I'm fucking tired of you fags endlessly bitchin' about "muh subjectivity" when defending literal shit in a can (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist's_Shit), or making shitty arguments in favour of "objectivity".
The distinction between them is more wonky than people realize in the first place. But the "objectivity" side generally has better ground to stand on, even if they're not always the best at arguments.
tl;dr: quality of art exists and can be determined the same way as qualities of other things. Subjectivity vs objectivity is a stealthy way of suggesting some metaphysical bullshit is real as opposed to just flesh and blood humans and reality. Quality is not one dimensional. Quality and preference are different things and can coexist.
Anyway, first things first: quality (excellence) vs quality (trait, characteristic), what's the difference? None, they're the same thing, and its good they use the same word in english. Being good at something stems directly from the traits that object possesses. It's "goodness" IS the traits. A hammer is good at nailing nails because of its handle and heavy flat head. It's handle and heavy flat head ARE its goodness at nailing. You can't take those qualities (traits) away and keep the quality (excellence, usefulness) of being good at nailing nails. Those things aren't even connected, they are *the same thing*.
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The distinction between them is more wonky than people realize in the first place. But the "objectivity" side generally has better ground to stand on, even if they're not always the best at arguments.
tl;dr: quality of art exists and can be determined the same way as qualities of other things. Subjectivity vs objectivity is a stealthy way of suggesting some metaphysical bullshit is real as opposed to just flesh and blood humans and reality. Quality is not one dimensional. Quality and preference are different things and can coexist.
Anyway, first things first: quality (excellence) vs quality (trait, characteristic), what's the difference? None, they're the same thing, and its good they use the same word in english. Being good at something stems directly from the traits that object possesses. It's "goodness" IS the traits. A hammer is good at nailing nails because of its handle and heavy flat head. It's handle and heavy flat head ARE its goodness at nailing. You can't take those qualities (traits) away and keep the quality (excellence, usefulness) of being good at nailing nails. Those things aren't even connected, they are *the same thing*.
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