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Anonymous Fri 08 Feb 21:49:36 2019 No.10369853 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>10369946 >>10370644 >>10370669 >>10370755 >>10372084 >>10372126 >>10372149 >>10372176 >>10372184

Prove you're not a p-zombie.
>protip: you can't

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Feb 2019 21:54:34 No.10369863 Report

Quoted By: >>10369864 >>10372471

Here's my best description of what it's like to experience
There is a 3-dimensional cardioid shape that I am inside, with the "point" coming directly out from behind me so that the surface can fan out and completely envelop me
I experience and see the inside of the shape. The hard part of my intelligence, my physical brain's analog computation, is interfaced to me through the point that meets my head

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Anonymous Fri 08 Feb 2019 21:55:05 No.10369864 Report

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>>10369863
Forgot pic

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Anonymous Fri 08 Feb 2019 22:33:19 No.10369946 Report

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>>10369853
I don’t need to, but you do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 03:09:00 No.10370644 Report

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>>10369853
>I can't

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 03:22:16 No.10370669 Report

Quoted By: >>10370713

>>10369853
That’s easy. P-zombies are simply impossible unless you assume there’s some kind of zombie master that controls them, and that defeats the point of the hypothetical. P-zombies make no sense to anyone that isn’t already a dualist.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 03:48:19 No.10370713 Report

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>>10370669
Why are they impossible?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 03:52:59 No.10370728 Report

Quoted By: >>10370746 >>10371994 >>10372170

>>10370713
Making a human with a brain that actually works will, by definition, make something aware of its surroundings. Go to school.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 03:58:56 No.10370746 Report

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>>10370728
>Making a human with a brain that actually works will, by definition, make something aware of its surroundings.
Statement
>>10370728
>Go to school.
Not an argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 04:00:20 No.10370748 Report

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>>10370746
>Statement

And? Not an argument.

>Not an argument

Not an argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 04:03:11 No.10370752 Report

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I can only see them existing if the world is a virtual reality created for the one or few actual conscious humans.
Otherwise if the world is real or at least consistent then any thing in the world whose structure is identical to a human's must be human.
A p zombie would have a structurally different Brain from a normal human.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 04:04:43 No.10370755 Report

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>>10369853
OP I know I'm a p zombie, there's no way I could be conscious

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 17:00:11 No.10371994 Report

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>>10370728
Jesus, materialists are fucking dumb

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 17:41:54 No.10372084 Report

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>>10369853
given that torture has been succesfully used to get information, does this prove that at least some people are not p-zombies?
if something isnt capable of suffering, why would it give in to torture?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 17:59:32 No.10372126 Report

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>>10369853
p-zombie is impossible therefore I'm not a p-zombie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 18:08:51 No.10372148 Report

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>>10372084
AAaand everything since worms is capable of suffering, idealists btfo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 18:09:54 No.10372149 Report

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>>10369853
Do dreams qualify?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 18:19:37 No.10372170 Report

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>>10370728
>by definition
Can you elaborate on that?

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Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 18:23:27 No.10372176 Report

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>>10369853
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7DmA3yWwa6AT5jFXt/zombies-redacted

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 18:27:01 No.10372184 Report

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>>10369853
Prove "p-zombie" is a meaningful label.
Prove the alleged "subjective experience" concept isn't just a sloppy abstraction of behavior and beliefs about behavior and has any more reality to it than other useful yet fictional abstractions like the eye of a storm or your center of gravity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 18:30:06 No.10372190 Report

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philosophy was a mistake

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Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 20:30:30 No.10372466 Report

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>>10372176
>Chalmers asserts that everything he says is independent of consciousness.
Faggot Tertullian is back, everybody take cover!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Feb 2019 20:32:07 No.10372471 Report

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>>10369863
Retard, this makes me even more convinced you are a p-zombie lol

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