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:46:26 No.101187967 Report

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>>101187927
No, I’m not saying that the OP is right. The reasoning proves itself out (even in a city of 8 million, there’s still a smidge of a chance the next guy who he fucks over could be someone you care about and then you’d wish you’d done something). But in that moment that was the most comprehensive way to assess his worldview.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:47:20 No.101187979 Report

Quoted By: >>101188045 >>101188079

Peter had the power to stop a bad man. Instead he was petty and let a criminal with a gun get away.

>The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing.

Or you know

>With Great Power comes Great Responsiblity

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:47:38 No.101187983 Report

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It wasn't about the promoter. If he had stopped the guy, he would've taken the criminal off the street and the criminal wouldn't have been able to do anything to anybody else. And because Peter didn't stop him, he did hurt someone else.

It's called dramatic irony.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:48:06 No.101187988 Report

Quoted By: >>101188013

Peter could have easily just stopped the thief and considering how the promoter was an asshole, he could have just taken a big cut from the stolen money as payment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:48:08 No.101187990 Report

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>>101186316
He should stop both, its not that hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:48:59 No.101188005 Report

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I remember when I saw this in theaters, everyone cheered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:49:25 No.101188013 Report

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>>101187988
Yeah but that first snub would always stay with you. The knowledge that this guy is still a greedy fag who will blow off the next aspiring guy behind you and the only reason you’re getting anything is because it benefitted him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:51:18 No.101188045 Report

Quoted By: >>101188109 >>101188273 >>101188886 >>101190850 >>101198237

>>101187979
>that criminal was evil

how is stealing from another thief evil? He was doing everyone a favor by stealing from that scumbag promoter. Now he knows not to be a piece of shit. Peter helps him out and he'll just think he'll never have consequences to his actions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:52:50 No.101188067 Report

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>>101186457
Kek. He's a fucking wrestling promoter, ya simp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:52:58 No.101188072 Report

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>>101186457
LMAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:53:41 No.101188079 Report

Quoted By: >>101188341

>>101187979
I think the most pertinent thing to say here would be “an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind”.

Dicking someone over as retribution feels good but don’t go bitching about it when karma comes by to collect the check.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:54:37 No.101188098 Report

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>>101187043
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:55:15 No.101188109 Report

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>>101188045
Stop.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:55:18 No.101188110 Report

Quoted By: >>101188210 >>101189206

Who was in the wrong here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:56:07 No.101188131 Report

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Yeah man, doesn't matter that some guy fucking died, as long as the asshole with more money than my gets his comeuppance

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:56:42 No.101188146 Report

Quoted By: >>101188180

>>101187127
And what is he going to do?
Not kill them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:58:33 No.101188180 Report

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>>101188146
Kick their teeth/ribs in and send them to prison for a long time for doing the right thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 19:59:58 No.101188210 Report

Quoted By: >>101189206

>>101188110
This is by far one of the worst ways Spidey's origin has been told.

God I remember I hated the first movie so much but was mildly excited for the second once they showed the costume. Little did we know how little spidey was going to be in it, and how much of a scooby doo mystery and romance they would focus on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:03:47 No.101188273 Report

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>>101188045
THE ACT ITSELF IS EVIL, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO THE VICTIM IS
KILLING AN ASSHOLE WILL STILL PUT YOU BEHIND BARS UNLESS IT IS IN A SELF DEFENSE SCENARIO
HOW HARD IT IS TO UNDERSTAND THAT?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:07:05 No.101188341 Report

Quoted By: >>101188356 >>101188428

>>101186231
Yeah, in the movie it actually made sense, which messes his origin up.
Also he sorta ends up killing the burglar, which pretty much goes against the comics character.

>>101188079
...But that was karma biting the promoter in the ass already. In the movie, at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:07:58 No.101188356 Report

Quoted By: >>101188416

>>101188341
Right, it’s a cycle. But no one’s better off for it. They just ended up with two dead bodies by the end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:10:33 No.101188416 Report

Quoted By:

>>101188356
Because Parker Luck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:11:18 No.101188428 Report

Quoted By: >>101188458 >>101188614 >>101188638 >>101189130

>>101188341
Worse than that, Peter kills the wrong guy. Doesn't it turn out Sandman killed Uncle Ben in those movies? Thus literally undoing the whole reason he becomes a hero.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:13:08 No.101188458 Report

Quoted By: >>101188638

>>101188428
Spider-Man 3 was so god-awful I can’t recall the nuances. Maybe someday I’ll swallow my better judgement and watch it again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:15:00 No.101188497 Report

Quoted By:

good things come to those whom wait

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:17:07 No.101188546 Report

Quoted By:

I probably would have done the same thing Peter did, but still I wish we'd live in a world where everyone would always do morally right thing to do.
I'm such a pathetic loser, I deserve the fattest cocks in my stupid fucking pathetic loser mouth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:19:53 No.101188598 Report

Quoted By: >>101188615 >>101188635

>>101187059
In most continuities, Joker's considered criminally insane, so getting a death penalty against him would be impossible in some states I think.
Not American and obviously not a lawyer here though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:20:47 No.101188614 Report

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>>101188428
He and Sandman were working together, and it was an accident that wouldn't have happened if Peter had stopped the guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:20:50 No.101188615 Report

Quoted By: >>101188646 >>101188672

>>101188598
Surprised no one else killed The Joker if Batman wouldn’t. Is he really so elusive, especially given how much he enjoys being grandiose and flamboyant?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:21:36 No.101188635 Report

Quoted By: >>101188695

>>101188598
His crimes are federal state law doesn't matter. And insanity plea relies on mental faculties which he's full of. Writers using that after the like the 80s are absolutely retarded. It's more absurd than batman fighting Superman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:21:49 No.101188638 Report

Quoted By: >>101188674 >>101188692

>>101188428
>>101188458
And he also lets Sandman go at the end, like he did with the robber, but this time it's because he forgave him. wtf

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:22:18 No.101188644 Report

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>>101186231
>Run an illegal operation without muscle to guard your cash
>get fucked

It's honestly surprising he doesn't get robbed more often. The owner is stupid and Peter shouldn't have done shit to save him from his dumb decisions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:22:29 No.101188646 Report

Quoted By: >>101188693

>>101188615
He's flamboyant when he's on site but that doesn't mean he can't hide in between

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:22:46 No.101188654 Report

Quoted By: >>101188756

>>101186316
The condition was $3000 for three minutes, and Spider-man beat him up in two. How was he a criminal for following the contract?

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Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:23:38 No.101188672 Report

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>>101188615
Joker has the protection of the The Presence himself. He's part of God's Plan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:23:39 No.101188674 Report

Quoted By: >>101188756

>>101188638
Well (again, can’t remember because shit movie), that would make sense since he would have undergone character development by that point. Grudges and retribution caused him a lot of grief before, knowing when to let go is important.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:24:49 No.101188692 Report

Quoted By:

>>101188638
Sandman wasn't going to be a bad guy anymore, so it was fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:24:50 No.101188693 Report

Quoted By: >>101188747 >>101188767

>>101188646
Dude is always hiding in Joker themed abandoned warehouses. Not the mostly stealthy of guys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:24:53 No.101188695 Report

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>>101188635
Ok, thanks for the explanation, anon. I guess it'd be a more reasonable explanation if Joker was measurably insane then. Cheers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:26:28 No.101188728 Report

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>>101186316
Because the criminal didn't stop at stealing money.
He shot and killed a man afterward.
That is some indirect guilt, especially since how easily he could have prevented it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:27:20 No.101188747 Report

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>>101188693
Fair point

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:27:50 No.101188756 Report

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>>101188674
Shouldn't he have "learned" that letting a criminal go doesn't end well? Specially since he's been catching criminals for years.
I'm not sure if there was supposed to be a lesson, come to think of it. Probably something about letting Hitler go.

>>101188654
You're thinking like a lawyer or politician. This here is a justice board.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:28:24 No.101188767 Report

Quoted By: >>101188800 >>101198880

>>101188693
Expect booby traps then.
>Team of angry ex-army civilians tries to avenge their loved ones and/or do the Joker in for free
>Dies from a whoopie cushion mine
>Dies from a tripwire mallet
>Dies from a doorknob trap
>All while Joker's safe and snug watching Home Alone 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:28:28 No.101188770 Report

Quoted By: >>101188852

Why did you make the same thread in /tv/ >>>/tv/100016885 ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:29:32 No.101188800 Report

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>>101188767
>All while Joker's safe and snug watching Home Alone 1.
Ok this really made me lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:32:05 No.101188852 Report

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>>101188770
I'm pretty sure someone is trying to have a raimiposting thread and /co/ was mature enough to think nothing of OP but a Spidey dilemma.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:33:49 No.101188886 Report

Quoted By: >>101188957 >>101189034 >>101192169

>>101188045
Theoretical situation here: I go in to a house and shoot and kill a man. This man is also a murderer, he's killed several people in his life, and if he's able, will kill again. I do this act not out of a sense of personal or moral justice; I do it solely because I'm bored. Am I a good person?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:35:35 No.101188930 Report

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>Man commits crime of defrauding people
>Burglar robs him, denying him of his ill gotten gains, possible to see burglar as another person that event promoter stole wages from by not paying him at that point.
>Peter decides to not partake vigilantism, another crime.

Peter did nothing wrong.

Peter was right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:36:57 No.101188957 Report

Quoted By: >>101189008 >>101189011

>>101188886
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:40:08 No.101189008 Report

Quoted By: >>101189050

>>101188957
I think you missed why anon was asking that. He was proving to anon Pete was in the wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:40:16 No.101189011 Report

Quoted By: >>101189038 >>101189050 >>101189065

>>101188957
Why not? Have I not done everyone a favor by stopping a killer from committing a murder ever again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:41:05 No.101189024 Report

Quoted By: >>101189615

>>101186951
You know if Batman had a brain he could simply eliminate the joker and the other supervillains which would set enough of an example to the other petty criminals like gangsters and murderers to be stop comitting crimes they would be sufficiently too scared to do anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:41:16 No.101189030 Report

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>>101186231
watch how OP first learns about the story of Spiderman in REAL TIME

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:41:32 No.101189034 Report

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>>101188886
No. You're just a psychopath who got lucky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:41:43 No.101189038 Report

Quoted By: >>101189092

>>101189011
Are you under the impression this is a clever point? You red hood fags are such cancer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:42:18 No.101189048 Report

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>>101186457
wow....what a naive dumb little bubble you live in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:42:25 No.101189050 Report

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>>101189008
>>101189011
I also think I missed it. Nvm, carry on

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:43:06 No.101189065 Report

Quoted By: >>101189092 >>101191844

>>101189011
>dexter was a good guy
I hate you devils advocate fags. Do the world a favor and off yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:43:20 No.101189072 Report

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If i was that guy i would've chased the robber and robbed him

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:44:21 No.101189092 Report

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>>101189065
>>101189038
>Whoosh

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:45:47 No.101189116 Report

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>>101186750
>I suppose you think batman is to blame for jokers victims too?
He literally is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:46:09 No.101189123 Report

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>>101186231
That's true for random citizens but not for SUPER HEROES

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:46:17 No.101189124 Report

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>>101186464
>what's wrong with you guys?
They're 14.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:46:46 No.101189130 Report

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>>101188428
iirc Spidey didnt kill him, he kicked the guys gun out of his hand which made him step back, trip on a pipe and then fell to his death.

And on a related note, the whole Sandman twist didnt negate Spidey's impetus to become a hero. He still let the one schmuck go, who went on to rush to Sandman, startling him and accidentally killing Ben. A few steps were added but Spidey himself is still indirectly responsible for Ben's death.
Still an awful, awful movie though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:51:24 No.101189206 Report

Quoted By: >>101189295 >>101189327

>>101188110
>>101188210
I forget, how did they fuck up the origin here? Only thing I really remember being off is the guy got like ten feet before offing Ben because he just happened to be on the same street at the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:56:46 No.101189295 Report

Quoted By: >>101189318 >>101190384

>>101189206
Peter gets whiny and runs away from home to get a drink of chocolate milk. Cashier is a jerk wont let peter take a penny from the take a penny. The criminal distracts the cahsier and steals money from the register. Peter notices this and does nothing. Uncle Ben is looking for pissy peter who ran away and runs into robber.

Oh and Uncle Ben tackles the robber because he trips and his gun falls out of his pocket. The robber wasn't threatening anybody so it was kind of random. I am not even mentioning the terrible acting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:58:20 No.101189318 Report

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>>101189295
Not that anon, but it's worse. The robber trips near Ben and drops his gun. Ben old man wrestles the robber who grabs the gun back and shoots Ben. It's sadly hilarious

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 20:59:07 No.101189327 Report

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>>101189206
Here just watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsOGSMvQSxE

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 21:03:05 No.101189389 Report

Quoted By: >>101189414 >>101189458 >>101198887

>>101186231
Because if he had tried to stop the guy, he would have been shot and there would have been no Spiderman movie, no superhero movie renaissance, no Dark Knight trilogy, and no MCU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 21:04:58 No.101189414 Report

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>>101189389
So you are saying Peter was in the wrong and caused a ripple effect that is destroying comics and movies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 21:05:00 No.101189415 Report

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>>101186351
>But that's just a heavy-handed message to drive a point
And it's hilarious that it can't get through your head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 21:08:19 No.101189458 Report

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>>101189389
Pretty sure spider sense would kick in and he'd just dodge the bullet

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 21:10:07 No.101189486 Report

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>>101187202
Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 21:18:04 No.101189615 Report

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>>101189024
why not cripple the joker? its not killing him so his code stays intact, joker can do little to no harm and might even make it so they can keep him in arkham

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 21:27:20 No.101189777 Report

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>>101186231
what right does peter have to ask for help if he doesn't help others. the human condition is so shitty solely because every one is fuck you i'm not helping you or anyone, till it is them who has to ask for help.

the entire point of this shit was this revelation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 21:50:12 No.101190182 Report

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>>101187073
>those shots are coming from people from whom punks stole something.

Learn to English retard, Jesus Christ

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 22:02:30 No.101190384 Report

Quoted By: >>101193193

>>101189295
>The criminal distracts the cahsier and steals money from the register. Peter notices this and does nothing.
Don't forget the robber tosses Peter the chocolate milk to buy off his silence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3stO2hOPFaA

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 22:11:57 No.101190540 Report

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>>101186351
The fact that Summer hasn't even officially started breaks my heart

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 22:31:55 No.101190850 Report

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>>101188045
Imagine being this lacking in morals reminds me of /pol/ logic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 22:32:04 No.101190853 Report

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>>101186351
"Morally I don't see" far to many morally blind people in this world,

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 22:35:00 No.101190909 Report

Quoted By: >>101191481

Because he made fun of gay people.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:04:43 No.101191481 Report

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>>101190909
>That's a cute outfit faggot, did your husband give it to you?
what the hell Raimi?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:06:17 No.101191504 Report

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The only way evil wins is if good men willingly do nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:13:24 No.101191631 Report

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>>101186231
because crime is not confined to that situation alone
he wasnt wrong in allowing the jackass to get mugged.
he was wrong for not stopping the criminal because, as you learn afterwards, that crime is not self contained and others suffer from it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:22:52 No.101191787 Report

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>>101186231
The movie turning the promoter into a bad guy sort of confused the message from the original comic. In the origin story, Pete didn't stop the guy because he had a gun and Pete wasn't obligated to risk his own well being to stop criminals because he wasn't a cop, even though he could have folded the guy like a piece of paper seven times seven times over with his powers at that proximity. In the Civil War movie, they explain Spider-Man's motto in terms of consequences rather than personal responsibility and it helps it make sense without the context of Uncle Ben's death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:26:30 No.101191844 Report

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>>101189065
what about doubles advocates?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:27:50 No.101191867 Report

Quoted By: >>101191944 >>101192294 >>101198237

So going by /co/ logic, Robin Hood is also evil? since he stole money

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:32:50 No.101191944 Report

Quoted By: >>101191973 >>101191992

>>101191867
Don't be a retard, you can't judge every act without some context. It's always a 'this is wrong UNLESS' kind of situation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:34:34 No.101191973 Report

Quoted By: >>101191994

>>101191944
but robin hood was a criminal taking from another criminal though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:35:35 No.101191992 Report

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>>101191944
>context
Context is subjective

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:35:41 No.101191994 Report

Quoted By: >>101192039

>>101191973
Did robin kill anyone? Did the mugger in spider man distribute the money he stole among the fighters the dude was ripping off?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:37:49 No.101192039 Report

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>>101191994
yes robin in fact did kill and mutilated his enemies and even killed a child at one point

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:39:52 No.101192077 Report

Quoted By: >>101192088 >>101192655

Is dredd evil?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:40:19 No.101192088 Report

Quoted By:

>>101192077
Sometimes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:43:52 No.101192169 Report

Quoted By:

>>101188886
You're not good, but you did good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jun 2018 23:50:17 No.101192294 Report

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>>101191867
Going by the logic of one property you're judging an entirely different property.
In the end it was about Pete's mindset, he didn't stop him because he was bitter and self-centered. The robber was just a greedy amoral dick. In the end it ended up backfiring on Pete because letting his lesser instincts get the better of him just let evil happen.
Meanwhile in the totally unrelated Robin Hood stories, he's more a rebel than a thief. His thievery is viewed by the narrative as morally upright as it's not only to punish the wicked but to return to those which it was unjustly taken from in the first place. Really he's only an outlaw because he lives in a society where the corrupt leaders deem him such.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 00:10:29 No.101192655 Report

Quoted By: >>101192703

>>101192077
Dredd is Lawful Neutral.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 00:13:32 No.101192703 Report

Quoted By: >>101196160

>>101192655
Wrong. He's Lawful Lawful

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 00:43:22 No.101193193 Report

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>>101190384
That actually makes ASM Peter aiding and abetting a criminal. It makes his responsibility for Ben's death even more direct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 02:13:31 No.101194626 Report

Quoted By: >>101194687

Is the Punisher evil?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 02:17:29 No.101194687 Report

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>>101194626
Misguided and a bit insane. He is canonically a wanted criminal though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 02:20:24 No.101194742 Report

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>>101186316
Because a guy robbing a criminal means he can just as easily rob a civilian.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 02:20:37 No.101194745 Report

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Wait, shit.

I've seen this film a hundred times, but I always thought the line was "I missed the part, but that's my problem". I thought it was maybe some New York expression or something.

Fuck, my life is a lie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 03:44:24 No.101196160 Report

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>>101192703
Pretty sure that's what Lawful Neutral is, though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 03:56:23 No.101196354 Report

Quoted By: >>101196867

>>101187053
Jim no! We have to take him in, by the book!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 03:59:06 No.101196396 Report

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>>101187202
>>101187245

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 04:12:29 No.101196591 Report

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>>101186316
because doing good has nothing to do with how it benefits you, but instead how it would benefit others. You don't make the world a better place to live if you only care about yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 04:28:03 No.101196836 Report

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>>101186231
He's blaming himself for something he never could have predicted. Pete did what most people not part of law enforcement or with any training did. If he socked the guy with super strength, he could have killed him. If the crook landed a lucky shot, Uncle Ben could have been the one mourning Peter's senseless death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 04:30:59 No.101196867 Report

Quoted By: >>101197145

>>101196354
Yeah! Then he'll be raped by other inmates, as our founding fathers intended!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 04:32:48 No.101196891 Report

Quoted By:

>>101186316
Two wrongs don't automatically make it right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 04:38:56 No.101196972 Report

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>>101186231
What I don't understand is why Peter didn't just shook up that faggot for his money, like:
>"Where's my Spider-money, bitch?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 04:50:40 No.101197145 Report

Quoted By:

>>101196867
Leave the rape of joker to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 06:17:53 No.101198105 Report

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>>101186231
>Why should he stop him from being robbed?
because it's right
because it would shame him into better behavior
because the thief doesn't deserve the money any more than the ripoff artist
because when a guy like this loses money he probably passes that loss onto others
because it's motherfucking -right-

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 06:31:26 No.101198237 Report

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>>101188045
>how is stealing from another thief evil
The fucking robber didn't know the promoter was a thief, just that he was rich. It's wrong to steal and cheat people even if they "deserve" it.
>>101191867
Robin Hood is the aligned "exception" because he doesn't steal for his own profit but to redistribute the excessive taxes back to the public that has been "stolen" from themselves. His ends are altruistic, even if his means are questionable.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 06:37:13 No.101198296 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 06:46:30 No.101198375 Report

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>>101186231
Because he has powers and shouldn't let a personal issues with someone excuse bad people from doing bad things. It's about not being a petty little bitch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 06:57:22 No.101198468 Report

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>>101187170
Holy shit a high five in the Rami version would have been kino.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 07:04:11 No.101198519 Report

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>>101186231
Peter did the right thing. If he had stopped the man then he would have violated the mans nap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 07:45:11 No.101198849 Report

Quoted By:

>>101186457
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 07:49:34 No.101198880 Report

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>>101188767
That's why you use a bunker-buster or a nuke

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 07:50:36 No.101198887 Report

Quoted By:

>>101189389
I want to live in that timeline

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 07:52:14 No.101198902 Report

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>>101186231

The whole point was what the right and wrong thing to do is not as simple as good or better or legal and illegal.

He realized his responsibility isn't just having powers but the opportunity to affect outcomes for people. He thought letting the criminal go wouldn't have any real consequence but discovered that it did, and so he now has empathy torwards people that could be affected by what he chooses to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Jun 2018 07:53:19 No.101198911 Report

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>>101186324
>he would've gotten a career criminal off the streets.

Technically, he did a better job of that... Well, after they got the hose out.

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