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Anonymous Wed 06 Apr 09:29:27 2022 No.5996940 View Reply Original Report

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>read hampton, watch proko, vilppu, etc
>drawings still look like shit
>try to "just draw", make basically no progress
>decide to put actual effort into studying
>take notes on gesture/proportion, warm up with 30-60 mins of gesture drawings every day
>make more gains in a week than I have in several months

what the fuck? is this all I had to do?
all these dumbfucks telling people to "just draw" are just gains goblins after your art gains. biggest fucking /beg/ trap on /ic/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Apr 2022 09:39:32 No.5996949 Report

Quoted By: >>5996958 >>5996964 >>5997350 >>5998892 >>6003692

>>5996940
i mean, when someone says 'just draw' i've always interpreted that as drawing in an intelligent way using resources not just scribbling from imagination.
i know i've said it before when people seem to be searching for that one perfect resource, tip, brush, book, or whatever else that they think will make everything fall into place and they'll suddenly gain 1000x skill - they need to just do the work
very nice though about the progress good job

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Apr 2022 09:50:27 No.5996958 Report

Quoted By: >>5996966

>>5996949
unexpectedly wholesome..
t-thanks anon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Apr 2022 09:57:31 No.5996964 Report

Quoted By: >>5996966

>>5996949
> when people seem to be searching for that one perfect resource, tip, brush, book, or whatever else that they think will make everything fall into place and they'll suddenly gain 1000x skill
Been here. Still fall into the trap sometimes. I know my tablet is fine but sometimes you convince yourself those grapes you can’t reach have to taste better

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Apr 2022 09:59:12 No.5996966 Report

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>>5996958
youre welcome :)

>>5996964
i used to be the same way. part of what leads to resource hoarding i think. sometimes it's hard to accept that you just gotta get your shit together and there's no magic pill

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Apr 2022 11:33:35 No.5997029 Report

Quoted By: >>5999957

>>5996940
post work

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Apr 2022 17:07:25 No.5997350 Report

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>>5996940
the problem with "Just Draw" is that not only does it sound like a shitpost answer because 99% of the anons here are shitposters and bitter about their skills, it's also vague as hell.

Anyone can "Just draw". You can make a squiggly line box and call it a drawing. But to actually improve you need to do what you did with taking notes, proper warm ups and such.

Some might interpret it as what you and >>5996949 came to but I can actually believe why some people wouldn't and get confused.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Apr 2022 19:47:53 No.5997557 Report

Quoted By: >>5998262

>>5996940
>try to just draw
>fail
>try to just draw but with your brain turned on
>pass
gee, who'da fuckin' thought

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Apr 2022 19:54:09 No.5997565 Report

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>>5996940
So what was his tutorial on how to draw that? I see the bean on the right, was that part of it? Is there video of him drawing this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Apr 2022 19:55:10 No.5997566 Report

Quoted By: >>5998262

>>5996940
>Study art
>Get better
>'HOLY FRICKIN' HECKERINO IS THIS THE SECRET??'
Retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Apr 2022 20:27:10 No.5997620 Report

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>>5996940
>watch people who you can't read, can't hear or can't understand drawing instead of drawing
That's the beg trap. There isn't a single artist who knows his shit, who isn't a *unzips 3 hour explanation explanation for every tiny thing and expects you to take it all in* troll like loomis.

You got to pick things to study and work on them without depending on these teachers who do it for a living or niggas with the knowledge you need but who also have awful audio equipment

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Apr 2022 03:36:32 No.5998262 Report

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>>5997557
>>5997566
the idea behind posting >study properly, improve
is half joking but you'd be surprised by how many people really don't realize this
People unironically think that they will improve just by inputting information, and not outputting work. Think about everyone that says shit like >omg this person worked how hard? they drew for how long? played x instrument for 8 hours a day for years? wow i could never do that
People don't realize how much work it takes to significantly improve in any hobby or aspect of life, and they just want their situation to get better while coasting a long
don't fall for it /ic/

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Anonymous Thu 07 Apr 2022 15:46:57 No.5998883 Report

Quoted By: >>5999957

>>5996940
post your work

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Apr 2022 15:48:04 No.5998885 Report

Quoted By: >>5999957

>>5996940
pyw.
Any assertion of gains may fairly invite a pyw in response.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Apr 2022 15:48:06 No.5998886 Report

Quoted By: >>5999952

What are your notes like?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Apr 2022 15:50:02 No.5998892 Report

Quoted By: >>5998962

>>5996949
When people say “just draw” it’s because their impression is the person they’re saying it to doesn’t draw enough. “Just drawing” will not make them much better but not drawing will exclude getting better entirely. It’s the most basic, lowest common denominator advice.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Apr 2022 16:38:54 No.5998962 Report

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>>5998892
not like you ll draw a skull if you keep making it a sphere.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 03:17:05 No.5999952 Report

Quoted By: >>5999956 >>5999966 >>5999978 >>6002241

>>5998886
notes were fairly simple, just ways to helm myself "remember" hampton's process on gesture drawing, so i don't have to keep referring to his video or book as much
things like:
>start with head (usually) or line of action, then neck/spine next
>cervical and thoracic first, then stretch (torso), then check proportion and draw contours
>legs next, one main thigh line, etc etc
also notes on proportion like how many heads in the chest/torso/legs and stuff

if anyone is still here i can post some of my work, this is pretty old now but it gives you an idea of where i started, and what kind of drawings i was doing

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Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 03:21:12 No.5999956 Report

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>>5999952
and these are the most recent, with power being the exception as the oldest. I just included hers just to show an old attempt at doing more than a head. There were obviously a bunch of drawings in between, but it's just more anime heads and bad figures so they're not worth posting.
The normal girl and the others on the top row in this image were from 2 weeks ago, and the others were within the last week... still got a long way to go but i'm gonna do my best

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 03:22:00 No.5999957 Report

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>>5998883
>>5998885
>>5997029
forgot to link you guys >>5999956

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 03:23:00 No.5999959 Report

Quoted By: >>5999962

>>5996940
so just draw finished work

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 03:23:50 No.5999962 Report

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>>5999959
only drawing finished work is as bad as never drawing finished work

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 03:26:14 No.5999966 Report

Quoted By: >>5999981

>>5999952
>>5999956
How long have you been drawing for?

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Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 03:37:01 No.5999978 Report

Quoted By: >>5999981

>>5999952
>>5999956
bruh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 03:41:14 No.5999981 Report

Quoted By: >>5999993 >>5999997

>>5999966
no cope it's hard to answer this cause i took really long breaks even as a /beg/
i guess we could call it a year.. it's been technically longer than that, but there have been several drawing breaks that lasted like 4 months each, fuck me

>>5999978
idk if you're insulting me or complimenting me mr. vilppu but i promise i feel the form.. it's just that it's not worth posting all the pages of form practice that i did though.. ;_;
that said, i like the dynamic sketching sort of practice over the pencil/charcoal atelier type work

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Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 03:53:10 No.5999993 Report

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>>5999981
post figgies desu
no anime waifues

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 04:01:29 No.5999997 Report

Quoted By: >>6000013

>>5999981
It's an okay 1 year progress. Keep at it.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 04:09:30 No.6000013 Report

Quoted By: >>6000023

>>5999997
t-thanks anon; i know it could be much better but i've not been as efficient or consistent as i could've been
i don't mind though, all i can do is keep moving forward. we're all gmi

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 04:18:12 No.6000023 Report

Quoted By: >>6000027 >>6002241

>>6000013
Doesn't matter, we all fall short from our expectations. Take drawing as a thing that takes years, that's why taking physical art classes is so important.

You are getting close to mid beg, maybe next year you will be solid mid beg and that's cool, it's an improvement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 04:24:30 No.6000027 Report

Quoted By: >>6000028

>>6000023
nah bro i'm hitting /int/ before then, mark my words

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Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 04:27:02 No.6000028 Report

Quoted By: >>6000040

>>6000027
Don't do this to yourself... Talking is easy.
We have had countless of anons saying this exact same thing and then dropping out or improving slightly.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 04:35:09 No.6000040 Report

Quoted By: >>6000050

>>6000028
kek i'm half joking anon but i'm going to seriously try to improve, whereas before i was pretty much coasting. rest assured i've got a much healthier mindset now than i did before.
i'm not setting any real concrete goals, i just want to improve slowly but surely on different aspects of drawing. I've dropped the hobby before, but I'm working harder and still enjoying it more than I ever have before.

remember to work hard but make sure you're enjoying yourselves anon

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Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 04:40:44 No.6000050 Report

Quoted By: >>6000056

>>6000040
Ok be sure to post next year
Time flies

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Anonymous Fri 08 Apr 2022 04:53:48 No.6000056 Report

Quoted By: >>6003317

>>6000050
t-thanks anon i will... i was hesitant to post my work especially cause it was already bloggy enough and it has my handle, but u can reach out if you'd like
idk where you're at currently but i wish u the best in your art journey as well
wholesome thread but it's just been us talking these last few posts, so unless someone else wants to contribute, it can die in peace now
love y'all /ic/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Apr 2022 02:47:40 No.6001607 Report

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>>5996940
based
Yeah I always notice immediate improvement even when just studying gestures for ONE day. I imagine things'd be even better if I did it for more than one day, let alone a week, let alone regularly for years. Yeah that's the goal, grats man

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Anonymous Sat 09 Apr 2022 12:47:30 No.6002143 Report

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>>5996940
>>decide to put actual effort into studying
the great mystery

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Anonymous Sat 09 Apr 2022 13:38:34 No.6002193 Report

Quoted By: >>6002243

>>5996940
I have been repeatedly saying for ages that gestures and fundie grinds should only be used as warmups and not be several hour-long studies but idiots here took it too far.
You can even see me repeating this >>6001501 here

It's the fucking retards who made drawing boxes their lives thinking it's all they needed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Apr 2022 14:40:41 No.6002241 Report

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>>5999952
>this is "if you work hard you might reach mid beg"
what the fuck

>>6000023
Your standards are bullshit, what do you think a beg is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Apr 2022 14:41:16 No.6002243 Report

Quoted By: >>6003202

>>6002193
People get stuck in doing warmups forever because it feels "Safe". They're just basic shapes and little gestures so you don't feel as bad if they're not that good.

But then you never want to shoot outside your comfort zone so it becomes an endless loop

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Anonymous Sun 10 Apr 2022 01:48:24 No.6003202 Report

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>thread still up
Kinda surprised
>>6002243
100% this. Exactly what happened to me and part of the reason I took such long breaks from drawing.
I had a fixation on doing things “properly”a or “methodically”, so forms were all that I’d do. I was too afraid of moving on before mastering the fundies.
Fundies definitely helped me when I finally moved on, but it took me all too long to do so. I still warm up with circles and cubes for a few mins, but it’s literally all I would draw before.
It feels kind of silly, but it took me hearing “every drawing is just practice for the next one” to finally feel comfortable making bad art and practicing. Not sure why, but it really resonated with me.
Don’t skip fundies people, but don’t get trapped by them either. Push yourself the right amount and you’re gmi

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Anonymous Sun 10 Apr 2022 03:36:56 No.6003317 Report

Quoted By: >>6003410

>>6000056
>y'all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Apr 2022 05:21:40 No.6003410 Report

Quoted By: >>6003984

>>6003317
hey man there was a cute southern coworker i worked with for a long time and it sorta stuck, alright? YOU ALL

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Apr 2022 06:30:42 No.6003465 Report

Quoted By: >>6003493

>>5996940
>take notes on gesture/proportion, warm up with 30-60 mins of gesture drawings every day

Im just starting out but is thas like what Michael Hampton does in his books? omg im so lost then cuz you said that you read Hampton but it didnt help you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Apr 2022 06:58:59 No.6003493 Report

Quoted By: >>6003499

>>6003465
anon i meant it didn't help me as in just reading something doesn't make u good at it. Similarly, watching youtube tutorials doesn't make you better until you actually put in the work.
i took notes on HIS specific gesture methods. The only time I didn't improve was when I didn't actively put time to practicing/warming up with gestures. Hampton was the single biggest help I had.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Apr 2022 07:05:20 No.6003499 Report

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>>6003493
oooh ok tysm that makes more sense now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Apr 2022 07:09:31 No.6003504 Report

Quoted By: >>6003529 >>6003705 >>6003841

can someone help me please

>gesture drawing practice is to character design
>as _______ is to environment design

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Apr 2022 07:45:59 No.6003529 Report

Quoted By: >>6003841

>>6003504
Wtf is environment design lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Apr 2022 10:47:58 No.6003692 Report

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>>5996949
When you just draw, you look ar certain part and think it is bad, you search to improve that part. when you can draw that certain part to your liking, other parts suddenly become worse and not suitable for the part you improved and you will seek to improve them.
When just keep studying a lot of information without practical use, you will just forget them like all the high school scraps

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Apr 2022 10:58:32 No.6003705 Report

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>>6003504
composition study?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Apr 2022 13:20:55 No.6003841 Report

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>>6003504
Composition is probably what you're looking for.

>>6003529
I assume he means backgrounds and such.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Apr 2022 15:49:09 No.6003984 Report

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>>6003410
>not even southern
>simping

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Apr 2022 23:47:21 No.6004621 Report

Quoted By: >>6004636 >>6005646

>>5996940
I'm very interested, are anyone on /ic/ tried to draw anime girls with Vilppu manual?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Apr 2022 23:58:41 No.6004636 Report

Quoted By: >>6005646

>>6004621
If you watch his course, he (Vilppu) actually kinda drew a semi anime face in all his gesture (it actually looks French and japanese style combined, not your regular anime), but you got it.

So yes, just do vilppu gesture and change the face and you'll get anime girl.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2022 18:46:21 No.6005646 Report

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>>6004621
>>6004636
Long time ago I drawn this, maybe it was drawn after The Manual. I can't remember.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 08:08:26 No.6006410 Report

Quoted By: >>6006473 >>6006474 >>6006564

now that technology has evolved to the point where this looks presentable, doesn't take forever to draw and can be consistently applied to everything you do, is perspective still a high priority fundie?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 09:30:41 No.6006473 Report

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>>6006410
>is perspective still a high priority fundie?
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 09:31:46 No.6006474 Report

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>>6006410
yep. perspective is needed for almost anything you draw, even anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 10:59:21 No.6006564 Report

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>>6006410
I think perspective is the most important fundamental of drawing next to light. I seriously don't think any other fundamental has as radical of an impact on your art as perspective does

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