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What level are you?

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 07:44:28 2021 No.5783857 View Reply Original Report

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If you can understand Chinese, just watch the video directly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Fv1MA7agw

Else, you can read a translated guide complied into a pdf because posting 10+ images in a row is retarded.

https://gofile.io/d/LXT2Iu

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 07:57:32 No.5783868 Report

Quoted By: >>5783914 >>5783982

>>5783857
Cool write up anon, but im not sure what you hope to gain from this or what you want me to do with it.
Additionally, the jump from 3 to 4 is too massive. They should have shortened 1 - 3 to 1/2 and 3/4 should have had more information. I guess I am a 3 but those examples are below me by quite a distance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 08:02:45 No.5783872 Report

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Level 5 imo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 08:04:29 No.5783876 Report

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>>5783857
I'm too scared to read it and find out I'm level 2 or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 08:05:54 No.5783881 Report

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>>5783857
>If you can understand Chinese

simplified chinese isn't chinese

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 08:07:22 No.5783884 Report

Quoted By: >>5786518

>>5783857
huge skill gap between 3 and 4
dumb IMO

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 08:14:47 No.5783896 Report

Quoted By: >>5783912

>everything before t4 is dA-tier /beg/ trash
>putting Frazetta and cubism-era Picasso side-by-side

retarded brainwashed CCP chink has no idea what he's talking about
If you take any of his opinion seriously you unironcally just doomed yourself to a eternal /beg/dom
retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 08:34:02 No.5783912 Report

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>>5783857
level 5, I thought I would be at a beg level, being on ic for so long affects you in one way or another.
>>5783896
the chink is saying that the skill level in the last tier isn't important, the few that reach that level are people that literally changed the history of art, i don't like picasso and his shit cubism style but i get what the chink is trying to say

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 08:35:05 No.5783914 Report

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>>5783868
I just thought it was interesting that someone had established a possible criteria to what it means to be a /beg/, /int/ and /pro/ through levels instead and so I decided to loosely translate it for those of you who can't understand Chinese. And yes, the jump from 3 to 4 is huge because its the same as going from /beg/ to /int/ and some unfortunately never make it there.

Oh btw forgot to add that the guy in the video claims he is only good enough to train people from level 1 to 4 so any opinions on level 5 and above shouldn't be taken so seriously. Also if you're level 5 and above you've probably left ic a long time ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 08:51:54 No.5783924 Report

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This is actually really retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 08:57:38 No.5783930 Report

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>>5783857
LOL that girl with the red ribbon at level one is a Mark Crilley's drawing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 09:00:07 No.5783934 Report

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>>5783881
Retard. Anyone that can read simplfied can read traditional and vice versa.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 09:01:36 No.5783936 Report

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I stagnated on level 3/4

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 09:03:36 No.5783940 Report

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I thought chinkoids were supposed to be smart.
The whole thing logically falls apart after tier 4, and the tiers prior to that were extremely easy conclusions to come to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 09:03:58 No.5783941 Report

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>>5783857
never change /ic/

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 09:45:02 No.5783982 Report

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>>5783857
>>5783868
Here I converted you pdf into a vertical jpeg for easy shitposting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 09:47:44 No.5783984 Report

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>>5783982
should have added the picasso bit

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 09:57:14 No.5783992 Report

Quoted By: >>5784009

>>5783982
Here you can see an asian seamlessly traverse through levels 3 to 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 10:07:28 No.5784005 Report

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I'd say I'm like a 4.5 which I think is really common and not all that impressive. It's a bit too condensed imo and there's a big journey from 4-5 but the first 4 can be completed pretty quickly

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 10:12:28 No.5784009 Report

Quoted By: >>5784015

>>5783992
asian genetics...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 10:19:51 No.5784013 Report

Quoted By: >>5784030

>>5783982
>the difference between a 3 (beg) and 4 (int) is your ability to finish a picture
let this be a wake-up call to all the anons mindlessly grinding. If you can't complete a decent picture then you're still is a beginner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 10:21:25 No.5784015 Report

Quoted By: >>5784088

>>5784009
>7years to git good
>asian jeans
Never going to make it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 10:28:52 No.5784021 Report

Quoted By: >>5784029

>picasso
>level 8
okay, decent troll, made me say "haha fuck you" out loud. 6/10 a little too obvious at the end

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 10:36:01 No.5784029 Report

Quoted By: >>5784032

>>5784021
chink argued that it didn't matter what people in level 8 were because their impact on the world is what made them god-tier, which is a legitimate observation and absolutely applies to Picasso

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 10:36:34 No.5784030 Report

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>>5784013
shit, you're right. alright bros, im gonna finish a picture. we're all gmi

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 10:37:49 No.5784032 Report

Quoted By: >>5784046

>>5784029
you think im gonna read what some wo ai beijing riceeating piece of shit has to say about art? im just looking at pictures and titles my man. you'd well do the same before you start convincing yourself bugmen have anything of value to say about the soul of humanity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 10:58:50 No.5784046 Report

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>>5784032
BASED

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 11:05:27 No.5784047 Report

Quoted By: >>5784056

>>5783857
Pro isn't a ceiling level you retarded chinkoid. If you're limiting your art to simply making dollars you missed the entire point of art from the beginning.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 11:06:44 No.5784048 Report

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>>5783857
>posting ushiromiyas

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 11:12:42 No.5784053 Report

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>>5783857
>it's all anime
Yeah okay sure buddy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 11:14:59 No.5784056 Report

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>>5784047
Ascended, true artist mindset, guaranteed gmi

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 12:12:05 No.5784088 Report

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>>5784015
Worth it. Seven years can pass in blink of an eye, but your skill stays forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 12:48:47 No.5784121 Report

Quoted By: >>5784192

>>5783857
>>5783982
>/int/ is /beg/ tier lines with rendering
This is retarded, why even talk about studying to leave /beg/ when you can't even pull up works with good grasp of fundies? None of the books seen for a second are even about rendering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 13:54:44 No.5784192 Report

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>>5784121
Can anyone that understands retards translate what this ESL is saying here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 13:57:03 No.5784196 Report

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>>5783982
>level 5 is worse than level 4
?

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 15:44:05 No.5784316 Report

Quoted By: >>5785446 >>5785533 >>5785797

>>5783857
I have good enough lineart to get chased off of /beg/ but lack the composition and color skills of level 4 so 3.5 I think
I'm not calling myself int before I can finish a piece

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 17:32:19 No.5784468 Report

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>>5783857
This ranking doesn't really convince me, also too stylized

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:06:30 No.5784528 Report

Quoted By: >>5784546

>>5783982
This guide is fucking retarded. 1-3 are all near the same level, level 4 is a bit better, but still muddy da tier trash. And there's a fuck huge gap. 5 is indeed pro (at least 2 of the examples) but I wouldn't call that top level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:12:12 No.5784546 Report

Quoted By: >>5784594

>>5784528
No, you are retarded.
1-3 is beg. 4 is int and 5 is pro. That's how it goes. Also top level is level 8.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:25:43 No.5784584 Report

Quoted By: >>5784599 >>5784661

>>5783857
Reminder that your skill means nothing if you don't have appeal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:32:32 No.5784594 Report

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>>5784546
Art skill is not linearly classifiable, retarded beg. int beg etc is just arbitrary ic meme nonsense

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:35:57 No.5784599 Report

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>>5784584
This. Think of every boringly perfect, tediously rendered piece on Artstation and compare that to something you probably consume regularly and enjoy. I'm sure the latter is of lesser technicality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:47:34 No.5784619 Report

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>>5783857
>between 3 and 4
that's where I'm at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:59:50 No.5784661 Report

Quoted By: >>5785664

>>5784584
This is why going beyond level 5 involves strengthening your style to create appeal. But that's not something that tutorials and books can help you with anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 01:46:30 No.5785446 Report

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>>5784316
Good luck anon

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Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 02:21:15 No.5785507 Report

Quoted By: >>5785527 >>5787100

I feel like this image has more clear divisions

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 02:33:08 No.5785527 Report

Quoted By: >>5785534 >>5785536 >>5785747

>>5785507
4th 5th and 6th mastery leves are all the same, kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 02:35:32 No.5785533 Report

Quoted By: >>5785723

>>5784316
you lineart is very good

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 02:35:45 No.5785534 Report

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>>5785527
4th is still a straight on perspective, just with a more dynamic pose. I agree 5th and 6th seem the same though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 02:36:04 No.5785536 Report

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>>5785527
Because he never got past the 4th so it would all be the same afterwards

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 02:38:28 No.5785540 Report

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>>5783857
Prebeg is level 0.
And some anons have that level but they dunning it and they think they are only begs.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 04:06:31 No.5785664 Report

Quoted By: >>5785726

>>5784661
People have to find their genuine self expression. Concepts like profitability, popularity, reputation, and meticulous construction go out the window in the face of true inspiration. True art is made from the soul, not what the brain says that it should be. This is very rarely said on this board, but it should be talked about way more. Too many people stuck in the "art grind" mindset while they forget why they fell in love with drawing in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 04:53:13 No.5785723 Report

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>>5785446
>>5785533
thanks anons. I'll start grinding colors and painting as soon as my college vacation starts

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 04:55:18 No.5785726 Report

Quoted By: >>5785733 >>5786154

>>5785664
You need both, I’ve never seen true self expression from someone totally beginner, it all looks the same or like edgy high school notebook art.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 05:00:01 No.5785733 Report

Quoted By: >>5786185

>>5785726
You're right actually. Even Picasso had his fundamentals down pat before he ended up doing his weird revolutionary art style.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 05:14:56 No.5785745 Report

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>>5783982
that leap between 3 and 4 seems pretty big
so i suppose i'm at 3

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 05:17:41 No.5785747 Report

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>>5785527
its the same artist trying to lower their power level

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 06:05:54 No.5785797 Report

Quoted By: >>5786679

>>5784316
>Those toes
Teach me your ways, anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 09:07:36 No.5786012 Report

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>>5783857
Sandwiched between level 4 and 5. I could easily be at 6 if I saw the need to put the effort in right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 09:25:00 No.5786040 Report

Quoted By: >>5786050 >>5786054

>>5783982
>This is the level where you might encounter a bottleneck period and find it impossible to improve from here
huh???? is this true?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 09:33:30 No.5786050 Report

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>>5786040
It's true for all levels

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 09:35:24 No.5786054 Report

Quoted By: >>5786068

>>5786040
There is a massive black hole between level 4 and 5 and most don't make it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 09:48:15 No.5786068 Report

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>>5786054
thats bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 09:55:50 No.5786077 Report

Quoted By: >>5786145

Level 4 in most things but rendering, I'm probably a 3 or 2.5. How do I advance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 10:48:21 No.5786145 Report

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>>5786077
Then just find a process video from a pro artist and copy their rendering process?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 10:54:28 No.5786154 Report

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>>5785726
Well yeah obviously. I think people just spend too much time grinding fundies and not enough time actually expressing themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 11:19:33 No.5786181 Report

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>>5783982
>>5783857
Somewhere between 4 and 5 but in drawing only. I almost completely ignored learning how to render because I dont find it interesting

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 11:20:35 No.5786185 Report

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>>5785733
Thats his father's work

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 15:56:43 No.5786518 Report

Quoted By: >>5786533

>>5783884
this
but also level 4 is way more complex than 5 lmao
this feels like a meme someone threw together citing a clip from someone who could very well be skilled but not necessarily apt at judging other people's art
the best of critics need not be the best at their craft and opposite is also true

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 16:10:05 No.5786533 Report

Quoted By: >>5786550 >>5786569

>>5786518
>/beg/tard that thinks an overrendered complex turd means its good
>oh but it's so detailed
lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 16:21:46 No.5786550 Report

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>>5786533
the mermaid thing in level 4 has a background and competently integrates the subject in it
that alone blows level 5 which is just moe shit
overrendered, maybe but eh, that whole thing is retarded and doesn't delineate any actual differences in competencies, literal apples and oranges with arbitrary commentary which you apparently fell for

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 16:36:59 No.5786567 Report

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>>5783982
>level 5 is just highly rendered anime shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 16:41:04 No.5786569 Report

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>>5786533
>>oh but it's so detailed
I can hear your claws snapping from here

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Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 17:53:55 No.5786679 Report

Quoted By: >>5786827

>>5785797
don't know if you're still there, but my approach has been basically drawing the toes as thicker pinkie fingers but instead of an ovoidal tip, I give them this bean like shape. it's supposed to point upwards slightly
I only do this for the big toe and the other two closest to it though. the two "outer" toes are more irregular and I still don't know how to stylize them

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 19:14:54 No.5786827 Report

Quoted By: >>5787042

>>5786679
Do you have a blog?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 21:07:51 No.5787042 Report

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>>5786827
not yet, sorry. kinda new to digital and /ic/ in general so blogging your stuff is something I've just recently heard about

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 21:37:04 No.5787100 Report

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>>5785507
so a total beginner should focus on, in descending order:
-Techniques
-Basics
-Perspective
the first two are very vague

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