>>4165822I know this isn't exactly the same as UBI, but in Germany there's social support of unemployed people, which has no time limit (Hartz IV it's called). So you get a fixed amount of money every month plus the state pays for every expense that is considered minimal basic needs (which actually covers a lot of shit).
Turns out, they most certainly do not spend whatever money they have on beautiful things, but instead they spend it on bad food, tobacco and alcohol. The program created this new class of long-time unemployed people, i.e. people who completely refuse to work, often for generations, and waste away their lives doing absolutely nothing.
Those of course aren't 100% of them, but I think there is just a personality type of people, highly avoidant and inherently lazy, that will exhibit only the worst characteristics when exposed to a UBI. In a culture that requires work to survive, they are forced to step out of it, in a culture that does not, they lose all drives but hedonistic desires.They definitely do exist and it's not pretty.
>It's a huge leap of faith to make for many people, because it flies in the face of indoctrinated beliefs than most human beings are inherently bad people who actually desire to be bad people. Personally, I believe that most people inherently desire to be good people, whether or not they have the means to be.The words "bad" and "good" aren't exactly useful in this context, because they require some objective to mean anything. This is a question of meaning and purpose for people, and it turns out that for many people that meaning comes from working and sustaining themselves and their families. If you take that away from them, they most certainly wither in depression, agoraphobia and whatnot. I see where your attitude comes from, most people who are attracted by ideas such as UBI simply do not belong to this group of people and by nature don't know anyone like that. Thus it's easy to assume they don't exist.
