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Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 18:10:38 2016 No.21148 View Reply Original Report

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So obviously you have disposable income. Why haven't you given to an organization that actually makes a difference in the world?

Anonymous of Gensokyo !ALlEnCirno

Anonymous of Gensokyo !ALlEnCirno Thu 06 Oct 2016 18:11:31 No.21153 Report

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>>21148
Like breast cancer research?

Punky Brewster

Punky Brewster Thu 06 Oct 2016 18:12:13 No.21154 Report

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i believe 4chan will make the biggest difference in the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 18:15:44 No.21171 Report

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>>21148

"Makes a difference in the world"... such as what? Cancer "research" is searching for patentable treatments for profit. There are about a dozen CURES for cancer, but there's no money in a cure, now, is there?

I'm interested in establishing a foundation that would provide me with two or three very good bottles of red wine each day. That would make a big difference in my own personal world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 18:16:07 No.21172 Report

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>>21148
Simple to answer

4chan gives me something in return for my $20. What organization could I possibly donate to that can say the same?

I am a selfish man

Lacuna !DND3tmcp3s

Lacuna !DND3tmcp3s Thu 06 Oct 2016 18:24:57 No.21209 Report

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>>21148
I use 4chan more often. I actually don't know why I read Wikipedia so little now. I guess I get my information elsewhere now.
>>21171
Cancer is a class of diseases. Basically each cancer is its own unique disease. Each cancer that affects an organ, like say the liver, can also be caused in multiple different ways, meaning a cure for one wouldn't work for a different kind. It's like saying there's a cure for viruses.

The way our society works though, treatments are more incentivized than researching a cure.

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NepNep !TopNepVRVw Thu 06 Oct 2016 18:31:39 No.21259 Report

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>>21148
But OP, the same question applies to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 18:48:01 No.21331 Report

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>>21171
>There are about a dozen CURES for cancer
There are cures for SOME KINDS of cancer.

Grand Moff Tarkin !.hw3cITR0s

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Grand Moff Tarkin !.hw3cITR0s Thu 06 Oct 2016 18:50:12 No.21339 Report

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>>21148
because I only care about myself

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Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 18:52:58 No.21352 Report

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>>21259
I give $150 annually to make up for the cheapskates who can't come off 12 quarters

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 18:54:47 No.21356 Report

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>>21171
>2 or 3 bottles a DAY
Wew lad

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Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 19:23:29 No.21438 Report

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>>21148
Because I don't give a shit about other people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 19:23:39 No.21440 Report

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>>21148
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Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 19:25:17 No.21448 Report

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>>21339
>>21438
w-what about your friends on /vip/?

VIP?

VIP? Thu 06 Oct 2016 19:28:45 No.21458 Report

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>>21148
I donate to effective altruism charities actually

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Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 19:36:19 No.21479 Report

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>>21448
Of course I love you all.
At least just the anime posters.

SomeWhiteKnight

SomeWhiteKnight Thu 06 Oct 2016 19:37:10 No.21482 Report

Quoted By: >>21488

I actually do. I don't want to say how much or to who because it would breach "bragging good taste".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 19:39:41 No.21488 Report

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>>21482
nice humblebrag tripfag

SomeWhiteKnight

SomeWhiteKnight Thu 06 Oct 2016 19:40:37 No.21492 Report

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>>21488

Dude, namefag. Tripfag requires... a tripcode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 19:41:17 No.21494 Report

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>>21148
wikipedia doesn't need my money

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Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 19:43:53 No.21503 Report

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>>21494
You know if we all gave $3 the fundraiser would be over in an hour, right?

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Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 19:46:53 No.21512 Report

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>>21492
Sorry, my mind must have been playing tricks on me

namefags are okay, you can stay

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 19:52:05 No.21522 Report

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>>21503
>>21494
I tried donating to wikipedia once, but I couldn't find any way to do it anonymously. I emailed support about it and all I got back was some garbage copy/paste that didn't even answer my question

If they can't let me donate and their tech support doesn't even understand english, they'll survive without my money.

!KItTyCAtS6

!KItTyCAtS6 Thu 06 Oct 2016 20:15:04 No.21581 Report

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I fundamentally disagree with the institution of charity. I think it's a bandaid for what we should actually have, which is a government that invests in helping its poor, and its special interests. I would vote to both make charity illegal and make some sort of ministry of charity. I would much rather everybody in the country donate a cent annually as part of their taxes to whatever vetted Non-Profits happened. I'm a big believer in big government. Right now, shit like Susan G. Cummin suing other people for claiming to be searching for a cure to breast cancer while doing literally nothing to fund research about it pisses me the fuck off. A little more oversight in this disgusting non-profit charity racket is sorely needed to shut down bad actors. I also don't like the current model of donating to charities because only the most attractive causes get any money. Shit like donating money to starving children in Africa, Sarah McGlockenspiel on TV trying to torture me with pictures of sad animals, or shit like THE ICE BUCKET CHALLENGE are a disgusting neo-liberalistic farce. Noble institutions trying to cure ALS shouldn't be reduced to fucking youtube internet memes in order to generate enough funds. There should be a beaurocracy wherein you apply, state your claim, and a ministry official oversees and confirms you for a percentage of the budget, and taxes should be increased across the board so that everybody pays in a quarter of a cent to all the charities. Then we might get something done in this country, and not have 90% of my fucking donation money going to advertising for more donation money.

Fuck charities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 20:17:07 No.21587 Report

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If all 27 million unique 4chan visitors bought a pass Hiro would never have to maliciously redirect phoneposters ever again.

!KItTyCAtS6

!KItTyCAtS6 Thu 06 Oct 2016 20:20:35 No.21596 Report

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>>21581
Oh, and another fucking thing? Fuck large corporations selling more units by saying they'll donate a percentage of the proceeds to the bullshit charities, and then making more money than than that percentage so they turn a profit off the misery of others. Fuck the super market asking me if I want to round up my change to donate some money to the Save the Children foundation. Fuck this corrupt symbiotic relationship between for profit institutions and non-profit institutions.

I should point out that I don't know how to feel about artists on Patreon, whether or not that should be the same thing. I would very much be in favor of artists receiving some sort of stipend for their work and don't think that artificial scarcity brought on by paywalls is a viable business model so maybe shit like donating to artists as if they were a charity might be worth keeping but fuck. Fuck man, I'm not going to claim I have a perfect solution, I'm just pissed the fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 20:24:29 No.21606 Report

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I gave you a hundred bucks back when I was employed Jimmy and now you send my NEET ass emails whenever you need money

SomeWhiteKnight

SomeWhiteKnight Thu 06 Oct 2016 20:26:50 No.21613 Report

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>>21596

Artists do not do work with any intrinsic value. It isn't like a coal miner or a factory worker whose work actually produces things of real physical use that in one way or another provides the means to the basic necessities of people.

The value of artists work is inherently subjective. They make as much money as their work is popular and valuable to people.

However, they cannot put a certain value on their work. Like, a glass of water has the same utility to every person. But a given shadbase pic does not have the same utility to every person. So shadbase cannot put shadbase pics on the free shadbase market and compete with all the other shadbases out there to produce the highest quality shadbase pics for the lowest price. He can only get what he can get.

It isn't charity, it's just a product with no fixed market value theoretically possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 20:27:36 No.21617 Report

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>>21148

But I already do.

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!KItTyCAtS6 Thu 06 Oct 2016 20:30:19 No.21630 Report

Quoted By: >>21638

>>21613
Okay, that makes sense. Disregard all the shit I said about artists then. I was just thinking of donations in general and thought of a counter example.

SomeWhiteKnight

SomeWhiteKnight Thu 06 Oct 2016 20:33:47 No.21638 Report

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>>21630

Additionally, what you were describing above is just socialism. Not necessarily full socialism. But "use taxes... to give people welfare" is a socialist concept.

In the social democracies of northern europe they have shit like that. Although they don't outlaw charities, it's just people have a lot less need for charities, because their welfare system actually works.

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Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 20:43:21 No.21664 Report

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>>21148
but that's what I have done

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!KItTyCAtS6 Thu 06 Oct 2016 20:45:26 No.21668 Report

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>>21638
I'm aware of that and don't fear "socialism" the way a vampire fears the cross. I acknowledge that linear programming loses out to capitalism in every conceivable way so I definitely wouldn't wish full on communism on anybody, but... Man I don't know, I'm just bitching about my feelings I guess. Philosophically I view human dignity as very important, and I think of begging as a highly undignified thing to have to do. Whenever I see Jimmy Wales asking me for my Wikipedia Shekels I cringe so hard I have to describe it with a colorful metaphor. But when I see somebody dying because our social safety nets failed them, because they got shot in the spine and can't work anymore, because they got some disease that has a cure but they can't afford it, because they want to help save the environment, whatever, when I see one of these people begging it makes me angry because there's just no other way to get money for these sorts of projects without perverting them into being more marketable.

SomeWhiteKnight

SomeWhiteKnight Thu 06 Oct 2016 20:49:50 No.21682 Report

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>>21668

Charities are the only thing private individuals can do to ameliorate our broken welfare system. Individuals cannot get enough will together to counteract the corruption of all the money going to politicians who will ignore the suffering poor in favor of helping their donors, so charity is their only recourse.

If we could fix the welfare system, the charities would disappear. But if we criminalized charities, it would not cause politicians to fix the welfare system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 20:55:49 No.21699 Report

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>>21668
Personally, I sort of see our existence as an engineering problem, and political philosophies are different attempts at optimizing this system. The key difference between the different approaches, to me, is which variables they choose to optimize for (at the cost of which other variables)

I also feel like all political systems need to take into account the fact that we're all driven purely by egoism. Your political system can only work if everybody who participates in it does so because he believes doing so will be a net win for himself.

Capitalism is pretty good at making people believe the latter, which leads to more participation and hence domestic output overwall.

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!KItTyCAtS6 Thu 06 Oct 2016 20:56:09 No.21702 Report

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>>21682
Understood. I was concerned with a symptom and not with the disease, like being angry about a fever and ignoring that the fever is an immune system response to try to cure the infection. You've put it into context that makes a ton of sense to me. Thank you for your thoughtful posts, SomeWhiteKnight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:01:22 No.21718 Report

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nigga i got this shit for free. my banner design won

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Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:01:34 No.21719 Report

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>>21148
Here's your money Jimmy, now leave me alone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:04:20 No.21735 Report

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>>21148
>20 dollars a year?

im not Donald trimp

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:08:40 No.21767 Report

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>>21718
what banner was it?

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Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:08:46 No.21769 Report

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>>21148
http://www.alcor.org/

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Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:13:58 No.21808 Report

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>>21767
it's a work of art

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Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:22:03 No.21855 Report

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>>21808
what a fucking retarded banner I cant believe it won

I didnt vote for that one btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:28:01 No.21890 Report

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>>21855
that's the point. it's supposed to be retarded. 4chan isn't exactly the place where the world's intellectuals come together. maybe I should have added more to it. also, fuck you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:29:22 No.21900 Report

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I donate beverages to strangers in bars for my personal amusement

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:31:41 No.21918 Report

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100% of "charities" are a scam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:31:59 No.21920 Report

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>>21148
What has the world done for me lately?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:32:28 No.21924 Report

Quoted By: >>21960

>>21808
I didnt vote for that

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:38:57 No.21960 Report

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>>21924
i was actually quite surprised mine won. I quite liked the >any job i want >300k starting one.

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Grand Moff Tarkin !.hw3cITR0s Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:50:36 No.22003 Report

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>>21448
You're ok

Shinobu a better btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:51:39 No.22011 Report

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>>22003
no argument there

only loli shinobu tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 21:52:00 No.22012 Report

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Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2016 22:07:48 No.22113 Report

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>>21171
i will inherit a small vineyard, maybe we can work together in the future

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2016 14:16:56 No.24052 Report

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I'd rather spend money to keep this site up, than to let the autistic community mingle with normal.

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