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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 12:09:57 2022 No.5928096 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>5928100 >>5928131 >>5928167 >>5928172 >>5928212

What's the difference between /int/ and /pro/?
A good chunk of the stuff here that get called /beg/ could pass as shit people would pay for or most people outside here would call competent. Most times when something is called /int/ or /pro/ the skill gap is negligible at best, or no way as big from something like low /beg/ to high /beg/ even mid /beg/. I even see people call something /beg/ for a single mistake in a drawing and everything else is fine, if /int/ is a flawless drawing what the fuck is /pro/?
So what the fuck is the difference?

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 12:21:19 No.5928100 Report

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>>5928096
the first step to understanding /ic/ is to understand what crab posting is. that's my take on it. when you see people calling a competent artist a /beg/ because they made two anatomy mistakes, what you're seeing is crab posting (trying to intentionally discourage other people)

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 12:48:48 No.5928131 Report

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>>5928096
I think /pro/ means industry professional, not furry coom commissions on twitter

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 13:30:34 No.5928167 Report

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>>5928096
>What's the difference between /int/ and /pro/?
/int/
good control over all (relevant) foundational skills
consistent results most of the time
limited range of art styles

/pro/
full control over all (relevant) foundational skills
fundamentals and get consistent results every time
can use their skills in a wide range of art styles

Pros have more control over their relevant art skills. They get consistent results, every time, and have faster workflows. They have a wider range of art styles/directions they can take their art. What a /int/ can do with 3 brush strokes, the pro can do with just one.

>A good chunk of the stuff here that get called /beg/ could pass as shit people would pay for or most people outside here would call competent.
We are trying to talk objectively about skill, whether it can make money or not is irrelevant. Non-artist can't see all the flaws either.

>Most times when something is called /int/ or /pro/ the skill gap is negligible at best
Well it's subjective and everyone here has their own standards. Again, keep in mind beginners can't see all the flaws.

>or no way as big from something like low /beg/ to high /beg/ even mid /beg/.
The skill gap is just more obvious. 20% of the effort gets 80% of the results, so the basics are the most important. Every art teacher goes on and on about how the basic are the most important.

>people call something /beg/ for a single mistake in a drawing and everything else is fine
Fundamental mistakes mean the underlying foundational skills are lacking. That means you are /beg/. Even a pro messes up and draws an extra finger sometimes, so sometimes it's just a fluke. Some mistakes are so bad it's obvious they don't understand the fundamentals.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 13:38:39 No.5928172 Report

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>>5928096
>What's the difference between /int/ and /pro/?
/int/
good control over all (relevant) foundational skills
consistent results most of the time
limited use of their skills

/pro/
full control over all (relevant) foundational skills
consistent results every time
can use their skills in a wide range of art

Pros have more control over their relevant art skills. They get consistent results, every time, and have faster workflows. They have a wider range of art styles/directions they can take their art. What a /int/ can do with 3 brush strokes, the pro can do with just one.

>A good chunk of the stuff here that get called /beg/ could pass as shit people would pay for or most people outside here would call competent.
We are trying to talk objectively about skill, whether it can make money or not is irrelevant. Non-artist can't see all the flaws either.

>Most times when something is called /int/ or /pro/ the skill gap is negligible at best
Well it's subjective and everyone here has their own standards. Again, keep in mind beginners can't see all the flaws.

>or no way as big from something like low /beg/ to high /beg/ even mid /beg/.
The skill gap is just more obvious. 20% of the effort gets 80% of the results, so the basics are the most important. Every art teacher goes on and on about how the basic are the most important.

>people call something /beg/ for a single mistake in a drawing and everything else is fine
Fundamental mistakes mean the underlying foundational skills are lacking. That means you are /beg/. Even a pro messes up and draws an extra finger sometimes, so sometimes it's just a fluke. Some mistakes are so bad it's obvious they don't understand the fundamentals.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 14:09:01 No.5928212 Report

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>>5928096
imo:
/int/ is where you've hit the point of diminishing returns from grinding fundies. there's more you can learn but the gap between 'good' and 'betterer' is not really substantial enough to impress anyone in the same way going from dogshit to passable does.
this is the point where what you actually want to do with your art really starts to matter. you need to actually zero in on what like and really get autistic about the minor things that are stopping your work from looking like that.
a lot of your underlying weaknesses begin too seem very glaring and it is unlikely you will be able to get much in the way of valuable critique on /ic/ or anywhere else even though there is a lot that you know is still wrong with your work.
with some level of persistence and study, you can probably escape /beg/ in 1-3 years, you could spend the rest of your life and never escape /int/.
/int/ is also ime where a lot of your grinding habits can start to work against you. if you truly committed to the nolife, nofun, novidya, nofrens, only boxes style of grinding, it is very difficult to actually make art that has any value whatsoever. probably the biggest artgains i made this year came from exploring other hobbies and drawing less.

>what the fuck is /pro/?
for my own set of definitions, /pro/ is the stuff that made you want to be a serious artist in the first place.
there is plenty of low level work available for /int/ level artists and even a lot of third worlders who hustle and make a living with /beg/-tier work. you could probably sell your soul and capitalize of some niche disgusting fetish and have a fulltime income with very mediocre artbwork.
/pro/ is work that meets the industry standard ie, a portfolio that could get you a studio position, wotc jobs, work on a commercial level animation etc.
people who only want to do coomart patreons will have their own defintions and standards but these are mine.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 14:15:03 No.5928223 Report

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>>5928212
selling your soul to coomers or selling your souls to companies...

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 15:28:21 No.5928307 Report

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>>5928172
>/int/... consistent results most of the time

>Fundamental mistakes mean the underlying foundational skills are lacking. That means you are /beg/.

Which one is it?

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 15:29:48 No.5928312 Report

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>>5928307
>>5928172
>people call something /beg/ for a single mistake in a drawing and everything else is fine... Fundamental mistakes mean the underlying foundational skills are lacking. That means you are /beg/.

Sorry meant to quote the line before it too, as in a single mistake makes you beg

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 15:39:46 No.5928321 Report

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>>5928312
>>5928312
From one minor mistake it's too hard to judge whether it's a lack of fundamental understanding or just lack of skill. If you messed up one parallel line in perspective, it could just be a little off or it could be that you don't know how parallel lines converge in perspective. There is a range to how big your mistakes are. If it was 1 degree off, no one could tell, if it was 45 degrees off, anybody could tell that it looks wrong.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 15:41:58 No.5928325 Report

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Am I mid beg or high beg?

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 15:51:14 No.5928329 Report

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>>5928325
If I put all my biased aside and focus on what matters (not fancy rendering or tons of detail) it is high beg. It did what it needed to (be cute), and there is nothing particularly painful to look at, so it is good art. Maybe next time center her better and make the jaw look softer, but it still looks nice. Don’t listen to other people’s ratings or crabs on this board. All that matters is that it doesn’t look absolutely dogshit to the average person.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Feb 2022 12:21:24 No.5931709 Report

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>>5928100
If you make obvious mistakes you are not good, period. If you think it's good in spite of that your standards ate shit and you're NGMI. Alternatively, if you can't even spot obvious mistakes/sloppiness to begin with you have shit eye and also NGMI.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Feb 2022 13:00:11 No.5931751 Report

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>>5928212
>escape from /beg/ hell
>trapped in /int/ purgatory

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Anonymous Wed 23 Feb 2022 14:50:51 No.5931847 Report

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>this is not good

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