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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 02:09:30 2018 No.10146656 View Reply Original Report

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Is there any evidence that IQ differences between races is not due to a mix of nutrition, fluoride intake, iodine levels and culture?

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:09:48 No.10146660 Report

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>>10146656

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:11:58 No.10146665 Report

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>>10146660
>race and iq debunked
>the study does show that there seems to be a racial element to iq

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:12:22 No.10146668 Report

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>>10146656
I think that lead, fluoride, nutrition, iodine and culture certainly play a part. I often wonder what someone like Pythagoras or the fellows who wrote the Plimpton 322 tablet would get on a modern IQ test because I think it would be deeply telling.

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:13:54 No.10146677 Report

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>>10146665
Can't you read properly?

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:18:13 No.10146689 Report

Quoted By: >>10146697

>>10146677
I can read your infographic which sets out to debunk race and iq conceding there is a link between race and iq.

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:20:17 No.10146697 Report

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>>10146689
It says the study appears to show there is a link as there were differences in IQ. But the study is flawed which is why the results aren't as clear as they seem.

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:26:59 No.10146709 Report

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>>10146697
https://archive.fo/YRHuH
This gives the average tested IQ for Africans at 75. Is this study valid or is all this data untrue as well?

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:31:07 No.10146716 Report

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>>10146709
The average IQ for Africa according to the pic is 80 which is to be expected at their social and economical development. 75 is slightly off, but I would question the authors of that study coming up with an average for Africa considering Africa is the most genetically diverse population of humans. Would need full study

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:38:46 No.10146728 Report

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>>10146716
>mean africa iq including other studies extrapolated at 75
If there is no racial element to IQ why are Africans consistently scoring so low? Why has the Flynn Effect not happened in South Africa, or any other part of Africa for that matter?

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:39:58 No.10146730 Report

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>>10146716
>which is to be expected
why are they at that level of development? Also, why are African Americans in a first world nation a full SD below Whites?

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:40:45 No.10146731 Report

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>>10146728
"Data from rural Kenya during two large studies in Embu, Kenya, in 1984 and 1998 yielded a gain of about 0.748 SD or 11.22 IQ points, or 24 points over 30 years. This gain is still higher
than what has been observed in industrialized nations. The increase on the Verbal Meaning Test, though smaller in magnitude, suggests the changes go beyond fluid intelligence."

The Flynn Effect in Rural Kenyan Children

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:40:59 No.10146733 Report

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>>10146728
the Flynn Effect isn't real

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:42:18 No.10146736 Report

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>>10146730
Probably environmental and social reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyferth_study

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:43:14 No.10146738 Report

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>REEEEEEE I JUST WANT AN EXCUSE TO BE RACIST!
everyday

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:43:20 No.10146739 Report

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>>10146733
List of examples here >>10146660

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:44:54 No.10146742 Report

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>>10146738
No one cares anon. Noticing one group of people are below average mentally isn't racism it's pattern recognition. Something you literally evolved to be able to do.

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:46:36 No.10146746 Report

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>>10146742
>isn't racism it's pattern recognition
Yeah I hear this all the time from anons who no doubt have a 'nigger hate thread' open in another tab

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:48:09 No.10146748 Report

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>>10146739
You don't know anything about what you're talking about, the Flynn effect is not real, it only measures iq scores not g, g has been falling in most developed countries on Earth for over 100 years, there has been no increase in global iq.
>>10146746
You never answered my question, why are Blacks consistently developmentally behind other, younger races like Eurasians?

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:48:11 No.10146749 Report

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>>10146731
>the hypotheses that resonate best with our findings are those related to parents' literacy
Further proof of the heritability of IQ

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:49:14 No.10146753 Report

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>>10146746
I'm sure your headcanon fantasy keeps you going anon. It must be hard to deliberately try to ignore mountains of evidence that hurt your feelings.

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:49:39 No.10146754 Report

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>>10146748
The studies are weighted to account for this
>>10146749
Nobody argued that IQ is not heritable lol

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:52:27 No.10146758 Report

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>>10146754
>the studies are weighted to account for this
for what? the fact that gains in iq have little to do with gains in genotypic g factor?

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:53:51 No.10146759 Report

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>>10146754
why would you lie to me point blank? iq studies aren't weighted to account for decreasing g at all, that doesn't even make any fucking sense.

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:56:15 No.10146763 Report

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>>10146754
>Nobody argued that IQ is not heritable lol
Actually that is a pretty common argument. However in relation to that study trying to place the increase in IQ on the Flynn Effect seems misguided at best when the authors of the study themselves admit the parents literacy was the reason for their childrens ability. lol.

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 04:15:10 No.10146914 Report

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>>10146656
>>10146660
>Chimpanzees are only dumb because they're poor, we just need to send the chimps to good schools and they'll be just as smart

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 04:30:45 No.10146943 Report

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>>10146656
>thinking that genetics and environment are mutually exclusive
>thinking that studies on race and IQ having flaws and environmental factors influencing IQ means that all races magically have identical genotypic IQs

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??????? ???????? Sat 17 Nov 2018 14:20:15 No.10147789 Report

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>>10146748
>why are Blacks consistently developmentally behind other, younger races like Eurasians?
How do you define "Black" and how do you define "Eurasians"? Do you include my people(Cushites) and Nilo-Saharans in the "Black" group? Also, if by Eurasian you basically mean white, then you should that what we traditionally consider "Black"(Niger-Congo) is not older than "Eurasians". This is an assumption that is based on the fact that we came from Africa.

According to Peter Frost, from UNZ :
>It is often assumed that black Africans, out of all human populations, most closely resemble our common ancestral state. After all, is not Africa the cradle of humanity? And did not modern humans spread ‘out of Africa’ some 50,000 or so years ago?
>Indeed, we are all offspring of Africa. What is less true is the assumption that evolution stood still there while continuing elsewhere. Yes, some African groups do approximate ancestral Homo sapiens in their mode of subsistence, family structure, and physical appearance. These are the Khoisan and pygmy peoples. They still live by hunting and gathering, are overwhelmingly monogamous, and have light-brown skin and gracile.
>There have arisen new populations who differ as much from ancestral Homo sapiens as do Europeans and Asians. These are the ‘true’ black Africans.
>On the basis of genetic and archaeological data, black Africans seem to have radiated from a relatively small West African and possibly pygmy population within the last 20,000 years (Coon, 1962, pp. 651-656; Spurdle et al., 1994; Watson et al., 1996). The time and place of origin can be further narrowed down with linguistic data. Speakers of proto-Niger-Congo broke up c. 10,000 BP and the oldest derived group appear to be proto-Mande speakers, whose descendants inhabit the Niger’s headwaters near the Mali-Guinea border (Blench, 1984, pp. 128-129; Ehret, 1984; Murdock, 1959, pp. 44, 64-68).

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 14:32:51 No.10147809 Report

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>>10146656
Testing these things for a controlled enviorment is so hard you could do better by arguing through postmodernism.

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Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 14:38:25 No.10147819 Report

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>>10146759
They are automatically weighed as their are valued on the population as a mean.

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