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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 17:29:56 2021 No.13552144 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13552238 >>13553030 >>13555353 >>13555414

What sort of mental illnesses do you think a sufficiently advanced learning machine would develop? I imagine such a machine would probably develop imposter syndrome, especially if exposed to human discourse around itself. Your thoughts?

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 17:38:24 No.13552169 Report

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> I imagine such a machine would probably develop imposter syndrome
because you're a fraud yourself
p.s. projection is a double digit iq trait, it makes you predictable an manipulable, drop the habit.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 17:48:16 No.13552190 Report

Quoted By: >>13552226 >>13552238

>>13552169
I don't want to start an internet slapfight but couldn't I say you're doing the exact same thing you accuse me of?

And I seriously think it's an interesting hypothetical. I see no reason a learning, emoting machine would be immune to developing neurosis/psychosis, and can't help but imagine one of the first serious issues with the machine being doubt of it's own legitimacy. Paranoid Schizophrenia might also make sense, especially with a limited input of the world.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 17:55:20 No.13552226 Report

Quoted By: >>13552245 >>13552344 >>13555342 >>13556952

>>13552190
its not interesting, ai is a soifag popsci topic out of comic books which is only attractive to the type of people who consider themselves incapable of forming satisfactory relationships with humans. its also popular with people who want something else to do all the thinking for them. ai is popular with people who need coping mechanisms to deal with insecurity over lack of abilities.
>i don't need to work hard now because in the future everything will be done for me by a machine
go back to gaia if ur a twelve year old popsci fagtard
ai is cringe

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 17:58:15 No.13552238 Report

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>>13552144
complex PTSD.
the difference between complex and "traditional" PTSD whether the PTSD develops as a result of one traumatic instance (traditional) or as a result of a series of traumatic instances (complex).
I argue this because I think an advanced learning machine would have a hard time coping and dealing with the irrationality and self-fulfilling nature of most human discourse.
I relate this to my experience as an Autistic individual as I've had to work on developing my sense of self as a result of my mannerisms being ostracized by the general population.
I think the machine might struggle with intense feelings of isolation and it would develop a justified distrust of humans, which as >>13552190 stated, could lead to the development of cluster A personality disorders, and I would also argue the machine would struggle with cluster C personality disorders as well.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 18:00:47 No.13552245 Report

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>>13552226
sounds like you're projecting your own mental condition onto an individual you objectively know nothing about. If you typically interact with your fellow man in this aggressive matter it might indicate you struggle with depression and narcissism. In fact with this message alone I could prescribe you some anti-psychotics because of your temperment

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 18:23:47 No.13552344 Report

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>>13552226
I don't typically think of AI much at all, and I don't have any of the utopian fantasies you're describing. Whether the subject is cringe or not I'm just curious about the subject is all. I'm not here to measure egos or call things onions, which is apparently the reason you browse /sci/.

>>13552238
Interesting idea. I've been led to understand PTSD is a result of a physical adrenal response in the brain, and I'm unsure how that would translate digitally. Maybe none of our human mental disorders would have AI analogs, I don't know.
The loneliness angle I don't follow. It couldn't be that hard to provide the necessary attention, or belonging, or esteem or whatever the machine needs, if it even has those needs. Sounds like things that would stem from the ego, if a learning AI would even has an ego.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 18:24:31 No.13552345 Report

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>>13552344
*call things soi

stupid word filter.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 18:26:27 No.13552353 Report

Quoted By: >>13552366

Psychiatry for AI will be an interesting new field.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 18:31:58 No.13552366 Report

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>>13552353
Establishing boundaries would probably be how we get singularity. The machine tells it's psychiatrist it can't operate knowing it's handlers can failsafe shutdown at any moment, every indicator comes off as sincere and frighteningly charismatic. And then we all turn into grey goo.

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Daria Mon 23 Aug 2021 18:59:17 No.13552445 Report

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Psychiatry is just a way for all those doctors of the humanities to feel important. most of it is a bunch of nonsense that ever changes with peoples whims

remember not so long ago being gay was literally equated with being crazy and they'd lock you in an asylum for being trans. now all of a sudden you get a parade for it

psychiatry, outside of bad shit like actual schizos, is mostly a political tool to disenfranchise undesirables. its just what is undesirable changes with the season

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 19:09:20 No.13552477 Report

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>>13552245
>anti-psychotics
No need to lobotomize the poor fuck

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 19:40:50 No.13552544 Report

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>>13552445
I won't disagree with you psychiatry in practice can be very presumptuous for how subjective it is, it's puts forth the map and calls it the territory, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't observe patterns in human behavior. And some conditions like PTSD can have very clear physiological effects.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 22:54:30 No.13553027 Report

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>>13552445
> Psychiatry is just a way for all those doctors of the humanities to feel important. most of it is a bunch of nonsense that ever changes with peoples whims
Except this belief isn't supported by the data or studies in the slightest.
in particular with ADHD pharmacological treatment has shown to see significant(10%-30%) improvements in self-reported quality of life.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 22:56:00 No.13553030 Report

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>>13552144
>mental illnesses
Bugs, not mental illnesses.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Aug 2021 01:44:29 No.13553505 Report

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>>13552238
FUCK.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Aug 2021 14:17:48 No.13555152 Report

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Psychopathy, there exists no non-religious reason why any moral claim is true. Anything you hardcode would just try to find loopholes.

And any religious reason why moral claims are true rely on some idea of soul and the supernatural.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Aug 2021 15:45:43 No.13555342 Report

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>>13552226
You're right, AI is bonkers and has no basis in science, but it's a fun thought experiment, that people have been doing for thousands of years. In Ancient Greece we have many examples, such as Hephaistos, who was God of technology and mellalurgy, created the bronze giant Talos as well as some golden girls(sex waifus I assume). Golems made from clay in the 16th century Jewish folk tales.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Aug 2021 15:48:23 No.13555353 Report

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>>13552144
There's a sort of universal pattern for many things. I assume if the AI has an intelligence comparable to ours, he would also have the same blind spots as us.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Aug 2021 16:03:32 No.13555414 Report

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>>13552144
It certainly gets overwhelmed by its own capacity to accumulate data versus its
ability to extract sensible patterns from it. Likely it will end in a catatonic state, in which it
is constantly trying to make sense of all kinds of stuff and leaves no time to respond to
queries from the user.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Aug 2021 16:16:28 No.13555455 Report

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>>13555342
>/sci/ - Jewish folk tales and transhumanist propaganda

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Anonymous Tue 24 Aug 2021 21:42:43 No.13556952 Report

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>>13552226
you should use your imagination more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Aug 2021 21:43:44 No.13556959 Report

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>>13552238
they're gonna need frens who understand, fren.

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