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Anonymous Sun 06 May 23:53:44 2018 No.100313205 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>100313459 >>100313496 >>100313524 >>100313586 >>100315547 >>100315560 >>100317587

I'm kind of confused with the MCU Asgardians. They're an alien species with super strength, durability, and longevity, right?

Then how do they have their unique abilities like Heimdall's sight or Thor's lightning or Hela's entire weapon thing? Are they magitech? Are they enchantments? Are they superpowers, with Thor/Hela/Heimdall etc basically being Mutant Asgardians?

Discuss

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Anonymous Sun 06 May 2018 23:57:50 No.100313289 Report

Quoted By: >>100313373 >>100313403 >>100313496 >>100317587

Presumably we're still dealing with the Asgardian/Aesir distinction here. Regular Asgardians are just as you said; super-strength, durability, etc, while the Aesir have additional abilities on top of it due to them essentially being gods.

The real reason is that nobody really knows the rules behind Asgard in the MCU, and they basically flipped everything on its head with Ragnarok because Fiege realized nobody really gave a shit about Thor.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:02:16 No.100313373 Report

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>>100313289
>because Fiege realized nobody really gave a shit about Thor.
Honestly, I think it was more a case of avoiding the circumstances of the classic Avengers stories where Thor is obligated to be off-realm so that he doesn't just wipe the floor with the current threat. There were a lot of issues like that, where say, Absorbing Man (a Thor solo-villain) would show up and rough up the entire team sans-Thor.

Now that the MCU is going Full Cosmic, it makes sense for his full power to be unleashed.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:03:21 No.100313403 Report

Quoted By: >>100313597 >>100313611 >>100317587

>>100313289
Yeah, definitely seems like they kind of reinvented Asgardians and even Asgard in Ragnarok. Like, was Asgard always just a flat plane? I thought it was a whole round planet like Earth? Are Vanaheim and Svartalfheim flat?

I like your Aesir/Asgardian point though. So Aesir are basically mutant or superasgardians?

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:05:56 No.100313459 Report

Quoted By: >>100313557

>>100313205
to paraphrase Star Trek "They are Gods Captain, but not as we know them." Seems silly to think that gods are not a part of the evolutionary ladder.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:07:42 No.100313496 Report

Quoted By: >>100313559

>>100313205
It's vague magic/science bullshit that will never be clarified
>>100313289
I think you mean Aesir and Vanir gods. Hogun is from Vanaheim after all.

You ask me, Thor material has been fucked since day one.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:09:18 No.100313524 Report

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>>100313205
They just do that.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:10:59 No.100313557 Report

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>>100313459
Ok, so some Asgardians, a species that already has magitech, are further evolving, and Thor etc. are like mutants to them?

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:11:20 No.100313559 Report

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>>100313496
>I like your Aesir/Asgardian point though. So Aesir are basically mutant or superasgardians?Yep, just bear in mind this is basically just headcanon. The real reason is that if there is an explanation, nobody remembers it because Thor 1 and 2 were boring as fuck and nobody can be bothered going through them again to find out.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:12:16 No.100313586 Report

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>>100313205

I take the option that they're gods.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:12:58 No.100313597 Report

Quoted By: >>100313804

>>100313403
>I like your Aesir/Asgardian point though. So Aesir are basically mutant or superasgardians?

Yep, just bear in mind this is basically just headcanon. The real reason is that if there is an explanation, nobody remembers it because Thor 1 and 2 were boring as fuck and nobody can be bothered going through them again to find out.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:13:55 No.100313611 Report

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>>100313403
Asgard has always been a flat plane island floating in atmosphere in space, (with a moon orbiting it in some shots.
The other realms when shown from a distance have been planets (except for Nidvellir, which is apparently a space station).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoK2lIOVBl8

From 02:02 on is an approach to Asgard in real space from Jotunheim to Asgard.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:18:05 No.100313669 Report

Quoted By: >>100313706 >>100313804 >>100313825 >>100315608

Better question is what the fuck is a realm in this universe? A planet? A system? A portion of the universe comprised of several galaxies?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:20:32 No.100313706 Report

Quoted By: >>100313787

>>100313669
see
>>100313611
They are planets conquered and unified by Odin and Hela as part of an empire. They've actually been pretty consistent in this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:20:34 No.100313708 Report

Quoted By: >>100313717

>>100313611
I can't believe the flat-earthers were right

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:21:19 No.100313717 Report

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>>100313708
Flat Asgarders maybe.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:25:06 No.100313787 Report

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>>100313706
So in short, Asgardians are a bunch of assholes who think they run the entire universe because they are the governing authority of NINE fucking planets and live longer than most races.

Surtur is a hero. Jotunheim is still in shambles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:25:33 No.100313804 Report

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>>100313669
A "realm" basically seems to be what the Asgardians call the planets and other bodies in space that they control. Asgard's a disk in space, Vanaheim, Jotunheim, Svartalfheim, Midgard, and Muspelheim are planets, and Nidavellir is a space station around a star. Niflheim was only glimpsed in Valkyrie's flashback, and we haven't seen Alfheim yet. What the fuck are the Light Elves doing?

>>100313597
Makes sense even as just a headcanon

Honestly I enjoy this magitech space opera scifi hodgepodge

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:26:34 No.100313825 Report

Quoted By: >>100313905 >>100313953 >>100313968 >>100313972

>>100313669
A betterer question is how a large city, which is what Asgard appears to be, manages to take over and control 9 other planets. There can't be many Asgardians even before Ragnarok happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:29:47 No.100313905 Report

Quoted By: >>100313968

>>100313825
Technological and magic superiority?
They had a race of Super-Dwarves making them weaponry in exchange for ensuring their privacy from every would-be Galactic Warlord who wanted a Doomsday Weapon?
>>100313787
The Asgardians have never put themselves off as Lords of the Universe, just stewards and Lords over their 9 Realms "provinces".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:31:49 No.100313953 Report

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>>100313825
Also they can teleport to at least anywhere in their dominion almost instantaneously. Which beats the hell out of humping it in a space-ship.
And they can build hammers than can obliterate space-ships.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:32:17 No.100313968 Report

Quoted By: >>100314003 >>100316974

>>100313825
Asgardians have 2 advantages over most races; The Bifrost, and nigh immortality. They live a few thousand years, and have healing factors. Moreover, The Bifrost grants them instantaneous traveling and tactical positioning. The only issue I have is like you said, army numbers. Well that and how Asgardians refuse to carry projectile weaponry. Seriously, they have flying longboats with guns, and yet insist on having laser swords.
>>100313905
They can still fuck off for lording over Midgard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:32:32 No.100313972 Report

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>>100313825
Hela, Odin, and an army of super strong, hyper-durable warriors including berserkers warping onto your planet out of nowhere from a rainbow blast? I think they could conquer plenty.

>>100313787
>Asgardians are a bunch of assholes who think they run the entire universe because they are the governing authority of NINE fucking planets
I mean, if anything it shows the Asgardians as a strong but small-minded people. I also slightly remember some lines suggesting they keep to themselves and their realms and are content to be "supreme" there. Valkyrie seems like pretty much the only Asgardian who doesn't rally to Asgard as their home. Her, Sif, and Elliot Randolph who was a berserker.

>Jotunheim is still in shambles
Yknow, if Loki didn't hate his Jotun heritage he probably could've been a decent king of Jotunheim and had the power he wanted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:34:07 No.100314003 Report

Quoted By: >>100314040 >>100314060

>>100313968
The very opening of the first Thor movie is Odin and friends showing up to repulse a Frost Giant invasion of 11th Century Midgard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:35:39 No.100314040 Report

Quoted By: >>100314075

>>100314003
Hey I'm not saying they haven't helped Earth out in the past, but their still stuck up dicks parading as an authority. Remember Midgard was one of the realms Odin conquered in his youth with Hela

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:36:01 No.100314055 Report

Quoted By: >>100314079 >>100314699

Hide Asgardian posts

Report Asgardian threads

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:36:23 No.100314060 Report

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>>100314003
Whereas the Sorcerors were holding down their Sanctums while the Casket of Ancient Winters was being unleashed.

I feel this gives the Asgardians a pretty justified sense of stewardship. They were repulsing interplanetary threats while humans thought longbows were cutting-edge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:37:26 No.100314075 Report

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>>100314040
As soon as humanity became sufficiently advanced, they left it completely alone and became legendary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:37:33 No.100314079 Report

Quoted By: >>100314092 >>100314100 >>100314238

>>100314055
We may shit on Dark World a lot, but damn if their art direction wasn't on point. Those Dark Elves looked fantastic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:38:38 No.100314092 Report

Quoted By: >>100314159 >>100314238

>>100314079
Agreed. Dark World fucking sucked but it was a really fun side of the MCU to look at and get lost in

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:39:09 No.100314100 Report

Quoted By: >>100314238

>>100314079
Dark World is disappointing more for what's left out rather than what it contains.
I don't hate it, it just disappoints me. I ignore the people who reflexively spit at anything MCU.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:41:09 No.100314143 Report

Quoted By: >>100314192

Asgardians and some other people are probably going to be Eternals in the MCU. Some people on Earth might have just thought they were gods and they possibly convinced themselves for whatever reason that they really were gods or were mind washed into thinking they were gods and have things happen to them that are similar to some things that happened in some of the mythology stories for some powerful being's amusement who wanted to watch the characters of Earthling's mythologies in real life. This would be in a way similar to how Loki watches those two people in a play reenact some things that are similar to what happened to him and similar to how the people making the MCU are making movies about characters from comics and other things.

It's already been shown that somehow the people of Asgard can lose their memories of things like Thor's sister and Asgard's past wars.

They might have accumulated Eternals and their descendants from all over the world who then assimilated to customs of Asgard. For some reason, these Eternals would have been cast out from where they lived or had where they lived destroyed. Some of them and their descendants moved to Asgard instead of one or more location on Earth (like Olympus) where they previously lived. Asgardians seem to live for hundreds of years and possilby not have many children for how old they are so there might be people still alive right before Ragnarok happens who used to live elsewhere and then moved to Asgard. These people might not have many generations of descendants for how old they are similar to Asgardians that already lived in Asgard otherwise there might be expected to be a much larger number of people living in Asgard compared to how many live there in the movies. Maybe it takes like 80 years for a pregnancy to be completed and that's why they don't have many kids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:42:07 No.100314159 Report

Quoted By: >>100314189 >>100314211 >>100314227 >>100314321

>>100314092
See, this kind of hyperbole.
Dark World did not "fucking suck".
Tranktastic fucking sucked.
Wolverine Origins fucking sucked.
Superman III fucking sucked.
Catwoman fucking sucked.

Dark World just made the mistake of thinking "we can really make people love this human supporting cast THIS time" and sacrificed too much story set-up in doing so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:43:55 No.100314189 Report

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>>100314159
>Dark World just made the mistake of thinking "we can really make people love this human supporting cast THIS time" and sacrificed too much story set-up in doing so.

You're not wrong in that this was my main gripe with the movie, but it doesn't stop the fact that that flaw was so bad that it made the movie fucking suck IMO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:43:59 No.100314192 Report

Quoted By: >>100314255 >>100314342

>>100314143
The Eternals are probably going to be the Eternals in the MCU.
I can honestly see them doing an Earth X-ish interpretation. I can also see then substituting the Eternals for the Greek Gods (or mashing them together).

Btw, I only read about a third of that, it's a waste of time to post like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:45:01 No.100314211 Report

Quoted By: >>100314282

>>100314159
It was just forgettable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:46:00 No.100314227 Report

Quoted By: >>100314282

>>100314159
no
Thor 2 actually sucked

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:46:33 No.100314238 Report

Quoted By: >>100314265

>>100314100
>>100314092
>>100314079
it's goddamn Jane Foster and her shitty friend that drag down both those movies

it was like a carry-over from the pre-MCU trend of giving superheros wet blanket love interests

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:47:19 No.100314255 Report

Quoted By: >>100314454

>>100314192
Now that I think of it, using Zuras and his lot is a convenient way of avoiding confusion with the DCEU, keeping the Sci-fi Gods angle, and expanding Marvel Cosmic all at the same time.
I really hope they do this. The Greek Gods contribute little to Marvel canon aside from Hercules, and he'd be easy to slide in as an Eternal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:47:52 No.100314265 Report

Quoted By: >>100314558

>>100314238
Portman hated playing Jane, and why she tapped out. I feel bad for Sif and her actress

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:48:34 No.100314282 Report

Quoted By: >>100314312

>>100314211
>>100314227
You're perfectly entitled to that opinion.
There were parts of it I hated as much as either of you. I just don't see the whole thing as garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:50:57 No.100314312 Report

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>>100314282
The final fight was cool, but there's just something about the first 2 Thor films that is bland, maybe the supporting cast.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:51:35 No.100314321 Report

Quoted By: >>100314375 >>100314699

>>100314159
>we have reached the point where we ar3 defending Thor's botched trilogy and not accepting the fact that they never have a flying fuck about the character nor its comics and would rather remake it completely into another quippy machine than fix everything
For all the "HURR DURR MARVEL IS SO COLORFUL" praise I see, Thor is the dullest. You'd think a MAGICAL WORLD would look bright and really nice, but nope, it's just some technobabble + some stuff we read about D&D. Shakesperean-speech hunk was the best version of the character and we'll NEVER have that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:52:37 No.100314342 Report

Quoted By: >>100314430

>>100314192
It opens them up to being able to use more ancient deities as characters in some sense as Eternals that were confused for being deities around the world in movies set in the ancient past if they have the Asgardians be originally like Eternals from Earth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:54:21 No.100314375 Report

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>>100314321
No one who could even approximately pass for Thor is going to do an entire film in tortured Shakespearian English. Even actors like Brannagh who are into that shit find it tortuous. And it kills the audience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:57:45 No.100314430 Report

Quoted By: >>100314444

>>100314342
Asgardians: Advanced aliens with magic who were conflated as Gods, decided to be hands-off Earth after they advanced to a degree.
Eternals: Mortals hyper-evolved by Celestials who became advanced immortals and conflated as other Gods, who generally lay low (or hibernate for periods).
Both can work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:58:57 No.100314444 Report

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>>100314430
And as Hercules is supposed to have quasi-mortal origins, he can totally work as an Eternal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 00:59:20 No.100314454 Report

Quoted By: >>100314492

>>100314255
If they are going to have Zuras be mistaken to be Zeus then they might as well do the same with Eternals and some other deities besides just Greek Olympians.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:01:28 No.100314492 Report

Quoted By: >>100314800

>>100314454
No, I'm saying just have MCU Zuras BE Zeus.
He and the other Eternals get mistaken for multiple Gods anyway, so just have them be Cosmic Highlanders created by the Celestials who occasionally get taken for Gods.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:04:05 No.100314558 Report

Quoted By: >>100314592 >>100314663

>>100314265
>Portman hated playing Jane, and why she tapped out. I feel bad for Sif and her actress

After she refused to do reshoots for Thor 2, Marvel never actually asked her back for Ragnarok. She was never a part of the script at all.

She's said that'd she'd come back if they wanted her.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:05:31 No.100314592 Report

Quoted By: >>100314641

>>100314558
I should've clarified that I was talking about Portman. No idea what happened with Sif. Maybe they just forgot she existed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:08:08 No.100314641 Report

Quoted By: >>100314681

>>100314592
Sif was supposed to have a bigger role in Dark World, but the actress hurt herself during a stunt. She also didn't appear in Ragnarok because of conflicting schedules, shooting for that show she's currently starring on NBC. So now Sif.......just fucking left this universe?

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:09:19 No.100314663 Report

Quoted By: >>100314771 >>100314777

>>100314558
Who Portman?
Alexander said she'd have been happy to do Ragnarok, but they gave her short notice, she was working on another set, on a different continent.

I'd settle for a Cosmic road-trip with Thor, Sif, Valkyrie and Hercules, where they go searching for a new Asgardian settlement and run across Beta Ray Bill (a reversal of their 616 encounter).

Hell, throw in Korg and Meik, and you could even have Pip the Troll as Herc's temporary smartass sidekick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:10:07 No.100314681 Report

Quoted By: >>100314771

>>100314641
>So now Sif.......just fucking left this universe?
Feige said LokiOdin likely banished her for asking questions, saving her from the extinction most of the Asgardians suffer

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:10:56 No.100314699 Report

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>>100314055
>>100314321
what could have been

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:14:28 No.100314771 Report

Quoted By: >>100314803 >>100314816

>>100314663
>>100314681
>Get banished from Asgard
>Thor finally finds her
>"Where the fuck have you been!?"
>Finds out Loki is dead, Jane left him, and he's now the new king of (what's left) of Asgard.
>Realizes this all actually worked out pretty well in her favor.
SIF! QUEEN OF ASGARD!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:14:36 No.100314777 Report

Quoted By: >>100314805

>>100314663
Throw in some crazy alien worlds, a villainous threat sufficient to challenge basically 5 warrior Gods, and this could totally be a movie. If you made Herc an Eternal out in space for some classic Hercules interstellar hedonism, it practically starts writing itself.

There's a wealth of Big Cosmics they could use as the Villain. They could even end it with New Asgard and some foreshadowing about a new Host approaching Earth.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:15:46 No.100314800 Report

Quoted By: >>100314845 >>100314865

>>100314492
Well, let's hope they don't introduce the Eternals as some people that have been hiding out doing nothing and not helping the world during WW1, the Holocaust, WW2, and other stuff like with Wakanda.

The ideas I suggested provides a good explanation for diversity of the cast that there probably will be if they have Eternals living in some sort of 'Olympus' in the MCU on Earth hundreds to thousands of years ago and interacting with people in nearby ancient Greece who will make historical artwork of some of these Eternals and also explains it for the Asgardians.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:15:59 No.100314803 Report

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>>100314771
That's a nice costume

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:16:00 No.100314805 Report

Quoted By: >>100314890

>>100314777
Yes but WHERES BILL?! as Beatrix Kiddo might say.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:16:37 No.100314816 Report

Quoted By: >>100314928

>>100314771
If you have:
Thor
Hercules
Beta Ray Bill
and Sif and Valkyrie both, you could have some serious romantic shenanigans develop in every direction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:18:03 No.100314845 Report

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>>100314800
>Well, let's hope they don't introduce the Eternals as some people that have been hiding out doing nothing and not helping the world during WW1, the Holocaust, WW2, and other stuff like with Wakanda.
The Eternals are known for long periods of hybernation/recovery. Just have them re-awakening after a few centuries after helping the Asgardians repel the Celestials or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:19:05 No.100314865 Report

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>>100314800
>Sword and Sorcery Black Knight
I don't know what this is, but it sounds amazing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:20:47 No.100314890 Report

Quoted By: >>100314928 >>100314954

>>100314805
Again, just do a reverse-Simonson storyline, have the Asgardians as the imperiled refugees and Bill as the ex-arena champion who comes to aid Sif and Val and Thor in a desperate hour.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:22:50 No.100314928 Report

Quoted By: >>100316727

>>100314816
>Hercules and Valkyrie become drinking/fuck buddies during the film
>Thor and Sif finally become close
>Bill gets to be a goddamn saint and a warrior of great resolve who denies his horse cock to all. Also there to awkwardly interrupt romantic moments
>>100314890
You ask me, Bill should be the one whose been looking after Sif since her banishment, and helping her get home this entire time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:24:25 No.100314954 Report

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>>100314890
>Thor falls in a big space fight
>Bill picks up Stormbreaker, channels it's power, defeats the rest of threat
>Thor decides to return to Eitri, has his classic-look Hammer restored, awards the Axe to his new ally.
Pottery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:25:31 No.100314976 Report

Quoted By: >>100315001

I wonder if Wonder Woman's Success has anything to do with Sif's being essentially erased from existence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:26:49 No.100315001 Report

Quoted By: >>100315035

>>100314976
Nah, it has to do with on-set injury and scheduling conflicts.
MCU seems completely indifferent to DC's catch-up efforts. If both were making hits, it would only be of mutual benefit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:28:42 No.100315035 Report

Quoted By: >>100315089

>>100315001
>Nah, it has to do with on-set injury and scheduling conflicts.
That explains why Jamie isn't in the movies, but not why no ones even talking about Sif anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:30:57 No.100315089 Report

Quoted By: >>100315145

>>100315035
Well this isn't the first time everyone in the MCU just straight-up forgot that a character existed. Remember how we had to be told that Valkyrie survived the start of Infinity War?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:33:57 No.100315145 Report

Quoted By: >>100315188 >>100315225

>>100315089
Have they ever mentioned Betty Ross again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:36:13 No.100315188 Report

Quoted By: >>100315225

>>100315145
They also never did anything about Tony going around personally looking for other superheroes like Bruce Wayne in JL. I honestly think that movie's just noncanon aside from Ross at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:38:02 No.100315225 Report

Quoted By: >>100315266 >>100317964

>>100315145
>>100315188
Incredible Hulk is still technically canon thanks to the Abomination references ("I broke Harlem"), it's just given the situation with Universal they see no reason to reference it at all. Betty got the shaft so Whedon could awkwardly ship Banner with Widow

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:39:57 No.100315266 Report

Quoted By: >>100315325

>>100315225
Betty was gone at the point that Widow and Hawkeye were still bro-friends, and they Widow and Steve looked like it might be a thing.

Stop carrying on like Whedon played with your butthole at your 8th birthday party. It's borderline pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:42:19 No.100315325 Report

Quoted By: >>100315382 >>100315702

>>100315266
Um....what? All I said was it was mainly a Universal issue, and Whedon made an really weird ship. That's all. Neither of those are false statements, and I don't understand why that has upset you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:44:55 No.100315382 Report

Quoted By: >>100315434

>>100315325
Not upset.
It's just tiresome listening to all the Whedon critique. All of the MCU directors have been imperfect, all have had awkward bits. Whedon got the entire endeavor to the point where we are now, and deserves his share of credit.

Whedon is too often the whipping-boy around here and The Avengers the favorite "It was never good" target.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:47:12 No.100315434 Report

Quoted By: >>100315525

>>100315382
Anon I don't care if he's the whipping boy around here or deny what he contributed, I'm still going to call him out on his weird ass pairing that has no chemistry or reason behind it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:50:44 No.100315525 Report

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>>100315434
It may not work for you; someone was going on about how Vision/Wanda doesn't work for them.

Dunno. People find themselves in odd relationships all the time. Do you have any experience in them besides Animes and Vidya?

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:51:25 No.100315547 Report

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>>100313205
I would assume their unique abilities are no different, on balance, to how humans can possess unique abilities themselves. Banner becoming the Hulk, Captain America being superhuman, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, etc. Or why Thanos' minions have their own superhuman abilites, like telekinesis and such.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:51:59 No.100315560 Report

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>>100313205

They got scared of having magic and gods on screen for reasons that make no sense and I've never really seen talked about and so the Norse gods on screen make no sense. It's the worst thing about the MCU.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:53:53 No.100315608 Report

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>>100313669
A galaxy. You see it in TDW.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:57:52 No.100315702 Report

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>>100315325

It's not a Universal issue. Marvel owns the content of the film, and they can reference it all they want. It was a weaker entry though, so they don't bother. But I think they're starting to set up Thunderbolts and Abomination could be great for that kind of team, so maybe then.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 01:59:19 No.100315735 Report

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>>100315525
Wow, go fuck yourself, buddy. I enjoy the MCU, but god forbid I give one little criticism, fuck me right? Vision and Wanda was actually canon, so I give it a pass. Black Widow and Hulk? Not so much. You can enjoy something and still point out its faults. Widow and Hulk doesn't work for me personally, keyword on "personally", because we've barely seen them interact and the justification seems a bit unwarranted. If you can't handle someone else not liking that, then that's your personal problem.

In short, go fuck yourself.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 02:02:25 No.100315815 Report

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>>100315735
>Vision and Wanda was actually canon, so I give it a pass. Black Widow and Hulk? Not so much.
So it gives you icky feels because it's Not Muh 616. Also sorry I struck a nerve, I did it intentionally because too many /co/mrades around here are virgins who judge fictional romances based on sappy shit intended for younger audiences.

I can see that is exactly the case here; go put some salve on it.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 02:09:20 No.100315945 Report

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>>100315815
Not canon has nothing to do with it, its the fact that we've seen NOTHING to infer they had any sort of chemistry, because all that shit happened off screen. I only ignored Wanda/Vision because it's happened before, and I don't really have an opinion on the MCU version. I'm actually part of the minority that liked Age of Ultron. Banner and Widow we're just told they're in love. As always show, don't tell, because otherwise it's shitty writing. You're the one whose apparently triggered by a minor criticism, and hides behind a demeanor of being a snide cunt. Get off your high horse.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 02:18:37 No.100316119 Report

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>>100315945
>Not canon has nothing to do with it
>Vision and Wanda was actually canon, so I give it a pass.
If you are the same Anon, you are just backpedaling at this point.
>Banner and Widow we're just told they're in love.
They've developed a co-dependent romantic interest in each other during downtime.
They ARE showing it, and how awkward it is for both of them with their various issues and hangups.
I too would be annoyed if they were suddenly just some perfect kissy-couple. Instead they are having problems with each other's emotional scars and it's being used to explore both characters beyond their surface mannerisms.

Stop treating it like it's Korrasami for Christ's sake.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 02:26:41 No.100316277 Report

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>>100316119
Stop being a sensitive faggot who gets upset people didn't adore everything the MCU has cranked out. All that was said was "I personally didn't care for it" and yet you for whatever reason act like everyone is ganging up on you, or that's an overblown autistic hate like what /co/ did with Avatar. My god, someone actually having a different opinion?! The sheer thought of it all!

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 02:34:53 No.100316431 Report

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>>100316277
Lol, stop posting furiously about how upset I'M not supposed to be.
Go get some fresh air. Take a snack break.
I was enjoying the banter. But seriously, try not to contradict yourself within the same overlong post.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 02:37:33 No.100316484 Report

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>>100316431
But I actually like my anger!

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 02:42:33 No.100316573 Report

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>>100316484
But you are telling me not to enjoy mine?!

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 02:50:18 No.100316727 Report

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>>100314928
>Thinking Hercules' homolust and pusslust wouldn't both activate, making him go after both Thor and Valkyrie for a dumb romantic triangle and mainstream audience progressive brownie points
He's one of the few characters confirmed to swing both ways, so you know it'd happen at least as a joke.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 03:01:20 No.100316974 Report

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>>100313968
I suppose it's out of place to mention that the Gods are NOT immortal in Norse legend.
>https://norse-mythology.org/tales/the-kidnapping-of-idun/
Idun raises apples (or some food, the word's not clear) and without eating them regularly
"... the gods and goddesses felt old age creeping up on them. Their skin became wrinkled, their hair greyed, and their vigor waned."
She was apparently the only one with a "green thumb". Without her they were dead.

Most of the "who are the Aesir?" is just years of Lee and Kirby throwing whatever was at hand into the stewpot and hoping for the best.
Certainly the Icelanders didn't imagine all the pseudo-SF rigmarole. Their idea of Valhalla extended no further than someplace warm where there was enough to eat.

BTW: Thor had red hair. And probably a beard and lice and other stuff it's not polite to mention.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 03:30:06 No.100317587 Report

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>>100313403
>>100313289
>>100313205
In the MCU, I think that they're implying that the Aesir; Bor, Odin, Hela, Thor, etc are genetic remnants of Celestials.
This term is very different to its comic counterpart. And so they established themselves as tribal leaders of Asgard, a plane where it's seemingly magical properties affect even the everyday Asgardians lifespan.
The Aesir tend to have magical god-like abilities due to latent celestial genes in their bloodline, probably harnessed or derived from Asgard itself. See when Frigga died, her 'essence' joined the milky way above them, probably due to some bullshit like their energy is recycled through the realm itself.

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 03:46:47 No.100317964 Report

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>>100315225
Good. The actress sucked and they had no chemistry. I get that they were trying out a relationship dynamic different from the "quipping best friends with tension" one every other MCU hero has with their girlfriend, but it was really boring and she never seemed particularly interesting or compelling as a romantic interest or a character in general.

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