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Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 20:59:50 2018 No.10151148 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>10151186 >>10151298 >>10151393 >>10152046 >>10152174 >>10154407

Zero-hat has now been rigorously defined as the first step in my dance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:01:34 No.10151159 Report

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Yo fuck off you stole my idea of superzero. You'll be hearing from my lawyers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:10:55 No.10151186 Report

Quoted By: >>10151197

>>10151148
So what is 5/hat(0)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:15:51 No.10151197 Report

Quoted By: >>10151209 >>10151995

>>10151186
it’s just 5 divided by zero-hat; as defined

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:19:04 No.10151209 Report

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>>10151197
So does that have any other representation or is it also null?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:19:08 No.10151210 Report

Quoted By: >>10151213 >>10151230

Still fails at basic proofs.

You never defined nor proved what 0hat/0hat is but assumed it was 1 in your proof.

This "proof" also works with 0 and is one of the reasons dividing by 0 is undefined.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:20:23 No.10151213 Report

Quoted By: >>10151214 >>10151228 >>10151239

>>10151210
No, but 0 is different from hat(0) because the fat tells you to break math before caring about the 0 so that you can prove Jon is retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:21:31 No.10151214 Report

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>>10151213
this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:25:46 No.10151228 Report

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>>10151213
Still waiting for him to smite me down...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:25:54 No.10151230 Report

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>>10151210
the joke

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your head

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:28:09 No.10151239 Report

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>>10151213
Yeah but only "the world's greatest physicist" and the "world's greatest mathematician" can introduce new notation to do things (renormaluzation and limits) improperly that we already have proper ways to handle

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:39:54 No.10151278 Report

Quoted By: >>10151279 >>10151286

You can't just give zero-hat the properties which define zero and then say it is not equal to zero

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:40:50 No.10151279 Report

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>>10151278
He just did
>checkmate

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:43:44 No.10151286 Report

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>>10151278
He also does this with infinity and uses a lot of words to say "I'm not going to care about your counter examples and reasons I'm wrong"

He also had his post closed from admin onstackexchange. Didn't know that actually happens until Jon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:48:09 No.10151298 Report

Quoted By: >>10151299 >>10151301 >>10151312 >>10151499

>>10151148
I can't wait until The Lord aka El Arcón gets unbanned and kicks your fucking ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:49:00 No.10151299 Report

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>>10151298
He still incessantly posts. I really wish he would just be permabanned

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:49:49 No.10151301 Report

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>>10151298
Give him time, after posting here this long he's probably running out of McDonald's that aren't waiting out a 30-day ban on their free wi-fi

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:54:35 No.10151312 Report

Quoted By: >>10151323 >>10151501

>>10151298
Based on what he posts, dude is delusional and sounds like he's gonna shoot up his work one day to get back at the people who don't go along with his delusions. I think that's maybe why his latest thread got taken down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 21:59:13 No.10151323 Report

Quoted By: >>10151335

>>10151312
Hello newfriend, Jonathan Tooker is unemployed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 22:04:09 No.10151335 Report

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>>10151323
Where had he been employed? Did he do any work after he was "expelled" for not paying tuition?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 22:37:31 No.10151393 Report

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>>10151148
how is "zero hat" different than "zero". I'm genuinely curious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 22:42:11 No.10151404 Report

Quoted By: >>10151440

>>10151393
Jon would say that you don't compute the 0 until you check all other hat(0) that could cancel. Honestly just a shitty way of ignoring math until you can cancel things to find something new. Obviously, as previously stated, and you should find more examples of your own, it is ill-defined and a poor definition. Take that advice with all things from Jon (The Lord, El Archon, or basically any other named post because he's so narcissistic he can't help from doing it).

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Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 22:47:19 No.10151414 Report

Quoted By: >>10151422 >>10151448

posting this, was sort of my inspiration

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 22:49:19 No.10151422 Report

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>>10151414
In addition to losing closure inder addition, multiplying a "number in the neighborhood of infinity" by two also doesn't respect the ordering of "real numbers"

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Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 22:55:33 No.10151440 Report

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>>10151404
yep, pic related from his masterwork

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 22:57:37 No.10151448 Report

Quoted By: >>10151492

>>10151414
I bet this was written by a freshman newfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 23:21:00 No.10151492 Report

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>>10151448
Like 100% of Jon's work. Have to keep your audience in mind

El Arcón

El Arcón Sun 18 Nov 2018 23:21:42 No.10151494 Report

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>>10151228
sooner than it was yesterday

El Arcón

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El Arcón Sun 18 Nov 2018 23:23:17 No.10151499 Report

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>>10151298

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El Arcón Sun 18 Nov 2018 23:24:28 No.10151501 Report

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>>10151312
>he's gonna shoot up his work one day
I've been 100% unemployed for about two years

El Arcón

El Arcón Sun 18 Nov 2018 23:26:27 No.10151504 Report

Quoted By: >>10151513

>>10151422
I think it does. Any positive number multiplied by two results in a larger number.

El Arcón

El Arcón Sun 18 Nov 2018 23:27:38 No.10151508 Report

Quoted By: >>10151511

>>10151440
I should change this to say that x_n is monotonic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 23:28:58 No.10151511 Report

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>>10151508
you should change it to remove infinity hat. did you read OP's "paper"?

El Arcón

El Arcón Sun 18 Nov 2018 23:29:06 No.10151513 Report

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>>10151504
wait... this wrong. Interesting. It results in a smaller number.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 23:39:19 No.10151534 Report

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>>10151494
From you, still infinitely far away, which is beyond the reals, and never gets measurably closer

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 04:47:31 No.10151987 Report

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bump since i think jon's still online and still dodging replying to OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 04:53:00 No.10151995 Report

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>>10151197
Your number system isn't closed under division?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 04:54:46 No.10151997 Report

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>>10151995
closure is for plebs

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Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 04:56:08 No.10152000 Report

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I was taught in school that that meant it was just incorrect and that A: That I did it incorrectly or B:The equation was set up wrong or in a way that was illogical.

El Arcón

El Arcón Mon 19 Nov 2018 05:23:25 No.10152046 Report

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>>10151148
pic suggests to me that division by zero should be undefined

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El Arcón Mon 19 Nov 2018 05:24:28 No.10152048 Report

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>>10152046
pic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 05:24:55 No.10152049 Report

Quoted By: >>10152059

>>10152046
yes, zero-hat is ill-defined and likewise so is infinity-hat. time to retract your articles

El Arcón

El Arcón Mon 19 Nov 2018 05:32:53 No.10152059 Report

Quoted By: >>10152062

>>10152049
I didn't propose to divide by zero, I left that undefined and by so doing I invoked no contradiction to make my definitions mostly useless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 05:35:09 No.10152062 Report

Quoted By: >>10152073

>>10152059
but 0 != 0-hat is basically equivalent to infinity != infinity-hat

they both break math. anything you derive from there on out is bound to be full of inconsistencies and therefore useless/wrong

El Arcón

El Arcón Mon 19 Nov 2018 05:43:18 No.10152073 Report

Quoted By: >>10152078 >>10152079 >>10152197

>>10152062
Infinity is equal to infinity-hat. I did not make it a distinct number, I let the hat be a constraint on the the freedom to do the algebraic operations in a certain order. Even when infinity has absorption, you have freedom noy to absorb in many instances

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 05:44:45 No.10152078 Report

Quoted By: >>10152079 >>10152106

>>10152073
If the result depends on whether you choose to exercise a freedom, then there isn't a unique result.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 05:46:15 No.10152079 Report

Quoted By: >>10152106

>>10152078
yes
>>10152073
i did the same thing with zero-hat. and you see where that leads. to 1=2 which is equivalent to anything=anything else
you can't make it work

El Arcón

El Arcón Mon 19 Nov 2018 05:58:10 No.10152106 Report

Quoted By: >>10152114 >>10152118

>>10152078
>>10152079
no this is wrong. Consider the number which is equal to three plus four. I don't have to add these numbers together but they uniquely sum to seven.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 06:02:50 No.10152114 Report

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>>10152106
not if 1=2
then 3+4=(1+2)+4=(2+2)=8

look up the principle of explosion

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 06:04:27 No.10152118 Report

Quoted By: >>10152120

>>10152106
not if 1=2
then 3+4=(1+2)+4=(2+2)+4=8

look up the principle of explosion

El Arcón

El Arcón Mon 19 Nov 2018 06:05:10 No.10152120 Report

Quoted By: >>10152123

>>10152118
but 1 != 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 06:07:11 No.10152123 Report

Quoted By: >>10152127

>>10152120
not if you believe in hats. zero-hat clearly proves it and infinity-hat implicitly proves it; therefore both lead to contradictions

El Arcón

El Arcón Mon 19 Nov 2018 06:09:19 No.10152127 Report

Quoted By: >>10152132 >>10152134

>>10152123
No, only his set of definitions lead to the contradiction 1=2. You can't get that from my definitions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 06:12:04 No.10152132 Report

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>>10152127
yes you can. no matter how hard you change your definitions, infinity-hat being non- additively-absorptive leads to contradictions. and therefore the principle of explosion.

i can't keep track of your latest definition, since you shifted it to "let's make it dependent on some freedom in the order of operations" instead of a fallacious limit definition, and that made it even worse (_much_ worse, since now there are infintely many places for you to hide your contradiction)

it doesn't work. infinity-hat = infinity and moving your order of operations doesn't help; it just hides contradictions. you lose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 06:12:58 No.10152134 Report

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>>10152127
You do violate the ordering of real numbers with your multiplication rules. You can multiply a positive number by two and get a smaller number. At the very least, you'll have to abandon any result that relies on the ordering of real numbers being respected.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 06:13:50 No.10152135 Report

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terry is what happens when a smart person falls into schizophrenia
tooker is what happens when a dumb person is likewise afflicted

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 06:15:08 No.10152140 Report

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The Archimedean property has been around for more than 2000 years. Why have you thrown it away?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 06:31:40 No.10152167 Report

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>>10151499
Based Jon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 06:34:27 No.10152174 Report

Quoted By: >>10152188

>>10151148
as a physicist, my first question is, what evidence have you found for zero-hat in reality?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 06:39:49 No.10152188 Report

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>>10152174
good troll, but anyhow OP meant it ironically as an example of the kinds of fallacies Jon T. is basing his "proofs" on

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 06:45:53 No.10152197 Report

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>>10152073
Consider this

$\widehat{\infty} - b = \infty - b = \infty = \widehat{\infty}$

Then $\widehat{\infty}$ is additively absorptive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Nov 2018 02:06:35 No.10153730 Report

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bump, jon should be back any minute now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Nov 2018 07:33:13 No.10154233 Report

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Jon don’t leave us hanging

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Nov 2018 09:43:05 No.10154407 Report

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>>10151148
heteroticity can't hold. what does 0 + hat(0) yield?
0 = 0 + hat(0) = hat(0) + 0 = hat(0)

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