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Anonymous Sun 26 Dec 22:43:46 2021 No.5809678 View Reply Original Report

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How do I teach myself to draw within a CONSISTENT schedule while coping with depression? I've been extremely prone to procrastination ever since my mental health tanked.
I've only produced 2 complete drawings this year. Compared to 30 pieces around the time I was 15!
It's devastating to know that I lost the discipline I once had...

the fact that my drawings are extremely poor doesn't exactly motivate me either.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Dec 2021 22:56:04 No.5809695 Report

Quoted By: >>5809699 >>5809707

>>5809678
>CONSISTENT schedule while coping with depression
this will ONLY work if you convince/hire other people to give you outside pressure like some art course or get together with other artists or hell pay someone to stare you down into drawing if you don't wanna do the other two.
In any case you need outside influence when depressed.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Dec 2021 22:57:35 No.5809699 Report

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>>5809695
How does one find outside influence?

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Anonymous Sun 26 Dec 2021 23:00:16 No.5809704 Report

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>>5809699
job/uni, family, friends or have money for an art course or something. Theoreticly internet is also possible but that requires a prime location.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Dec 2021 23:00:34 No.5809705 Report

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>>5809699
Not OP btw but I have been suffering from chronic depression for a year and a half.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Dec 2021 23:05:45 No.5809707 Report

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>>5809695
>>5809699
>>5809704
>>5809705
personal problems aside, anyone would get depressed if they barely made any progress in drawing for this long.
granted, there's a fuck ton of time between each drawing shown here, but still.
I know A4 paper isn't ideal but when you're depressed it's hard to even get the simplest tasks done like creating a proper workspace + best equipment.
in any case, if my drawings remain trash like they are now i'll never be able to get a consistent schedule.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Dec 2021 23:10:07 No.5809716 Report

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Step 1:

FUCK OFF GABE!

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Anonymous Sun 26 Dec 2021 23:10:35 No.5809717 Report

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>>5809678
>while coping with depression
>>5809705
>suffering from chronic depression
Meditation? 30min a day, every, single, day. See if things gets better after a few months, this likely will only be helpful over time; there's, to my knowledge, no magic wand for such issues. And by meditation, I mean, sit and close your eyes. Perhaps listen to some calm, speechless music once in a while too.
Don't hesitate to increase the duration a little if you feel comfortable doing so. Also, if you do so legs crossed, don't worry about legs tickling or whatever; Indian yogi have been doing it for ages without any issues, it's safe.

Again, as for drawing, this is much more likely to work if you can be consistent with it, repetition is likely to be key.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Dec 2021 23:12:12 No.5809718 Report

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>>5809707
Man, just eat your master copies for Heaven's sake. Take some pieces of art you like, and learn to copy them. You should quickly get at least as good as what you can copy with accuracy.

Then you can try to work from imagination/memory/reference, but learn to copy great art/art you like first.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Dec 2021 23:12:27 No.5809719 Report

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>>5809707
I actually want to be in your shoes because at least you drew something. I can't bring myself to finish a single drawing all year because my brain overdrives itself and I overthink what is happening. It doesn't matter what I do to help me feel better. I empty my paycheck every month on new art supplies, courses, whatever just to see if it'll help me feel better and I still can't bring myself to draw. I buy every meal on doordash because I think food will help change my mood, it doesn't. I upgrade my workspace, rearrange my bedroom, change my diet for a week or 2, nothing.

I have to find something to spark myself before new years day or it'll be a repeat of 2021 and 2020 but at this point I don't know what else I can do. Drawing is all I have left and all I want to do.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Dec 2021 23:17:04 No.5809725 Report

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>>5809717
I tried meditation. I've also tried writing in a journal for 20 minutes/day. I know a professional will say to go on meds but I've always never trusted medication.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Dec 2021 23:28:21 No.5809739 Report

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>>5809678
you have to know the enemy in order to defeat it

procrastination is just you with the lack of artificial barriers and limits

set limits to those things that make you procrastinate

if you invest too much tim eon youtube, hide your phone, IP block the site.

Buy an alarm and set it to a time where are you going to dedicate exclusively to draw.
Keep your work space clean of trash or other devices that are not focused for art.

uninstall all the games that keep you away from drawing, delete all your porn, log out of any social media, stay away from temptations.

then once you keep away any shit that is not art you work on it, slowly, whatever, you stay there some defined time, once that time finished you can do something else, each day

control is not in your mind, but in your life, and your life includes, space, virtual space, customs, activities, schedules, lifestyle, your body, your mind, your personality, setting artificial barriers will communicate to yourself that you have to do it, good luck

>"The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!"

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Anonymous Sun 26 Dec 2021 23:29:49 No.5809741 Report

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>>5809678
you set a time and follow it
your problem is not about time management,.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Dec 2021 23:59:32 No.5809773 Report

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>>5809725
I agree with taking meds; plus it doesn't always unroot the issue, just push it away a little. Maybe introspection? Instead of meditating 30min a day, spend 30min thinking about what happened/happens in your life, just lay-out the events, study your life.

In the past, I suppose those kind of issues would have been handled by going to church. Perhaps just go there, sit & rest a bit, see how it goes;usually church are opened all day long, not just for sermons.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Dec 2021 00:05:05 No.5809786 Report

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>>5809678
One way is to make yourself bored. Get rid of everything that could distract you until the only thing you can do to pass the time is to draw. If you can't disconnect your internet then take a sketchbook and go for a walk or drive to somewhere secluded and just sit there until you get bored.
The alternative is to just knuckle down and force yourself to ignore distractions, but the weak of mind just use the fact that such a thing doesn't just happen with no pain or effort on their part to make excuses not to do it.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Dec 2021 00:20:56 No.5809807 Report

Quoted By: >>5810364 >>5816542 >>5816597

>>5809678
>I've been extremely prone to procrastination ever since my mental health tanked.
Step number 1, depression does not exist, it was a made up concept that has generated billions and maybe trillions for the big pharma and health industry. The moment you realize this, the moment you stop thinking that "something is wrong" and the moment you realize everything is actually ok, then you can do whatever you want, be it drawing or climbing a mountain.
There, I changed your life permanently without charging you a single cent.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Dec 2021 00:26:54 No.5809825 Report

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have you tried physical exercise and cutting the junk food

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Anonymous Mon 27 Dec 2021 07:17:08 No.5810364 Report

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>>5809807
Not him; that's a nice trick, but, from experience depression/depressive feelings can be real, overwhelming, and extremely difficult to overcome.

It comes slowly, gradually eats your motivation/will power until you basically have just enough to live. Then, the effects are like being systematically tired, but without actually being tired: doing anything requires more motivation/will power than you have, and pushing forward is just too darn difficult.

I try to explain, because I'm pretty sure that if you haven't experienced it, it must look like people are lazy/weak/whatever, but as someone who used to work like 10h a day easily, being stuck to barely being able to work 2h if any is a real thing. That kind of frustration doesn't help.

In my case, meditation & rest have been effective to some degree, over *years*. I'm slowly getting over it.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Dec 2021 07:23:44 No.5810368 Report

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>>5809678
>gabe...

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Anonymous Mon 27 Dec 2021 09:10:46 No.5810452 Report

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>>5810364
I suffered from "depression" for a decade. Want to know what cured me up? It was nothing other than what I already posted. Depression comes from recurrent thoughts about things being wrong and from no hope being there, the sensation of constant inadequacy and that there's an imminent bad thing to happen eats your energy away because your body constrains from inside (faster heart rate, muscular constrictions, etc). But once you realize nothing is actually wrong, once you accept the world as it is, you can separate yourself from pain and go forward. That's how I ditched antidepressants and psychologists away.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Dec 2021 09:21:03 No.5810463 Report

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>>5810452
Interesting; glad you'd been able to overcome it. In my experience, those thoughts can be difficult to get rid of, especially when they are grounded in truth. Sometimes being conscious of the fake negativity wasn't enough: having a positive thought could have been extremely demanding.

My theory is that there are different levels of intensity of depression; furthermore, people will be more or less sensitive to depressive thoughts. Both being variable within a single individual over time, positively & negatively. Variability could be induced by various external factors (tiredness, loneliness/quality of human contacts, world perception, food, etc.);there's also a "vicious cycle" quality, where depressive mindset can set up external factors in such a way that it helps fuels that depressive mindset.

Thanks for sharing,

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Anonymous Mon 27 Dec 2021 09:28:11 No.5810469 Report

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>>5810463
>especially when they are grounded in truth
Statistically, only the top 10% of every social group are going to make it, and inside every social circle, its the same. Live on acknowledging that the universe has a set of laws, much like physics laws. In my case it was having had a problematic childhood and youth, and then having trouble succeeding financially and having had bad experiences with relationships. No single day I woke up without having my mind automatically running the thoughts "you're worthless, you're never gonna get better, it was all your fault, everyone would be better without you" non stop 24/7. But then I replaced those false expectations with different notions. Society expects you to be something, but what if you never liked it? Just live for yourself. Be as barbaric as this world. Do whatever makes you feel good, cling to whatever makes you have a good time and damn all the rest. Of course, most 4chan users are introverts, and introverts tend to let isolation get the worst of themselves. But the real change comes from just abandoning from the very roots of your brain the thoughts and things that society (family included) ingrained in you as a kid. I haven't reached happiness yet, but I know I'll be fully happy one day, and I know what path to follow now. And even if I die before getting there, I'll be glad of knowing I lived for myself and not for anybody else.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Dec 2021 09:46:49 No.5810481 Report

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>>5810469
>"it was all your fault, everyone would be better without you"
>Just live for yourself. Be as barbaric as this world.
>I haven't reached happiness yet, but I know I'll be fully happy one day,
I think there's a balance to be found between those depressive thoughts, and the mindset you successfully developed to get rid of them. And finding that balance may get you closer to happiness.

If that may help, I would suggest to try to closely observe people around you, trying to understand the mindset they are evolving with. Progressively, you would then be able to better understand them, in the same way that you have come to understand yourself.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Dec 2021 13:33:40 No.5810662 Report

Quoted By: >>5811005

>>5809773
>Maybe introspection? Instead of meditating 30min a day, spend 30min thinking about what happened/happens in your life, just lay-out the events, study your life.
I attempted introspection early morning today and while it might be the effect of "new years" coming around the corner helping out a bit I feel a lot better. I think I spent an hour and a half talking to myself, ruminating on the past and current situation.

Despite everything that happened there was still a saved version(s) of me that did not commit a permanent life altering, unfixable problem. Nothing happened and, at the same time, a lot happened. Well anyway before I write a 6000 page essay on 4chan I'll stop myself here and say thanks for reminding me about introspection.

I just have to start having more faith in a version of myself I have yet to form into existence. Time alone isn't going to repair the problem but faith in the plan and being one with the present. Looking into the future so much has been a detriment to my own mental health. Oh, I'm typing too much. I'll shut up now.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Dec 2021 13:41:07 No.5810665 Report

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>>5809678
my morning routine consists of doing my anki reps, then my line control warmup
feels like a waste to warmup and then stop, so i usually draw

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Anonymous Mon 27 Dec 2021 13:46:12 No.5810671 Report

Quoted By: >>5813025

>>5809678
find something more fulfilling than drawing. I started watching movies and playing more video games.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Dec 2021 18:13:37 No.5811005 Report

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>>5810662
Repetition dude, repetition, a marathon, not a sprint

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Anonymous Tue 28 Dec 2021 17:22:55 No.5813025 Report

Quoted By: >>5813027 >>5813089

>>5810671
only productive things are fulfilling to me. consuming media is literally the polar opposite of "productive"
I guess you could argue that it gives you inspiration for new art ideas.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Dec 2021 17:23:39 No.5813027 Report

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>>5813025
if you consider watching movies to be ''consuming media'' you are ngmi.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Dec 2021 17:57:20 No.5813089 Report

Quoted By: >>5816597

>>5813025
>it gives you inspiration for new art ideas.
A walk in a forest could too, and would be bring many other benefits. Also, quite frankly, a lot of series are half-baked, rushed to meet the ever increasing freshness demand. Not that one can't get inspiration from mediocre things, but if you have the choice, I suppose getting inspiration from Nature should lead to far better results.

Also, traditional culture (which incidentally was often based on a more direct connection with Nature) is often quite rich; our ancestors were quite subtle & delicate people, more than what is commonly believed today, out of sheer ignorance.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Dec 2021 19:43:56 No.5813291 Report

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>>5809678
Where is the light source of this picture?

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 07:56:30 No.5816542 Report

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>>5809807
kill yourself pseud

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 08:45:49 No.5816597 Report

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>>5809807
>>5810452
It's a really ebin story but aside from your personal experience (which you could be totally making up or not truthfully experiencing) do you have any tangible, provable, meaningful evidence that somebody can just meme themselves out of a psychological disorder?
>>5813089
The belief that all or most modern media is garbage is just as ignorant as the belief that all old media was garbage.
There is quality to be found in every age in just the same quantity as every age before and to believe otherwise is to either be utterly blind or to be substituting the fact of the world for their own personal preferences.

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Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 06:17:19 No.5818604 Report

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>>5809678
ive lost years to depression / negative outside influences trying to convince me im NGMI

Surround yourself with other artists who inspire you and make you want it. Have confidence in yourself that you can reach that level. And dont forget/procrastinate all the other important life shit that needs tending to every day. Social life, working out, eating right, all that shit.

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