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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 02:55:46 2022 No.5904434 View Reply Original Report

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Anyone know of any instructional videos on gesture fit for a retard? Tried a bunch I've been recommended (Vilppu, Proko, Mike Mattesi, etc.), and they do nothing for me.

Also, I'd love to hear about your experiences with gesture in general.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 02:58:50 No.5904437 Report

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>>5904434
Most of these were done in 15 minutes, btw.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 03:03:17 No.5904441 Report

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>>5904434
Rather have an anime thread tbqhwy

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 03:09:10 No.5904448 Report

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>>5904441
just trace anime to get good

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 03:15:30 No.5904456 Report

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>>5904434
You're wasting too much time on each piece. Gesture is not about anatomy or details. You need to capture emotions of the reference.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 03:29:01 No.5904480 Report

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>>5904434
You have to feel the gesture.
You're focusing too much on making it look human. The gesture is more about capturing the general force behind an object and then constructing the human around the force.
When focusing on gesture don't be afraid to break bones and kill your humans, what matters more is conveying the forces and not accuracy.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 03:30:36 No.5904485 Report

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>>5904434
I like Michael Hampton's approach. He breaks it down into steps and constructs the figure on top of gesture lines. Try breaking it down into steps. Like just trying to find the line of action. Then the gesture of head to the torso, the torso to the hips, then the weight bearing leg etc.
I think having it timed hurts a lot of beginners. Just try getting a good gesture drawing, not a good figure drawing. Make sure it's simple and uses only a few lines. The quality of your marks make a big difference. Trying it once, then doing it again helped me too. Another method was tracing over photos for practice, then doing it again but exaggerating the pose, go so far it breaks the post then pull it back a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSzB3ESpfE0

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 03:48:52 No.5904519 Report

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>>5904485
Thanks for actually responding with a recommendation! But a lot of what he's talking about is kinda...beyond me. A retard.

Honestly, a lot of what frustrates me about gesture is the contradictions. Do we capture the motion, or exaggerated it? Is this a simple exercise, or do we need to know literally all the anatomy? What happens if I actually do "feel" the motion, and then everyone else tells me I actually didn't? Why can I watch someone do a great-looking gesture in seconds, only to have them go, "Whoops, that looks like shit, let's try again"?

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 04:07:57 No.5904546 Report

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i didnt really study any books so take this for what it is, but what it works for me if it does, is trying to convey motion or action isntead of a manniqui who is making a pose.
heres some of my gfesture

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 04:13:05 No.5904554 Report

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>>5904519
>a lot of what he's talking about is kinda...beyond me. A retard.
This negative self talking isn't helping. I know it's hard but try to think of it as a challenging obstacle not a complete roadblock. A lot of stuff will go over your head at first but that is to be expected. You'll have to study it and come back again study it again and again.

>Do we capture the motion, or exaggerated it?
Either approach is fine but constructing forms on top of the gesture tend to stiffen the gesture so we exaggerate it first to cancel that out a bit. The genre of art will also influence how much you want to exaggerate. Comic books for example always have dynamic figures, while academic drawings will have more static poses with more subtle gesture. This kind of big-picture thinking informs how you want to draw. If you wanna draw big muscly guys punching each other, dynamic figures with exaggerated poses and muscles helps sell that. If you're sculpting female figures in marble, you'll want smooth flowing lines to exaggerate the soft forms.

>Is this a simple exercise, or do we need to know literally all the anatomy?
You just need the basics. Get a decent foundation of the surface forms and that'll serve you fine unless you wanna do medical anatomical charts or something. Hampton's Analytical Figure Drawing video course plus his book is enough anatomical knowledge.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 04:14:05 No.5904556 Report

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>>5904519
>I actually do "feel" the motion, and then everyone else tells me I actually didn't?
"you don't know what you don't know". You might feel the gesture but that doesn't mean you successfully transferred that onto paper in a clear/appealing way. Robert Bevery Hale's book talks about this a bit. When creating art you have too keep in mind how other people will see it. Mirroring the canvas helps a bit, so does looking back at your old work. You'll notice mistakes that are super obvious now.

>Why can I watch someone do a great-looking gesture in seconds, only to have them go, "Whoops, that looks like shit, let's try again"?
They've done it thousands of times and have must higher standards and at this point different tastes too. The subtleties are honestly oblivious to beginners. Like when only a pro musicians notices the minor mistakes, where no one in the audience notices.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 04:15:43 No.5904559 Report

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gesture is memetic bullshit, do figure drawings and stuff and youll eventually understand the flow the body naturally follows. there is no such thing as a beginner drawing good gesturals, everyone you see is people who have already mastered the fundamental anatomy and proportion. eventually youll be able to do the same and utilize it for quick production.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 04:16:45 No.5904563 Report

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>>5904519
Not that guy you're replying to, but although in actual drawing you start with gesture then construction, but when you're a beginner you start with learning construction first then gesture will make more sense to you. By construction I mean by simplifying the human body into cylinders and boxes. Hampton also shows you how you can do it in his book.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 04:18:22 No.5904566 Report

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>>5904559
>gesture is memetic bullshit
>youll eventually understand the flow the body naturally follows.
That is gesture

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 04:21:21 No.5904570 Report

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>>5904566
sorry i guess i failed to state my entire point: trying to make beginners do it is retarded and feels like crab advice. it did for me at least.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 04:31:17 No.5904581 Report

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>>5904570
Yes I agree. I think they should be aware of it at least.
>x is a meme
is also crab advice most of the time so that's probably why I misunderstood you.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 04:41:25 No.5904594 Report

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>>5904556
Thank you for your point-by-point response, and sorry about the whining; gesture drawing just gets to me.

I'm not a good artist or positive person, but I can usually at least shrug and move past my failures to improve. With gesture, though, it's different. I've tried practicing during multiple periods, only to wind up in the same spiral: failure to improve, futile research, frustration, and in the end swearing off gesture in general. A few months later I think I might as well give it another shot, and here we are once again.

Pretty pathetic of me to start a thread hoping someone will point me to a magical video or instructor that will make everything click, but that's about where I'm at.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Feb 2022 04:50:21 No.5904602 Report

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The terminology is vague so I think you need to seperate gesture from croquis/quicksketch, which tend to focus on contour. I think its most helpful to think of gesture as a test or a plan for a longer drawing. You want to be able to evaluate a pose before you put work into it.

Gesture should therefore be fast; allow you to see whether a pose looks sufficiently proportional and correct; and allow you to see if a pose will be visually interesting. Better styles of gesture will make a pose look interesting through exageration and forcibly fitting parts of the figure to curves.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Feb 2022 12:29:51 No.5906781 Report

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I'm doing Steve Huston's course atm and I find it more newbie friendly and a more clear method than Hampton and Vilppu. Hampton's method of 'Draw the spine' and hyper focus on the ping pong curves never really worked for me and only made things more complicated. Huston starts with the midline of the body, which is much easier to visualize imo, and draws the torso as a simple tube at first, so you're not immediately off by exaggerating a curve.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Feb 2022 12:34:58 No.5906782 Report

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>>5904559
Unironically this. I don't understand why teachers recommend drawing gesture first, when you literally have no idea how a human body works. I was only able to draw something that isn't shit and actually resembles a human after drawing figures for a while.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Feb 2022 20:35:27 No.5907552 Report

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>>5904434
Draw Mickey Mouse and apply it to real people.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Feb 2022 01:59:38 No.5908173 Report

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>>5904434
Good manual.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Feb 2022 19:46:33 No.5909430 Report

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>>5908173
Wow, yeah. Found Griz & Norm's stuff on e-hentai, and it really is. Thanks!

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Anonymous Fri 11 Feb 2022 21:00:48 No.5909516 Report

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>>5904434
>Tried a bunch I've been recommended (Vilppu, Proko, Mike Mattesi, etc.), and they do nothing for me.
thats your fault

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Anonymous Fri 11 Feb 2022 21:23:49 No.5909555 Report

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>>5904434
I have a different question, I think I can draw gestures, but how do I actually use them for construction? Gestures are not anatomically correct after all.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Feb 2022 01:50:08 No.5910043 Report

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>>5909555
But gesture is a snapshot of pose and motion, isn't it? You draw gesture in seconds, than go home and draw construction etc. using gesture as ref. If I understood how it works.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Feb 2022 02:13:08 No.5910079 Report

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If you are drawing "correctly" you should be able to put down a light stick figure in 5-10 seconds and then indicate construction on top, and finally place some contours along the construction to suggest shadow and anatomy.

The problem is that the initial stick figure needs to be reasonably proportional and mark specific landmarks or the later steps will either be impossible or look like shit.

There are a lot of advantages to being able to draw like this, but the early steps rely on knowledge you acquire from doing the later steps so it is hard to learn.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Feb 2022 04:23:57 No.5910195 Report

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>>5904434
lexin yuan class 101 if you have access to cgp and then follow her advice

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Anonymous Sat 12 Feb 2022 18:18:56 No.5911054 Report

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Trying gesture myself, 5min ones, and I fail to capture the rhythm of the movement but we will get there in time I think. I tried doing 30 sec ones and they ended being unrecognizable and I didn't learn anything doing them but is it truly the way to capture the rhythm? Maybe..

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