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Should one absorb everything?

Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 15:02:09 2021 No.5777368 View Reply Original Report

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In other fields such as science or even martial arts I feel like absorbing as much information as you can will serve your best interest.

In art I'm not sure I feel the same way, I looked up a bunch of drawing courses on domestika to get started again and I find all the artists' styles repulsive.
Will one naturally filter out the stuff they do not desire in their art or should one be Cognizant of where they are learning from?

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 15:08:24 No.5777374 Report

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You need tacit knowledge rather than explicit knowledge for art.
Hope this clears up your misconception anon.
Good luck.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 15:18:01 No.5777386 Report

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>>5777374
Okay the fact that it is tacit knowledge means all exposure is good? And one should focus on just spending more time with a pencil and paper?

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 15:28:54 No.5777399 Report

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absorb all of my piss into your asshole

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 19:02:51 No.5777768 Report

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Why would any knowledge be bad? Just as long as you know the purpose of the knowledge you can just use it when you need it right?
Is anyone on this board even capable of, you know, thinking? Using a brain?

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 19:10:00 No.5777775 Report

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>>5777368
A lot of “art teachers” suck. That’s why they make their money from teaching instead of art.
You either need 1 on 1 mentorship with a pro whose work you respect or you’re going to have to figure most stuff out on your own.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Dec 2021 20:40:14 No.5777886 Report

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>>5777368
The same principle was evoked for art too: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/46915/pg46915-images.html

> Chap. XXIX.—A Precept for the Painter.
>
> It reflects no great honour on a painter to be able to execute only one thing well, such as a head, an academy figure, or draperies, animals, landscape, or the like, confining himself to some particular object of study; because there is scarcely a person so void of genius as to fail of success, if he apply earnestly to one branch of study, and practise it continually.

The context was different, but IMHO, that still applies to style and other goodies. Actually, study of style is crucial composition-wise.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 03:27:24 No.5778448 Report

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>>5777886
>still applies
No it does not. No great painter existed who worked in completely different styles at once.
But of course this board being a 4chan one, people probably mean anime or comics as style. Not the style of Perino del Vaga or Pietro da Cortona. Our own modernity presents a problem to the question, as, in the chance that we include older art forms at all, we have a tendency to group them together as one general style, while allowing special categories for modern styles.
If we are to take op's question to the fullest meaning, he would be studying anywhere fom anime, to some hipster art, to ancient art, of all different regions, including as well decorative and applied arts, many of which require full and honest attention for years to truly understand, requiring obscure supplemental reading, and years of training the hand to do particular strokes using rare materials. It is not even possible. There were artists who studied some motifs to add to their paintings but that is for the sake of completing a vision that was already formed.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 03:37:25 No.5778464 Report

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>>5777368
>domestika
tranny shit no one should ever get near

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 07:29:49 No.5778704 Report

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>>5777368
Absorbing everything takes too long, one of the disadvantages of self-learning, its all trial, error, and filtering. Art is too broad, finding out specifically what you want is the key, reduces a lot of time and confusion. Online art courses suck because all they can teach are the basics, western resources are especially gung ho on the learns fundamentals train.

Compare to music or sports, are you really gonna learn all the different types of sports when you wanna play basketball specifically? or play all the different instruments when you wanna play the guitar? Its absurd, sure they have some fundamentals and principle that carry over between sports and instruments but it can only take you so far.

Absolute best bet to learn is under a mentorship, someone that is specifically doing what you want to achieve, someone that will teach you absolutely everything to the craft, no figuring stuff by yourself bullshit, no detours in the learning process, no time wasted. Only time you need to figure something out is when you have learnt everything from your mentor and will surpass their skill and craft.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 09:07:40 No.5778765 Report

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>>5778704
honestly i just want to express the images in my mind on a blank piece of paper or a canvas. I got inspired by David Choe to start again and would like to pick a few things from his art style but it feels so advanced.

Therefore i asked this question because like you said the western learning resources seem to be heavily skewed to things like 'learn how to draw animals' etc

I want to take the next step properly when it comes to drawing from my mind and not from memory.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 12:41:14 No.5778888 Report

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>>5777368
To be honest I did a lot of art courses on domestika and really enjoyed it

But I had the same problem as you, most of the styles were shit, but when you take an online course, or just gather information, you should try to lea4n from it not imitate what theyre saying like a cookbook.

There was a course of a guy explaining how to paint comic book characters with acrylics (pic related). I hate capeshit stuff, but his paint work is legit, and the course explains his tips and tricks on how to do it, you just need to apply it to your work and style.

Try to see if that artist does something that you want to achieve and see if the video course actually talks about that, then apply it. Do not care about the style of the professor

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 14:34:58 No.5778964 Report

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>>5777368
If you're going to post Bruce Lee quotes, you should be familiar with his philosophy.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 14:47:52 No.5778976 Report

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>>5778448
At once, like within the same painting? I would agree, as pulling it off elegantly is difficult.

Yet, over the course of multiple painting it's not because it did not exists that the principles don't apply to it.

In that sense too, I would furthermore argue that people like Rembrandt, through their use of different mediums/subjects and over the course of their careers did exhibit the use of different style.

E.g., a Rembrandt quick sketch ink landscapes bears no ressemblance is style to his portraits.

Of course, it highly depends on one's definition of "style": figure drawing with sanguine and white on toned paper with "crude" rendering is typical of Renaissance drawings, which can be considered a style. Yet, e.g. Michelangelo's approach differed from Da Vinci: we could say that both had a different style within that main style.

My main point was that the process of stylisation, any kind of stylisation, can be rationally analyzed through the rules of composition. Thus, the study of styles *is* a great way to apply/study composition.

This is especially true for indeed anime, but also for modern (~realisitc) oil painters' styles for instance.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 05:04:47 No.5780098 Report

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>>5778976
At once meaning juggling different styles for different paintings within a given period of an artist's career or working on completely different styles for different works at the same time. Most famous artists have been very constant in the character of their works or have gradual shifts in their art but still close in stylistic range.
Rembrandt's ink landscapes and portraits in oil look different not as a result of having absorbed different styles which is the topic of this thread, but because of the nature of the materials and purpose. Most artists already have one process for short hand and another for finished works. We can sometimes even trace the progression from sketch to finished work. Of the similarities which the difference in medium permit, we can still see they are made by the same kind of artist with the same view of art.
If we are to apply the Leonardo quote it would be that it is honorable for an artist to be able to "excecute" different various styles which is not something that is true for any great artist.
Leonardo wrote at different times that a student should learn from as few artists and also that an artist should learn from as many. But keep in mind, as you know, their conception of different styles is necessarily not the same as ours who have acess to much more. Even in that time when artistic style was relatively close in range, they still many times saw value in limiting artistic influences.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 15:00:46 No.5780735 Report

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>>5780098
>a student should learn from as few artists and also that an artist should learn from as many.
>they still many times saw value in limiting artistic influences
Indeed, I think this makes a lot of sense: a student isn't able to properly integrate/assimilate the teachings of experienced artist; it's likely to confuse him and the resulting "art" will be chaotic.

On the other hand, an already established artists will be able to harmoniously cherry-pick from other established artists, and manage to create something harmonious.

> Rembrandt's ink landscapes and portraits in oil look different not as a result of having absorbed different styles which is the topic of this thread
Fair enough; I tend to always push abstraction to far when interpreting people

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