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Anonymous Thu 13 Jun 21:38:05 2019 No.3970874 View Reply Original Report

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Is it true that people don’t give a fuck about environmental concept art?

I’ve been looking on twitter and it seems like the only time environmental art gets even a tiny bit of viewership is when the artist sticks some anime girl into the picture

Compare the OP picture to

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jun 2019 21:40:06 No.3970878 Report

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>>3970874

Do you want likes or do you want a job faggot

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jun 2019 21:40:12 No.3970880 Report

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>>3970874
This picture, which got nearly 8 times the likes as the picture of just a landscape with no people in it.

I just want to design cities and environments, but it looks like it’s going to be impossible to create any sort of following

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jun 2019 21:41:19 No.3970883 Report

Quoted By: >>3970906 >>3977784 >>3978186

>>3970878
Social Media popularity is a pretty good metric for how likely you are to be employed afaik

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jun 2019 22:00:17 No.3970906 Report

Quoted By: >>3970918 >>3971010

>>3970883
Wtf? NO reputable company in the entertainment industry uses social media as any kind of measurement for hiring. They care whether or not you can produce someone else's ideas quickly.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jun 2019 22:10:13 No.3970917 Report

Quoted By: >>3970955

>>3970880
To be honest I find the composition and use of colors/contrast in this image much more interesting than in >>3970874. I don’t really care for anime girls but I guess this one helps by providing a focal point and grabbing my attention by making me wonder why the fuck she’s standing on some flimsy bridge between two buildings(Maybe the artist just thought it looked cool).

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jun 2019 22:10:44 No.3970918 Report

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>>3970906
NGMI

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jun 2019 22:11:07 No.3970919 Report

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If you present environment art to anyone who isnt also an environment artist you have to stick characters into it or they wont feel any emotional context and wont care.
Social media or portfolio art or showing internal work to a supervisor on a show = stick some characters in or they will feel something is missing and the character designer guy who does scribbles on napkins will get all the attention.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jun 2019 22:35:28 No.3970949 Report

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>>3970874
social media is bad for art

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jun 2019 22:37:55 No.3970955 Report

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>>3970917
>anon judges the quality of a piece based on contrast because his brain has turned into mush from looking at art as thumbnails

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jun 2019 23:28:22 No.3971010 Report

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>>3970906
Social media isn’t everything obviously but how is the employer going to FIND YOU in the first place if you don’t have a substantial presence online?

You can’t tell me a person with 10 followers is going to have the same visibility to companies as the person with 100,000 followers.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jun 2019 23:50:22 No.3971026 Report

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>>3970874
>>3970880
>I’ve been looking on twitter
there's your problem. twitter only matters if you're a porn artist. if you want a job, email art directors and stop wasting time on social media

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 00:18:35 No.3971044 Report

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>>3971010
You apply via their websites? gamedevmap has most of them listed. Or you sign up with agencies like datascope, amiqus, opm or any other and they forward your information and contact you via email semi regularly with updates on some positions before they're posted elsewhere on websites like artstation. This is also true for jobs in animation, be it background art or tween related work.
When companies ARE looking they typically using websites like linkedin and what they're doing at that point is more akin to poaching people who are already in positions than actually scouting new talent.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 00:26:23 No.3971051 Report

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>>3971010
>hey let's look for environmental concept artist
>oh this artist who draw only animu girl has lot of like on socialsiteX better hire him for this job

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 00:27:35 No.3971053 Report

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>>3970874
Do you like video games and movies with beautiful landscapes and environments? Every one does.

What the fuck do you think is the answer

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 00:56:42 No.3971078 Report

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>>3971010
>how is the employer going to FIND YOU in the first place if you don’t have a substantial presence online?
You dumb fucking idiot. Jesus christ.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 01:12:27 No.3971094 Report

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>>3971010
lmao have you even ever had a job
99% of the time YOU apply to them

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 15:29:26 No.3971767 Report

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>>3971010
This is what happens when your entire understanding of the world of professional art comes from /ic/

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 15:33:21 No.3971776 Report

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>>3971010
>You can’t tell me a person with 10 followers is going to have the same visibility to companies as the person with 100,000 followers.
I've seen many random art directors with sub 200 followers on instagram / twitter. The only social media site that matters to get a job is ArtStation.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 17:22:21 No.3971905 Report

Quoted By: >>3971934 >>3974296

>>3971776
Not really. Art directors use twitter all the time these days to scout new talent. Hardly anyone uses Artstation anymore other than the chinese and the eastern european photobash crowd.

It's only natural that most art directors focus on social media considering virtually every professional artist nowadays uses twitter or IG so it's simply the easiest way to connect with them. I feel like a lot of people ITT are trying to cope by pretending social media doesn't matter, when it is the single most reliable and easy way to get noticed and land jobs in the industry these days. If you have even a moderate level of popularity and are somewhat regularly retweeted by professionals, then literally all you have to do is be active and wait for art directors to message you without ever having to apply for a job yourself.

I mean, obviously if you are a highly competent and skilled artist, you can easily land jobs the old fashioned way as well by applying for them, but let's be real here, how many highly skilled artists do you actually think there are who have zero social media presence? The number is probably in the 1-2%, mostly old, veteran artists who never bothered to adapt because they have an established clientbase they can always rely on.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 17:25:23 No.3971910 Report

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>>3970880
normies like pictures that have a bit of a story in them.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 17:38:14 No.3971934 Report

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>>3971905
How long a list of artists do you want? Want to go through every games studio on gamedevmap in a country of your choice and find 2d/concept/3d artists at those studios to see just how few use twitter as a means to market?
And to speak to the number of artists, how many active concept artists do you think there are, in general? Take England as an example, average sized studios like Ninja Theory, Rare, Playground, Splash Damage and Creative Assembly all have around 5 concept artists, give or take. I could find you most of the profiles in less than 10mins and I doubt more than 10% are even remotely active on twitter.
Artstation is still shilled positively during GDC portfolio talks, not that I put much stock in those as thats also a very small range of studios compared to how many there are in total. Your scope is too fucking limited and your understanding of how companies hire lacks understanding of the reality of the situation.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 17:49:36 No.3971943 Report

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>>3971934
I understand very well how companies hire and I'm not saying popularity on social media is a necessity, by any means. I'm saying it's a huge advantage and if you disagree with that you are either in denial or flat out stupid.

I just don't see the reason why you would voluntarely cripple your job prospects by not trying to gain visibility on social media unless you already have a client base and don't need it. Seems to me that it's a case of sour grapes and you just want to convince yourself that it doesn't matter because you don't have said visibility and don't feel confident that you will ever achieve it.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 17:56:32 No.3971951 Report

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>>3971934
By the way, how many concept artists do you think applied for those ~5 positions per studio and got turned away? That's my main point here. You will be one of thousands of applicants competing for 5-10 positions per studio.
Meanwhile the popular artist, (provided he is of similar skill level as the applicants) gets approached by the art director and bypasses the competition entirely.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 18:15:36 No.3971968 Report

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>>3971951
If you want to go the route of applying vs successful It makes it easier for me to discount social media and instead point to internships and or networking/nepotism being what results in hiring. You could argue that attending events like EGX or getting an internship are in some ways synonymous with social media and I wouldn't entirely disagree though. I'm not arguing against using the platforms available to you I'm saying that for the majority of studios it's irrelevant. Prior to social media it was websites like polycount that people would regard as a place to be known on yet the Art Director of Lionhead never used it nor did the Lead Artist in charge of interviewing at Travelers Tales - both relatively large studios, so any good or bad will on one of the main gameart websites at the time accounted for nothing. *Yes, pointless anecdotal evidence with absolutely no proof.
Art directors aren't all these incredible beings constantly on the hunt for new art, scouring the web for up and coming or popular artists, what the fuck do you think these people do in their free time? The majority of studios currently use Jobvite or Workable and the hiring process is in someway outsourced with wordfiltering applied to resumes. Or people get hired through existing ties to the studio, with some exceptions. How many artist profiles do you want me to use to support this?
You talk of how many got turned away to these limited positions and say how popular artists get approached, so put your money where your mouth is and i'll double it with unknowns with little to no social media prescence.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 21:51:22 No.3972251 Report

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>>3970874
>Compare the OP picture to
to...?

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 22:03:22 No.3972272 Report

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>>3970955
not that guy, but composition number two is obviously more appealing from a graphical and spatial point of view, number one is actually very flat but not in an appealing way.

Number one also seems to have conflicting focal points, pinging back and forth from the windmill and the bigger castle, although you could say there is sort of a triangular interaction between those two and the little character it doesnt seem very succesful.

The massing of the values as a black and white graphical pattern is also not very interestingly designed.

Its detailed and looks finished, but this does not save the fact that the image was poorly designed and composed from the beginning.

(and no im not into anime, i think the anime design on the girl in image no 2. is boring, but overall mood and read is good)

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 22:12:43 No.3972280 Report

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>>3971910
...Everyone does. You're not the "muh above the sleeping mass patrician" for liking storytelling in art.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2019 22:17:44 No.3972286 Report

Quoted By: >>3977118

>>3970880
It's the same rule in photography. Landscapes are boring as fuck, a figure is an interesting contextual focal point. There can be good landscapes, figurative scenes are generally more appealing. Most people fail to capture a good landscape. Architecture has the same problem, you need people for scale and narrative.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2019 07:28:56 No.3974230 Report

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>>3970880
You faggot, you know nothing about composition. Of course nobody is interested in a landscape with some dullish colors here and there. There's no story being told. I can just look at a photograph and be on my way instead. The picture you posted is way more interesting because it has a human figure, something EVERYONE relates too. It creates a mini-story and makes you wonder why that person is there. You can create landscapes and have figures in them to make it more interesting. Regular, old boring landscapes is not interesting. Shocker -- people want to see other people.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2019 09:44:47 No.3974296 Report

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>>3971905
>how many highly skilled artists do you actually think there are who have zero social media presence?
Some of my favorite artists have a blogspot with the newest post made in 2013.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2019 10:08:25 No.3974310 Report

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test

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2019 13:28:16 No.3974548 Report

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>>3971951
I will say being in this position sure as hell beats spending almost 2 months of your life going through the meat grinder of art tests, interviews, and flying halfway across the world only to not get the job at the end of it.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2019 13:32:14 No.3974549 Report

Quoted By: >>3975196 >>3977233

One quick glance at the front page of Artstation will change your mind.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2019 20:41:19 No.3975196 Report

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>>3974549
LITERALLY an anime girl in the centre of the pic

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jun 2019 20:44:01 No.3975204 Report

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>>3970874
environment artists get more jobs since its less popular than characters.Hell i prefer designing characters but i still have to do environment work because its highly demanded

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 07:52:24 No.3975847 Report

Quoted By: >>3975854 >>3975935

The problem is unironically women.

Women don’t enjoy art if they don’t see a girl in it to self insert as.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 07:57:51 No.3975854 Report

Quoted By: >>3975856

>>3975847
The main demographics of art boards are not women except certain sectors of DeviantArt. most industry artists are male.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 07:59:49 No.3975856 Report

Quoted By: >>3975859

>>3975854
Audience not creators dumb fuck

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 08:02:55 No.3975859 Report

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>>3975856
Yeah both audiences and creators in the art industry are male, except tumblr which was mainly female till the collapse and is now mainly nothing. Women don't even care for environmental art regardless of the contents, they prefer character art, witness Tumblr.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 09:41:08 No.3975935 Report

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>>3975847
unironically retard

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2019 03:23:00 No.3977118 Report

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>>3972286
What a brainlet take

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2019 06:29:55 No.3977233 Report

Quoted By: >>3977443 >>3977476 >>3983263

>>3974549
>japanese fetishism
>ghibli clone
>anime girl

its so generic it hurts

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2019 11:59:42 No.3977443 Report

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>>3977233
>Ling Xiang Xiao
>Japanese

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2019 12:08:21 No.3977447 Report

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>>3970874

>living after 2009
generic boring shit like the OP pic isn't going to turn a head besides maybe your gran and other wannabe 'concept artists' who have no taste besides scale contrast and muh fundies

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2019 12:19:36 No.3977449 Report

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>>3977447
Post what you like then

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2019 12:44:16 No.3977476 Report

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>>3977233

How is that tiny thing an "anime girl" its literally just a figure.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2019 13:20:38 No.3977498 Report

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>>3970874
Normies can't relate to generic fantasy/sci-fi structure scene.
Draw a messy room filled with relatable stuff. It's an environment normies can relate to.
I am sure you can get both a following and jobs by drawing every day environments that has charm.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2019 13:21:05 No.3977499 Report

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>>3970874
not sure that's the best example. top pic is a pretty generic fantasy castle.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2019 14:54:47 No.3977576 Report

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OP You're comparing apples to oranges. These two pieces serve different purposes and thus can only be compared subjectively.

>>3970874
Mainstream audiences don't really "get" the whole high-fantasy/epic castle/environment aesthetic. If you want to sell fantasy you need to do it through compelling character pieces.
Additionally, the composition suffers from an eye-straining level of "where's the subject?" — Dappling light through clouds over a large vista is cool but secondary subjects are left in shadow and get lost in the large blocks of the composition. Am I supposed to look at the front of the castle? What's happening there? It's bright but there's no subject.

>>3970880
The composition of the piece leads the eye to the subject from both value extremes: Light leading vertically and a thick, dark center line horizontally. Now the subject isn't particularly interesting to me, and the scaling of the environment with the character is completely off and dull — Sure the Eastern urban aesthetics help appeal to fucking weeaboos, but honestly this is a more successful piece simply because it's easier to read at a glance: And with social media sometimes that's all you get to make an impression.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2019 18:29:56 No.3977784 Report

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>>3970883
Literally no enviro artist is a social media fag. 90% of the ones i follow are artstation only (proffessionals ofc)

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2019 18:30:58 No.3977785 Report

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>>3971010
Apply????
Aetstation???
Wtf kys ngmi

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Jun 2019 00:33:56 No.3978186 Report

Quoted By: >>3978190

>>3970883
Wayne Barlowe has 10k followers on insta

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jun 2019 00:36:13 No.3978190 Report

Quoted By: >>3978224

>>3978186
>Random tech illiterate boomer has a low insta following
Woooooowwww

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jun 2019 00:58:19 No.3978224 Report

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>>3978190
Ok he's old. I'm searching random art directors from studios off the top of my head without thinking. This is not loaded by any means, just choosing random things and looking up crew.
Laika - Alice Bird. Not on social media.
Dreamworks - Kung Fu Panda art director / director Alessandro Carloni, 867 followers on Twitter
Art director and director for other KFP movies Jennifer Yuh Nelson is not on social media.
Bioshock - Art Director Scott Sinclair, not on social media
Warframe - could only find one of the art directors, Ron Davey. 539 followers on Twitter
Spyro remake - Art Director Chris Ruh. Has a portfolio site, no social media.
Overwatch - Senior Art Director at Blizzard William Petras, a whopping 1351 followers
I think it's enough

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jun 2019 03:47:40 No.3978411 Report

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Not true I like it a lot and prefer over characters

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jun 2019 13:01:42 No.3978880 Report

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The artstation shills in this thread

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jun 2019 11:39:00 No.3980263 Report

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>>3970874

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Anonymous Thu 20 Jun 2019 12:02:42 No.3980295 Report

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How does one go about learning how to draw and paint stuff like that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Jun 2019 12:36:59 No.3980337 Report

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>>3970874
>>3970880
Normalfags thrive on other being around other people for survival, it's /g/-bro-science I seen on youtube, so it's obvious they care more about drawings of humans, especially of girls, than of other stuff. If having 100 IQ means you're average then imagine that almost half of the planet is under the 100 IQ. The half that uses social media the most, in the first place.

My fingers are bleeding from typing, now. I typed the truth for you, OP.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 01:32:38 No.3982568 Report

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>>3980263
Obtuse as fuck

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 16:11:05 No.3983263 Report

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>>3977233
is this bait

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jun 2019 07:55:23 No.3985418 Report

Quoted By: >>3986348

>>3970874
Landscapes are boring and you should feel bad for liking them.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jun 2019 00:28:15 No.3986348 Report

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>>3985418
so is your life

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