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Charging for your work

Anonymous Mon 27 Aug 20:19:45 2018 No.3581685 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>3581708 >>3581713 >>3581721 >>3582766 >>3582808

Listen, I see all these kids. Charging basically pennies for pieces. What's the deal with that?

Base line should be like 22-26 an hour coming out of school; you gotta pay rent right?

I recently scored a full time gig that pays $40 an hour an hour.

Don't under sell yourself, it hurts everyone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Aug 2018 20:36:59 No.3581708 Report

Quoted By: >>3581720 >>3582799

>>3581685
>What's the deal with that?
It's easy to not worry as much about cash when you know you're not paying bills. Kids just do things on their free time and use it as pocket money.

>Don't under sell yourself, it hurts everyone.
Ok, no. Fuck doing anything for anyone other than you. You're not responsible for whether other artists get to eat or not. People should charge what works for them, and if it's petty cash for good art, sucks to be everyone else. Most of the time people at a good level will have realistic incentives to charge more, so it's unlikely that they can sustain themselves/control the demand for long charging little.

What most people wanting to regulate rates forget is that people live in different parts of the globe and what would feed you a meal in NY would buy a guy groceries for the week in Thailand; why would that guy charge more when he can make a fortune by charging less than you, taking your clients and live like a king there?

No one cares that you can't live as an artist in the first world.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 27 Aug 2018 20:39:54 No.3581713 Report

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>>3581685
>Base line should be like 22-26 an hour coming out of school

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Aug 2018 20:52:14 No.3581720 Report

Quoted By: >>3581739 >>3581745 >>3582483

>>3581708
It's the principal.
Don't do that.
I have straight up overcharged.
Gotta eat man. You could do the same

>>3581713
yeah. A production house payed that 8 years ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Aug 2018 20:52:35 No.3581721 Report

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>>3581685
Your prices should be a reflection on how much business you get and much others value your time and work.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Aug 2018 21:16:04 No.3581739 Report

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>>3581720
>A production house payed that 8 years ago.
>someone paid someone a bunch at one point so they should pay me that much too
just because you can think of recallable examples of something doesn't necessarily mean it's "baseline."

And just because it's what something "should" be doesn't mean it is.

And just because high paying jobs exist doesn't mean you're gonna be the one getting one of them. There are more indebted dickhead NEETS with expensive art school receipts than any other time in history. Plus the west is imploding and labor laws are just getting shittier and everything is getting more exploitative and aggressive. Corporatism won.
>Don't under sell yourself, it hurts everyone.
Don't over value yourself. You deserve nothing, your diploma was a scam, and nobody cares about how things "should" be anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Aug 2018 21:20:51 No.3581745 Report

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>>3581720
>principle
Nigga, fuck a principle. Principles won't give the third worlders the edge on people who are local to most clients.

If they want convenience, they can hire people close, which is expensive because they have a similar standard of living.
If they want cheap, they'll hire people who can afford to do it for less.

It's that simple. I charge a lot now, but I would have never, in a million years, have established myself if I was going in with my current rates because I lived oceans away from everything and everyone that mattered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Aug 2018 21:23:55 No.3581748 Report

Quoted By: >>3581752

Art is ALWAYS a luxury item, which means charging less than luxury prices makes you a fucking mark.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Aug 2018 21:26:02 No.3581752 Report

Quoted By: >>3581755 >>3581772 >>3581791 >>3582817

>>3581748
Does that mean most pro artists are living comfortably?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Aug 2018 21:26:52 No.3581755 Report

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>>3581752
The leads at riot are making like 120,000
that's pretty fucking comfortable.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Aug 2018 21:39:54 No.3581772 Report

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>>3581752
>>3581755
That's still not *MOST pro artists. That's A FEW RECALLABLE pro artists. It's fun with availability heuristics and stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Aug 2018 21:42:44 No.3581777 Report

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>>3581755
How comfortable is that compared to being an engineer, programmer or IT?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Aug 2018 21:51:18 No.3581787 Report

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>>3581777
dependent, you can talk turkey and manage to convince people to pay your more.

>>3581772
Same with vicarious visions from what I have heard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Aug 2018 21:52:38 No.3581791 Report

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>>3581752

Yes.

https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes271013.htm

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 28 Aug 2018 02:38:43 No.3582064 Report

Quoted By: >>3582449 >>3582452 >>3582766

People will pay money for anything nowadays if they think its mildly interesting... I made this last summer with 3$ worth of crayons and 4$ worth of canvas when I was first starting out making stuff and a coworker paid 50$ for it. I spent 5 minutes on this. Art is a joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Aug 2018 11:33:26 No.3582449 Report

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>>3582064
it's about as relevant to the discussion as saying that your mom gave you money for a sketch

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Aug 2018 11:38:39 No.3582452 Report

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>>3582064
that coworker wants to fuck you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Aug 2018 12:22:48 No.3582483 Report

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>>3581720
Don't hate the player. Hate the game. I don't give a fuck if you get to eat or not. Hustle nigga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Aug 2018 17:50:54 No.3582766 Report

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>>3581685
a lot of 3rd world poorfags are doing freelance as well. If they see other people charging low, they're gonna think either "oh, so this is the normal price level" or charge lower.

I'm from 3rd world as well, but have no plans of undercharging.

>>3582064
jesus

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Aug 2018 18:14:44 No.3582799 Report

Quoted By: >>3582851

>>3581708
how_to_destroy_a_market.txt

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Aug 2018 18:21:38 No.3582808 Report

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>>3581685
nah dawg you gotta charge 30-50 per drawing, are you insane? Better artist will take your spot easily

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Aug 2018 18:31:21 No.3582817 Report

Quoted By: >>3582941

>>3581755
>>3581752

looking at cali fags and montreal fags, not really. You're not an art director or some shit, tone it down bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Aug 2018 18:58:42 No.3582851 Report

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>>3582799
Yes, your market, whitey. Ours is flourishing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Aug 2018 20:32:10 No.3582941 Report

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>>3582817
I make 80k. I am ok...
stop being a little girl.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Aug 2018 20:55:56 No.3582968 Report

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the secret is not selling anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Aug 2018 22:36:51 No.3583102 Report

Quoted By: >>3583139

>>3581772
I don't dislike you or anything but can you stop using avatars every time you post. It's a bit obnoxious.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Aug 2018 23:04:21 No.3583139 Report

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>>3583102
> It's a bit obnoxious.
I know right

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Aug 2018 23:08:20 No.3583146 Report

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>>3583139
Cringe

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