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Correct Color Mixing in Digital Painting

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 22:20:32 2021 No.5778012 View Reply Original Report

>2021
>digital painting still can't mix basic colors
compsci cutie explains why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qa5iWdfNKg

Thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:27:47 No.5778025 Report

Quoted By: >>5778044

>>5778012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqZCsqALNJ0

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:28:02 No.5778026 Report

Quoted By: >>5778128

>>5778012
to make it look real it would basically have to be a 3d software wouldn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:31:25 No.5778030 Report

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Just use HSV/other meme sliders.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:32:45 No.5778031 Report

Quoted By: >>5778032 >>5778034 >>5778077 >>5779077

why do you need real color mixing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:33:50 No.5778032 Report

Quoted By: >>5778084 >>5779077 >>5782505

>>5778031
More vibrant colors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:34:50 No.5778034 Report

Quoted By: >>5779077

>>5778031
People want to emulate traditional without abstracting the process.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:34:58 No.5778035 Report

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>>5778012
Digital painting color mixing is wrong because it performs the calculations in gamma space as opposed to linear space. It has nothing to do with not emulating pigment mixing.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:35:04 No.5778036 Report

Quoted By: >>5778054 >>5778057 >>5778227

>the only comment is pic related

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:37:27 No.5778040 Report

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>>5778012
this is one of hundreds of things i hate about digital painting

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:38:20 No.5778044 Report

Quoted By: >>5778324

>>5778025
The people that made the video are the ones that made that software possible. I really wanna see it being implemented in either Photoshop or CSP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:39:34 No.5778051 Report

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>>5778012
just use a wet mixer brush in photoshop

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:40:49 No.5778054 Report

Quoted By: >>5778077 >>5778112 >>5780418

>>5778036
>hell is...LE BAD!
If I have to be thrown into hellfire for not beliving in God then I'm going to laugh while I burn as a final "fuck you"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:41:01 No.5778057 Report

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>>5778036
based proselytizer

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:52:40 No.5778077 Report

Quoted By: >>5778116 >>5779077 >>5782505

>>5778031
It's just... better? Having your colors not become mud-like when you mix them would be fantastic, even if you're not trying to emulate traditional painting with volumetric paints and whatnots.

>>5778054
You need to be at least 18 to post here

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:54:35 No.5778084 Report

Quoted By: >>5778091 >>5778111

>>5778032
I just boost saturation after sampling the blended colour, works fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 22:56:00 No.5778085 Report

Quoted By: >>5778744 >>5778801 >>5780100 >>5781638 >>5783824

>>5778012
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qa5iWdfNKg&t=1052s
>they released the source code
>https://github.com/scrtwpns/pigment-mixing
>License
>This code is for non-commercial use only. It is provided for research and evaluation purposes.
Krita devs get on it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:01:16 No.5778091 Report

Quoted By: >>5778098

>>5778084
No it doesn't because there is a hue shift as well. There's also all sorts of problems with keeping the same hue, saturation levels and values intact with post processing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:04:24 No.5778098 Report

Quoted By: >>5778107

>>5778091
I’m talking about as I’m painting, like turning a form, not after the fact in a post processing pass.

>bumping the hue as well
Good point I’ll play with this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:10:42 No.5778107 Report

Quoted By: >>5778109

>>5778098
That's flat out not possible with regular computer mixing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:13:13 No.5778109 Report

Quoted By: >>5778132

>>5778107
What? It’s just colour picking to get an intermediate value then bumping the saturation so the value looks the same to the eye (not just increasing the S slider), I do it constantly. I think we are talking about different things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:15:18 No.5778111 Report

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>>5778084
yeah no it doesnt
when you blend the two colors in the op you get this dark desaturated lime-ish yellow
upping the saturation will only get you a dark saturated muddy slightly lime-ish yellow

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:15:45 No.5778112 Report

Quoted By: >>5778116

>>5778054
Posts like this are funny, go back to your high school zoom class.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:18:10 No.5778116 Report

Quoted By: >>5778117

>>5778077
>>5778112
>You don't believe in religion? Must be underage!
Chuds, both of you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:18:50 No.5778117 Report

Quoted By: >>5778125

>>5778116
>I HAVE TO BE TOUGH ON THE INTERNET AND NEVER THINK THROUGH ANYTHING I POST

Fixed your retort for you

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:19:04 No.5778118 Report

Quoted By: >>5778131 >>5778140 >>5780321

>>5778012
There are many reasons digital painting is easier trad, one of them is straight forward mixing compared to the rocket science that is traditional mixing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:21:03 No.5778125 Report

Quoted By: >>5778159

>>5778117
Have sex, chud. Your fairy daddy in the sky isn't real

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:22:23 No.5778128 Report

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>>5778026
2D drawing applications already sort of use 3D calculations anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:24:44 No.5778131 Report

Quoted By: >>5778150 >>5778183

>>5778118
Is this bait? That gradient is useless and doesn't represent how ether subtractive or additive color mixing works.
>rocket science that is traditional mixing
You can learn it in one painting session.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:24:52 No.5778132 Report

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>>5778109
It's completely different. The hue and saturation shift happens in the transparent pixels with this color model. Even if you lock the transparency on every single brushstroke you make you're not going to be able to achieve the same result.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:26:57 No.5778139 Report

Quoted By: >>5778146 >>5778149

Would something like this be even possible and coherent? The way pigments mix vary greatly depending on the chemistry of whatever molecules are causing the color, especially when you take different mediums into account
idk I guess I don't see the point in whining about digital not behaving like traditional, sounds just as dumb as moaning about watercolors not mixing like acrylics

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:27:05 No.5778140 Report

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>>5778118
Completely wrong. Colors (and brushwork) is the one thing that is EASIER to get right with physical paints. Yeah the actual color mixing process is less convenient for obvious reasons but you get more vibrant results with less effort with the bare minimum of training.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:28:44 No.5778145 Report

Quoted By: >>5778153 >>5778154

>>5778012
clip studio paint.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:28:48 No.5778146 Report

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>>5778139
Forget about emulating trad for a movement. It just plain looks better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:28:49 No.5778147 Report

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>>5778012
Painting a piece that you want it to be mostly blue and yellow would be a 99% waiting game to avoid green spots and 1% doing something. No thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:30:46 No.5778149 Report

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>>5778139
I think corel painter has a version of this but no one ever uses it. I only even know because marco bucci di a #ad video for it recently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LroqHa24o-Y

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:30:48 No.5778150 Report

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>>5778131
Pretty much, color mixing is much easier than that shitty ass color picking tool that never picks the color you want

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNB3XY67Q-I

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:32:03 No.5778153 Report

Quoted By: >>5778221

>>5778145
That's cyan, not blue. And the mixing result still goes towards grey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:32:14 No.5778154 Report

Quoted By: >>5778162

>>5778145
completely wrong shade of blue

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:34:03 No.5778159 Report

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>>5778125

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:35:45 No.5778162 Report

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>>5778154
oops you're right

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:48:03 No.5778178 Report

Quoted By: >>5778643

>>5778012
didn't we already discuss this with the whole pigment vs light primary?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:49:48 No.5778180 Report

Quoted By: >>5778232

>>5778012
very interesting video, it would be nice to have the option of doing this but i dont think id use a software that only did this kind of mixing

the type of mixing done in these kinds of software simulates light. in real life a yellow light on a blue object wouldnt turn the object green, it would appear as the desaturated, greyish greenish blue as seen in the photoshop example. just because the color is prettier doesnt mean it's a better system.
it would be fun to paint like pigment though, i definitely wouldnt knock it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:51:25 No.5778183 Report

Quoted By: >>5778188

>>5778131
What's substractive additive color mixing?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 23:53:59 No.5778188 Report

Quoted By: >>5778643

>>5778183

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 00:14:27 No.5778221 Report

Quoted By: >>5778235

>>5778153
"Real life" is something like ultramarine blue and cad yellow, the other programs are purple and yellow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 00:17:20 No.5778227 Report

Quoted By: >>5778228 >>5778619

>>5778036
Why don't you believe in Science?
You have 4chan thanks to the Science.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 00:18:03 No.5778228 Report

Quoted By: >>5778239

>>5778227
Engineers>scientists

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 00:18:44 No.5778232 Report

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>>5778180
>just because the color is prettier doesnt mean it's a better system.
Idk, sounds like a pretty good argument to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 00:20:12 No.5778235 Report

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>>5778221
Just go try it in whatever software you use with max saturation blue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 00:21:00 No.5778236 Report

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>>5778012
Values > Colors
I couldn't give less of a shit to saturated colors

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 00:22:54 No.5778239 Report

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>>5778228
Here, take a seat.
Listen to me, why don't you believe in Science?
Science is everything in this Earth, you are living off your commodities thanks to Science and not some mythological angewomon that favors no one.

Seriously, you should begin by trusting our beloved scientists.
They make life good for everyone while your angewomon is just taking a poop in the digital world and that doesn't help you or humanity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 00:29:56 No.5778247 Report

Quoted By: >>5778273 >>5778346

>>5778012
https://github.com/scrtwpns/pigment-mixing
Anyone who is not a brainlet care to try this out? The stuff on there is like greek to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 00:48:24 No.5778273 Report

Quoted By: >>5778274 >>5778346 >>5778744 >>5778792 >>5781638 >>5781652

>>5778247
An experienced programmer could implement this on Krita fairly easily. The only way you get one to do it, is to go to the forums and create a thread until a dev shows interest in it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 00:49:40 No.5778274 Report

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>>5778273
>An experienced programmer
a street shitter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 00:53:08 No.5778275 Report

Quoted By:

iirc artrage and realistic paint studio can do this? They didn't mention those 2 software.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 01:41:20 No.5778324 Report

Quoted By: >>5782609

>>5778044
Would be amazing to have this in photoshop, it would bring an entire new dimension to my digital painting

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 01:58:55 No.5778346 Report

Quoted By: >>5778356

>>5778247
>>5778273
>Copyright (c) 2021, Secret Weapons. All rights reserved.
>This code is for non-commercial use only. It is provided for research and evaluation purposes.
>If you wish to obtain commercial license, please contact: mixbox@scrtwpns.com

Nah they are fucking jews.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 02:08:47 No.5778356 Report

Quoted By: >>5778556 >>5778559 >>5780100 >>5781638

>>5778346
Krita is a non-commercial program, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 04:59:19 No.5778556 Report

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>>5778356
Krita is GPL v3, which is free software and has no restrictions on use. Including commerical use.

You're the fucking retard. That code would never make it in there.

t. actually contributed to krita

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 05:07:31 No.5778559 Report

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>>5778356
Krita is GPL v3, which is free software and has no restrictions on use and obviously allows commerical use. So they can't use that code.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 06:04:26 No.5778617 Report

Quoted By: >>5778952

>>5778012
>meanwhile artrage 5 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syHEwQ7zQAA

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 06:05:25 No.5778619 Report

Quoted By: >>5779148

>>5778227
You don't BELIEVE in science, you KNOW science.
Belief is for religion and ideology.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 06:19:24 No.5778643 Report

Quoted By:

>>5778178
>>5778188
While its true their premise is inherently wrong because they're trying to force light to behave like pigment, the light color mixing of current painting software is also lacking.
You do get the right color, but muddy and desaturated because everyone keeps using the PS "dull and diffuse" color mixing style that was designed for photo manipulation, not painting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 08:18:02 No.5778738 Report

Quoted By: >>5778837

>>5778012
there's no good color model for digital, color models have mainly been made for scientific purposes and even then they all have weaknesses. their solution is only an approximation and will likely be tweaked and researched over the coming years because there's really no end point objective. i'm familiar with the papers they cited and the biggest problem is that you have to either get all the measurements the papers need or just make up and fudge data. it looks like a good start but it still seems completely off in a lot of ways. if you want real or more believable mixes then practice irl or use some of the cmyk and boosting with the rgb model such as sliders as hue cube to get a fuller rgb gamut.

computer graphics programmers and researchers have spent millions of hours on this and there's not a single solution because what you make up for in some areas you lose in others. this page has a good array of different color models and how each blends. blue to yellow and blue to white are interesting ones to look at if you're unfamiliar with this as they're very big sticking points in a matter of balancing math and how humans perceive color.
https://raphlinus.github.io/color/2021/01/18/oklab-critique.html
https://bottosson.github.io/posts/oklab/

news to me is they've apparently added oklab as an option in photoshop. it's not my favorite but it's nice to have more options.
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/gradient-interpolation.html
https://twitter.com/bjornornorn/status/1453069681082896394

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 08:28:22 No.5778744 Report

Quoted By: >>5783704

>>5778085
>>5778273
Boudewijn would probably tell you to do it yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 09:44:08 No.5778792 Report

Quoted By: >>5778796 >>5778800 >>5779149

>>5778273
Krita already had this a long time ago, but it got removed because the code was complex and nobody wanted to maintain it.
https://github.com/KDE/krita/tree/7036146c5a75e53196a20a3e4232313d796de9d9/krita/plugins/extensions/painterlyframework
> 2009

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 09:53:41 No.5778794 Report

Quoted By:

>>5778012
The way painting software works is more practical.

When I mix yellow and blue I want something in between, not fucking green.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 09:54:47 No.5778796 Report

Quoted By:

>>5778792
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 10:07:50 No.5778800 Report

Quoted By: >>5778803 >>5778829

>>5778792
also look at the github repo for the paper lmao
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/scrtwpns/pigment-mixing/master/mixbox.cpp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 10:13:17 No.5778801 Report

Quoted By: >>5778804

>>5778085
That's a really interesting talk. Especially the bit about why this research has never made it into painting software up until now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 10:16:23 No.5778803 Report

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>>5778800
Krita implements: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubelka-Munk_theory
No idea about the sctwpns code... A quick glance and I already know I don't want to be the one maintaining it or fixing it. I'll stick to watercolor and oils, thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 10:16:32 No.5778804 Report

Quoted By: >>5778815

>>5778801
it's obvious if you ever read the papers and tried to implement it. the one they talk about a lot and that krita tried implementing is incredibly complicated and requires a lot of parameters. no one would want to maintain it because it didn't perform well and is a huge burden to understand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 10:36:37 No.5778815 Report

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>>5778804
Yeah, 72 color channels would be slow as fuck, and adding the non overlapping color spaces just sounds like a nightmare. Imagine painting with colors your display can't display and wondering why what looks to you like the exact same shade of blue behaves differently every time.
I don't know much about this subject, but their solution sounds pretty creative. Kinda makes me want to try it, especially with colors that are outside of their gamut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 10:58:16 No.5778829 Report

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>>5778800
Most of that file is the STB_image loader implementation (no idea why they inlined it, for convenience probably), only the top shit before that PNG data array is relevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 11:04:16 No.5778837 Report

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>>5778738
>news to me is they've apparently added oklab as an option in photoshop. it's not my favorite but it's nice to have more options.
Only for gradients though, not the brush engine.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 12:55:41 No.5778895 Report

Quoted By: >>5778952 >>5779599

>>5778012
Here's something not many people know about. The vivid brush mode in Sai.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 14:18:52 No.5778952 Report

Quoted By: >>5779236

>>5778617
>>5778895
I'm pretty sure both of them are "cheating" to get the effect. It just check which of the primary colors you're mixing and gives the result. If you mix it with white, it won't give a more saturated color, for instance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 14:36:13 No.5778965 Report

Quoted By:

>>5778012
>not using CMYK like a chad in both digital and traditional art.
Imagine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 16:34:31 No.5779077 Report

Quoted By: >>5782814

>>5778031
This is a good question.

>>5778032
You do not understand how digital displays work. Sorry.

>>5778034
This makes sense to me.

>>5778077
>It's just.... Better?
This comment made very little sense. If you do not want muddy colors do not use them.

only >>5778034 made actual sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 17:00:06 No.5779100 Report

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>>5778012
that's because digital artists are soulless.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 17:39:48 No.5779142 Report

Quoted By: >>5779214 >>5779248 >>5779258 >>5783490

>tradshitters would rather learn how to program from scratch just so they can remake how digital color mixing works than actually learn a new color system outside of their fart-sniffing plein-air tree-painting classes
Why are they like this?
>OH NOOOO I CAN'T LOOK AT THE SCREEN AND DRAW WITH MY HAND ELSEWHERE, THAT IS LITERALLY GENOCIDE!!!
As a digital artist, I always have fun on the off-chance I get some real paint in my hands. Why can't they do the same with digital?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 17:43:58 No.5779148 Report

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>>5778619
Calm down autista

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 17:44:03 No.5779149 Report

Quoted By: >>5781638

>>5778792
Is there any way to make that work in 5.0?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:39:15 No.5779212 Report

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>>5778012
i prefer the digital mixing over the traditional one. because 99% of the time i'm mixing colors that are close enough that i don't need a super dramatic gradient, i want to go directly from point a to point b

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:40:15 No.5779214 Report

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>>5779142
this and based

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:58:27 No.5779236 Report

Quoted By: >>5779265 >>5779599

>>5778952
>If you mix it with white, it won't give a more saturated color, for instance
Like this?
>I'm pretty sure both of them are "cheating"
Well, it's digital. It's all cheating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:02:49 No.5779248 Report

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>>5779142
rent free

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:08:13 No.5779258 Report

Quoted By: >>5779260

>>5779142
I’ll admit I struggled with a no screen tablet and had to bite the bullet and get a screened one. Just have to do what you need to get the results you want, for me it was either don’t make art cuts paint after work isn’t going to happen or buy an iPad and draw daily.

Just sayin

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:11:02 No.5779260 Report

Quoted By: >>5779262 >>5783490

>>5779258
I was used to a pad tablet for years and when I got a screen tablet I found that my art process took exponentially less time, I'd say it sped up by at least 50%. It's just easier to use a screen tablet and I'm so glad they're becoming more accessible and widespread instead of the only option being expensive-ass Wacom

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:16:04 No.5779262 Report

Quoted By: >>5779284

>>5779260
I don’t know why people hate on screen tablet users, I know the parallax is bad and on iPad no cursor hover but… no screen is an extra confusion I can’t get over and seriously limited me

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:17:03 No.5779265 Report

Quoted By: >>5779278 >>5779652 >>5780433

>>5779236
That seems aight. I wonder what downside prevents anyone from using it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:27:44 No.5779278 Report

Quoted By: >>5783481

>>5779265
I feel it's because this kind of hue and saturation shift is less predictable in a complex setting. If I want a more saturated transition color, I'd manually pick it.
I don't want to dog on this project, but I do feel it's a novelty, especially given how most people already paint digitally on layers instead of mixing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:32:28 No.5779284 Report

Quoted By: >>5783494

>>5779262
So you're saying you have extremely low hand eye coordination

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 23:50:22 No.5779599 Report

Quoted By: >>5780512

>>5778895
>>5779236
I set my Sai brush to vivid and it's still giving me grey. What gives?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 00:16:07 No.5779652 Report

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>>5779265
Everything stylized is kill and you cannot blend strange ligths into your character anymore, because it'll take the skin color and fuck it up with something in between the real color, instead of a middle color between your skin color and your ligth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 05:05:26 No.5780100 Report

Quoted By: >>5781638

>>5778085
>>5778356
>This code is for non-commercial use only

Krita will never be able to use it because the project sells their app on steam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 09:02:31 No.5780321 Report

Quoted By: >>5780407

>>5778118
What is that video meant to demonstrate? A blur between two absolutely hideous colours?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 11:10:20 No.5780407 Report

Quoted By: >>5780419

>>5780321
That the blend shifts across reds rather than greens for some reason

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 11:26:58 No.5780418 Report

Quoted By: >>5780443 >>5781236 >>5783393 >>5783592

>>5778054
you wont be laughing. Everything good you experience here is of God, if you reject God out of spite and chose hell then you'll have nothing Good or True or Beautiful, only regret with the undying worm of conscience gnawing at you and the company of equally miserable souls.
So bend the knee to the Lord, you'll be happier even here on earth because you'll be attuned to the purpose of human life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 11:28:33 No.5780419 Report

Quoted By: >>5780420

>>5780407
that's not really what you think it's showing. hsv is derived from rgb values. the blending is probably done in a lab or linear srgb space then converted to hsv for the color picker.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 11:29:40 No.5780420 Report

Quoted By: >>5780436

>>5780419
forgot pic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 11:46:40 No.5780433 Report

Quoted By:

>>5779265
Because it's useless when you got 12M colors sampled on your pallete already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 11:51:25 No.5780436 Report

Quoted By: >>5780489

>>5780420
What are you getting at.
The intermediates are clearly not green, as they ought to be. I'm not a programmer, how they arrive there is irrelevant. My only concern is whether it's accurate or not.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 11:56:21 No.5780442 Report

Quoted By: >>5780444

Lmfao nigga colors are not even real like nigga just turn on the grayscale mode like nigga

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 11:58:18 No.5780443 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780418
How was this sodomite so sure that it was a God and not a satan?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 11:59:18 No.5780444 Report

Quoted By: >>5781272

>>5780442
If you think your pic related is grayscale better check your eyes m8

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 12:09:36 No.5780453 Report

Quoted By: >>5780458 >>5780463

Tested it out. Conclusion: different variations of blue and yellows will make a different green (unsparingly) .

The colors that were closer to green on the color wheel mixed better than the ones furthest away. The color witch where the furthest away either created a gray , purples or a dark red. Darker colors didn't mix too well either.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 12:11:49 No.5780458 Report

Quoted By: >>5780512 >>5780717 >>5781447

>>5780453
transparent version

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 12:16:12 No.5780463 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780453
Once again, digital proves to be an absolute joke, best used for maximally saturated sparkledogs. It's no wonder only the severely autistic and baby art scrubs prefers it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 12:40:19 No.5780489 Report

Quoted By: >>5780501 >>5780508

>>5780436
i'm saying it doesn't "go through red". hsv is a representation of rgb.
>I'm not a programmer, how they arrive there is irrelevant.
then nevermind since you have no idea what's going on

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 12:45:31 No.5780497 Report

Quoted By: >>5780502

I don't get it, isn't this working correctly for an RGB wheel?
You need to use at least cyan for green instead of gray.

For real life pigments they have impurities due to the physical material they are made of so they don't perfectly mix in a line, they curve away and you end up with the opposite of blue=orange instead of opposite of blue=yellow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 12:46:22 No.5780501 Report

Quoted By: >>5780530

>>5780489
>i'm saying it doesn't "go through red".
Serious question, are you color blind?
Whatever the case, NGMI.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 12:46:33 No.5780502 Report

Quoted By: >>5780506

>>5780497
Watch the video retard. It has nothing to do with the wheel.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 12:50:25 No.5780506 Report

Quoted By: >>5784650

>>5780502
Yes it does. They literally agree with me in the video.
Blue + Yellow = Neutral
They only reason blue + yellow = green is because of subsurface scattering due to the use of pigments which are impossible to grind finely enough to be perfect like digital color mixing.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 12:51:33 No.5780508 Report

Quoted By: >>5780516

>>5780489
Can you please circle in the area where you see any green hues

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 12:55:31 No.5780512 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780458
>>5779599

kek just look at the cmyk color space retards.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:00:16 No.5780516 Report

Quoted By: >>5780518

>>5780508

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:04:08 No.5780518 Report

Quoted By: >>5780521 >>5780525 >>5783500

>>5780516
That's yellow>warm gray you absolute /beg/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:05:28 No.5780521 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780518
And violet at the furthest left

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:06:55 No.5780525 Report

Quoted By: >>5780528 >>5780560

>>5780518
It's green champ.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:09:17 No.5780528 Report

Quoted By: >>5780534 >>5780535

>>5780525
>this hue is green

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:09:29 No.5780530 Report

Quoted By: >>5780541

>>5780501
serious question, are you retarded? the color strictly decreases in the red channel the entire way down from yellow to blue. originally it was stated that it "goes through red" based on the hue wheel but i pointed out that that's not an accurate representation of what's happening.
>What is that video meant to demonstrate?
>>That the blend shifts across reds rather than greens for some reason

the mixing you get in pigments is subtractive while digital is additive. it is not objective that between blue and yellow is green, that's just true for the subtractive model of color and the primaries you have.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:12:49 No.5780534 Report

Quoted By: >>5780579

>>5780528
looks yellow green to me, color is all relative. the human eye is most sensitive to greens but we still can't distinguish very well where green ends and yellow begins.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:13:11 No.5780535 Report

Quoted By: >>5780579 >>5780603

>>5780528

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:14:35 No.5780541 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780530
Look, I'm interested in representing real life objects through the rules of real life lighting. Not some made-up dimension X color space born out of programmer incompetence.

Can you show me one real-life instance of yellow + blue = purple? Additive, subtractive, or whatever?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:28:24 No.5780560 Report

Quoted By: >>5780572

>>5780525
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:33:54 No.5780572 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780560
>THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS
what did he mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:36:11 No.5780579 Report

Quoted By: >>5780583

>>5780534
>>5780535
>the absolute straw grasping

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:38:36 No.5780583 Report

Quoted By: >>5780585

>>5780579
get your 640x480 monitor calibrated

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:39:39 No.5780585 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780583
lmao

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:55:59 No.5780603 Report

Quoted By: >>5780609 >>5780618

>>5780535
It's chartruse green

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:59:59 No.5780609 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780603
>Chartreuse is a French liqueur available in green and yellow versions

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:04:03 No.5780618 Report

Quoted By: >>5780625

>>5780603
>it's still fucking yellow

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:06:12 No.5780625 Report

Quoted By: >>5780638 >>5780644

>>5780618
Search up all shades of green and compare to shades of yellow

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:11:51 No.5780638 Report

Quoted By: >>5780647

>>5780625
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_yellow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_green

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:14:11 No.5780644 Report

Quoted By: >>5780654

>>5780625
Lmao
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_yellow#Chartreuse_yellow

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:15:28 No.5780647 Report

Quoted By: >>5780653 >>5783993

>>5780638
Bonus content
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_chartreuse

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:22:07 No.5780653 Report

Quoted By: >>5780654 >>5780656 >>5780664

>>5780647
They even say in that article that what used to be called chartreuse is now considered in the yellow family and the new version is green.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:23:23 No.5780654 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780653
Forgot to add, it's in the yellow family here >>5780644

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:25:32 No.5780656 Report

Quoted By: >>5780663

>>5780653
Your point being we are all gonna LARP we live in the 19th century now for the sake of you being debatably correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:30:05 No.5780663 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780656
No I think that anon left I agree with you that its yellow

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:31:35 No.5780664 Report

Quoted By: >>5780670

>>5780653
I'm dumb explain Web colors and why it's different than just colors

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_colors

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors_by_shade

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:34:30 No.5780670 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780664
I think web colors are limited to a smaller gamut so that you know that older display technology can display those colors reliably.
Photoshop shows you this when you pick a color, it will have an exclamation mark to show it isn't a web safe color and may result in being changed on displays that are worse than yours.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:54:14 No.5780717 Report

Quoted By: >>5780723 >>5785891

>>5780458
It's seems the only way to acheive truly accurate results is by using hard brush 100% opacity and hand pick every single shade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:56:13 No.5780723 Report

Quoted By: >>5780730

>>5780717
yes. if you want good colors you have to find them yourself

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:59:31 No.5780730 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780723
Awesome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 20:05:42 No.5781236 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780418
Science made this world

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 20:27:13 No.5781272 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780444
Purple and green are not even a real colors nigga, like he didn't even get us man

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 21:54:45 No.5781421 Report

Quoted By: >>5781446 >>5781447

none of this matters. just fucking draw/ paint

too many variables

your eyes
your screen
the viewer's screen
the viewer's eyes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 22:05:52 No.5781446 Report

Quoted By: >>5781459

>>5781421
Low IQ post

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 22:06:43 No.5781447 Report

Quoted By: >>5781459 >>5781571 >>5781898 >>5781931

>>5781421
With results like >>5780458 you're a retard for thinking it doesn't matter. If you previously trusted digital blending to output acceptably accurate colors you need to rework your entire workflow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 22:12:25 No.5781459 Report

Quoted By: >>5781477 >>5783508

>>5781446
>>5781447
jfc...
I obviously meant the obssesion with getting the right colours in screen
Not painting with the right colors, which obviously I do
artists have been making great work with correct colors digitally for decades.
You don't need all this, just fucking start

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 22:27:29 No.5781477 Report

Quoted By: >>5781522

>>5781459
I just can't fucking decipher this post

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 22:56:36 No.5781522 Report

Quoted By:

>>5781477
It's someone too dumb to understand the problems with digital color mixing so he dismisses all conversation around the topic as useless. Ignore him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 23:26:48 No.5781571 Report

Quoted By: >>5781618

>>5781447
who gives a shit, just paint how you want it to look you fucking retard
this entire thread seems like a massive cope for not being able to paint. study harder

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 00:01:27 No.5781618 Report

Quoted By:

>>5781571
PYW, "hard-studier"

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 00:17:32 No.5781638 Report

Quoted By: >>5782260 >>5783515

>>5778085
>>5778273
>>5778356
>>5779149
>>5780100
Krita already had it implemented before and it wasn't worth maintaining
Image source: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=446759

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 00:29:24 No.5781652 Report

Quoted By: >>5782260

>>5778273
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA KRITA IS OPEN SOURCE AND GODDAMN SHIT. FUCK COMMIES

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 03:36:19 No.5781898 Report

Quoted By: >>5781942

>>5781447
It doesn't matter because you have direct access to 10M+ colors.
You mix colors in your pallete not in your canvas, that is already done, just pick a fucking color.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 04:01:18 No.5781931 Report

Quoted By: >>5781942

>>5781447
Retard, when people blend color digitally it's to create/soften edges. If artists want green between their blue and yellow they would just add green.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 04:10:18 No.5781942 Report

Quoted By: >>5781950 >>5781954 >>5781965

>>5781898
I'm sorry for thinking it would be a good idea for digital blending to actually WORK.
>>5781931
>when people blend color digitally it's to create/soften edges
And? You will still get the wrong colors in this area and will still have to fill in the correct ones afterwards. Retard.

Why are you faggots so salty anyway? Are you some reddit tier Brand Warriors who are mad I'm finding your pwecious software flawed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 04:12:53 No.5781950 Report

Quoted By: >>5781953

>>5781942
>You will still get the wrong colors in this area and will still have to fill in the correct ones afterwards
Based braindead retard. Have fun with your life

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 04:14:35 No.5781953 Report

Quoted By:

>>5781950
Yeah and you have fun thinking blue and yellow equals purple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 04:14:43 No.5781954 Report

Quoted By: >>5781958

>>5781942
You're really fucking stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 04:19:07 No.5781958 Report

Quoted By:

>>5781954
At least I'm not going full fucking fantard over a piece of painting software that fails to deliver.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 04:28:25 No.5781965 Report

Quoted By: >>5781970 >>5782958

>>5781942
>it would be a good idea for digital blending to actually WORK
It does, in the PALLETE, where it should.
Every app has a color mixer where you can select colors and get all shades created by mixing them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 04:34:28 No.5781970 Report

Quoted By:

>>5781965
Except that shit uses the same blending algorithms as the canvas you double retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 09:57:43 No.5782247 Report

Quoted By: >>5782266 >>5782272

sorry brainlet here. im a /beg/ digital painter but ive done a decent bit of watercolor as well but just why the fuck is it a problem if digital blue and yellow make grey instead of green? if you want to use green why not just using fucking green? i guess a simple counter to that muh saturation and values but again, i still dont see the issue or get why you dont just use the color you intend to use

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 10:15:19 No.5782260 Report

Quoted By:

>>5781652
>>5781638

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 10:25:55 No.5782266 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782247
Forget about color mixing to get the right color for a moment. That's just for demonstration purposes. The main benefit of this color model is that it makes brush strokes and blending while you're painting look 100x better. If you could get watercolor to behave like the standard digital color model you'd instantly understand why it's inferior because it would look utterly lifeless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 10:34:28 No.5782272 Report

Quoted By: >>5782277 >>5782361 >>5782966 >>5782970

>>5782247
>if you want to use green why not just using fucking green?
that's the point when people earlier were saying "just paint" but others were sperging at them calling "ngmi". it's people procrastinating doing any work by trying to find whatever shortcut they can possible. would it be nice to have a model that better mimicked real pigments? absolutely. but it's never going to match one to one so you make do with the tools you have. odds are these people don't even paint traditionally anyway. the best part of painting traditionally for me are all the wonderful neutral tones i can mix in gouache or watercolor that hold a painting together. doing that in digital is a lot harder without having to tweak tons of sliders the entire time while in trad i just add a little pigment toward whatever direction i want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 10:43:16 No.5782277 Report

Quoted By: >>5782305

>>5782272
If your takeaway from the video was that this is a neat way to pick your colors that is similar to trad you've completely missed the point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 11:21:54 No.5782305 Report

Quoted By: >>5782976

>>5782277
that's literally all it is. you're still a bitch to the lab color space, xyz color space, illuminant d65, and the trash heap that is srgb even with this model.

it's simulating subtractive color mixing on a substrate. what else are you supposed to get out of it? this isn't the ultimate answer to color mixing, it's literally just one method based on some measurements with a lot of fudge factors involved.
>“the question of how the color of a substrate is changed by the application of a coat of paint of specified composition and thickness, and especially the thickness of paint needed to obscure the substrate”.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 11:54:15 No.5782361 Report

Quoted By: >>5782375

>>5782272
>discuss literally any art related subject on a board dedicated to discussing art related subjects
>HURR STOP PROCRASTINATING WHY AREN'T YOU DRAWING YOU ARE JUST MAKING EXCUSES TO NOT DRAW FGOKIUJSHNFGO
Well back to you Kim Jung Fag why did you type out that useless post instead of drawing?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 12:04:02 No.5782375 Report

Quoted By: >>5782394 >>5782985

>>5782361
typed that post while taking a break like right now. it's good to discuss art and related subjects except when it's beginners focusing on the completely wrong things. when rebelle with this model comes out, you're not going to see a renaissance of digital art. it's not going to make people who couldn't paint before magically paint masterpieces because of the new color model. it's fine to be excited over this but it's not going to majorly change the way anyone works, it's just another tool.

it's like when people get excited for years over an unscanned artbook that will be the key to them finally making it, then it finally gets scanned, everyone disappears and doesn't make it, then they repeat the process on the next artbook that isn't scanned. most people never make it to the slope of enlightenment because they just find something else to think will solve their problems instead of making their own way with what they have or changing their situation in a productive manner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 12:34:49 No.5782394 Report

Quoted By: >>5782422

>>5782375
Why are you still typing? Just draw. Jesus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 12:42:49 No.5782396 Report

Quoted By: >>5782414 >>5782419

>>5778012
Quick brainlet question. If the blue paint in the image is an objects local color and the yellow paint is the color of the light shining on it, is the digital or the traditional mixing closer to the actual outcome of this scenario?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 13:09:13 No.5782414 Report

Quoted By: >>5782423 >>5782452 >>5782493

>>5782396
It will go blue - green - yellow gray with increasing yellow light instensity. You will NEVER get purple. That is pure fiction and the result of incompetent programmers.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 13:14:25 No.5782419 Report

Quoted By: >>5782420 >>5782990 >>5784191 >>5784205

>>5782396

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 13:16:47 No.5782420 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782419
Hey I have the same keyboard and I also haven't cleaned it in months. Nice!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 13:18:54 No.5782422 Report

Quoted By: >>5782429

>>5782394
thanks for losing this argument :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 13:19:15 No.5782423 Report

Quoted By: >>5782436

>>5782414
wtf

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 13:22:21 No.5782429 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782422
you are not drawing :)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 13:34:22 No.5782436 Report

Quoted By: >>5782454 >>5784014 >>5784194

>>5782423
Just color pick shit yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 13:49:58 No.5782452 Report

Quoted By: >>5782455

>>5782414
The rgb colour and alpha compositing models weren’t designed to make painting your gay little pictures easier champ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 13:52:20 No.5782454 Report

Quoted By: >>5782456 >>5782457

>>5782436
You can't just color pick your way through life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 13:52:36 No.5782455 Report

Quoted By: >>5782458

>>5782452
Then fix it instead of releasing broken software.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 13:53:25 No.5782456 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782454
The idea is to learn so you can paint shit that doesn’t exist, not replace the copy paste function.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 13:53:37 No.5782457 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782454
It's to demonstrate the point, are you retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 13:54:26 No.5782458 Report

Quoted By: >>5782461

>>5782455
There’s nothing to fix. You wouldn’t even know what you want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 13:55:58 No.5782461 Report

Quoted By: >>5782464

>>5782458
I want green when I mix yellow and blue not purple.

Now fix it for me, butthurt software dev

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 14:00:49 No.5782464 Report

Quoted By: >>5782469 >>5782497

>>5782461
>blue + yellow = green
Sorry that’s an open research problem, though give me 20 mil, 10 years and the worlds top minds and we might just have a shot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 14:03:27 No.5782469 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782464
>the absolute state

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 14:19:29 No.5782493 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782414
>That is pure fiction and the result of incompetent programmers.
yes, blame the programmers who invented these models back in 1931

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 14:23:53 No.5782497 Report

Quoted By: >>5782501 >>5782503

>>5782464
Here you go:

mix(x, y){
if (x == [255, 255, 0]) and y == [0, 0, 255]){
return [0, 255, 0];
}
}

For a modest fee I'll extend it to work with all shades of yellow and blue. Once the people above have finished their research on where to draw the line between yellow and green.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 14:26:39 No.5782501 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782497
Delete this, you’ll ruin the grant proposal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 14:27:51 No.5782503 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782497
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 14:28:01 No.5782505 Report

Quoted By: >>5782535 >>5782572

>>5778032
>More vibrant colors.
Absolutely false. The digital RGB spectrum is way more vibrant than the "real"-paint CMY one and gives you colors you could never get with the second. Just change blue with cyan and you'll have a more vibrant green than you could ever get with "real" color paints.

>>5778077
>Having your colors not become mud-like when you mix them would be fantastic
See above

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 14:48:39 No.5782535 Report

Quoted By: >>5784063 >>5784318

>>5782505
I'm not talking about flat colors but the hue and saturation shift that happens in the transparent pixels.See pic related. Can't be duplicated with the linear method. You can sort of simulate this by having a curve adjustment layer on top of your painting that pumps up the brightness/contrast but then you run into other problems instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 15:16:50 No.5782572 Report

Quoted By: >>5782637

>>5782505
Does CMY really encompass all available pigments? Or are there ones outside of the CMY gamut?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 15:55:10 No.5782609 Report

Quoted By: >>5782683

>>5778324
it says they have a photoshop plugin.
https://www.escapemotions.com/blog/rebelle-5-photoshop-plugin-time-lapse-recording-and-more
anyone use this?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 16:18:46 No.5782637 Report

Quoted By: >>5782708 >>5782918

>>5782572
No that guy is retarded.
You can get paint pigments outside of the range of any digital color gamut. Digital color gamut is way worse than our eyes. So using that knowledge just think for a second and realise that pigments are just THINGS YOU CAN SEE that are ground down into fine powder. The common pigments we use for painting are the ones that are lightfast and meet the demands specific to painters so sometimes they aren't the absolute limit of what we can actually see and limit our available painting gamut below what our eyes can see.
CMYk is intentionally limited for mass production and cost. Of course it is below digital color gamuts when it only uses three colors. There have been printing methods that use 6 colors or more that greatly increases their available color gamut but they aren't economically viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 17:01:43 No.5782683 Report

Quoted By: >>5782693

>>5782609
That's for the upcoming Rebelle 5. And all it does is making easier to export back and forth between softwares.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 17:11:49 No.5782693 Report

Quoted By: >>5782802 >>5783507

>>5782683
Never heard of Rebelle before anyone here tried it? How does it compare to other painting software? What are the biggest pros and cons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 17:29:39 No.5782708 Report

Quoted By: >>5782709

>>5782637
>There have been printing methods that use 6 colors or more that greatly increases their available color gamut but they aren't economically viable.
The only place I've ever seen commercially available offset CMYKOG was in Japan. For doujinshi of all things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 17:30:29 No.5782709 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782708
further proof that coomers are the future

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 18:45:16 No.5782802 Report

Quoted By: >>5782835

>>5782693
its untouched for watercolor.
now they are moving more toward taking on oil, I have no real opinion in that regard other than its better then painter for me, so take that for what its worth.

if you like watercolor, its an easy buy
if you like oil, look up comparisons between it, art rage, and painter.

if you want digital painting, you got tons of other programs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 18:51:42 No.5782814 Report

Quoted By: >>5784692

>>5779077
If you come from a traditional background, this makes the shit you have to get use to less of an issue because it now behaves like you think it would.

currently to get colors I want I need to use tons of intermediate colors and then blend out, or do value and add color after, this would let me do less work and get a potentially better result.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 19:06:49 No.5782835 Report

Quoted By: >>5783462

>>5782802
How is it in terms of workflow?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 20:36:25 No.5782918 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782637
That makes a lot more sense, thanks!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 21:06:51 No.5782958 Report

Quoted By:

>>5781965
>PALLETE
Do yourself a favour and compare the words palette, palate and pallet in the dictionary

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 21:12:13 No.5782966 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782272
>that's the point when people earlier were saying "just paint" but others were sperging
>lel poot when i talk its "saying", "argumentation", "truth" but when others disagree there "sperging" lel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 21:15:22 No.5782970 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782272
Such a huge paragraph to say nothing. You could be painting in 16-colour corel draw from 1990 and raise the same intellectual defense against the idea of rgb

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 21:16:30 No.5782976 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782305
>lab color space, xyz color space, illuminant d65,
Omg it's jargon dropping time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 21:18:44 No.5782985 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782375
>renaissance
>magically
Stop with the strawmen and go finally draw something

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 21:23:00 No.5782990 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782419
The whole picture has a strong red cast, jävlar

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 21:27:38 No.5783001 Report

Quoted By: >>5783059 >>5783200 >>5783808

I mean... neat, I guess.

The reason painters mix colors is to make a specific color to use. There's no reason why this is needed with you have unlimited paint in a color picker.

This is for people who want to emulate all aspects of painting in digital, but it's not useful to people who just want to create art. Might as well emulate charcoal dust on your palm and smudging up your drawing as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 21:52:52 No.5783059 Report

Quoted By:

>>5783001
It's for people who don't wanna hand pick the color for every single pixel when using any brush more dynamic than hard round

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 23:08:08 No.5783200 Report

Quoted By: >>5783573

>>5783001
It produces arguably more vibrant and beautiful colors. The color mixing aspect is the least interesting part of it. I can only assume you're completely new to digital painting and haven't picked up on the nuances yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 01:23:24 No.5783393 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780418
cringe

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 02:09:05 No.5783462 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782835
there is a relatively good artist you can find by looking up rebelle vs artrage comparison videos, you would get a good idea for an oil based workflow from him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 02:21:38 No.5783481 Report

Quoted By:

>>5779278
I think there is a massive difference between how you paint digitally and how you paint traditionally, I think this will change how many traditional painters paint digitally because this is that massive a shift.

lets put it another way, to mimic a traditional painting digitally, what many people try to do and fail, it takes a fuck load of thought, I could realistically see this being a feature that brings the potential for a digital work flow up to par with traditional without the need to mix every single color themselves and instead follow more traditional tutorials, I can easily see this as a game changer especially for sim painters, as my skill set is still better suited for traditional rather than digital.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 02:27:12 No.5783490 Report

Quoted By: >>5784141

>>5779260
I was never able to transition from traditional to digital with only a screenless tablet. sure I was able to paint and shit, but I was never able to start from scratch. I am able to draw blind for the most part if need be, its a skillset I got rather good at, however the 'make small movements to make large movements' that tablets had me do, I could never get use to it for drawing.

the screen let me draw exactly how I wanted to.

>>5779142
>lets make a system for color that acts exactly how you imagine it would act, not needing to learn how to color pick every single color between blue and yellow, but just mix blue and yellow.

I only see this speeding up art, I can't imagine why anyone would be against it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 02:27:48 No.5783492 Report

Quoted By: >>5783541

This thread made me realise how completely broken color mixing is in *almost all* art programs. What is the best/cheapest program that implements an accurate painting sim?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 02:29:33 No.5783494 Report

Quoted By:

>>5779284
its not even hand eye, I watch people who use non screen tablets 'watch, we just ctrl z till we get the line we want, see, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, ctrl z, and there it was that easy to get the right line, I can't see why anyone would want a screen tablet'

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 02:33:36 No.5783500 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780518
looks like a baby shit green to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 02:35:59 No.5783507 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782693
It lacks of editing tools, so if you are a concept artist or designer, better look for others. You can try the demo version.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 02:36:29 No.5783508 Report

Quoted By:

>>5781459
>I did the bitch work so you do too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 02:43:05 No.5783515 Report

Quoted By: >>5783761 >>5783812

>>5781638
>wasn't worth maintaining
Krita devs are just dumb as shit is the problem. The software is only becoming usable recently after 20 years of development and it still pales to photoshop from 15 years ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 02:56:41 No.5783541 Report

Quoted By: >>5783577

>>5783492
a lot of how you paint is getting colors close enough and then blending the two, its rare you would on canvas mix a green color, so we don't tend to notice the limitations till the limits are hard shown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 03:24:26 No.5783573 Report

Quoted By: >>5784063

>>5783200
It operates in the same color space as the color picker. You're not going to create a color on the canvas that you can't just grab from the color picker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 03:26:23 No.5783577 Report

Quoted By:

>>5783541
What does that have to do with my post?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 03:34:03 No.5783592 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780418
Amen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 04:58:14 No.5783704 Report

Quoted By:

>>5778744
>Boudewijn would probably tell you to do it yourself

It's transphobic to deadname someone

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 05:44:59 No.5783761 Report

Quoted By: >>5783776

>>5783515
You go pay them then

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 05:56:42 No.5783776 Report

Quoted By:

>>5783761
No thanks, im just going to buy software made by non retarded people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 06:36:57 No.5783808 Report

Quoted By:

>>5783001
>being able to blend blue and yellow to make green like in every trad media ever
>"lol woot might as well emulate dipping your ass in gesso and stamping it on plywood while you're at it lol"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 06:42:29 No.5783812 Report

Quoted By: >>5783858

>>5783515
I took one look at Krita's code and deleted it from my computer. Tens of thousands of lines of bloated interface classes to do something that should be ultra tight inline code.

Would never contribute to such a rotten codebase, nor would I expect any features to come out with any ease.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 06:56:03 No.5783824 Report

Quoted By:

>>5778085
they are clearly using colder blues hues
just mix with a warmer blue with yellow and you'll get green

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 07:47:37 No.5783858 Report

Quoted By: >>5785880

>>5783812
>refuses to use something because it has too many interfaces

You better stop using using all modern web services right now, because I have some bad news for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 09:58:16 No.5783993 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780647
Embarrasing effort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 10:20:15 No.5784014 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782436
So, color mixing in digital emulates reflected light?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 11:29:43 No.5784063 Report

Quoted By:

>>5783573
See >>5782535

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 11:56:19 No.5784078 Report

Quoted By:

this is my favourite thread you absolute /beg/s

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 13:12:42 No.5784141 Report

Quoted By: >>5784155 >>5784167 >>5784717

>>5783490
>acts exactly how you imagine it would act
You only imagine it would act like that because you had traditional training.
If you had digital training, the digital mix would be equally intuitive/obvious.

I'm not against the system, I just think it's retarded to think the traditional way is t he correct one and that the digital system must be "fixed".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 13:24:26 No.5784155 Report

Quoted By: >>5784513 >>5784578

>>5784141
If you ever want to paint with a degree of realism you probably would want color to behave like it does in real life. Not everyone wants to do rainbow vomit art where whatever bullshit goes.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 13:25:51 No.5784156 Report

Quoted By: >>5784160 >>5785882

Man, imagine how good y'all would be at this point if you focused all this autism on actual drawing and painting instead of how to mimic irl color mixing in digital lmfao
never change ic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 13:28:28 No.5784160 Report

Quoted By: >>5784172 >>5786488

>>5784156
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST CONSIDER HIGHER QUALITY TOOLS EVERYONE MUST PAINT WITH THEIR FECES LIKE I DO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 13:30:52 No.5784161 Report

Quoted By: >>5784174 >>5784178 >>5785885

Isn't this kinda pointless?
plenty examples of very good digital art without the need to emulate traditional color mixing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 13:34:27 No.5784167 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784141
yes and no, my training in traditional is weak at best, but one of the things I struggled with for a very long time was getting colors to behave the way I want them to, ultimately abandoning ever really mixing colors too far apart and instead picking an intermediary color to not dull what I wanted.

I honestly consider this bitch work, something that if it can be avoided should be, and I think that this pigment based system will be a great step forward in getting paints ot act exactly as I expect them to and not needing to do copious amounts of work to work around the current systems.

cant wait to see its implementation here and get to dick around with it, while I like art rage, I think rebelle feels better to use when painting.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 13:37:30 No.5784172 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784160
i mean, what's the point if you can't utilize this new found knowledge because you draw like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 13:37:52 No.5784174 Report

Quoted By: >>5784237

>>5784161
imagine the work flow and how much faster it could be done if you didnt have to pick every single color and instead mix them on canvas.

especially watercolor, what rebelle is known for, once 5 is out, I dont think I can say 'well painter also has watercolor so if you get that for cheap its probably good enough' anymore, everything will kind of be shit in comparison

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 13:40:34 No.5784178 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784161
And a lot of those artworks would arguably have benefited from being painted with this color model.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 13:54:01 No.5784191 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782419
God that keyboard looks like it's seen better days

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 13:56:12 No.5784194 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782436
Du är ju svensk din lilla horunge

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 14:08:50 No.5784205 Report

Quoted By:

>>5782419
bjässe

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 14:34:40 No.5784237 Report

Quoted By: >>5784239 >>5784255

>>5784174
if you can't paint in trad now then rebelle won't make you any better

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 14:37:05 No.5784239 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784237
>deliberately missing the point in order to bitch into the void

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 14:51:07 No.5784255 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784237
can paint traditionally, granted color shift in drying paint is an issue with acrylic, but water color i am fairly ok with getting the color I want even with mixing on paper.

the major area this will help is using some watercolor techniques, or as mentioned in one of the rebelle videos, you can follow along with irl painting instruction without interpreting for digital, this opens a wide door for painting instruction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 15:07:57 No.5784274 Report

Quoted By: >>5784310

Why do people get so upset about others wanting better digital color mixing? Like this is irrational levels of rage

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 15:38:38 No.5784310 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784274
They probably relied on their art programs being accurate and now that they realized all of their art have a shitload colors wrong, they've entered full denial mode.
>HURR THERE ARE NO CORRECT WAY COLORS WILL BLEND
>MUH ADDITIVE MIXING! MUH CMYK! IT MAY LOOK LIKE YELLOW BUT ITS ACTUALLY GREEN!
>ACKSHULLY IS FEATURE NOT BUG

Honestly speaks a lot about the general level of this board.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 15:45:19 No.5784318 Report

Quoted By: >>5784618

>>5782535
You can also use color dynamics in the brush settings.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 17:27:09 No.5784460 Report

Quoted By: >>5784592 >>5784706

anyone who thinks this isn't a big deal is a massive retard.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 17:58:43 No.5784513 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784155
Real life isn't paint, retard, pigment mixing doesn't have anything to do with capturing real life light refraction. Color mixing is an obstacle you must overcome on either medium in order to achieve realism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:15:10 No.5784553 Report

Quoted By:

>>5778012
Digitalfags stay loosing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:23:04 No.5784578 Report

Quoted By: >>5784600

>>5784155
>you probably would want color to behave like it does in real life
Most of what you see in real life is additive color. Subtractive color is the behavior of liquids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:30:49 No.5784592 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784460
Why paints look so tasty, wtf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:36:10 No.5784600 Report

Quoted By: >>5784609

>>5784578
False. Only light sources are additive colour. All other objects are subtractive

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:42:57 No.5784609 Report

Quoted By: >>5784698

>>5784600
>Only light sources are additive colour
And one of the main concerns of realistic painting is light, including reflected light with color properties.
Simulating paint mixing behavior does not confer realism. I've nothing against this project, it's pretty neat. I only have a problem with your argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:47:30 No.5784618 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784318
It doesn't work for transparent pixels, atleast not in CSP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:57:01 No.5784650 Report

Quoted By: >>5785887

>>5780506
So it's just another example where what is a flaw in nature is portrayed as perfection to humans, and what is perfected by machine is considered soulless by humans. It all make sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 19:07:07 No.5784692 Report

Quoted By: >>5784714 >>5784878

>>5782814
See, I get this, but if that's the problem, why are you forcing yourself to digital? Just fucking stay traditional. Expecting people to pander to you is cancerous. Make your own software or fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 19:08:08 No.5784698 Report

Quoted By: >>5784716

>>5784609
You very rarely paint *light sources*. Most of what is painted termed as "light" is subtractive color. You're coming off as if you've memorised a book on painting without actually understanding how light works first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 19:10:04 No.5784706 Report

Quoted By:

>>5778012
>>5784460
Kinda bothers me that this stuff is only being implement in apps that try to simulate trad. I legit want to use that for pure digital painting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 19:13:25 No.5784714 Report

Quoted By: >>5784727

>>5784692
>t. krita dev

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 19:15:10 No.5784716 Report

Quoted By: >>5784718

>>5784698
Any object lit by light is itself a light source. This is how perception works.You are always painting light.
The only situation where this kind of mixing is preferable is if one wanted to emulate wet-on-wet techniques. As vibrant as it looks, it is not "realistic." There's a reason we let paint dry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 19:15:39 No.5784717 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784141
The state of this thread is no different from "east vs west" xenophobic shit and "2D > 3D" nostalgic shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 19:15:42 No.5784718 Report

Quoted By: >>5784728 >>5784729 >>5784747

>>5784716
>Any object lit by light is itself a light source

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 19:22:57 No.5784727 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784714
Yeah, so far this thread seems to be only able dabbing on this program for some odd reason

I never once used Krita, and couldn't care less what you think, but instead of screaming like monkeys in a zoo, try actually applying yourself by making this so called "better" direction towards better coloring applications.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 19:23:33 No.5784728 Report

Quoted By: >>5784732 >>5785091

>>5784718
That's how it works, brainlet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 19:24:17 No.5784729 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784718
Yikes, American education, everyone...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 19:25:05 No.5784732 Report

Quoted By: >>5784740

>>5784728
You are literally getting 3rd grade knowledge incorrect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 19:28:35 No.5784740 Report

Quoted By: >>5784749

>>5784732
Diffuse reflection, for all practical purposes, is a light source because it emits light from all directions at equal luminance..

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 19:31:43 No.5784747 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784718
You're confusing light emission with light source. Reflected light is a source of light.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 19:34:58 No.5784749 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784740
>equal luminance..
Only on Lambert surfaces, which everyday objects are not.
You really don't have a clue, do you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 20:28:40 No.5784878 Report

Quoted By: >>5784893 >>5785403

>>5784692
because traditional you are looking at paints that can cost upwards 500$ for sub 50ml tubes, canvases that cost as much as you want for how big they can get and you are either doing acrilic which dries in minutes or oil with dries in weeks, possibly watercolor, where paper is now upwards 40$ a sheet for the good shit, and paint is up to 150$ a 20ml tube (granted average is about 15$ for the best, but still)

point is traditional costs a lot, in oils case is dangerous to do at home, and overall a colossal pain in the ass. THAT SAID outside of the negative aspects like time to dry, danger, and cost, traditional shits on digital in almost everything else, with digitals only real benefit being (that isn't an inverse negative for traditional) being that you can easily undo a fuck up. the fact that for the most part, people try to make digital look like a non digital piece of art, screams how little people like digital looking art.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 20:32:44 No.5784893 Report

Quoted By: >>5784952

>>5784878
Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do. If you want real art, you got to make sacrifices.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 20:59:55 No.5784952 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784893
I say learn basic drawing from traditional, learn color from digital, and then learn mixing colors when you know what you want traditional, the cheapest way to do the least amount of waste. but with digital getting pigment mixing via rebelle, probably can skip traditional for color till you are good now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Dec 2021 22:11:34 No.5785091 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784728
Did you regularly eat tubes of lead paint back when you were a child by any chance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 00:37:20 No.5785377 Report

Quoted By:

I pray that they never abandoned like they did Rebelle 4. Last update for that was in May then they went complete silent, same for their support forum. Then 7 months later released Rebelle 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 01:03:24 No.5785403 Report

Quoted By: >>5786259

>>5784878
You can work with nice paints and surfaces without spending that much for trad.
Ideally you are getting paid enough to cover the good materials though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 07:16:24 No.5785880 Report

Quoted By:

>>5783858
You make web services for me like a good boy. I'll focus on video games and graphics software.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 07:18:47 No.5785882 Report

Quoted By: >>5786060

>>5784156
>no stop trying to develop photoshop, just make art with 16 indexed colors

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 07:20:57 No.5785885 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784161
>Isn't this kinda pointless
Lel photoshop kinda POINTLESS
Rebelle pointless
Procreate pointless
Blender kinda pointless
Woot moan *cry* can't we all just agree to make art in corel paint 1990?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 07:26:40 No.5785887 Report

Quoted By:

>>5784650
Go wank in front of your gaming pc then while the rest of us have fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 07:33:55 No.5785891 Report

Quoted By:

>>5780717
Yes. Only skill-less jews are worried about this bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 09:38:39 No.5786056 Report

Quoted By:

>>5778012
Lmao you crabs have graduated from crabbing on artists to crabbing on fucken programmers based as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 09:40:54 No.5786060 Report

Quoted By:

>>5785882
Just because you didn't understand ctrl paints video on color doesn't mean the current digital color method is jank you retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 11:21:25 No.5786188 Report

Quoted By: >>5786262

I feel like everyone who complains about how limited digital color is currently haven't spent more than 50 hours actually painting digitaly

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 12:19:50 No.5786259 Report

Quoted By: >>5786287

>>5785403
this is more a hobby then a revenue stream for me. and yes, you can get by very cheaply, rembrandt and van gough are great watercolor brands and you need 6-8 colors, some things you use a lot you may want a base color.

oil is the same but danger is still there and what you paint on.

acrylic has the problem of drying fast, and i'm not 100% on the long dry time acrylics, never used them, but apparently they are a bit closer to oil in useability before setting.

I have no real opinion on gauche other than its watercolor but opaque, a little more expensive, than water but does not demand the same paper requirements of water.

if I had to choose right now something to stick with, probably acrylics with slow dry mediums, but I would also need a bit more skill to make a 10 minute window count.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 12:21:07 No.5786262 Report

Quoted By: >>5786297

>>5786188
its never about limited, it's about it not functioning how you think it would, forcing you to have to improvise solutions that would be there with traditional, this should alleviate that to a big extent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 12:42:36 No.5786287 Report

Quoted By:

>>5786259
For acrylic you can work on watercolor paper mounted to board or buy premounted paper and then spray water with an atomizer to keep the surface wet for blending.
Plus a wet palette for keeping your paint pools and color mixes wet.
This is how jesper ejsing works in acrylic. Also using more liquid acrylics like liquitex or golden.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 12:47:12 No.5786297 Report

Quoted By: >>5786311

>>5786262
I think it's just a disconnect between people who have worked in traditional painting beyond just the shit you do as a kid in school and then people who learned how to paint solely in digital.
If you learned in digital you don't even know what the problem is.
But 99% of people coming from traditional get used to the differences with digital after like a week so it's not the big of a deal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 12:51:48 No.5786307 Report

Quoted By: >>5786320 >>5786370 >>5786580

>>5778012
>noooo u must only paint with hrb using photoshop cs6
Where are the luddite fags on this board coming from? I've never seen people so critical of innovation as on this board.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 12:54:44 No.5786311 Report

Quoted By:

>>5786297
I constantly see the problem with digital and never liked needing to pick exact colors rather then mix in a bit of this color over here. I think this has massive potential to make digital art have less digital art hallmarks.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 13:04:33 No.5786320 Report

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>>5786307
Just a couple 9f autistic anon, if you want real entertainment don't humor the answer let the tension build for a couple of days.

Being ignored is their kryptonite lmao.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 13:47:05 No.5786370 Report

Quoted By: >>5786488

>>5786307
Critical of innovation that will do fuck all about your abhorrent painting skill lmao

One thing everyone that wants software innovation seem to have in common is that they can't paint anything to save their lives, and atleast to me this need for "le realistic oil paint behavior" or "seventy seven quadrillion seven hundred and seventy seven thousand colors" is like basedaking over drawing tablets having 16000 levels of preasure yet feel exactly the same as an old wacom with 2k.
All this innovation for what? for you to go and play genshin, have a wank and get yelled at by your mom? and do anything other than actually paint?
Just draw man, fuck off

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Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 15:31:35 No.5786488 Report

Quoted By: >>5786508

>>5786370
>>5784160

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Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 15:32:10 No.5786489 Report

Quoted By: >>5786522

This pigment mixing is for Rebelle Pro version.
Standard version $89.99
Pro version $149.99
https://www.escapemotions.com/blog/rebelle-5-the-rollout-of-more-new-features

KEK

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 15:42:50 No.5786508 Report

Quoted By: >>5786621

>>5786488
If it ain't broke don't fix it

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Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 15:59:35 No.5786522 Report

Quoted By: >>5788941

>>5786489
where can i torrent

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 16:49:35 No.5786580 Report

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>>5786307
They're too dumb to understand colour. Just look at the replies of that one guy who thought when objects reflect light they become a light source.
And because they're too dumb to understand colour, they're too dumb to understand the benefits of a better color model and thus dismiss it as useless

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Dec 2021 17:20:59 No.5786621 Report

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>>5786508
>these darn kids with their newfangled painting programs
>Accuracy and ease? More like you're an entitled brat!
>In my time we painted exclusively in 4-bit color pixel by pixel and in freezing temperatures to boot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Dec 2021 20:01:33 No.5788941 Report

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>>5786522
I can't find Rebelle 4, Rebelle 3 is available some places.

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